You can't have it both ways. MLK VS Rosa Parks.

[Bonobo]

What really else is there to say?

Hypocrisy is so unbecoming.

[AtomicKitten]

1. The timing was spectacular.

On the heels of a weeklong lecture on MLK/Bernie, it was hilarious.

[Bonobo]

2. Yes. It was.

It is pretty fucking funny.

[Segami]

111. +1

You hit that on the nail head......

[demwing]

126. You've misspelled

The word is "Hillaryous"

[TM99]

3. I have lost count

of the number of times I see blatant irony and hypocrisy with that crowd.

[KittyWampus]

88. You must mean the Bernie Crowd. 85% of DU'ers yet they complain they're being victimized

LOL

[TM99]

96. It is the 15%

that are the hypocrites.

Sorry the truth hurts sometimes.

[joshcryer]

4. Several AA DUers have expressed misgivings in the Rosa Parks logo fiasco.

Don't box people in.

[Bonobo]

6. Not boxing anyone in at all.

Just saying you can't have it both ways to the people that are, umm, having it both ways.

[joshcryer]

7. Yes you are.

Those "having it both ways" are in a minority. As usual, the DU AA community is being directly targeted by baseless smears.

You won't even attempt to disprove this. And yes, you could attempt it, but you'll claim it's against the TOS or some other such weak claim. In reality the vast majority of DU's AA posters wouldn't qualify for your hateful generalization.

Difference between you and me? If I was going to make a charged generalization, I'd provide copious proof.

[Bonobo]

18. I wasn't even thinking of the AA posters when I wrote this OP.

There are plenty of people having it both ways. Do your own research.

[joshcryer]

63. And that's your problem.

Unless you are blind, you know that this is an issue AA posters are looking at. Again, another OP directed squarely at DU's AA posters. You know it's true. You know it. Fuck me. I can't respond. My hands are tied. Just another bullshit thread I literally cannot respond to. Congrats, you win. Fuck it. Fuck me. I lose.

[yardwork]

100. Josh, don't let them upset you.

They're anonymous posters on a message board. We don't even know if anybody is who they say they are. In any case, people behave here in ways that they might not in real life, or maybe they're complete jerks (or worse) in real life too.

The hypocrisy and blatant racism is here for all to see. We don't have to get hides to refute it. The ugly posts speak for themselves. Let them own it.

[skepticscott]

107. Jury results

Some folk need to get lives and a thicker skin:

On Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:50 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Josh, don't let them upset you.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=869541

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Baseless accusation that the OP and others on this thread are racist.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 3, 2015, 10:55 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Give me a break. Leave
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop trying to shut down discussion and engage instead..no individual has been called a racist here, so grow a thicker skin.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Far from baseless but this poster is not directly accusing the OP. She is pointing out her general observation about DU lately.

[CreekDog]

115. Of course you weren't thinking of African Americans

Why would you think of them when invoking some of the most important figures in their fight for civil rights?

[merrily]

9. The OP did not even mention DU's African American members, why did you?

The attempt to have things both ways is not a characteristic of African Americans or limited to African Americans. Double standards, however, are blatant among a portion of DU's supporters of Secretary Clinton, regardless of race, religion, etc. Seems as though you are the categorizing behavior by race, not the OP.

[Enthusiast]

10. Huge +1!

[merrily]

11. Thanks. I look forward to the day when we can talk about people, Democrats, etc. without

always breaking it down into race, religion (or in the case of Jews, some combination of DNA and religion), etc.

I realize that some topics, like police violence and the Prison Industrial Complex impact African Americans and Hispanics much, much more than other groups and, sure, talking about race in those kinds of contexts makes a hell of a lot more sense than saying "All lives matter," which is crap. However, divide and rule or divide and conquer is one of the oldest games in the book for keeping all of us down. We need to be smarter than that and better than knee jerk categorizing.

