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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:03 PM Dec 2015

FBI Chief Is WILD CARD For Clinton

FBI Director James Comey is the pivotal figure in the 2016 presidential race that no one is talking about. Comey, a Republican appointed by President Obama who enjoys a stellar reputation on both sides of the aisle, is investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server as secretary of State. Clinton is the overwhelming favorite to win the Democratic presidential nomination next year and is expected to be a tough candidate for any Republican to face in 2016. Yet the controversy surrounding her private email account remains an Achilles’ heel. The GOP-created House Benghazi Committee flopped in October when Clinton testified for 11 hours. That hearing failed to produce anything newsworthy about her use of a private server and attracted criticism from liberals and conservatives alike. Its failure makes it clear that the FBI will have the final say on whether Clinton did anything wrong or illegal. And whatever the verdict is, both parties will have to accept it because Comey is, in many ways, untouchable.

~snip~

It’s the moment that made Comey’s reputation and underlines why Republicans and Democrats expect he’ll call the Clinton email investigation as he sees it, no matter the political stakes. “My folks don’t give a rip about politics,” the 6-foot-8-inch Comey said earlier this year. “We’re competent, we’re independent and we’re honest.” Comey donated to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in his 2008 run for the White House and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in his 2012 bid for the GOP nomination, but Obama still reportedly considered asking him to serve on the Supreme Court before tapping him for the FBI instead. Since then, Comey has broken with Obama on a host of issues.

~snip~

In 2004, Comey was a major player in investigating the mishandling of classified information by former President Bill Clinton’s national security adviser, Sandy Berger. “We take issues of classified information very, very seriously,” Comey told reporters at the time. “It’s our lifeblood, those secrets.” It’s unclear what exactly the FBI is reviewing regarding Hillary Clinton’s emails or when the agency will release its findings. Comey has only said he is briefed regularly and following the case closely. The FBI and Clinton campaign declined to comment for this column. There have been a number of leaks to the press on the FBI’s probe, such as in September when the agency reportedly uncovered emails from Clinton’s private server that were thought to have been deleted. After Obama said this fall that he didn’t think Clinton’s email system posed a national security problem, The New York Times reported that FBI agents were “angered” that the commander in chief would comment on an ongoing investigation. The White House walked back Obama’s comments.

~snip~

Some political observers believe that should the FBI find something incriminating against Clinton, the Democratic Party would seek out another standard-bearer such as Vice President Biden, former Vice President Al Gore or Secretary of State John Kerry. Many establishment Democrats don’t believe Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) would be a viable nominee in the general election. But such a move wouldn’t be easy. In a recent white paper published by the Brookings Institution, Elaine Kamarck and Ashley Gabriele point out that in order to secure the Democratic nomination, the winning candidate must be on ballots. They wrote, “A candidate who is not on a primary ballot can’t win delegates from that state — pure and simple. ... The candidate who has missed filing deadlines through the end of January has potentially forfeited 2,232 delegates, the number to win the Democratic nomination!”



cont'

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261582-fbi-chief-is-wild-card-for-clinton

