2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDays after Donald Trump drew thousands to a rally in Sarasota, Clinton's crowd numbered roughly 600.
Huh? This is Florida, the third largest state. Six hundred? My friend got an invite several days ago. Hillary was in town for five or six fundraisers over two days it appears, and added a rally in the center of the state. They report that the crowd that came was enthusiastic.
But only 600?
http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/hillary-clinton-fires-up-enthusiastic-crowd-in-orlando/2256228
Then it's reported that she told Floridians to get out and vote on the wrong day!
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/hillary-clinton-urges-florida-democrats-to-vote---on-the-wrong-day/2256176
It was also written just yesterday, "Where is the Hillary Clinton campaign in Florida?"
and The most striking thing about Hillary Clinton's Florida campaign is how little it's doing..
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/wheres-hillary-clintons-fla-campaign/2256110
THIS IS NOT A GOOD SIGN.
And 600 people?????
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And I'll still do that, Florida is Texas with more alligators and fewer excuses...
But ya just have to blink at the wrong voting day thing. I mean it's not a big thing at all, but... c'mon. Drink some coffee!
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Right now our focus on making sure supporters are registered as Dems so they can participate in the primary.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I spent too much time in Pensacola growing up to deny the urge to elbow Florida
Seriously, keep up the work, it's hard and thankless, and I guess being in Florida doesn't make it any goddamned easier.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)take the poll numbers.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Her poll numbers says her campaign is working. BTW, she doesn't give speeches in the same manner Trump is, I prefer Hillary's way. Besides she is running as a DNC candidate.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)We need lots of extremely enthusiastic voters to drive turnout. Clinton only getting 600 is a gigantic red flag with a flashing red light on the flagpole and a siren going off.
Low turnout means the polls you are so enamored of are meaningless - their "likely voter" model assumes good turnout.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)
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Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Her supporters knows her positions, and it is not necessary to have the 'big' turnouts, she is still listening to voters and not having the voters only listen to her.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)That's what I've heard.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)Fundraising is more important than crowds. All your money belongs to her!
She probably chatted up some superdelegates. All your endorsements belong to her!
Bernie is not Obama! It's Hillary's turn for sure this time!
SCOTUS! SCOTUS! SCOTUS! All your votes belong to her!
First woman president! All women & girl childs belong to her!
kath
(10,565 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)9/11
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)and she meant it. She really did!
progree
(11,463 posts)Nodding is over by 1:00. Rest is ancient political discussion from last June or so.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)"Hillary Clinton has professional image handlers."
'We've all become so accustomed to stage-managed, focus group-driven candidates (Hillary) that authenticity (Bernie) comes across as lunacy."
progree
(11,463 posts)SUSAN PAGE (USA Today): ... And, also, his (Bernie's) manner. She (Hillary) has got all kinds of problems in looking approachable and looking like shes a fully-fledged human being. And hes all hes just totally approachable. Hes 100 percent authentic, approachable Bernie Sanders. So I think the contrast is not helpful to her.
TAMARA KEITH (NPR): Yes.
GWEN IFILL: Go ahead.
TAMARA KEITH: I was just going to say that when I talk to people out when Im reporting, they say things like, gosh, Bernie Sanders is just so real.
And it creates that contrast with Hillary Clinton, who has been in public life for so long. Shes had her picture taken so many times that she has that smile down just right. And Bernie is just out there being Bernie. And so it does create sort of a stylistic contrast for people.
Bif, Pow, Ouch,
Here's the video itself
Oh, start at about 3:00. But the goody above starts at 3:42, and is over at 4:21
merrily
(45,251 posts)Bernie all along.
I love Stewart's talent and genius, but he can kiss my ring for how he treated Bernie, right up until his last week.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)When Hillary has all of that Wall Street and Corporate CA$H to buy votes with TV Commercials boatloads of mailbox stuffers for the lesser informed among us.
A candidate's background and actual personal/political history does in fact matter to many of us. There remains plenty of time for the voters to learn ALL of the FACTS on ALL of the candidates in the Primary for POTUS before making a final choice in the Democratic Primary Election for POTUS.
The General Election btw is currently underway, better known as The Democratic Primary in YOUR State... So who would YOU really rather have as POTUS... on 1/20/17? Encourage your Indy registered friends to change their registration for the Democratic Primary so that we can maximize turnout for the second coming of FDR!
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)spot on.....
askew
(1,464 posts)There's a reason the Dem establishment cirlced the wagons around her and protected her. If it is was a competitve primary like in 2008, she'd lose again to a candidate who can inspire the base.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Bernie's campaign is like Snoopy doing his happy dance.
HRC's campaign is like Pigpen - a cloud of dust and dirt perpetually hovering overhead (Past/present/future scandals)
HRC's campaign also reminds me of Eyore on a bad day.
Eeyore: "I'd look on the bright side, if I could find it."
I might have known, said Eeyore. After all, one cant complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday. And was it last week or the week before that Rabbit bumped into me and said Bother!. The Social Round. Always something going on.
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)jalan48
(14,286 posts)Like the saying goes, be careful what you wish for....
Nyan
(1,192 posts)Republicans will most likely support whomever is their nominee. Even if they don't particularly care for their nominee, they will show up just to vote against her (Never underestimate how much republicans hate the Clintons). People on the left who are critically supporting Bernie will likely vote for Jill Stein or just stay home, because she doesn't represent their values and they have no party loyalty. Bernie fans with party loyalty will be torn in between. But in any case, if she's the nominee, republicans will show up. And democrats won't. At least not enough to beat their nominee. But who knows? Maybe Trump doesn't get the nomination and runs as third party candidate, then there's a whole new game.
jalan48
(14,286 posts)Mike__M
(1,052 posts)She'll have the support of all the enthusiastic young legislators that ride into Congress on her coattails. All of them. Count 'em. Count 'em now before they hatch.
jfern
(5,204 posts)0.02% turnout is pretty weak.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)No big rallies...just the $XXXX per plate fundraisers or her invitation only/private conversations.
This is purposeful...to keep her hidden from big groups of the little people because they are going to be reminded of why they don't like her.
Her campaign must be so frick'n sure that they can buy a win, that they are not even worrying about the millions of voters.
That arrogance will be their undoing...again.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)wouldsman
(94 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Response to wouldsman (Reply #24)
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DonCoquixote
(13,663 posts)because frankly, this is exactly the sort of crap Debbie Wassermann Schultz is supposed to Manage.
bvf
(6,604 posts)"manage" in the same sentence as "Debbie Wasserman Schultz" in this manner, although your point is taken.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)such as Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein...
joshcryer
(62,371 posts)Surprised she's stringing it out this long because she's going to want to have enthusiasm coming out of the primaries if she wins.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that is enthusiastic about her?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Everyone was invited. Even me....cuz I signed up to watch campaign. Nice spin.
joshcryer
(62,371 posts)Did you attempt to go?
book_worm
(15,951 posts)crowd's don't mean anything except to give some losing campaigns a talking point.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)but keep up that memo.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Are you saying Hillary is like Nixon?
frylock
(34,825 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,025 posts)11:35 am ET
Nov 5, 2012 UNCATEGORIZED
Monday Morning
But to the election. Who knows what to make of the weighting of the polls and the assumptions as to who will vote? Who knows the depth and breadth of each partys turnout efforts? Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate, who said, in a conversation the night before the last presidential debate, that he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we dont know about.
I think they are and I think its this: a Romney win.
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Romneys crowds are building28,000 in Morrisville, Pa., last night; 30,000 in West Chester, Ohio, Friday It isnt only a triumph of advance planning: People came, they got through security and waited for hours in the cold. His rallies look like rallies now, not enactments. In some new way hes caught his stride. He looks happy and grateful. His closing speech has been positive, future-looking, sweetly patriotic. His closing ads are sharpthe one about whats going on at the rallies is moving.
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Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and were not really noticing because were too busy looking at data on paper instead of whats in front of us? Maybe thats the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.
There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And theres the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.
...
I suspect both Romney and Obama have a sense of whats coming, and its part of why Romney looks so peaceful and Obama so roiled.
http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)video released by Carter's grandson. Nothing to do with crowds who turn out and don't vote. Romney was ruined in that private event with the cell phone taping. Remember that?????
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,025 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Thought so.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,025 posts)Noonan ignored the empirical data and embraced the normative data and consequently made a fool of herself.
Yard signs -Check
Crowds - Check
Hunches -Check
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Plenty of time for the Facts/Truth to come out on Hillary as the people become better acquainted with the extreme contrasts on every level between herself and Bernard....
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)They voted together 93% of the time. You guys need to get a new act.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)had a wonderful opportunity to get a photo with HRC. I hope they post it here at DU.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Seriously....
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)in Florida.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)and his fans are here patting each other on the back. Now you guys are working for Trump. I guess losing is fun to this group?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)A desperate one as well
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)and why would I be desperate? It's your guy who's fucking losing.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)You're laughable. Hillary already knows about losing, so it won't be so hard for her this time either.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Hillary is smoking..pun intended..Bernie big time. But you go ahead and have another toke and dream of shit that ain't happening.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Only a couple of candidates have been here. Big contrast between Trump and Clinton. We'll see when the others finally come.
Any analysis on DU and a few facts, and you're anti? Florida sees the same mistakes being made as in 2008. All the links are there. Should we just ignore it? If Hillary is the nominee, she is going to have to step up her game, and it's constructive to look at all the facts. I see so many Hillary supporters who want to ignore things, instead of speaking out, and letting the campaign know. She will have trouble in the general in fla if this keeps up. Just an observation. Nice try, to pack me in a negative shell, trump supporter or anti Clinton.
I want to support her if she wins....but it's people like you that make others want to sit it out. If you can't take a 'contest', why don't you go away and come back when it's all over?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)I can see for miles and miles.....