Sanders: "climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism"

[hill2016]

I'm guessing he's going to be asked to expound on this view at the next debate.

Will he suggest installing solar panels, buying electric vehicles, and car pooling to fight terrorism?

[elleng]

1. O'Malley said it first.

'Democratic presidential candidate Martin O’Malley linked climate change to the rise of ISIS earlier this week. Conservatives pounced. Score this round for O’Malley.'

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/23/3683536/omalley-climate-change-isis/

His climate plan:

https://martinomalley.com/climate/

[99th_Monkey]

2. Brilliant stroke: Mocking both Terrorism and Climate Change in one OP. Congrats. nt

[neverforget]

7. earlier this week it was concern for the middle class $250,000/yr earners in NY that can't afford

nannies, housekeepers and private schools.

Not once but twice.

[beam me up scottie]

9. EPIC fails, both of them.

And this thread is just the icing on the cake.

Unbelievable.

[neverforget]

33. Performance art?

If not....

[hill2016]

14. where am I mocking them?

I'm merely pointing out
(1) something that Sanders said
(2) he might be asked to elaborate during the debate
(3) the logical way to fight terrorism is to fight climate change, such as moving to green technologies.

[99th_Monkey]

35. Maybe I took it the wrong way

"installing solar panels, buying electric vehicles, and car pooling to fight terrorism?" sounded to me like
mocking the idea that climate change is creating widespread displacement, hunger, poverty & despair
that contribute to the rise of terrorism.

Are you telling me that it was not your intention to mock the idea, not even just a little bit?

Judging from the other responses down-string, it looks like I'm not the only one who got the impression
that you were mocking, or making-light-of, or whatever you want to call your brand of snark.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Right wing talking points much?

Guess who else makes fun of the left when they link the growth of terrorism to climate change?



From Fox News: Fiorina: Obama 'delusional' about magnitude of climate change as security threat

Breitbart: 22 Times Obama Admin Declared Climate Change a Greater Threat than Terrorism

Redstate: Let us consider working with this ‘Climate change is terrorism’ thing.




Congratulations, you've sunk to an all time low!

Mocking the 'loony left' on DU!

[hill2016]

15. huh?

I'm just pointing out what Sanders said.

Do you agree with him?

[beam me up scottie]

18. "suggest installing solar panels, buying electric vehicles, and car pooling to fight terrorism?"

Disgusting anti-intellectualism and left bashing, stolen out of a rabid right wing nut job's mouth.

That's what you were going for, right?

It's all an act?

No one posting in good faith would think this is acceptable here on Democratic Underground, where our President was praised for pointing out the same link.

[hill2016]

21. sorry

but how are you going to fight climate change without adopting green technology?

[beam me up scottie]

23. Go peddle it somewhere else, your other ops already blew your cover.

No one is stupid enough to buy whatever it is you're selling here.


edit: almost no one

[MaggieD]

4. He says some absurd stuff

That's for damn sure

[Scootaloo]

12. Seriously, MaggieD?

Do you not know the sort of impact climate has on human societies? It's complex, but not especially complicated.

[MaggieD]

13. There are many, many causes of terrorism

But at this point climate change is not one of them. He also said it was the number one MILITARY threat we face. He's absurd.

[Scootaloo]

25. I see that when the source - the Pentagon - is brought up, you simply dismiss it and change the goal

"at this point" - Okay. So.. when? Seriously, should a certain, irreversible, drastic problem be ignored until it is un-ignorable, MaggieD? Wait until the full impact kicks us in the ass, and then go "Oh, I guess we ought to think of something."

Yes. Climate change is the biggest military threat we face, explicitly because it is unavoidable and drastic. All those other problems are going to remain, and be worsened. You think Israel and Palestine loosk nasty now? Wait until Lake Galilee begins shrinking. Want to see what Xinjiang looks like, when there is no more moutnain snowpack to supply water to what is already a pretty arid place? Do you know what kind of effect the northward (and southward, for Argentina and parts of Africa) spread of tropical diseases will have on already volatile regions?

There's no way around it, it's already hitting us, it's already having an impact. You're right, it can't be pinned on shit from the 60's. But shit from the 60's isn't a current or future military threat, and hasn't been for nearly sixty years.

get over your hate for Sanders for just one goddamned minute.

[daleanime]

34. ......

[daleanime]

5. Drought and famine create desperate people.....

desperate people will often do desperate things.

Is it that hard to figure out?

[hill2016]

16. why don't we wait

for Sanders to elaborate on this link during the next debate?

[daleanime]

22. I guess it was too hard.....

I have to admit to being disappointed. Have a lovely evening.

[neverforget]

6. I know this will be lost on you

Pentagon: Climate change a national security threat

"Climate change is a global problem. Its impacts do not respect national borders," Hagel states in the report.

"Politics or ideology must not get in the way of sound planning," he adds.

The report says instability created in other countries due to a lack of food and water, or the spread of disease, brought on by a warming climate "could undermine already fragile governments."

In turn, "these gaps in governance can create an avenue for extremist ideologies and conditions that foster terrorism," the Pentagon roadmap states.

[MaggieD]

19. So what was the excuse in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's ?

[neverforget]

24. Do you think climate change started yesterday?

If you have a problem with the Obama's DoD, take it up with them and the scientists.

[fwiff]

8. Syria has had a years long drought.

Subsistence farms have dried up, the economy has shifted, and there are massively fewer jobs now. Isis pays.

You can't feed your family on dust.

[hill2016]

17. I could have sworn

that much of Syria is a desert.