[Divernan]

12. Right on, Merrily!

[merrily]

23. Thank you.

[Bonobo]

20. Thanks. Just read this after I replied to JoshCryer. nt

[merrily]

21. You're welcome, but I did not post that as a favor to you. It's just true.

[Bonobo]

24. I understand. You're right.

It was a bizarre reading of my OP no doubt.

Usually such things reflect where the person that wrote it is "at". I wonder what is going on in there.

[merrily]

25. Yep, a bizarre reading of your OP.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. Nor does the OP mention a candidate for the Democratic nomination ...

So why does this OP reside in DU:GD-P?

[morningfog]

72. Hillary Clinton's official campaign used an image of Rosa Parks.

Of course Bernie has not done the same, but still it is GDP material.

[MrWendel]

93. No...

Bernie was just compared to the next Martin Luther King, but hey that was just far and accurate.

[morningfog]

95. Not by Bernie Sanders. Why can't you understand that important differnce?

[merrily]

105. Bernie was compared to the next MLK? I call bs. Link?

[Mnpaul]

135. It's a gross distortion

don't expect them to back it up.

Bernie is the best candidate to carry on MLK's fight and work for the same goals.

May 1965 speech to the Negro American Labor Council:

“There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism. Call it what you may, call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all of God's children."

[merrily]

136. Some sure do seem to specialize in, and excel at, gross distortions.

[merrily]

101. I replied to you on this point elsewhere and I am neither the OP nor a host of this group.

So, why are you asking me again?

[merrily]

102. Why ask me? I am not the OP, not a host of GD:P and not an admin.

I had as little to do with putting this thread here as you did. However, see Reply 42.

[Autumn]

104. For the same reason this OP resides in DU:GD-P?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251848533

Surely you didn't have a problem with that one did you?

[1StrongBlackMan]

106. it shouldn't be here, either ...

ETA: I hadn't noticed that it was in this forum.

[Autumn]

108. Well the hosts decided it fit GDP and allowed it. I know that for a fact because I sent an SOP

alert on that OP to the hosts group.

[yardwork]

98. Maybe because the post is about two iconic African American civil rights heroes.

It's disingenuous to pretend that this isn't directed at African American supporters of Hillary Clinton.

It's another in a long line of posts here attempting to bully members of a minority group into doing what the white majority decides is best.

More white privilege in action.

[merrily]

99. The Parks campaign button just came out and Parks is one of my heroes. So is MLK.

African Americans were certainly not the only ones complaining about associating Bernie with MLK, nor were all African Americans doing that. Neither are only African Americans praising Hillary for the Rosa Parks logo, nor are all African Americans praising her for it. It was a group of Hillary supporters in both instances, period.

You are way off base saying I am pretending. WAY OFF.

[LanternWaste]

116. Once the mind realizes that implicit references and "mentioning" a thing

Once the mind realizes that implicit references and "mentioning" a thing are simply six of one and half a dozen of the other, that mind becomes a little more rational and objective.

Hopefully.

[Scuba]

5. Hypocrisy is a core value for neo-libs.

[NCTraveler]

118. No joke. They are going as far as to pull out the daily caller and Lewinsky.

Any port......

[merrily]

8. It's not the same though.

1. Bernie risked his life as a civil rights and poverty activist at the same time as MLK. Nothing comparable via a vis Hillary and Parks.
2. Bernie actually marched with MLK. Hillary never rode the bus with Parks.
3. Bernie did not attempt to exploit or "own" MLK in his campaign shirts, logo, etc. Hillary has.

It's not the same at all, yet Hillary's logo is supposed to be just great while even mentioning Bernie, activism and/or MLK in the same post is supposed to be a violation of some kind, maybe even racist.

I keep saying that the double standards are a joke and that could not be clearer. Just smile, nod and wave and move on.

[JaneyVee]

14. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Bernie risked his life?? First, there is no proof he ever marched. Second, he fled to Vermont during the height of civil rights movement.

