2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFBI Chief Is WILD CARD For Clinton
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Its the moment that made Comeys reputation and underlines why Republicans and Democrats expect hell call the Clinton email investigation as he sees it, no matter the political stakes. My folks dont give a rip about politics, the 6-foot-8-inch Comey said earlier this year. Were competent, were independent and were honest. Comey donated to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in his 2008 run for the White House and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in his 2012 bid for the GOP nomination, but Obama still reportedly considered asking him to serve on the Supreme Court before tapping him for the FBI instead. Since then, Comey has broken with Obama on a host of issues.
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In 2004, Comey was a major player in investigating the mishandling of classified information by former President Bill Clintons national security adviser, Sandy Berger. We take issues of classified information very, very seriously, Comey told reporters at the time. Its our lifeblood, those secrets. Its unclear what exactly the FBI is reviewing regarding Hillary Clintons emails or when the agency will release its findings. Comey has only said he is briefed regularly and following the case closely. The FBI and Clinton campaign declined to comment for this column. There have been a number of leaks to the press on the FBIs probe, such as in September when the agency reportedly uncovered emails from Clintons private server that were thought to have been deleted. After Obama said this fall that he didnt think Clintons email system posed a national security problem, The New York Times reported that FBI agents were angered that the commander in chief would comment on an ongoing investigation. The White House walked back Obamas comments.
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Some political observers believe that should the FBI find something incriminating against Clinton, the Democratic Party would seek out another standard-bearer such as Vice President Biden, former Vice President Al Gore or Secretary of State John Kerry. Many establishment Democrats dont believe Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) would be a viable nominee in the general election. But such a move wouldnt be easy. In a recent white paper published by the Brookings Institution, Elaine Kamarck and Ashley Gabriele point out that in order to secure the Democratic nomination, the winning candidate must be on ballots. They wrote, A candidate who is not on a primary ballot cant win delegates from that state pure and simple. ... The candidate who has missed filing deadlines through the end of January has potentially forfeited 2,232 delegates, the number to win the Democratic nomination!
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http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261582-fbi-chief-is-wild-card-for-clinton
Segami
(14,923 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)what this FBI investigation will uncover, where it will lead and WHO (if any) will be charged.
What will happen to Hillary's support?
jwirr
(39,215 posts)find something. Has that ever happened in a presidential race before and does that mean that the Rs automatically win?
Segami
(14,923 posts)Thats a good thread question to pose.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)If Comey wants to give up his appointment as FBI Director and come out publicly in favor of indictment, he is free to enjoy retirement. Other than some shocking triumph of principle, I think this is going to go the way of the similar matter of former CIA Director John Deutch who plugged his laptop containing classified materials into the web to view adult video. The Office of Information Security referred the matter to the FBI, and Attorney General Reno sat on the matter until the last day of the Clinton Presidency, when Bill pardoned Deutch.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Given so many of his horrible cabinet picks, this shouldn't surprise me, but isn't the Supreme Court the #1 reason given for why we should vote no matter what?
So much for that. Can't even count on a Democrat to consider only Democrats.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)And of course there was the choice of Rick Warren for the inaugural prayer.
Now go eat your peas!
Segami
(14,923 posts)And I'll say it again.....
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)But I guess I thought there were depths even he wouldn't stoop to, like considering a Republican for the Supreme Court. I should have known better.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Something to remember when the "He/she's not really a Democrat" crowd speaks.
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Cass Sunstein or a Republican. Either way....
Meanwhile, two out of the three most liberal Justices on the SCOTUS ever were nominated by Eisenhower and Ford. Breyer and Kagan, meh.
dsc
(52,160 posts)no reports at all. It wasn't mentioned on Comey's Wiki, it wasn't mentioned in the NYT report of his being named director of the FBI. Nothing at all. BTW it should be noted that Brennan, Warren, and Blackman were all Republicans and fine justices.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)8,000 pages were released yesterday. 2/3rd have now been releases. Two more batches at the end of December and end of January are to come.
So we'll have time to deal with anything controversial long before the primary is over from the email releases.
Also with that timing, given they will have established they've got through all the emails, if the FBI is going to do anything, it should also take place long before the primary is over.
Didn't want the other shoe to drop in the general election ...
askew
(1,464 posts)It could be in the general election.
There is also an active IG investigation and a Senate investigation which we don't know when they will be resolved.
There are also multiple ongoing lawsuits with emails from her staffers and State Dept that will be released throughout 2016 and could be released in general election.
That's not to mention the fact that if the FBI manages to recover her deleted emails, they could turn them over to State and we could see those emails released as well.
As of right now, we only have Hillary's word that the emails she deleted were personal. Unfortunately, that has already been proven false as the Benghazi Committee and the WH released emails between Hillary and others that were not turned over to State.
It is a huge mistake to nominate a candidate with these issues hanging over their head. We have 2 better candidates to choose from who are not scandal plagued.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)Given what charges would do to her candidacy/the democratic process for elections and the country, with them through the emails by the end of January, the FBI are very unlikely to wait until the general election is underway to charge her. They're already been through two thirds of her emails. There's no need to wait if they found criminal wrong doing. They can always add to the charges later. (Something like that would probably leak anyway)
FOIA's for Donald Trump (samples - not a complete list)
http://images.politico.com/global/2015/07/17/ab21_faa_trump_foia_1_1.pdf
https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/donald-trump-fbi-communications-19706/
http://time.com/money/4010695/trump-university-scam-donald-trump/
Other candidates have potential email problems
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/07/jeb-bush-scott-walker-hillary-clinton-private-emails
Someone FOIA fishing for Rubio documents
http://pbadupws.nrc.gov/docs/ML1507/ML15079A108.pdf
Crux, Bush, Rubio & Clinton February FOIAs
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/chief-foia-weekly-reports-%20march-2015.pdf
Didn't find any FOIAs on Bernie but that doesn't mean they're not out there.
The point of the above is they're all under some scrutiny. I'd concede with all of Hillary's emails out there, she's probably guaranteed some trouble - maybe not from the FBI or from the government investigations - but maybe, simply from from the GOP using the emails to infer bad things - the email gives their video some credible basis to spin BS from. They have tens of thousands to pick from. And therefore, Hillary is a higher risk. And I'd also concede with all of them, that the best time to nuke them with bad news is when they're in the general. But I do not see the FBI doing that. Could see the Senate investigation trying for that.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)forms from the Foundation. The Clinton's said it was a mistake but there are some real questions around why it took them so long to correct the forms. Oops it was the IRS that are looking into the corrected forms.
askew
(1,464 posts)The Senate investigation is looking into who is paying the legal bills for Hillary's server companies and her ex-IT staffer. If any of that money came out of her campaign, it is going to get ugly fast.
merrily
(45,251 posts)I ask you.
Segami
(14,923 posts)so I missed a few digits.....
merrily
(45,251 posts)The bigger issue, though, is whether donors got favored status from State or any other government agency as a result of the donations. (I hope they don't look only at State.)
jwirr
(39,215 posts)from Arkansas and after the error was made they had to go to another accountant firm. No doubt they are correct now but why was this kind of correction needed.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)of Bernie Sanders. It's as if some of you are hiding under that umbrella. Note: This is NOT about the majority of Sanders supporters, but rather a select few.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Is it untrue?
pa28
(6,145 posts)Nothing could possibly go wrong there . . .
hill2016
(1,772 posts)only the Attorney-General can.
And a jury would have the final say.
MaggieD
(7,393 posts)So to me this sounds like Bernie supporters in desperation. It's their only hope, it appears. They will be sadly disappointed.
Laser102
(816 posts)MaggieD
(7,393 posts)Whatever.
I only have one question - is Bernie such as bad choice that he can't win without all the fake smears? I know that is true of the GOP, but why from the Bernie crowd, who all think he is awesome?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Not even the President can intervene in an investigation by the FBI.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)A last minute bombshell would be devastating to the party.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)jalan48
(13,862 posts)If there happens to be damaging information the investigation will be put off until after the election. Obama declined, along with Pelosi to go after Bush and Cheney on war crimes and that really was a big deal.
merrily
(45,251 posts)For getting money from a doting billionairess whose financial advisors knew exactly what it was for. Meanwhile, McCain was allowed just to write out a check to the FEC. Unreal
rpannier
(24,329 posts)The writer has not been paying attention to Republicans over the past decade.
No one is untouchable to their spinmeisters and teahadists
They'll claim he's not a real conservative, that he's compromised or that he has been paid off
ejbr
(5,856 posts)The powerful do not go after the powerful
Karma13612
(4,552 posts)and it happened during the primary season, I guess it is business as usual with Hillary doing the right thing (dropping out of the race).
If she is the nominee, and if anything is unearthed, then wouldn't it mean the nomination has to go to the next candidate? I dare say it better not go to Hillary's VP unless it is either Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.
Interesting question.
Sigh
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)General James Comey refused to sign on to an extension of the program amid concerns about its legality and oversight.
Remember that? I DO! Comey had to race Gonzales and Card to Ashcroft's hospital bed to inform him of how ILLEGAL the Domestic Spying program was. He beat Gonzales there and Ashcroft refused to sign off on it - thanks to Comey.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2007/05/15/12881/comey-silence/
In his testimony today, Comey spoke for the first time about:
The high-speed pursuit that took place when Comey learned that Card and Gonzales were on their way to see Ashcroft at the hospital;
The hospital meeting, in which the seriously ill Ashcroft stunned Comey by lifting his head off the pillow and in very strong terms rejecting Card and Gonzales effort to have him reauthorize the spying program;
Comeys admission that he believed he had witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man, who did not have the powers of the attorney general because they had been transferred to me;
Andrew Cards subsequent very upset call to Comey, in which Card claimed that he and Gonzales had visited Ashcroft just
to wish him well;
The White Houses eventual agreement to suspend the warrantless spying in the face of a threat of mass resignations, including from FBI Director Robert Mueller and Attorney General Ashcroft
grasswire
(50,130 posts)"Some political observers believe that should the FBI find something incriminating against Clinton, the Democratic Party would seek out another standard-bearer such as Vice President Biden, former Vice President Al Gore or Secretary of State John Kerry. Many establishment Democrats dont believe Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) would be a viable nominee in the general election."
This is an outrageous statement. OUTRAGEOUS. Insider stupidity.