Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:48 PM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

Days after Donald Trump drew thousands to a rally in Sarasota, Clinton's crowd numbered roughly 600.

Huh? This is Florida, the third largest state. Six hundred? My friend got an invite several days ago. Hillary was in town for five or six fundraisers over two days it appears, and added a rally in the center of the state. They report that the crowd that came was enthusiastic.

But only 600?

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/hillary-clinton-fires-up-enthusiastic-crowd-in-orlando/2256228

Then it's reported that she told Floridians to get out and vote on the wrong day!

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/hillary-clinton-urges-florida-democrats-to-vote---on-the-wrong-day/2256176

It was also written just yesterday, "Where is the Hillary Clinton campaign in Florida?"
and The most striking thing about Hillary Clinton's Florida campaign is how little it's doing..

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/wheres-hillary-clintons-fla-campaign/2256110

THIS IS NOT A GOOD SIGN.

And 600 people?????

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Days after Donald Trump drew thousands to a rally in Sarasota, Clinton's crowd numbered roughly 600. (Original post)	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	OP
I cam in ready to snark at Florida...	Scootaloo	Dec 2015	#1
Some of us down here in FL are working damn hard for Bernie.	Cassiopeia	Dec 2015	#23
I know. It's just that low-hanging fruit is hard to resist.	Scootaloo	Dec 2015	#27
Since Hillary's poll numbers are higher than Trumps, he can continue to turn thousands, I will	Thinkingabout	Dec 2015	#2
The lack of enthusiasm for Hillary everywhere should alarm democrats everywhere.	reformist2	Dec 2015	#5
She is running her campaign her way, Trump is running his another	Thinkingabout	Dec 2015	#7
And absolutely none of that addresses the low enthusiasm.	jeff47	Dec 2015	#9
Exactly. 600 people? That's anemic!	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#11
Precisely. n/t	Aerows	Dec 2015	#35
I found this same post guess where?	leftofcool	Dec 2015	#36
The Hillary Group?	merrily	Dec 2015	#53
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Dec 2015	#42
No Hillary does not need to run around with her hair on fire.	Thinkingabout	Dec 2015	#46
It is -what- it is. eom.	nc4bo	Dec 2015	#3
She prefers listening to people, doncha know?	Ino	Dec 2015	#4
Ya think? They reported in those links it's all the same mistakes as 2008	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#6
She knows what she's doing!	Ino	Dec 2015	#10
HA! Nailed it. ALL in a few short SENTENCES.	kath	Dec 2015	#13
Bwahahaha!	CharlotteVale	Dec 2015	#15
And	tazkcmo	Dec 2015	#39
and New York. WALL STREET !!!	Hiraeth	Dec 2015	#61
911!	reddread	Dec 2015	#69
I told Wall Street to cut it out !!	Hiraeth	Dec 2015	#70
She's a great listener and a very empathetic nodder, and nodder, and nodder	progree	Dec 2015	#34
Her campaign is prepackaged pulp. Jon Stewart explains the difference between her & Bernie.	AtomicKitten	Dec 2015	#8
Even PBS's Politics Monday panel agrees	progree	Dec 2015	#33
Stewart did that episode because the show's fans complained so much about how poorly he treated	merrily	Dec 2015	#55
Why Should Hillary Require a Campaign Presence in Florida...	CorporatistNation	Dec 2015	#12
^^^this^^^	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#16
Not surprised. There is a serious enthusiam gap with Hillary.	askew	Dec 2015	#14
It IS competitive. The reports are that Bernie is ahead of where Obama was at this time.	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#19
Re: enthusiasm, HRC is deep in the negative numbers.	Divernan	Dec 2015	#28
And now she's got a Rahm problem...	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#79
If Hillary does win the Presidency who will really support her?	jalan48	Dec 2015	#17
