Hillary nothing but a Pale Shade in the Brilliant Light of Sanders Progressive Plans

[berni_mccoy]

Last edited Wed Dec 2, 2015, 03:01 PM - Edit history (1)

Since both candidates announced their candidacy, Hillary has done nothing but follow Bernie Sanders campaign and echo his policy with grand-stand announcements of extremely watered down versions. The only time she has lead Sanders on anything was when she was messing up with BLM. She beat him to the punch on offending them, but took much longer for her to finally sit down and meet with them. And as we'll see below, they weren't impressed with her...

Hillary's plans, often far weaker and offering no real meaningful change, are defended by her supporters under the guise of pragmatism. Where have we heard that before?... If you want a president that won't get much done and allow things like Citizens United to stand, then by all means support Clinton. But if you want real change and a chance to make the lives of the 99% better, then Sanders plan is the only one to do that.

Judge for yourself if these issues are what you believe in. I know where I stand. I know Sanders represents me.

Here is a timeline (with references) of when the candidates announced on most of the big campaign issues (note that many times, Hillary took months to announce her version of Sanders plans):

Wall Street Reform
May 6 — Sanders announces Bill to break up the banks, restore Glass-Steagall and enforce strict limits on speculation — http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/bernie-sanders-break-banks-too-big-fail
Oct. 8 — Hillary announces her “Cut it Out” plan — watch big banks, no restoration of Glass-Steagall, fees for excessive risk (whoa), expand SEC powers to tell banks to “Cut it Out”. — http://time.com/4067444/hillary-clinton-wall-street-reform-reaction/

College Crisis
May 19 — Sanders announces plan to have free college tuition -- http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/05/19/bernie_sanders_free_college_plan_make_wall_street_pay_for_higher_education.html
Aug 11 — Hillary announces College *Affordability* plan — primarily by lowering student loan interest rates — http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politics/hillary-clinton-college-affordability/

Family / Worker rights
June 11 — Sanders announces Family Values with paid family and medical leave and paid vacation standards — http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-announces-family-values-agenda
Jul 22 — Sanders announces $15 minimum wage with introduction of senate bill — http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/bernie-sanders-federal-minimum-wage-120468
Sep 9 — Sanders walks union picket line in Iowa -- http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/09/04/bernie-sanders-union-picket-cedar-rapids/71732308/
Oct 6 — Sanders introduces pro-Union bill strengthening collective bargaining rights -- http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-pocan-introduce-legislation-to-strengthen-workers-rights
Oct 26 — Sanders goes on strike with Verizon Workers in NY City -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-verizon-protest_562e4609e4b0ec0a38950e62
Nov 3. — Hillary announces support for compromise $12 minimum wage — http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259034-clinton-backs-12-minimum-wage

Health Care
Jun 29 — Sanders announces Medicare for All (introduces bill on Jul 30) -- http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/28/politics/bernie-sanders-obamacare-hillary-clinton-medicare/
Sep 22 — Hillary announces Health Care Plan (which is just a 250/month Cap on Patient Drug Cost) — http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/23/us/politics/hillary-rodham-clinton-proposes-cap-on-patients-drug-costs-as-sanders-pushes-his-plan.html?_r=0

Environment
Jul 7 -- Sanders introduced legislation to make solar available to low-income households -- http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/07/3677745/bernie-sanders-introduces-solar-legislation/
Jul 27 -- Hillary announces environmental plan -- in fairness, it's not bad -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-lays-out-climate-change-plan.html
Aug 1 -- Sanders recognized for his positions on the environment including Keystone XL, Arctic drilling, carbon taxes, and a host of other environmental issues including legislation he introduced on Global Climate change -- http://www.nationaljournal.com/s/70765/major-environmental-group-endorses-bernie-sanders-2016-bid
Sep 18 -- Hillary finally announces her opposition to Keystone XL -- http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-announces-stance-on-keystone-pipeline/

Campaign Finance
Aug 4 — Sanders reveals bill on Campaign Finance Reform (eliminates Super PACs, includes public financing and limits contributions to individual citizens) http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/250187-sanders-campaign-finance-system-amounts-to-legalized
Sep 9 — Hillary announces Campaign Finance Reform Plan (super-PACs remain) — http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/09/09/3699193/hillary-clinton-has-a-new-plan-to-combat-big-money-in-politics/