[Scootaloo]

26. You'd be wrong.

It's coastal regions are Mediterranean, while the interior is steppe. Think the shortgrass praries of Texas or Oklahoma. Lots of farmland, mostly cereals. Southeastern Syria does indeed feature the "Syrian Desert," which is an arid, rocky area, but not an actual desert - it has too much precipitation within Syria to actually be a true desert. Some portions within Iraq and Jordan do qualify as "true desert" but the syrian portion gets too much water (if the name confuses you, remember that what is today Jordan was once part of Ottoman Syria.)

All three biomes are extremly sensitive to drought, as you might have guessed.

[litlbilly]

30. 80% crop failure cause mass movement to the cities, people were starving and the gov wouldnt help

Can you be any snarkier? You people are just amazing.

[Juicy_Bellows]

10. DU doesn't need anymore Andy Kaufmans. NT.

[Crystalite]

11. Do you not see the relationship between the two? Would you like me to explain this to you?

I mean, there's no sense in your keeping yourself in suspense when a great many of us can explain.

Just say the word.

[hill2016]

20. I would rather

much listen to Sanders explaining this during the next debate.

I hopes that he explains to the audience how climate change contributes to the growth of terrorism, so that if America is serious about fighting terrorism, we will adopt green technology.

[litlbilly]

31. really hill, you need to just stop now. Youre getting in deaper and deaper. No way out

[Kalidurga]

27. OOPS how the heck did I end up at Red State?

Oh well since I am here I will splain somethings to ya.

If we rely more on green energy rather than fossil fuels we won't have to deal with the Middle East nearly as much. We can stop occupying so many countries and resentment can start to simmer down. So we will be less of a target. Unfortunately this will not keep terrorists from killing people in their own countries.

Two if we can slow down the patterns of climate change it will make all countries that are getting the brunt of the effects of climate change more stable.

I hope this wasn't too complicated to understand.

[jfern]

28. RedState is in the direction that Hillary's logo is pointing

[litlbilly]

29. How about a 4 year drought in Syria that caused the start of the civil war. Try again

[Truprogressive85]

32. Climate Change is part of national security and should not be taken lightly

So you are mocking climate change as a threat , and the impact it will not only on the planet

Who are you : Sen. Jim Inhofe ?

Climate Change is part of national security and should not be taken lightly

[neverforget]

36. Here's what the Republicans think

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/12/cavuto-and-pals-attack-dems-linking

No matter what, in Fox-land, the United States and our foreign policy, extreme poverty and the effects of climate change are never, ever responsible for terrorism. Case in point, this Saturday's Cavuto on Business, where the pundits went after Sen. Bernie Sanders and President Obama for discussing some of the root causes of terrorism.

I'm not going to transcribe that mess, but basically Cavuto and his guests, Charles Payne, Dagen McDowell and Charles Gasparino-- with the notable exception of Adam Lashinsky, who is generally the only sane one on that show -- were all arguing that you can't say there is terrorism because of poverty because look at Osama bin Laden who was rich, and at the shooters from the massacre this weekend in San Bernardino, who were middle class. They all also just completely laughed off the notion that climate change might be responsible for some of it well, academics and national security experts and their opinions be damned.

As Media Matters has documented, this is a running theme over at Faux "news." You can read more on the other talking heads over there parroting the same right wing talking points as the did in the segment above, and from their report as well, here's why the pundits on Fox are wrong and Sanders and Obama are right:

[hill2016]

37. here's my question to you

in recent terrorist attacks in Paris, San Bernardino, and the attack on Planned Parenthood, who do you think was responsible for the violence:

(1) the killers who carried out the attacks
(2) religion/political ideology
(3) the victims

thanks

[neverforget]

38. Well i guess that proves that climate change and terrorism don't mean anything to each other

The Pentagon and climate scientists are wrong about the factors that increase terrorism.

Thank you for showing me the way and the light of my error to believe that climate change increases the factors that lead to terrorism. I guess those assholes on Fox are right!

[beam me up scottie]

39. And for proving the op was exactly what we thought it was.

That one always outs themselves after feigning innocence.

Good job!

[hill2016]

41. want to take

a stab at my question?

it's a pretty simple one.

[beam me up scottie]

44. So simple everyone saw right through it. Just like your richsplaining ops.

Anti-intellectual, left bashing garbage disguised as "just asking questions".

[hill2016]

40. I noticed though

you didn't answer my question?

it's pretty simple really.

[neverforget]

45. Does your question somehow disprove terrorism-climate change link?

Fox News would say that the victims are to blame because they weren't armed but I don't watch Fox or parrot their views.

[postatomic]

42. One analysis of his statement

Sen. Bernie Sanders went too far with his debate claim that “climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism.” One study concluded that man-made climate change likely worsened a drought in Syria and contributed to instability there. But the report stops short of drawing a direct causal link between climate change and the Syrian civil war, let alone between climate change and terrorism.

As the study’s lead author told us via email, the research “doesn’t deal with terrorism.”

In the Democratic debate on Nov. 14, CBS News political director John Dickerson asked Sanders if he stuck by his previous claim that the greatest threat to national security was climate change, given that Sanders has said he wants to “rid the planet of ISIS.”

“Absolutely,” Sanders said. “In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism. And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re gonna see countries all over the world– this is what the C.I.A. says, they’re gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re gonna see all kinds of international conflict.”

... and the last sentence....

The evidence so far does not support Sanders’ claim.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/sanders-on-climate-link-to-terrorism/

Apparently he's convinced himself of the Climate Change-Terrorism link but we need to have a "study" to determine guns and violence. Call me not impressed.

[hill2016]

43. thank you

I hope that during the next debate, Sanders will have the chance to expound on this link between Climate Change and Terrorism to the American people.

[postatomic]

46. You're welcome

Senator Sanders went from A to Z without any thought or consideration of the facts.