I know she's not gonna get cross-over votes from republicans	Nyan	Dec 2015	#32
Actually, I was referring to after she is elected President, if she wins.	jalan48	Dec 2015	#41
It's inevitable	Mike__M	Dec 2015	#78
That's in a metro area of 3 million	jfern	Dec 2015	#18
the Berning tsunami is coming.....	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#20
She's always in hiding or hob-knobbing with the rich.	SoapBox	Dec 2015	#21
For the area she had a 0.02 turnout. That's anemic.	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#22
Birds of a feather... n/t	Hepburn	Dec 2015	#44
This is also why there are few debates, and so late in the game n/t	arcane1	Dec 2015	#54
But, 9-11!	wouldsman	Dec 2015	#24
Funny...	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#25
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Dec 2015	#43
any Hillary slip in florida hurts more	DonCoquixote	Dec 2015	#26
Please refrain from using the word	bvf	Dec 2015	#30
She prefers listening to small groups of her constituents ...	Indepatriot	Dec 2015	#29
These are closed events.	joshcryer	Dec 2015	#31
Is there anyone who votes in the US	Aerows	Dec 2015	#37
This was not closed, it was emailed to all! The fundraisers were closed to media. Not the rally.	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#48
What I mean is they had a low fixed limit.	joshcryer	Dec 2015	#73
Yeah it was said that McGovern's crowds were bigger in 1972 than Nixon's, too	book_worm	Dec 2015	#38
and obama got large crowds and he won	Robbins	Dec 2015	#71
McGovern and Nixon?	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#75
Some people say...	frylock	Dec 2015	#77
I need to bookmark this	DemocratSinceBirth	Dec 2015	#40
Romney's problems came when everyone heard how he really felt about 50% of citizens via cell phone	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#49
The point was Peggy Noonan wrote that the day before the election...	DemocratSinceBirth	Dec 2015	#50
Kinda like Bernie supporters are doing now?	Tommy2Tone	Dec 2015	#57
Noonan ignored the empirical data and embraced the normative data and consequently made a fool ...	DemocratSinceBirth	Dec 2015	#59
Bernie Gaining Ground FAst in Iowa!	CorporatistNation	Dec 2015	#66
Extreme contrasts?	Tommy2Tone	Dec 2015	#74
Moderate just doesn't grab people	AgingAmerican	Dec 2015	#45
At least trumad's daughter	UglyGreed	Dec 2015	#47
Bernie had more than that in Iowa--last July!	CoffeeCat	Dec 2015	#51
to be fair if there is not hurricane there isn't much need for a weathervane	2pooped2pop	Dec 2015	#52
What's laughable is Bernie is getting his ass kicked everywhere.	Tommy2Tone	Dec 2015	#56
"Now you guys are working for Trump"? What a stupid comment.	arcane1	Dec 2015	#58
The post was framed with Trump getting huge crowds and Hillary with 600	Tommy2Tone	Dec 2015	#62
Working for Trump?	Politicalboi	Dec 2015	#60
You been smoking too much of your avatar sparky.	Tommy2Tone	Dec 2015	#63
They sure do get angry, don't they? n/t	arcane1	Dec 2015	#65
Is your op pro Trump, anti Clinton, or both? Nt	NCTraveler	Dec 2015	#64
Not anti Clinton, nor a Trump supporter. Just reporting news how campaigns are going in fla	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#67
You hit it all. Well done. Lol nt	NCTraveler	Dec 2015	#68
Yes well done	UglyGreed	Dec 2015	#72
Thank you very much!	ViseGrip	Dec 2015	#76

Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:56 PM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

1. I cam in ready to snark at Florida...

And I'll still do that, Florida is Texas with more alligators and fewer excuses...

But ya just have to blink at the wrong voting day thing. I mean it's not a big thing at all, but... c'mon. Drink some coffee!

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:00 AM

Cassiopeia (2,603 posts)

23. Some of us down here in FL are working damn hard for Bernie.

Right now our focus on making sure supporters are registered as Dems so they can participate in the primary.