[merrily]

16. Yes, he did risk his life while an activist in Chicago. "Fled" to Vermont. LOL, he moved there.

Please, Janey, don't discredit yourself more than necessary. Educate yourself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12809672

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128017387

Now, I'll wait for posts about Hillary's activism, how she risked her life and reputation during the struggle.

Attacking Bernie on Hillary's weaknesses only shows where he did better than she did. Y'all probably should spend less time doing that.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=74854

[JaneyVee]

17. Hillary was 15 during Civil Rights....

[merrily]

19. You don't care to educate yourself & the civil rights era lasted a hell of a lot longer than 1 year.

Until at least 1965. Besides, wasn't she working for Goldwater at around 15? Could just as easily have been working for civil rights or something or someone a hell of a lot better than that racist.

[JaneyVee]

34. Actually she was desegregating churches in the south as a teen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251703663

[merrily]

37. Do we really have anyone's word on that, other than Hillary's?

[JaneyVee]

46. Did you read the part about...

1965? It quotes her friend as well:




Do you have proof Bernie "marched with MLK"?

[merrily]

47. Her friend Don Jones?

[JaneyVee]

53. It says Karen Williamson.

Any eyewitnesses to Bernie marching? Anyone?

[merrily]

56. Remind me: What did Karen Williamson say about Hillary's integrating churches?

[JaneyVee]

61. "All Black students felt they had a friendship with Hillary..."

"We felt she would be the first woman president".

[merrily]

64. So, nothing at all do with "integrating churches" at 15 by taking a friend with her? Thanks

[JaneyVee]

66. Karen Williamson was one of the friends she took to church.

[merrily]

68. Again, Williamson said nothing at all about that.

BTW, you know taking a friend to your own church is not the same as "desegregating churches?"

[libdem4life]

91. Driving people around at 15? I guess if she was 15 1/2 with a licensed rider. When was Goldwater?

[merrily]

94. In NJ, I had to be 16 to get a learner's permit and 17 to get a driver's license.

I don't know if the law has since changed. Again, I don't consider taking one friend to your own church "desegregating churches." I don't care if she grew wings and flew her friend there. However, the story says she was in Wellesley at the time, so college age and not when she was 15.

I don't know at which age she became a Goldwater Girl. The election was in 1964--soon after the assassination of JFK. However, she started working for Republicans when she was 13, for the 1960 election (so she first worked for Tricky Dick Nixon and against JFK).

Raised in a politically conservative household,[8] Rodham helped canvass Chicago's South Side at age thirteen following the very close 1960 U.S. presidential election, where she found evidence of electoral fraud against Republican candidate Richard Nixon.[15] She then volunteered to campaign for Republican candidate Barry Goldwater in the U.S. presidential election of 1964.[16] According to a biography by McGill University professor of history Gil Troy, Rodham's early political development was shaped most by her high school history teacher (like her father, a fervent anticommunist), who introduced her to Goldwater's The Conscience of a Conservative,[17] and by her Methodist youth minister (like her mother, concerned with issues of social justice), with whom she saw and met civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr. in Chicago in 1962.[18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

I certainly don't blame her for what she did at 13. I can chalk that up to her parents. However, even by my high school years, I would never have worked for anyone like Goldwater. Never. This business of she gets a pass, or laughably, credit for "desegregating churches," by bringing one friend to her own church, while Sanders is a worthless POS, even though he was an activist, is some of the worst crap I've ever seen by any sizeable group at DU.

[libdem4life]

110. I'm two years younger than Hillary, and was brought uo extremely Right Wing. I was a Nixon girl.

Then I went to a liberal arts college, learned to think for myself and have been a Democrat ever since. I don't fault her at all for that.

[merrily]

112. By high school, I would never have supported anyone like Goldwater.

Remember, he defended Jim Crow as a states rights issue.

