Days after Donald Trump drew thousands to a rally in Sarasota, Clinton's crowd numbered roughly 600.

[ViseGrip]

Huh? This is Florida, the third largest state. Six hundred? My friend got an invite several days ago. Hillary was in town for five or six fundraisers over two days it appears, and added a rally in the center of the state. They report that the crowd that came was enthusiastic.

But only 600?

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/hillary-clinton-fires-up-enthusiastic-crowd-in-orlando/2256228

Then it's reported that she told Floridians to get out and vote on the wrong day!

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/hillary-clinton-urges-florida-democrats-to-vote---on-the-wrong-day/2256176

It was also written just yesterday, "Where is the Hillary Clinton campaign in Florida?"
and The most striking thing about Hillary Clinton's Florida campaign is how little it's doing..

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/wheres-hillary-clintons-fla-campaign/2256110

THIS IS NOT A GOOD SIGN.

And 600 people?????

[Scootaloo]

1. I cam in ready to snark at Florida...

And I'll still do that, Florida is Texas with more alligators and fewer excuses...

But ya just have to blink at the wrong voting day thing. I mean it's not a big thing at all, but... c'mon. Drink some coffee!

[Cassiopeia]

23. Some of us down here in FL are working damn hard for Bernie.

Right now our focus on making sure supporters are registered as Dems so they can participate in the primary.

[Scootaloo]

27. I know. It's just that low-hanging fruit is hard to resist.

I spent too much time in Pensacola growing up to deny the urge to elbow Florida

Seriously, keep up the work, it's hard and thankless, and I guess being in Florida doesn't make it any goddamned easier.

[Thinkingabout]

2. Since Hillary's poll numbers are higher than Trumps, he can continue to turn thousands, I will

take the poll numbers.

[reformist2]

5. The lack of enthusiasm for Hillary everywhere should alarm democrats everywhere.

[Thinkingabout]

7. She is running her campaign her way, Trump is running his another

Her poll numbers says her campaign is working. BTW, she doesn't give speeches in the same manner Trump is, I prefer Hillary's way. Besides she is running as a DNC candidate.

[jeff47]

9. And absolutely none of that addresses the low enthusiasm.

We need lots of extremely enthusiastic voters to drive turnout. Clinton only getting 600 is a gigantic red flag with a flashing red light on the flagpole and a siren going off.

Low turnout means the polls you are so enamored of are meaningless - their "likely voter" model assumes good turnout.

[ViseGrip]

11. Exactly. 600 people? That's anemic!

[Aerows]

35. Precisely. n/t

[leftofcool]

36. I found this same post guess where?

[merrily]

53. The Hillary Group?

[Thinkingabout]

46. No Hillary does not need to run around with her hair on fire.

Her supporters knows her positions, and it is not necessary to have the 'big' turnouts, she is still listening to voters and not having the voters only listen to her.

[nc4bo]

3. It is -what- it is. eom.

[Ino]

4. She prefers listening to people, doncha know?

That's what I've heard.

[ViseGrip]

6. Ya think? They reported in those links it's all the same mistakes as 2008

[Ino]

10. She knows what she's doing!

Fundraising is more important than crowds. All your money belongs to her!
She probably chatted up some superdelegates. All your endorsements belong to her!
Bernie is not Obama! It's Hillary's turn for sure this time!
SCOTUS! SCOTUS! SCOTUS! All your votes belong to her!
First woman president! All women & girl childs belong to her!

[kath]

13. HA! Nailed it. ALL in a few short SENTENCES.

[CharlotteVale]

15. Bwahahaha!

[tazkcmo]

39. And

9/11

[Hiraeth]

61. and New York. WALL STREET !!!

[reddread]

69. 911!

[Hiraeth]

70. I told Wall Street to cut it out !!

and she meant it. She really did!

[progree]

34. She's a great listener and a very empathetic nodder, and nodder, and nodder

Nodding is over by 1:00. Rest is ancient political discussion from last June or so.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Her campaign is prepackaged pulp. Jon Stewart explains the difference between her & Bernie.

"Hillary Clinton has professional image handlers."

'We've all become so accustomed to stage-managed, focus group-driven candidates (Hillary) that authenticity (Bernie) comes across as lunacy."

[progree]

33. Even PBS's Politics Monday panel agrees

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/2016-candidates-fundraising-war-chests/

SUSAN PAGE (USA Today): ... And, also, his (Bernie's) manner. She (Hillary) has got all kinds of problems in looking approachable and looking like she’s a fully-fledged human being. And he’s all — he’s just totally approachable. He’s 100 percent authentic, approachable Bernie Sanders. So I think the contrast is not helpful to her.

TAMARA KEITH (NPR): Yes.

GWEN IFILL: Go ahead.

TAMARA KEITH: I was just going to say that when I talk to people out when I’m reporting, they say things like, gosh, Bernie Sanders is just so real.

And it creates that contrast with Hillary Clinton, who has been in public life for so long. She’s had her picture taken so many times that she has that smile down just right. And Bernie is just out there being Bernie. And so it does create sort of a stylistic contrast for people.