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Response to Cassiopeia (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:32 AM

Scootaloo (25,699 posts)

27. I know. It's just that low-hanging fruit is hard to resist.

I spent too much time in Pensacola growing up to deny the urge to elbow Florida

Seriously, keep up the work, it's hard and thankless, and I guess being in Florida doesn't make it any goddamned easier.

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Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:56 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

2. Since Hillary's poll numbers are higher than Trumps, he can continue to turn thousands, I will

take the poll numbers.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:06 AM

reformist2 (9,841 posts)

5. The lack of enthusiasm for Hillary everywhere should alarm democrats everywhere.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:24 AM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

7. She is running her campaign her way, Trump is running his another

Her poll numbers says her campaign is working. BTW, she doesn't give speeches in the same manner Trump is, I prefer Hillary's way. Besides she is running as a DNC candidate.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:34 AM

jeff47 (26,549 posts)

9. And absolutely none of that addresses the low enthusiasm.

We need lots of extremely enthusiastic voters to drive turnout. Clinton only getting 600 is a gigantic red flag with a flashing red light on the flagpole and a siren going off.

Low turnout means the polls you are so enamored of are meaningless - their "likely voter" model assumes good turnout.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:57 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

11. Exactly. 600 people? That's anemic!

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:20 AM

Aerows (39,961 posts)

35. Precisely. n/t

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:35 AM

leftofcool (19,460 posts)

36. I found this same post guess where?

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:13 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

53. The Hillary Group?

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:11 PM

Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)

46. No Hillary does not need to run around with her hair on fire.

Her supporters knows her positions, and it is not necessary to have the 'big' turnouts, she is still listening to voters and not having the voters only listen to her.

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Wed Dec 2, 2015, 11:58 PM

nc4bo (17,651 posts)

3. It is -what- it is. eom.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:03 AM

Ino (3,366 posts)

4. She prefers listening to people, doncha know?

That's what I've heard.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:12 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

6. Ya think? They reported in those links it's all the same mistakes as 2008

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:36 AM

Ino (3,366 posts)

10. She knows what she's doing!

Fundraising is more important than crowds. All your money belongs to her!
She probably chatted up some superdelegates. All your endorsements belong to her!
Bernie is not Obama! It's Hillary's turn for sure this time!
SCOTUS! SCOTUS! SCOTUS! All your votes belong to her!
First woman president! All women & girl childs belong to her!

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Response to Ino (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:21 AM

kath (10,565 posts)

13. HA! Nailed it. ALL in a few short SENTENCES.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:29 AM

CharlotteVale (2,717 posts)

15. Bwahahaha!

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:02 AM

tazkcmo (7,149 posts)

39. And

9/11

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:56 PM

Hiraeth (4,805 posts)

61. and New York. WALL STREET !!!

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 08:13 AM

reddread (6,896 posts)

69. 911!

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:39 AM

Hiraeth (4,805 posts)

70. I told Wall Street to cut it out !!

and she meant it. She really did!

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Response to Ino (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:08 AM

progree (10,509 posts)

34. She's a great listener and a very empathetic nodder, and nodder, and nodder

Nodding is over by 1:00. Rest is ancient political discussion from last June or so.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 12:26 AM

AtomicKitten (46,585 posts)

8. Her campaign is prepackaged pulp. Jon Stewart explains the difference between her & Bernie.

"Hillary Clinton has professional image handlers."

'We've all become so accustomed to stage-managed, focus group-driven candidates (Hillary) that authenticity (Bernie) comes across as lunacy."

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:05 AM

progree (10,509 posts)

33. Even PBS's Politics Monday panel agrees

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/2016-candidates-fundraising-war-chests/

SUSAN PAGE (USA Today): ... And, also, his (Bernie's) manner. She (Hillary) has got all kinds of problems in looking approachable and looking like she’s a fully-fledged human being. And he’s all — he’s just totally approachable. He’s 100 percent authentic, approachable Bernie Sanders. So I think the contrast is not helpful to her.