However, during her liberal college years, she was still a Republican.

[George II]

114. So she saw MLK in 1962 and was desegregating churches in 1965? That means she...

....was younger than Sanders in both cases when he "participated" in the 1963 March on Washington.

Yep, the only reference I've been able to find, other than his own words, is that he "participated" in the march. Not that he marched "with" or that he marched at all! For all we know he could have been behind the police barricades watching the marchers as they passed.

In fact, we don't even know if he ever met MLK, even he doesn't make that claim.

[lunamagica]

130. And Hillary registered Latin voters in Texas as a young woman. I don't think she was very safe

that.

[Divernan]

97. Park Ridge/elitist/white Chicago suburb!Not"the south"

Wow, Janey! You win the internets' daily award for exaggeration!!!!!!!! Also for being geographically challenged! As in suburban Chicago is not the south.

ONE time, HRC took ONE classmate to a Sunday service at her family's own Methodist church in the snooty, country-club level Chicago suburb of Park Ridge. I looked up HRC's home address at that time on Zillow - homes there described as in a country-club type of neighborhood.

Oh my God!!!! The horrors!!!! The dangers!!!!! The threats of violence!!!!!! I mean rich white Methodists!!!!! Who knows what they might have done????

(Actually, my grandparents were Methodists - and they took me to their Methodist church when I visited - albeit their church was in a poor coal-mining community, not a wealthy suburb). I used to BEG them - please, grammy - not a Methodist Church! Can you at least get me body armor?

HRC probably only took her black classmate once because the black classmate found the services remarkably boring!


And yet Hillary survived - it was prequel to BOSNIA!

And you have the chutzpah to describe this single incident at her own family's church as "desegregating churches in the south as a teen".

Janey, Janey, Janey - get a grip!

[artislife]

79. She did risk her life and the life of her only child

When she went to Bosnia


heh.

[merrily]

80. Not to mention Sinbad's life. He still can't remember a thing about it. That's trauma!

Which Presidential hopeful have lied about something involving video footage? Only ones I know of so far are Hillary and Trump.

Any wonder why people doubt some of her stories that can neither be proven nor disproven, especially ones where her own version is internally inconsistent and/or implausible?

[artislife]

82. Lolz...

Which Presidentials hopeful have lied about something involving video footage? Only ones I know of so far are Hillary and Trump

Gold.

[lunamagica]

129. Andrew Goodman. Michael Schwerner. True heroes and martyrs of the Civil Righs movement

Did Sanders spent a Summer in the South registering voters? I didn't think so...

To put Sanders at the same level is just...

[merrily]

132. Sorry, but you have to follow the link I gave and read the material. It's clear he risked his life.

And that is not my word or his, but the word of someone who did the same kind of work in Chicago at the same time.

[lunamagica]

137. I read it, and please, it's not even close!

How can you compare activism in Chicago, to going into the Deep South to register voters?

There you see the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk

Oh, the police followed him one night!!! THEY ASKED FOR PAPERS!!! GASP!!!.

Ans then what happened? Nothing...because it was all talk. He was on the right side of it, but on the safer side too.

There's nothing wrong with that. But don't turn it into something bigger than it was.

Now, Schwerner, Goodman, and other like them went into the lions den to do some real work, work that would change history.

Registering AA voters in the Mississippi. There was true danger in that. They knew it, and went.

See the difference?

[merrily]

138. Boy, are you off on the wrong tangent. This is what I was referring to.

Warner C. White, a white minister who was a civil rights activist in Alabama and Mississippi, said during an interview:

North of the border

White's band of clergymen were never attacked. Did his skin color offer him protection?

"Oh no — I don't think so, at all," he said. "Lots of white people were attacked. Heavens: look at the number of murders there were back then."

Was he ever fearful for his safety?

"Yes, absolutely."

Where was that?

"Back in Chicago," White answered. "That's where I met the real hostility from whites."