Bif, Pow, Ouch,

Here's the video itself
Oh, start at about 3:00. But the goody above starts at 3:42, and is over at 4:21

[merrily]

55. Stewart did that episode because the show's fans complained so much about how poorly he treated

Bernie all along.

I love Stewart's talent and genius, but he can kiss my ring for how he treated Bernie, right up until his last week.

[CorporatistNation]

12. Why Should Hillary Require a Campaign Presence in Florida...

When Hillary has all of that Wall Street and Corporate CA$H to buy votes with TV Commercials boatloads of mailbox stuffers for the lesser informed among us.

A candidate's background and actual personal/political history does in fact matter to many of us. There remains plenty of time for the voters to learn ALL of the FACTS on ALL of the candidates in the Primary for POTUS before making a final choice in the Democratic Primary Election for POTUS.

The General Election btw is currently underway, better known as The Democratic Primary in YOUR State... So who would YOU really rather have as POTUS... on 1/20/17? Encourage your Indy registered friends to change their registration for the Democratic Primary so that we can maximize turnout for the second coming of FDR!

[ViseGrip]

16. ^^^this^^^

spot on.....

[askew]

14. Not surprised. There is a serious enthusiam gap with Hillary.

There's a reason the Dem establishment cirlced the wagons around her and protected her. If it is was a competitve primary like in 2008, she'd lose again to a candidate who can inspire the base.

[ViseGrip]

19. It IS competitive. The reports are that Bernie is ahead of where Obama was at this time.

[Divernan]

28. Re: enthusiasm, HRC is deep in the negative numbers.

Bernie's campaign is like Snoopy doing his happy dance.

HRC's campaign is like Pigpen - a cloud of dust and dirt perpetually hovering overhead (Past/present/future scandals)

HRC's campaign also reminds me of Eyore on a bad day.

Eeyore: "I'd look on the bright side, if I could find it."
“I might have known,” said Eeyore. “After all, one can’t complain. I have my friends. Somebody spoke to me only yesterday. And was it last week or the week before that Rabbit bumped into me and said ‘Bother!’. The Social Round. Always something going on.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh

[ViseGrip]

79. And now she's got a Rahm problem...

cross post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251874825

[jalan48]

17. If Hillary does win the Presidency who will really support her?

Like the saying goes, be careful what you wish for....

[Nyan]

32. I know she's not gonna get cross-over votes from republicans

Republicans will most likely support whomever is their nominee. Even if they don't particularly care for their nominee, they will show up just to vote against her (Never underestimate how much republicans hate the Clintons). People on the left who are critically supporting Bernie will likely vote for Jill Stein or just stay home, because she doesn't represent their values and they have no party loyalty. Bernie fans with party loyalty will be torn in between. But in any case, if she's the nominee, republicans will show up. And democrats won't. At least not enough to beat their nominee. But who knows? Maybe Trump doesn't get the nomination and runs as third party candidate, then there's a whole new game.

[jalan48]

41. Actually, I was referring to after she is elected President, if she wins.

[Mike__M]

78. It's inevitable

She'll have the support of all the enthusiastic young legislators that ride into Congress on her coattails. All of them. Count 'em. Count 'em now before they hatch.

[jfern]

18. That's in a metro area of 3 million

0.02% turnout is pretty weak.

[ViseGrip]

20. the Berning tsunami is coming.....

[SoapBox]

21. She's always in hiding or hob-knobbing with the rich.

No big rallies...just the $XXXX per plate fundraisers or her invitation only/private conversations.

This is purposeful...to keep her hidden from big groups of the little people because they are going to be reminded of why they don't like her.

Her campaign must be so frick'n sure that they can buy a win, that they are not even worrying about the millions of voters.

That arrogance will be their undoing...again.

[ViseGrip]

22. For the area she had a 0.02 turnout. That's anemic.

[Hepburn]

44. Birds of a feather... n/t

[arcane1]

54. This is also why there are few debates, and so late in the game n/t

[wouldsman]

24. But, 9-11!

[ViseGrip]

25. Funny...

[DonCoquixote]

26. any Hillary slip in florida hurts more

because frankly, this is exactly the sort of crap Debbie Wassermann Schultz is supposed to Manage.

[bvf]

30. Please refrain from using the word

"manage" in the same sentence as "Debbie Wasserman Schultz" in this manner, although your point is taken.

[Indepatriot]

29. She prefers listening to small groups of her constituents ...

such as Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein...

[joshcryer]

31. These are closed events.

Surprised she's stringing it out this long because she's going to want to have enthusiasm coming out of the primaries if she wins.

[Aerows]

37. Is there anyone who votes in the US

that is enthusiastic about her?

[ViseGrip]

48. This was not closed, it was emailed to all! The fundraisers were closed to media. Not the rally.

Everyone was invited. Even me....cuz I signed up to watch campaign. Nice spin.

[joshcryer]

73. What I mean is they had a low fixed limit.

Did you attempt to go?