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"...These bylaws mean.. Segami Dec 2015 #1
Talk about a roll of the dice... HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #2
Nobody here knows Segami Dec 2015 #4
I am more interested if she gets nominated and then they jwirr Dec 2015 #11
Now that would definitely be disastrous.... Segami Dec 2015 #14
That would be a disaster. jwirr Dec 2015 #15
It's up to the AG whether to convene a Grand Jury to indict her. leveymg Dec 2015 #42
WTF?! Obama considered a REPUBLICAN for the Supreme Court?! CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #3
Just remember this every time someone says "Vote Democratic because of SCOTUS!!!" (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #6
Oh, I will. I couldn't forget this if I tried. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #8
He kept Bush's defense secretary too, for a couple of years. arcane1 Dec 2015 #7
That Rick Warren move was a big WTF moment for me... Segami Dec 2015 #9
He disillusioned me from the get go with Rick Warren. CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #12
Further evidence that "Democrat" and "Progressive" aren't the same word. arcane1 Dec 2015 #13
It was the Rick Warren that made me say WTF and then came RAHM the Great. LiberalArkie Dec 2015 #31
So much for Merry Supreme Court and Happy President Cruz, eh? merrily Dec 2015 #32
I have googled and there is nothing at all about him doing this dsc Dec 2015 #39
According to the audio on that link Jarqui Dec 2015 #5
That isn't true. We have no way of knowing when the FBI will bring charges. askew Dec 2015 #16
"it should also" is not definite -it's a statement of probability meaning it probably will come true Jarqui Dec 2015 #23
I think that the FBI is also looking into the corrected tax jwirr Dec 2015 #10
There is also an ongoing IG investigation and the Senate investigation. askew Dec 2015 #17
Who does't occasionally make the mistake of writing 0.00 rather than $10,000,000.00? merrily Dec 2015 #34
Blame it on carpal tunnel.... Segami Dec 2015 #37
Do they not have an accountant prepare their taxes? merrily Dec 2015 #38
What I read is that they were using some really small firm jwirr Dec 2015 #46
LOL and it was over at least 4 years. jwirr Dec 2015 #45
Threads like this and the familiar names really make me question the motives of some "supporters" Metric System Dec 2015 #18
Never about the candidates, always about the supporters. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #30
how do you feel about the information in the article? grasswire Dec 2015 #44
So it'll be up to a Republican to recommend indictment of our likely candidate. pa28 Dec 2015 #19
FBI doesn't charge hill2016 Dec 2015 #20
Well she has done nothing illegal MaggieD Dec 2015 #22
I'm thinking Obama may have input as well. There is no way he wants a repug in the White House. Laser102 Dec 2015 #35
More fake smears MaggieD Dec 2015 #21
"The White House walked back Obama’s comments." Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #24
I would hope the FBI would make a determination sooner than later. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #25
Don't get yourself too excited over this. hrmjustin Dec 2015 #26
Not this RW wet dream again. JoePhilly Dec 2015 #27
I don't see anyone in the Obama administration going after Hillary. jalan48 Dec 2015 #28
But did go after John Edwards while his family was in mourning! merrily Dec 2015 #36
Comey is Untouchable!!! Bwahahahaha!!! rpannier Dec 2015 #29
New world order ejbr Dec 2015 #33
If anything was to come of the FBI investigation Karma13612 Dec 2015 #40
Bush’s warrantless domestic spying efforts were temporarily suspended after then-acting Attorney in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #41
what the hell is THIS about?? grasswire Dec 2015 #43
 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
1. "...These bylaws mean..
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:14 PM
Dec 2015
"...that Democrats will likely go into the general election with Clinton as their nominee. But what the FBI concludes will have a major impact on her chances to become the nation’s 45th president...."



 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
4. Nobody here knows
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:26 PM
Dec 2015

what this FBI investigation will uncover, where it will lead and WHO (if any) will be charged.


What will happen to Hillary's support?


jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. I am more interested if she gets nominated and then they
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

find something. Has that ever happened in a presidential race before and does that mean that the Rs automatically win?

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
42. It's up to the AG whether to convene a Grand Jury to indict her.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:32 PM
Dec 2015

If Comey wants to give up his appointment as FBI Director and come out publicly in favor of indictment, he is free to enjoy retirement. Other than some shocking triumph of principle, I think this is going to go the way of the similar matter of former CIA Director John Deutch who plugged his laptop containing classified materials into the web to view adult video. The Office of Information Security referred the matter to the FBI, and Attorney General Reno sat on the matter until the last day of the Clinton Presidency, when Bill pardoned Deutch.

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
3. WTF?! Obama considered a REPUBLICAN for the Supreme Court?!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015

Given so many of his horrible cabinet picks, this shouldn't surprise me, but isn't the Supreme Court the #1 reason given for why we should vote no matter what?

So much for that. Can't even count on a Democrat to consider only Democrats.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
7. He kept Bush's defense secretary too, for a couple of years.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:34 PM
Dec 2015

And of course there was the choice of Rick Warren for the inaugural prayer.

Now go eat your peas!

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
12. He disillusioned me from the get go with Rick Warren.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:41 PM
Dec 2015

But I guess I thought there were depths even he wouldn't stoop to, like considering a Republican for the Supreme Court. I should have known better.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
13. Further evidence that "Democrat" and "Progressive" aren't the same word.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:45 PM
Dec 2015

Something to remember when the "He/she's not really a Democrat" crowd speaks.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
32. So much for Merry Supreme Court and Happy President Cruz, eh?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:00 PM
Dec 2015

Cass Sunstein or a Republican. Either way....