Social Justice
June 24 — Hillary says “All Lives Matter”, offending BLM activists — http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter
Aug 8 — Sanders protested by BLM -- responds brilliantly by allowing them to speak and by listening to them sincerely — http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/08/politics/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter-protesters/
Aug 9 — Sanders releases detailed Policy to Combat Racial Injustice — http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-racial-inequality_55c81153e4b0f1cbf1e56b77

Aug 17 — Sanders meets with Jesse Jackson — “ In a phone interview with CNN on Tuesday, Jackson said the meeting was "meaningful" and made clear that Sanders is interested in addressing voting rights, urban reconstruction and the impact of racism on black people.” http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/17/politics/bernie-sanders-jesse-jackson-black-lives-matter/

Sep 16 — Sanders meets with BLM — members impressed with him -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter_55f9ca9ce4b00310edf57b02
October 9 — Hillary meets with BLM -- members note her words in meeting different from public statements — http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-lives-matter-hillary-clinton_56180c44e4b0e66ad4c7d9fa
October 28 — Sanders announces Marijuana should be taken off Fed Dangerous Substance list. — http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-marijuana_56312967e4b0c66bae5ab86f
October 28 — Hillary announces support of Death Penalty / Sanders says government shouldn’t be in business of death and this is part of his Social Justice Policy — http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/10/30/death-penalty-could-provide-debate-fodder-for-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/?_r=0
October 30 — Hillary speech protested by BLM and she has them thrown out -- http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/clinton-holds-campaign-speech-in-atlanta-to-discuss-race-throws-out-black-lives-matter-activists-video/

[pinebox]

1. K&R, bookmarked and tweeted!

I'll get popcorn for this lol

[berni_mccoy]

8. .

[think]

2. Great post. TY

[upaloopa]

3. According to Steven Covey we all create

paradigms for ourselves to see our world through.

We see the same things but our paradigms tells us we are looking at different things.

Your paradigm is in line with about 30% of Dems

[berni_mccoy]

4. Feel free to "create" your own... the OP is based in facts, not perceptions.

When was the last time Hillary walked a picket line again?

[The Blue Traveller]

5. Nice timeline with facts

Thanks, berni_mccoy.

[nc4bo]

6. Dittohead, same here, me too and so forth and so on.

But like was said in OP, the really good stuff is watered down and cut fifty dozen ways.

Bernie is the real deal in this race. The other campaign, a cheap knockoff.

Recommending!

[peacebird]

7. Fantastic reference! Bookmarked. Thank you very much for putting this together!

[Doctor_J]

9. I think they like to call it triangular instead of pale

Of course if you hold a triangular prism up to a bright light...

[berni_mccoy]

10. heh...

Looks good until you look closer and there's nothing there.

[Nitram]

20. Is that backlight in the fringe?

[MisterP]

11. they really do think that grabbing a little bit of "the party's left wing" from Sanders and a

little bit of "the party's right wing" from Wall Street and mixing it with a lot of endorsements is what it takes to represent the country

of course us people who have to work for a living just see her as "copying a stronger candidate who knows what America needs, but who'll easily reverse every promise" and "sucking up to Wall Street, who'd kill our job, steal our pension, and take our house if they could, and they HAVE done so for millions"

[Nitram]

53. If all she does is copy him, then how could she win?

Doesn't it please you that Bernie has pushed Clinton's policy stance farther to the left? It pleases me.

"Those of us who work for a living?" Really?Clinton has killed your job, stolen your pension and tried to take your house? You are conflating Wall Street with Clinton. Great political tactic, but way off base.

[MissDeeds]

12. Excellent post, berni_mccoy

Facts are hard to dispute, but I'm sure some will give it a try.

Prepare for incoming!



K&R

[JohnnyRingo]

13. ...and she's leading 2 to 1 in the national polls

You left that out.

It could be that the average voter isn't as concerned with finding the ideal liberal candidate as some feel. Alien as that may seem to many, moderates in each party are the ones who elect our presidents, and they always have.

If "liberal" wasn't such an off-putting word to so many voters, the word progressive would be unnecessary. As it is, you were careful to use it in describing Sanders' positions. Now let's poll "socialist" and see how that plays in Peoria.

[DhhD]

25. Polling Socialist got Obama a win. Who stopped Obama from his 2008 campaign promises?

Same bunch, supporters of Hillary Clinton. IMO, she is running as, The Reversal Candidate just as the OP tells us.

[JohnnyRingo]

32. The only place Obama was defined as a "socialist"...

...was on Fox News, where they said he was "the most liberal senator in the history", adding: "...even to the left of Ted Kennedy". I don't imagine that kind of framing won Obama any votes among the Fox News crowd and no sane people took them seriously.