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/news/

P.S. I made no comparison to registering voters in the South. You did, then accused me of it. However, the South was not the only dangerous place for activism then.

[lunamagica]

140. OK, sorry about that. My point still stands. Chicago and Mississip are worlds apart

[merrily]

141. Look at what I posted again. That minister had actually worked in Mississippi and in Chicago and

said that Chicago was more dangerous (more dangerous than Alabama, too). You, on the other hand, have been pulling stuff out of your ear, simply because you don't like Bernie. Let's see, who should I believe? An anonymous poster on DU pulling stuff out of her ear who won't give Bernie an inch, or the minister who actually worked in Chicago and Mississippi and Alabama during the same time Bernie was in SNCC in Chicago and who was simply telling his own story, without regard to Bernie?

[lunamagica]

142. Yeah, I pulled Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner out of my ear

They didn't exist. Their murders never happened.

OK

[merrily]

143. More bs. What you pulled out of your ear is that Chicago was nowhere near as dangerous

as Mississippi. The minister who worked in both said Chicago was more dangerous. You know very well what I meant, yet you tried to use Goodman and Schwerner that way. Shameful.

[lunamagica]

145. No, shameful is to try to put what Sanders did at the same level

as Goodman and Schwerner.

Shameful.

[merrily]

146. More bs. I did not do that. I quoted a minister activist about how dangerous Chicago was

in comparison to Mississippi and Alabama, something about which the minister knew and you don't.

[lunamagica]

127. Honestly, youd think they were talking about Andrew Goodman or Michael Schwerner

Two New Yorkers who actually risked and ultimately gave they lives when they went to the deep south to register voters.

It's insulting to their memories.

[George II]

36. He "risked his life"? That is hysterical! He was one of many who took part in a sit-in....

....in a college office. He was "arrested" and was fined TWENTY FIVE DOLLARS!

And other than his anecdotal "evidence", we know nothing else about Sanders marching with King.

We've seen a lot of stuff about what he did decades ago, very little about what he's done recently.

In fact, someone posted an article here last week claiming that Sanders' "civil rights" work began in the early '50s as a high school student. Either that was a blatant lie or Sanders was a terrible student - he graduated from high school in 1959!

Finally, when did Clinton "own" MLK in campaign shirts, logo, etc.? All she did was, for ONE day, have Rosa Parks on her logo as an anniversary TRIBUTE to her! It was gone in a day, it only appeared for that one anniversary day - a day that Clinton was the keynote speaker at the anniversary celebration in Montgomery.

Remember, she was invited to that ceremony and was the keynote speaker, Sanders wasn't. That should tell everyone something.

I know, I know, he had surgery that day - it was ELECTIVE surgery that he could have had done last week or next week. But no, the self-proclaimed civil rights activist who has based his campaign on a march 50+ years ago and some mythical civil rights record in Congress wasn't there.

I've asked this a dozen times, and will do it again - WHAT is Sanders' civil rights record in Congress? What major civil rights legislation has he authored and gotten passed? Again, I and others have asked this many times, still all we've gotten was the sound of crickets and "yea buts"!

[merrily]

67. OMG. His work in Chicago far exceeded a college sit in.

In Reply 16, I gave a link to a post I wrote that did in deed show that being an activist in Chicago at that time was life threatening. Apparently you did not follow the link.

And other than his anecdotal "evidence", we know nothing else about Sanders marching with King.

The same could be said about many of Hillary's stories, but marching with King is not all Sanders did. Does Hillary even claim to have been on the bus with Parks?

BTW, which bills or amendments of ANY kind did Hillary author and get passed that were not purely ceremonial?

As I posted to Janey in Reply 16:

Now, I'll wait for posts about Hillary's activism, how she risked her life and reputation during the struggle.

Attacking Bernie on Hillary's weaknesses only shows where he did better than she did. Y'all probably should spend less time doing that.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=74854

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

38. Thanks, I couldn't figure out what the OP was about until this comment.

I have so many of the Hillary folks on ignore that I hadn't seen anything about Rosa Parks.

[merrily]

40. You're welcome. LOL, you must have just about all of them on ignore.

There is something to be said for that, but I also like to know what is being said and by whom. So, I put only the ones who really trigger me on ignore. The ones who do nothing but hector me and other posters. Not very worried about missing their bs.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

48. My blood pressure is already too high as it is.

I don't need to see any of that.

[merrily]

59. Got it. Take care of yourself. You are a very valuable person.

[Dustlawyer]

65. I would add that Bernie has been under attack by Hillary for his Democratic Socialism and

MLK as he points out was in favor of it in the 60's. Hillary is just using Rosa Parks shamelessly! That is a uuuuge difference!

[George II]

113. "Under attack"? Quotes please.

[Android3.14]

13. There is a reason the HRC crowd refuses to engage in real debate

It's because they lose support from reasonable people.

The only thing that props them up is faux outrage, anger baiting, and corporate money.

[merrily]

26. Don't forget double standards!

[demwing]

128. And when there's none of the above to fall back on...

Just make some bullshit up right out of thin air.

[merrily]

133. Sure. That's the most creative of all and we all appreciate artistry.

[JaneyVee]

15. What does this OP mean?

[Bonobo]

22. I'm sorry you find it so impenetrable.

Others do not seem to have a problem understanding what it means.

I'm afraid there is little I could do to help you.

[merrily]

27. On target response.

I've been on a fishing boat, but I've never done any fishing myself. However, I imagine bait reeks.

[JaneyVee]

28. Some of us have careers, kids, and social life...

And aren't on here 24/7. If you can't explain your op then don't.

[Bonobo]

30. Janey, Janey, Janey...

You cannot disguise for one moment how MUCH time you spend here nor that you have been in those threads.

We both know that you know what this is about, but it is touchingly cute that you are trying to maintain that you do not.

Methinks thou protests too much.

[JaneyVee]

33. What does having it both ways mean?

And I barely spend time here. I post from my phone while doing other things.

[Bonobo]

35. It means that some people that spent a lot of effort talking about how

Bernie shouldn't talk about MLK seem to have no problem with turning Rosa Parks into a widget to be used in Hillary's logo.

[JaneyVee]

43. I still don't get it. But since you explained it...

It hardly seems worth the outrage.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. Better question ...

Why is it in DU:GD-P?

[merrily]

42. Where should Hillary's making Parks part of the Hillary primary campaign be posted, in your opinion?

[1StrongBlackMan]

44. Because those OPs are, at a minimum ...

About a candidate..

ETA for clarity: As opposed to an attempt to take a shot at partisan rivals.

BTW ... Black HRC supporters HAVE have expressed that using dead civil rights icons is an inappropriate misappropriation.

[merrily]

71. This OP is about two candidates. If you are saying it's meta than that, maybe I can

agree, but I think you're being mighty selective because there have been, and are, threads aplenty in GDP about the logo and also about what DUers have or have not said about the logo. Some of the OPs have been considerably nastier than this one.

I've alerted on disruptive meta maybe ten times. I have all but given up on that because nothing ever comes of my alerts.

[Buzz Clik]

32. Bernie exploitation of iconic figures: GOOD! HRC opportunism: BAD!

So, HRC, supporters, just step the hell back.

The Avid Sanders Supporters have the hypocrisy thing all wrappred up. Find your own gig.

[msrizzo]

39. Well at least there is photographic evidence

That Hillary got closer to Rosa Parks than Bernie did to MLK. There are at least two photos of them together on this Pinterest page and I could probably find more if I felt like doing an exhaustive search but I don't.

https://www.pinterest.com/419cj/rosa-parks/

[Buzz Clik]

49. Homage to an old friend. I really have no problem with that. However, ...

... if the logo continues to show up in her campaign, that would start to cross some lines.

[msrizzo]

58. I don't see it on her website.

Pretty sure it was just a thing for her visit to Alabama.

[Buzz Clik]

69. Exactly. In that context, I think it's fantastic.

[msrizzo]

74. Yes true.

However, I do want to say that I am not at all criticizing people who have some misgivings about it. Personally I'd like to dial down the outrage surrounding these references. I think that all candidates have stayed within bounds so far.

[merrily]

41. Hillary supporters attacking Bernie and his supporters over MLK went on for many months

BEFORE Hillary supporters were praising the new Rosa Parks logo. So you have it the wrong way round. It was Bernie, DISGUSTING for months before it was Hillary ADMIRABLE.

[Buzz Clik]

45. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Sorry, but the first hypocrite is merely the first, not the only one.

The second you criticized the Parks/HRC logo, you entered the world of hyprocrisy.

Ain't life a bummer? Just remember: "words have meaning." I promise.

[polly7]

50. .............

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Yes, words have meaning ................ your post using them, not so much.

[polly7]

55. Merrily does just fine, I was just laughing at the absurdity and childishness of your post.

Sue me.

[Buzz Clik]

70. You need another shovel?

[polly7]

73. I'd paste that on your desktop and read it a few times a day.

Seriously, the 'you did it first!!!' crap usually doesn't get used beyond elementary school. Read your post, then go beg, borrow or steal your own shovel. I don't need one for stating the obvious.

Hypocrisy is denying that your own act or that of someone you support is inoffensive after spending months whining about someone else whose only crime was that a supporter compared his views to a very respected man. [URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]


'Words have meaning' - trying to castigate merrily for pointing out the above is 'saying something stupid', and yeah .............. childish. Which is why I laughed.

[Buzz Clik]

75. ..

[polly7]

78. Awesome. Put that beside the other one. Maybe enlarge them so you don't miss them every time you

log on.

And you're very welcome ........ I'm helpful that way.

[Buzz Clik]

81. Your snark needs some serious work. It lacks teeth. However, I will grant you this:

[polly7]

83. It's not snark, it's truth. There's no way to work on it or give it teeth.

It is what it is.

[JaneyVee]

57. Any evidence Bernie "marched with MLK"?

[merrily]

60. What does that have to do with what I posted to Buzz?

[seabeyond]

62. Sanders words, in a crowd of 250k, he was way in the back of the crowd. Nt.

[merrily]

117. How close was Hillary to Parks on the bus?

[seabeyond]

119. She was honoring Parks on her day. Unlike Sanders being represented as the 2016 MLK

If there had not been the mess of Sanders owning MLK's legacy, no one would have batted an eye, thought it a nice tribute. Google put up the same kinda image of Parks on their logo on her day. To honor her, not own her words or actions.

I am betting Clinton has been more in touch with Parks, than Sanders with MLK.

[merrily]

120. Sorry, that was not the question.

[seabeyond]

123. No, of course it wasn't, lmao. And still it is my answer.

[merrily]

124. Non-sequiturs R Us!

[seabeyond]

125. Ya ya ya.

[Capt. Obvious]

139. That's rather coherent

[Autumn]

144. Hell I'd do the rec thing if it was an OP

[morningfog]

76. When did Bernie Sanders use an image of MLK?

Not anonymous supporters, but the campaign itself, as Hillary did with Parks.

[seabeyond]

51. "What really else is there to say?" Clinton has never declared herself a Rosa Parks,

Nor has her supporters. If Sanders had merely honored MLK, we would not be having this conversation.

[Buzz Clik]

54. Ouch.

That's gonna leave a mark.

[morningfog]

77. When did Sanders do more than honor MLK?

[Buzz Clik]

84. Let's talk about Bernie for a second:

He has repeatedly asked that his supporters act with dignity and be respectful to his opponents and their supporters. How's that going so far?