Meanwhile, two out of the three most liberal Justices on the SCOTUS ever were nominated by Eisenhower and Ford. Breyer and Kagan, meh.

dsc

(52,160 posts)
39. I have googled and there is nothing at all about him doing this
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:14 PM
Dec 2015

no reports at all. It wasn't mentioned on Comey's Wiki, it wasn't mentioned in the NYT report of his being named director of the FBI. Nothing at all. BTW it should be noted that Brennan, Warren, and Blackman were all Republicans and fine justices.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
5. According to the audio on that link
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:29 PM
Dec 2015

8,000 pages were released yesterday. 2/3rd have now been releases. Two more batches at the end of December and end of January are to come.

So we'll have time to deal with anything controversial long before the primary is over from the email releases.

Also with that timing, given they will have established they've got through all the emails, if the FBI is going to do anything, it should also take place long before the primary is over.

Didn't want the other shoe to drop in the general election ...

askew

(1,464 posts)
16. That isn't true. We have no way of knowing when the FBI will bring charges.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:53 PM
Dec 2015

It could be in the general election.

There is also an active IG investigation and a Senate investigation which we don't know when they will be resolved.

There are also multiple ongoing lawsuits with emails from her staffers and State Dept that will be released throughout 2016 and could be released in general election.

That's not to mention the fact that if the FBI manages to recover her deleted emails, they could turn them over to State and we could see those emails released as well.

As of right now, we only have Hillary's word that the emails she deleted were personal. Unfortunately, that has already been proven false as the Benghazi Committee and the WH released emails between Hillary and others that were not turned over to State.

It is a huge mistake to nominate a candidate with these issues hanging over their head. We have 2 better candidates to choose from who are not scandal plagued.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
23. "it should also" is not definite -it's a statement of probability meaning it probably will come true
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:28 PM
Dec 2015

Given what charges would do to her candidacy/the democratic process for elections and the country, with them through the emails by the end of January, the FBI are very unlikely to wait until the general election is underway to charge her. They're already been through two thirds of her emails. There's no need to wait if they found criminal wrong doing. They can always add to the charges later. (Something like that would probably leak anyway)

FOIA's for Donald Trump (samples - not a complete list)
http://images.politico.com/global/2015/07/17/ab21_faa_trump_foia_1_1.pdf
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/donald-trump-fbi-communications-19706/
http://time.com/money/4010695/trump-university-scam-donald-trump/

Other candidates have potential email problems
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/07/jeb-bush-scott-walker-hillary-clinton-private-emails

Someone FOIA fishing for Rubio documents
http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1507/ML15079A108.pdf

Crux, Bush, Rubio & Clinton February FOIAs
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/chief-foia-weekly-reports-%20march-2015.pdf

Didn't find any FOIAs on Bernie but that doesn't mean they're not out there.

The point of the above is they're all under some scrutiny. I'd concede with all of Hillary's emails out there, she's probably guaranteed some trouble - maybe not from the FBI or from the government investigations - but maybe, simply from from the GOP using the emails to infer bad things - the email gives their video some credible basis to spin BS from. They have tens of thousands to pick from. And therefore, Hillary is a higher risk. And I'd also concede with all of them, that the best time to nuke them with bad news is when they're in the general. But I do not see the FBI doing that. Could see the Senate investigation trying for that.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. I think that the FBI is also looking into the corrected tax
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:36 PM
Dec 2015

forms from the Foundation. The Clinton's said it was a mistake but there are some real questions around why it took them so long to correct the forms. Oops it was the IRS that are looking into the corrected forms.

askew

(1,464 posts)
17. There is also an ongoing IG investigation and the Senate investigation.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 04:55 PM
Dec 2015

The Senate investigation is looking into who is paying the legal bills for Hillary's server companies and her ex-IT staffer. If any of that money came out of her campaign, it is going to get ugly fast.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
38. Do they not have an accountant prepare their taxes?
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:09 PM
Dec 2015

The bigger issue, though, is whether donors got favored status from State or any other government agency as a result of the donations. (I hope they don't look only at State.)