Obama won in '08 because Bush tarnished his party so badly and because some idiot thought Sarah Palin would neuter a possible run by Hillary.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. IOW, Bernie is a leader.

Hillary, a follower.

Bookmarked, kick and rec'd - GREAT post!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Betty Karlson]

47. Agreed. For a long time, Clinton has shown

to never change her positions over moral or intellectual reasons. She will only do so (and even then reluctantly) when a three forcus groups and five polls tell her it is imperative to abandon a twenty year old "article of corporate faith".

She is, and always has been, a follower. That's why she voted for Iraq, just following where W and his massively overcompensating armysexuality led the way to a complete clusterf*ck. That's why she listens first and formost to her big donors, while paying lipservice to the smaller ones. That's why she invoked 9/11 when questioned about her Wall Street ties: if it worked for the GOP, she might as well borrow a page out of their book. And on and on and on...

[Amimnoch]

15. One limits her promises to what she can reasonably accomlish in life with Congress.

The other lives in a fantasy world since there isn't a potential congress in the making.. at all.. that will let him roll out his vision.



And do please spare me the bullshit "he's at least trying" crap. If it isn't possible.. at all.. then he's not trying. He's lying.

[Ned_Devine]

21. My gift to you, my wet blanket friend

[frylock]

27. Shit like your image macro gets posted, and Hillary supporter can't figure out why we push back.

Clueless, indeed.

[treestar]

28. Yes, they never think about Congress

never seen a single post on DU about turning a seat around in any state. It's all on one person as usual. Bernie can do it all alone, and his coattails will bring in a progressive Congress! Our system is not like that. It has competing interests and no one has enough mesmerizing ability to get their own way. In fact, that's the whole point of our system.

[Amimnoch]

30. You know, I'd actually tried to get that conversation started a few days ago.

The interest in it was underwhelming...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251858917

[treestar]

43. Yes, very interesting

It's so much simpler to think one person can be the overall Messiah and we don't have to worry about all those elections and that some of them are in red states where it's hard to get progressives. Much easier to believe Bernie will take the world by storm so that Alabama voters will go "yeah!" and vote for Bernie and some Progressive Democratic Senators and Congresspeople.

[Armstead]

37. This is the presidential primary forum /nt

[treestar]

42. So it could be in the GD

But no one discusses it.

[berni_mccoy]

31. I notice that no responses of Hillary fans

Are in defense of her policy positions listed above. It must suck knowing your chosen candidate doesn't really represent your values.

[Amimnoch]

39. LOL, It's a waste of time defending against hyperbolic bullshit.

I'm bored so I'll just give you the first one as a freebie:

"May 6 — Sanders announces Bill to break up the banks, restore Glass-Steagall and enforce strict limits on speculation — http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/09/bernie-sanders-break-banks-too-big-fail "

First- where has this bill gone? How close is it coming to becoming a law? It's pure bullshit. The current congress, nor any potential version based on the candidates running in the states having 2016 elections are going to push that through.. As I said, hyperbolic bullshit and either Mr. Burns is delusional or a disingenuous liar. It's not a possibility.

[2pooped2pop]

52. more of the same shit good enough for you?

not for me.

[Amimnoch]

55. so, some progress is worse than no progress.

alrighty.

[2pooped2pop]

56. tired of giving the republicans everything they want to

get the tiniest thing. The people want more regulations on wall street and corporations and less regulations on the people. The people are tired of everything working to fuck them over while corporations skate. Giving away everything to the republicans so we can get a morsel isn't good enough and nothing will ever change with the attitude of "what we can get"

[Amimnoch]

58. The republicans have been getting what they want??

I bet they'd sure like to know that about now.

In the last 8 years of President Obama:
ACA
Rejected Keystone
ex convicts can no longer be denied employment in federal jobs.
first openly gay secretary of the army appointed.
DOMA- gone (more of a DoJ issue, but a Republican would have fought it hard. Obama's AG was sympathetic.
DADT - gone
Transgender Americans may not be discriminated against by health insurance companies or medical providers
New Medicare formula changes the way doctors are reimbursed; rewards doctors when their patients have better health outcomes
President Obama issues executive order allowing the parents of children who are U.S. citizens or legal residents to continue residing in the United States
China and the United States agree to cut greenhouse gas emissions by up to twenty-five percent by 2030
Minimum wage for Federal Contractors raised to $10.10 per hour.
President Obama and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani have first formal communication between the two nations in 35 years
American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 signed into law

More? Quit letting the hyperbole bullshit of those who have cherry-picked the few bad compromises (and I'll concede there are some) paint the whole picture for you.