And the reason I ask is that MY complaint (and I speak for no one else) is that I really like Sanders but despise that venom that is being endlessly spewed by his DU fan club. So, to your question:

When did Sanders do more than honor MLK?

Never, but I cannot say the same for his supporters here at DU. Many of those screaming "hyprocrisy" are the same ones displaying that hideous "poster" that equates MLK and FDR to Sanders.

[morningfog]

86. Never. As for DU fan clubs, the venom flows both ways

in an ever increasing feedback cycle. And had nothing to do with either campaign. I support Bernie. I agree most with his positions. I items to vote for him. But I am not a follower. He speaks for himself, I speak for myself.

[Buzz Clik]

87. Many of your fellow travelers cannot distance themselves from the horrid behavior.

We'll let it go at that.

[KittyWampus]

90. His supporters have been repeatedly braying he marched w/MLK decades ago.

Ad nauseam. Like it was some kind of magical chant that would make up for Bernie's total lack of interest in "demographics" (his own choice of verbiage).

[polly7]

85. "If Sanders had merely honored MLK, we would not be having this conversation."

What did Sanders do 'beyond' merely honouring MLK?

[KittyWampus]

89. It'd be so easy to go through your past posts and point out your own hypocrisy...

But that's not my "thing", really. The sanctimonious crowd on DU are funny in a sad kind of way.

I am not a Hillary supporter but her logo honoring Rosa Parks to bring awareness to her was EXACTLY like Google doing the same with their logo.

Was it tasteless? Meh. Kind of, maybe, whatever.

However, there's a thing called CONTEXT.

If so many Bernie supporters hadn't spent the last several months:

brayed repeatedly about how he marched w/MLK decades ago,
ignored his campaigns glaring inability to reach out to A.A.'s,
lauded the DU'er who said A.A. voters have Stockholm Syndrome,
asserted A.A. are just choosing candidates on name recognition,
stalking A.A. DU'ers they don't agree with in the A.A. Forum,
trashing BLM….
And finally- MISREPRESENTING MLK's mission to make him into a Democratic Socialist working for economic justice.

Maybe that poster wouldn't have gone over like a lead balloon.

[libdem4life]

92. Personally I like the New Deal, The Fair Deal and the Real Deal. (as opposed to The Raw Deal).

That would be the Rs today.

But the Roosevelts and Bernie go together well. That's a good comparison, although photos of Civil Rights involvement seem to be available.

And even if not, the term Democratic Socialist came from MLK. Hillary won' touch that with a 10-foot pole. And that's the difference. Can't even call Hillary a Progressive honestly. But I do not fault her for a one-day tribute Rosa Parks. That surely won't upset Goldman Sachs. Tokens..everybody likes tokens.

[mythology]

103. As long I can think both were stupid but meaningless

Neither is worth any concern as it's small stuff. No offense was intended and both have good civil rights records.

[demwing]

131. Sorry, not having it.

"Both were stupid but meaningless" is not even close to accurate.

Bernie did nothing that could be called stupid, or meaningless.

In fact, Bernie's civil rights history has great meaning.

Or did I misunderstand you?

[LanternWaste]

109. It's easy for a biased and dogmatic mind to confuse nuance with hypocrisy.

It's easy for a biased and dogmatic mind to confuse nuance with hypocrisy, regardless of how unbecoming that may or may not be.

[JI7]

121. a bunch of Hillary supporters went to black sites and lectured thdm on how rosa

Parks would support Clinton so they should know better thdm to disagree and criticise her in any way .

That's what happened right ?

There were multiple threads by Hillary people telling black people what civil rights was really about.

Is that what happened ?

[JI7]

122. yes there is a hypocrite like when one attacked mia arrow in a horrible way

Then was ok using her when she showed support for their candidate.

[MrWendel]

134. Wanna...

take a peak at John Lewis' Facebook page again?