TAMARA KEITH (NPR): Yes.

GWEN IFILL: Go ahead.

TAMARA KEITH: I was just going to say that when I talk to people out when I’m reporting, they say things like, gosh, Bernie Sanders is just so real.

And it creates that contrast with Hillary Clinton, who has been in public life for so long. She’s had her picture taken so many times that she has that smile down just right. And Bernie is just out there being Bernie. And so it does create sort of a stylistic contrast for people.

Bif, Pow, Ouch,

Here's the video itself
Oh, start at about 3:00. But the goody above starts at 3:42, and is over at 4:21

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:16 PM

merrily (45,251 posts)

55. Stewart did that episode because the show's fans complained so much about how poorly he treated

Bernie all along.

I love Stewart's talent and genius, but he can kiss my ring for how he treated Bernie, right up until his last week.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:03 AM

CorporatistNation (2,546 posts)

12. Why Should Hillary Require a Campaign Presence in Florida...

When Hillary has all of that Wall Street and Corporate CA$H to buy votes with TV Commercials boatloads of mailbox stuffers for the lesser informed among us.

A candidate's background and actual personal/political history does in fact matter to many of us. There remains plenty of time for the voters to learn ALL of the FACTS on ALL of the candidates in the Primary for POTUS before making a final choice in the Democratic Primary Election for POTUS.

The General Election btw is currently underway, better known as The Democratic Primary in YOUR State... So who would YOU really rather have as POTUS... on 1/20/17? Encourage your Indy registered friends to change their registration for the Democratic Primary so that we can maximize turnout for the second coming of FDR!

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:29 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

16. ^^^this^^^

spot on.....

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:26 AM

askew (1,464 posts)

14. Not surprised. There is a serious enthusiam gap with Hillary.

There's a reason the Dem establishment cirlced the wagons around her and protected her. If it is was a competitve primary like in 2008, she'd lose again to a candidate who can inspire the base.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:36 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

19. It IS competitive. The reports are that Bernie is ahead of where Obama was at this time.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:33 AM

Divernan (15,480 posts)

28. Re: enthusiasm, HRC is deep in the negative numbers.

Bernie's campaign is like Snoopy doing his happy dance.

HRC's campaign is like Pigpen - a cloud of dust and dirt perpetually hovering overhead (Past/present/future scandals)

HRC's campaign also reminds me of Eyore on a bad day.

Eeyore: "I'd look on the bright side, if I could find it."
“I might have known,” said Eeyore. “After all, one can’t complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday. And was it last week or the week before that Rabbit bumped into me and said ‘Bother!’. The Social Round. Always something going on.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh

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Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:41 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

79. And now she's got a Rahm problem...

cross post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251874825

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:32 AM

jalan48 (13,692 posts)

17. If Hillary does win the Presidency who will really support her?

Like the saying goes, be careful what you wish for....

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:40 AM

Nyan (1,192 posts)

32. I know she's not gonna get cross-over votes from republicans

Republicans will most likely support whomever is their nominee. Even if they don't particularly care for their nominee, they will show up just to vote against her (Never underestimate how much republicans hate the Clintons). People on the left who are critically supporting Bernie will likely vote for Jill Stein or just stay home, because she doesn't represent their values and they have no party loyalty. Bernie fans with party loyalty will be torn in between. But in any case, if she's the nominee, republicans will show up. And democrats won't. At least not enough to beat their nominee. But who knows? Maybe Trump doesn't get the nomination and runs as third party candidate, then there's a whole new game.