Yes, some shit was accepted, but overall the last 8 years WAS progress. Some of it tainted with compromises, and not all of them good.

And there is the big difference between the 2 candidates. Clinton doesn't make the same promises as Sanders.. not because she doesn't believe in the same things he does.. She knows what can and can not be accomplished.

There is NO Senate in the works for this next congress, nor is there ANY House make up that will make Sanders policies reality. So, he will either be completely worthless as a president grinding our system of government to a halt, OR he will learn to compromise to make things happen and for some progress.. the same flawed progress.. to happen. It's a bitter pill, but that is reality.

[ibegurpard]

33. She will accomplish nothing

Unless we manage to at least take back the Senate.
Of course she could just back Republican legislation as Obama has been known to do.

[Amimnoch]

40. So, you are saying she is not a political insider?

The devoted of Sanders confuse me with the continuous flip-flopping.

She's this huge political insider and part of this grand secret world order society of power players who is buying the Oligarchy that is the presidency one minute.. but the next she will accomplish nothing.

The whole strawman hyperbolic bullshit title of Oligarchy is of course ridiculous, but one point that the opponents here do have is that she IS a political insider. In case some missed the memo, this IS still a "Representative Republic", which means that the President is NOT an all powerful Despot. Personally I would rather a president that is capable of actually getting things done (i.e. an insider) rather than a Muppet curmudgeon heckling from the Balcony completely impotent to effect anything.



On edit: before someone has a stroke over "impotent" I'm referring to his politics not his penis. I'd think the subject matter would make that clear, but I know how Mr. Burns followers just love to take everything out of context and stretch it as much as possible to find addition insult where none is made.

[billhicks76]

16. Sick Of Clintonites

And their underhanded ways. Always flagging and ganging up. Can't stand them and in a general election few will put up with them.

[Playinghardball]

17. KICK!!

[tnlurker]

18. K&R

[AzDar]

19. K & R

[Enthusiast]

22. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

We can not continue to allow the foxes to guard the hen house. That is how we got in the mess we had in 2008.

A good scolding will not suffice!

[ismnotwasm]

23. Reminds me of an old song

We skipped the light fandango
Turned cartwheels cross the floor
I was feeling kinda seasick
But the crowd called out for more
The room was humming harder
As the ceiling flew away
When we called out for another drink
The waiter brought a tray

[Chorus]
And so it was that later
As the miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly,
Turned a whiter shade of pale

She said, there is no reason
And the truth is plain to see.
But I wandered through my playing cards
And would not let her be
One of sixteen vestal virgins
Who were leaving for the coast
And although my eyes were open
They might have just as well've been closed

[Chorus]
And so it was that later
As the miller told his tale
That her face, at first just ghostly,
Turned a whiter shade of pale

She said, I'm home on shore leave,
Though in truth we were at sea
So I took her by the looking glass
And forced her to agree
Saying, you must be the mermaid
Who took neptune for a ride.
But she smiled at me so sadly
That my anger straightway died

[Duval]

24. Kicked and highly recommended!

[randys1]

26. It happened again! I HAVE to replace my computer, I could have SWORN I was on DU

[berni_mccoy]

29. Right because DU is no place for progressive values

[ibegurpard]

34. Not if they conflict with Her Hillaryness.

[WillyT]

35. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[berni_mccoy]

48. My pleasure!

[ibegurpard]

36. ouch

That's not fuzzy talking points there...that's straight up comparisons.
She is a lousy candidate.

[berni_mccoy]

45. Yep it appears to have left a mark

[KoKo]

38. Thanks for pulling together those links..."Truth Out."

[immoderate]

41. This timeline makes Hillary appear to be reactionary.

--imm

[AtomicKitten]

44. Excellent timeline and compilation. k&r

[Betty Karlson]

46. Andthat is the truth. Thanks for compling this handy list of compasrisons. eom

[libdem4life]

49. Any Success Coach will tell you that if you have vision...seeing clearly what is not

yet, but moving toward it with steadfastness and courage, "magically" gets the help from the Universe (people) with you. Eight years with a Visionary Leader like Bernie...of course there will be challenges...but the one with The Eye on the Prize will win out every time

The Real Deal will overtake the Me Too Deal.

[Scuba]

50. Great list berni, bookmarking.

[2pooped2pop]

51. A+++++++++++++++++ n/t

[MuseRider]

54. Well done and thank you!

Bookmarked.

[cantbeserious]

57. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom