Where was the outrage when MLK's image was used on a pro-Bernie poster?

[Cali_Democrat]

I see a lot of outrage here about Rosa Parks appearing on a Hillary logo.

But I saw very little outrage when MLK's face was used on a pro-Bernie poster.

In fact, there was no outrage at all and Bernie supporters applauded.

Hmmm.....

[Agnosticsherbet]

1. Outrage has a double standard

One voters Outrage is another Wonderful

[Wilms]

2. Because it wasn't the Sanders campaign doing it.

You didn't realize that?

[Cali_Democrat]

3. So it's OK for supporters of candidates to appropriate images of civil rights legends

and plaster them all over DU where they get over 100 recs....

but it's the worst thing in the world for a campaign staffer to do it?

[redstateblues]

5. Bernie's campaign is fueled by anger

There is a constant need to find something, anything to be angry about. That might work in a blood red congressional district but not in the GE.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. I totally agree with this

It is fueled by anger.

It's much different than Obama's 2008 uplifting campaign.

That's why the Obama/Bernie comparisons are so absurd.

[Wilms]

7. It's called Freedom of Speech.

The supporters can do that. So can the campaigns. Do you see the Sanders campaign doing that? No. Do you see Clinton's campaign doing it? Yes.

And they are free to do so...and incur the the response.

[Scootaloo]

30. Yeah, because the latter is acting in an official capacity for a presidential campaign

Is this some sort of struggle for you?

[Scuba]

22. Exactly.

[NurseJackie]

4. It's a bit gauche, in a "Velvet-Elvis-y" way ...

... but not something that I'd be offended by.

Still, you make a valid point. The hypersensitivity exhibited in one instance is not mirrored in another.

[NCTraveler]

6. When the people you are questioning truly believe....

Thatcher is a better feminist role model then Clinton, you might just want to back away slowly and cough fools under your breath a couple of times.

[Hekate]

34. >cough<

[retrowire]

9. THE REACHING

LMAO

Bernie's campaign did not make or approve this image!

HAHAHA

He can't be held responsible for what others do!

Should we hold Hillary responsible for all the "Literally hunting the Chinese" memes?!

This is so very desperate... But oh so good.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. If appropriating the images of civil rights legends is so bad...

why did the Bernie/MLK poster get 133 recs on DU?

If the Bernie campaign themselves created that poster, would those same people applauding be scolding his campaign?

I highly doubt it.

It's called selective outrage.

[retrowire]

11. Here's the difference.

We're judging Hillary here. She and her campaign chose to use the Rosa Parks image on Hillary's logo.

Her logo is meant to be her brand, her advertisement. Putting Rosa on that is distasteful.

Having an image of Rosa alongside Hillary wouldn't have had the same distastefulness. That kind of image would invoke that the two had similar ideals.

Which, the Bernie image does. It simply has FDR and MLK above him, which invokes that he is continuing their legacy. They aren't being cartooned onto his logo in a brand selling way.

So, we've covered 2 differences.

1. Bernie didn't make it, can't hold HIM accountable for it. Hillary did so we can.

2. Placing their likeness in a logo, which keep in mind a logo's purpose is to BE a visual representation of a BRAND is a much different message than having their likeness alongside someone else.

So there you have it. The difference.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. "Putting Rosa on that is distasteful"

so then I assume putting MLK on a Bernie poster is also distasteful?

Why did that thread get applauded with 133 recs?

[retrowire]

14. Oh geez you didn't even bother reading it. lol

Here I'll isolate it for you.

2. Placing their likeness in a logo, which keep in mind a logo's purpose is to BE a visual representation of a BRAND is a much different message than having their likeness alongside someone else.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. LOL

Appropriating the images of civil rights legends is wrong either way.

The only reason why you're outraged about the Rosa Parks image is because a Hillary staffer did it.

Had a Bernie staffer did the same thing, you and 90% of DU would be applauding just like when you guys applauded the MLK/Bernie poster.

The selective outrage is amusing, but not surprising.

[retrowire]

18. Nope. :)

I see you've got your reasoning and you're comforted with that. Don't worry, I won't rustle your blanket any further.

[merrily]

29. LOL! Welcome to DU, friend. You're home at last.

Don't let my gentle teasing rile you. You know how much I love ya!

[Dawgs]

24. Oh fuck!

[Scootaloo]

32. "Had X done Y, here's what would have happened!"

X did not do Y. Your thesis is thus baseless.

The Clinton campaign - the official campaign, under clinton's direct hand - did make a civil rights icon into a campaign logo for Hillary Clinton.

[bravenak]

40. Not surprising at all.

[NurseJackie]

19. None of this matters. (Except to Hillary-haters.) Nobody cares. (Except Hillary-haters.)

This will all blow over and will be forgotten in less than a week. Whatever traction you guys are hoping to find will not be successful. But, if focusing on the minutiae is the BEST you can do, then "please continue" (as is popular to say).

The petty "arrow-points-right" outrage had more merit than this. (And that's not a compliment, trust me.)

You fret and get worked up over a big fat nothing.
We giggle at the absurdity of it all.

[retrowire]

20. that's fine. still distasteful.

it still solidifies my opinion of Hillary.

I'm not trying to "gain traction". I'm just calling out something I and many others find offensive.

This probably won't affect Hillary greatly. But it affects myself and those who notice things like this.

I know you don't care because you and many others like to think its because we hate Hillary. nah, you couldn't be further from the truth.

I would love to meet Hillary, thank her for all she's done for women's rights. I'd tell her I love that picture of her playing a gameboy and how that's cool.

But truth is, I found this offensive, and I said so. That's that.

[Hekate]

36. >gasp!< You mean your opinion of HRC was not already solidified?! I'm gobsmacked!

"it still solidifies my opinion of Hillary"

[retrowire]

37. What? Solid things can't be further solidified? nt

[Luminous Animal]

12. Did it come from Bernie's campaign? No it did not.

[jeff47]

15. That wasn't done by the Sanders campaign. The logo was done by Clinton's campaign.

That's quite a bit of difference.

Every candidate is going to have supporters that do something inappropriate.

My bigger question is why the heck they didn't put Parks on the front vertical line of the H? First, it avoids the "back of the logo" complaints, and second, the "empty" seat behind her is a more fitting tribute.

[MaggieD]

16. It's okay if you're a Bernie supporter

IOIYABS. Everybody here knows that!

[Doctor_J]

21. There was no outrage from the Hillarians?

Your memory of the event differs from mine.

[Scuba]

23. As you know, it wasn't Bernie's campaign that issued that poster. Further ....

.... Bernie doesn't have a history of racist comments. Don't you think that matters?

[bvar22]

25. ..because...

they didn't put MLK in the back of the bus, but above us ALL, with FDR, the Father of the Modern Democratic Party.
It was done in much better taste....not a cartoon, like Hillary's.



Thanks again to all the Hillary fans who guided me to this fabulous work of art.

[merrily]

26. Plenty of outrage over any mention of Bernie and MLK was coming from Hillary supporters.

Now, they are fine with Hillary co-opting Rosa Parks as part of a campaign logo. However, while Bernie did march with MLK, Hillary had nothing to do with civil rights activism at the time, including Rosa Parks' activism. And while Bernie had nothing to do with the poster, this is Hillary's campaign exploiting Parks.

Why do you ask?

[leftofcool]

27. Well, you know, Bernie on Elvis velvet with MLK.

Now that is distasteful.

[Menshunables]

28. Bernie has more in common with MLK than Hillary does with Parks.

Besides, King's cartoon wasn't put on the Bernie Sanders campaign logo to upsell Sander's image. Rosa Park's logo was used to upsell Hillary the politician.

Hillary used Rosa like a souless Madison avenue ad person would. Maybe she has a Don Draper working for her.

What rightly should be added to the H> would be of a white person, as a reminder as to why:

"that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again,...

Adding Parks is a real sharp slap in the face to some who remember those white words and more from her last campaign. I understand the kerfuffle about it all. The nerve is quite amazing.

[Iliyah]

31. Hypocrisy

[Number23]

33. Yep. Nothing more or less.

[Crystalite]

35. It's not a Sanders Campaign Creation, for one. Two, it's the truth, it's more truthful.

It's a tribute, not a self-serving slick logo put out by the campaign.

Feel it. Feel the Bern.

[bravenak]

39. It tries to connect a man to MLK who has nothing to do with his legacy.

To try to get black votes is what it looks like. I love the fact that people laugh out loud what I show them and ask me how desperate I find it. I tell them what I think. More votes for Hillary!!

[bravenak]

38. People are fake. Fake fake fake fake fake. Fake.

Some want to control the votes of black people based on what THEY think is best for us in a rather paternalistic and forcefull manner. They often express rage and anger when we do not follow along like sycophants, graciously genuflecting to them as if they are witty and important. The blind rage towards the black demographic is obvious in how we are followed and harassed one by one because of our refusal to give in to their demands. It shows they really do hold themselves above us and truely believe that they are BETTER.
I will never forget to remind them one by one when they come demanding answers or anything from me, a person who does not give one shit about what they want or think or desire.

[ibegurpard]

41. you have a very Republicanesque sense of false equivalency

Don't you?
I don't need to explain why...others have already done so.

[Cheese Sandwich]

42. Maybe if it was a cartoon MLK pasted inside the campaign logo, which is what Hillary did

[Autumn]

43. That poster wasn't done by Bernie's campaign.

I didn't see that but since you said Bernie supporters applauded... well

[Capt. Obvious]

44. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251846817

Did you forget your own post?

[beam me up scottie]

45. "Can we all agree that using dead civil rights leaders to promote your candidate is kinda sick?"

Hmmmmmmm, I wonder who said that?

Nice catch!

Lots of fake outrage in this thread.

[bluedigger]

46. Let's not revisit the distant past.

We have all evolved immensely since then.