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Response to Nyan (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:51 AM

jalan48 (13,692 posts)

41. Actually, I was referring to after she is elected President, if she wins.

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 09:36 PM

Mike__M (1,052 posts)

78. It's inevitable

She'll have the support of all the enthusiastic young legislators that ride into Congress on her coattails. All of them. Count 'em. Count 'em now before they hatch.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:35 AM

jfern (5,204 posts)

18. That's in a metro area of 3 million

0.02% turnout is pretty weak.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:37 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

20. the Berning tsunami is coming.....

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:37 AM

SoapBox (18,791 posts)

21. She's always in hiding or hob-knobbing with the rich.

No big rallies...just the $XXXX per plate fundraisers or her invitation only/private conversations.

This is purposeful...to keep her hidden from big groups of the little people because they are going to be reminded of why they don't like her.

Her campaign must be so frick'n sure that they can buy a win, that they are not even worrying about the millions of voters.

That arrogance will be their undoing...again.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 01:41 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

22. For the area she had a 0.02 turnout. That's anemic.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:07 AM

Hepburn (21,054 posts)

44. Birds of a feather... n/t

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:16 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

54. This is also why there are few debates, and so late in the game n/t

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:17 AM

wouldsman (94 posts)

24. But, 9-11!

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:26 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

25. Funny...

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:28 AM

DonCoquixote (13,588 posts)

26. any Hillary slip in florida hurts more

because frankly, this is exactly the sort of crap Debbie Wassermann Schultz is supposed to Manage.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:41 AM

bvf (6,604 posts)

30. Please refrain from using the word

"manage" in the same sentence as "Debbie Wasserman Schultz" in this manner, although your point is taken.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:39 AM

Indepatriot (1,253 posts)

29. She prefers listening to small groups of her constituents ...

such as Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein...

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 03:24 AM

joshcryer (62,229 posts)

31. These are closed events.

Surprised she's stringing it out this long because she's going to want to have enthusiasm coming out of the primaries if she wins.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 07:37 AM

Aerows (39,961 posts)

37. Is there anyone who votes in the US

that is enthusiastic about her?

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 05:55 PM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

48. This was not closed, it was emailed to all! The fundraisers were closed to media. Not the rally.

Everyone was invited. Even me....cuz I signed up to watch campaign. Nice spin.

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 11:07 AM

joshcryer (62,229 posts)

73. What I mean is they had a low fixed limit.

Did you attempt to go?

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:55 AM

book_worm (15,951 posts)

38. Yeah it was said that McGovern's crowds were bigger in 1972 than Nixon's, too

crowd's don't mean anything except to give some losing campaigns a talking point.

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 10:57 AM

Robbins (5,066 posts)

71. and obama got large crowds and he won

but keep up that memo.

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:02 PM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

75. McGovern and Nixon?

Are you saying Hillary is like Nixon?

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Fri Dec 4, 2015, 02:53 PM

frylock (34,825 posts)

77. Some people say...

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:20 AM

DemocratSinceBirth (99,152 posts)

40. I need to bookmark this

11:35 am ET
Nov 5, 2012 UNCATEGORIZED
Monday Morning

But to the election. Who knows what to make of the weighting of the polls and the assumptions as to who will vote? Who knows the depth and breadth of each party’s turnout efforts? Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate, who said, in a conversation the night before the last presidential debate, that he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we don’t know about.

I think they are and I think it’s this: a Romney win.

...

Romney’s crowds are building—28,000 in Morrisville, Pa., last night; 30,000 in West Chester, Ohio, Friday It isn’t only a triumph of advance planning: People came, they got through security and waited for hours in the cold. His rallies look like rallies now, not enactments. In some new way he’s caught his stride. He looks happy and grateful. His closing speech has been positive, future-looking, sweetly patriotic. His closing ads are sharp—the one about what’s going on at the rallies is moving.

...

Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.

There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.

...

I suspect both Romney and Obama have a sense of what’s coming, and it’s part of why Romney looks so peaceful and Obama so roiled.

http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:00 PM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

49. Romney's problems came when everyone heard how he really felt about 50% of citizens via cell phone

video released by Carter's grandson. Nothing to do with crowds who turn out and don't vote. Romney was ruined in that private event with the cell phone taping. Remember that?????