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
46. What I read is that they were using some really small firm
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 10:34 PM
Dec 2015

from Arkansas and after the error was made they had to go to another accountant firm. No doubt they are correct now but why was this kind of correction needed.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
18. Threads like this and the familiar names really make me question the motives of some "supporters"
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:02 PM
Dec 2015

of Bernie Sanders. It's as if some of you are hiding under that umbrella. Note: This is NOT about the majority of Sanders supporters, but rather a select few.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
19. So it'll be up to a Republican to recommend indictment of our likely candidate.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:34 PM
Dec 2015

Nothing could possibly go wrong there . . .

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
22. Well she has done nothing illegal
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:58 PM
Dec 2015

So to me this sounds like Bernie supporters in desperation. It's their only hope, it appears. They will be sadly disappointed.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
21. More fake smears
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 05:57 PM
Dec 2015

Whatever.

I only have one question - is Bernie such as bad choice that he can't win without all the fake smears? I know that is true of the GOP, but why from the Bernie crowd, who all think he is awesome?

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
24. "The White House walked back Obama’s comments."
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:36 PM
Dec 2015

Not even the President can intervene in an investigation by the FBI.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
25. I would hope the FBI would make a determination sooner than later.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:39 PM
Dec 2015

A last minute bombshell would be devastating to the party.

jalan48

(13,862 posts)
28. I don't see anyone in the Obama administration going after Hillary.
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:52 PM
Dec 2015

If there happens to be damaging information the investigation will be put off until after the election. Obama declined, along with Pelosi to go after Bush and Cheney on war crimes and that really was a big deal.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
36. But did go after John Edwards while his family was in mourning!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

For getting money from a doting billionairess whose financial advisors knew exactly what it was for. Meanwhile, McCain was allowed just to write out a check to the FEC. Unreal

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
29. Comey is Untouchable!!! Bwahahahaha!!!
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 06:53 PM
Dec 2015

The writer has not been paying attention to Republicans over the past decade.
No one is untouchable to their spinmeisters and teahadists

They'll claim he's not a real conservative, that he's compromised or that he has been paid off

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
40. If anything was to come of the FBI investigation
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:24 PM
Dec 2015

and it happened during the primary season, I guess it is business as usual with Hillary doing the right thing (dropping out of the race).

If she is the nominee, and if anything is unearthed, then wouldn't it mean the nomination has to go to the next candidate? I dare say it better not go to Hillary's VP unless it is either Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.

Interesting question.


Sigh

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
41. Bush’s warrantless domestic spying efforts were temporarily suspended after then-acting Attorney
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 07:26 PM
Dec 2015

General James Comey refused to sign on to an extension of the program “amid concerns about its legality and oversight.”

Remember that? I DO! Comey had to race Gonzales and Card to Ashcroft's hospital bed to inform him of how ILLEGAL the Domestic Spying program was. He beat Gonzales there and Ashcroft refused to sign off on it - thanks to Comey.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/15/12881/comey-silence/


In his testimony today, Comey spoke for the first time about:

— The high-speed pursuit that took place when Comey learned that Card and Gonzales were on their way to see Ashcroft at the hospital;

— The hospital meeting, in which the seriously ill Ashcroft “stunned” Comey by lifting “his head off the pillow and in very strong terms” rejecting Card and Gonzales’ effort to have him reauthorize the spying program;

— Comey’s admission that he believed he had “witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man, who did not have the powers of the attorney general because they had been transferred to me”;

— Andrew Card’s subsequent “very upset” call to Comey, in which Card claimed that he and Gonzales had visited Ashcroft “just…to wish him well”;

— The White House’s eventual agreement to suspend the warrantless spying in the face of a threat of mass resignations, including from FBI Director Robert Mueller and Attorney General Ashcroft

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
43. what the hell is THIS about??
Tue Dec 1, 2015, 08:21 PM
Dec 2015

"Some political observers believe that should the FBI find something incriminating against Clinton, the Democratic Party would seek out another standard-bearer such as Vice President Biden, former Vice President Al Gore or Secretary of State John Kerry. Many establishment Democrats don’t believe Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) would be a viable nominee in the general election."

This is an outrageous statement. OUTRAGEOUS. Insider stupidity.

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