[book_worm]

38. Yeah it was said that McGovern's crowds were bigger in 1972 than Nixon's, too

crowd's don't mean anything except to give some losing campaigns a talking point.

[Robbins]

71. and obama got large crowds and he won

but keep up that memo.

[AgingAmerican]

75. McGovern and Nixon?

Are you saying Hillary is like Nixon?

[frylock]

77. Some people say...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. I need to bookmark this

11:35 am ET
Nov 5, 2012 UNCATEGORIZED
Monday Morning



But to the election. Who knows what to make of the weighting of the polls and the assumptions as to who will vote? Who knows the depth and breadth of each party’s turnout efforts? Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate, who said, in a conversation the night before the last presidential debate, that he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we don’t know about.

I think they are and I think it’s this: a Romney win.

...

Romney’s crowds are building—28,000 in Morrisville, Pa., last night; 30,000 in West Chester, Ohio, Friday It isn’t only a triumph of advance planning: People came, they got through security and waited for hours in the cold. His rallies look like rallies now, not enactments. In some new way he’s caught his stride. He looks happy and grateful. His closing speech has been positive, future-looking, sweetly patriotic. His closing ads are sharp—the one about what’s going on at the rallies is moving.


...

Is it possible this whole thing is playing out before our eyes and we’re not really noticing because we’re too busy looking at data on paper instead of what’s in front of us? Maybe that’s the real distortion of the polls this year: They left us discounting the world around us.

There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.


...

I suspect both Romney and Obama have a sense of what’s coming, and it’s part of why Romney looks so peaceful and Obama so roiled.



http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/

[ViseGrip]

49. Romney's problems came when everyone heard how he really felt about 50% of citizens via cell phone

video released by Carter's grandson. Nothing to do with crowds who turn out and don't vote. Romney was ruined in that private event with the cell phone taping. Remember that?????

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. The point was Peggy Noonan wrote that the day before the election...

The point was Peggy Noonan wrote that the day before the election and ignored every indicator that conflicted with her world view and embraced every subjective indicator that confirmed it, and consequently made a fool out of herself.What part of that don't you understand?

[Tommy2Tone]

57. Kinda like Bernie supporters are doing now?

Thought so.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. Noonan ignored the empirical data and embraced the normative data and consequently made a fool ...

Noonan ignored the empirical data and embraced the normative data and consequently made a fool of herself.

Yard signs -Check
Crowds - Check
Hunches -Check

[CorporatistNation]

66. Bernie Gaining Ground FAst in Iowa!

Plenty of time for the Facts/Truth to come out on Hillary as the people become better acquainted with the extreme contrasts on every level between herself and Bernard....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html

[Tommy2Tone]

74. Extreme contrasts?

They voted together 93% of the time. You guys need to get a new act.

[AgingAmerican]

45. Moderate just doesn't grab people

[UglyGreed]

47. At least trumad's daughter

had a wonderful opportunity to get a photo with HRC. I hope they post it here at DU.

[CoffeeCat]

51. Bernie had more than that in Iowa--last July!

Seriously....

[2pooped2pop]

52. to be fair if there is not hurricane there isn't much need for a weathervane

in Florida.

[Tommy2Tone]

56. What's laughable is Bernie is getting his ass kicked everywhere.

and his fans are here patting each other on the back. Now you guys are working for Trump. I guess losing is fun to this group?

[arcane1]

58. "Now you guys are working for Trump"? What a stupid comment.

A desperate one as well

[Tommy2Tone]

62. The post was framed with Trump getting huge crowds and Hillary with 600

and why would I be desperate? It's your guy who's fucking losing.

[Politicalboi]

60. Working for Trump?

You're laughable. Hillary already knows about losing, so it won't be so hard for her this time either.

[Tommy2Tone]

63. You been smoking too much of your avatar sparky.

Hillary is smoking..pun intended..Bernie big time. But you go ahead and have another toke and dream of shit that ain't happening.

[arcane1]

65. They sure do get angry, don't they? n/t

[NCTraveler]

64. Is your op pro Trump, anti Clinton, or both? Nt

[ViseGrip]

67. Not anti Clinton, nor a Trump supporter. Just reporting news how campaigns are going in fla

Only a couple of candidates have been here. Big contrast between Trump and Clinton. We'll see when the others finally come.

Any analysis on DU and a few facts, and you're anti? Florida sees the same mistakes being made as in 2008. All the links are there. Should we just ignore it? If Hillary is the nominee, she is going to have to step up her game, and it's constructive to look at all the facts. I see so many Hillary supporters who want to ignore things, instead of speaking out, and letting the campaign know. She will have trouble in the general in fla if this keeps up. Just an observation. Nice try, to pack me in a negative shell, trump supporter or anti Clinton.
I want to support her if she wins....but it's people like you that make others want to sit it out. If you can't take a 'contest', why don't you go away and come back when it's all over?

[NCTraveler]

68. You hit it all. Well done. Lol nt

[UglyGreed]

72. Yes well done

[ViseGrip]

76. Thank you very much!

I can see for miles and miles.....