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:05 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (99,152 posts)

50. The point was Peggy Noonan wrote that the day before the election...

The point was Peggy Noonan wrote that the day before the election and ignored every indicator that conflicted with her world view and embraced every subjective indicator that confirmed it, and consequently made a fool out of herself.What part of that don't you understand?

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:27 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

57. Kinda like Bernie supporters are doing now?

Thought so.

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:36 PM

DemocratSinceBirth (99,152 posts)

59. Noonan ignored the empirical data and embraced the normative data and consequently made a fool ...

Noonan ignored the empirical data and embraced the normative data and consequently made a fool of herself.

Yard signs -Check
Crowds - Check
Hunches -Check

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Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:01 PM

CorporatistNation (2,546 posts)

66. Bernie Gaining Ground FAst in Iowa!

Plenty of time for the Facts/Truth to come out on Hillary as the people become better acquainted with the extreme contrasts on every level between herself and Bernard....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html

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Response to CorporatistNation (Reply #66)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:02 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

74. Extreme contrasts?

They voted together 93% of the time. You guys need to get a new act.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 11:10 AM

AgingAmerican (12,958 posts)

45. Moderate just doesn't grab people

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 02:18 PM

UglyGreed (7,661 posts)

47. At least trumad's daughter

had a wonderful opportunity to get a photo with HRC. I hope they post it here at DU.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:08 PM

CoffeeCat (24,411 posts)

51. Bernie had more than that in Iowa--last July!

Seriously....

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:09 PM

2pooped2pop (5,420 posts)

52. to be fair if there is not hurricane there isn't much need for a weathervane

in Florida.

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:25 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

56. What's laughable is Bernie is getting his ass kicked everywhere.

and his fans are here patting each other on the back. Now you guys are working for Trump. I guess losing is fun to this group?

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:33 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

58. "Now you guys are working for Trump"? What a stupid comment.

A desperate one as well

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #58)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:28 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

62. The post was framed with Trump getting huge crowds and Hillary with 600

and why would I be desperate? It's your guy who's fucking losing.

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Response to Tommy2Tone (Reply #56)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 06:53 PM

Politicalboi (15,189 posts)

60. Working for Trump?

You're laughable. Hillary already knows about losing, so it won't be so hard for her this time either.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:30 PM

Tommy2Tone (1,307 posts)

63. You been smoking too much of your avatar sparky.

Hillary is smoking..pun intended..Bernie big time. But you go ahead and have another toke and dream of shit that ain't happening.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:48 PM

arcane1 (38,613 posts)

65. They sure do get angry, don't they? n/t

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Response to ViseGrip (Original post)

Thu Dec 3, 2015, 09:33 PM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)

64. Is your op pro Trump, anti Clinton, or both? Nt

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #64)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 12:25 AM

ViseGrip (3,133 posts)

67. Not anti Clinton, nor a Trump supporter. Just reporting news how campaigns are going in fla

Only a couple of candidates have been here. Big contrast between Trump and Clinton. We'll see when the others finally come.

Any analysis on DU and a few facts, and you're anti? Florida sees the same mistakes being made as in 2008. All the links are there. Should we just ignore it? If Hillary is the nominee, she is going to have to step up her game, and it's constructive to look at all the facts. I see so many Hillary supporters who want to ignore things, instead of speaking out, and letting the campaign know. She will have trouble in the general in fla if this keeps up. Just an observation. Nice try, to pack me in a negative shell, trump supporter or anti Clinton.
I want to support her if she wins....but it's people like you that make others want to sit it out. If you can't take a 'contest', why don't you go away and come back when it's all over?

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Response to ViseGrip (Reply #67)

Fri Dec 4, 2015, 04:25 AM

NCTraveler (30,481 posts)