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hill2016

(1,772 posts)
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:31 AM Dec 2015

Sanders: "climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism"

I'm guessing he's going to be asked to expound on this view at the next debate.

Will he suggest installing solar panels, buying electric vehicles, and car pooling to fight terrorism?

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Sanders: "climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism" (Original Post) hill2016 Dec 2015 OP
O'Malley said it first. elleng Dec 2015 #1
Brilliant stroke: Mocking both Terrorism and Climate Change in one OP. Congrats. nt 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #2
earlier this week it was concern for the middle class $250,000/yr earners in NY that can't afford neverforget Dec 2015 #7
EPIC fails, both of them. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #9
Performance art? neverforget Dec 2015 #33
where am I mocking them? hill2016 Dec 2015 #14
Maybe I took it the wrong way 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #35
Right wing talking points much? beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #3
huh? hill2016 Dec 2015 #15
"suggest installing solar panels, buying electric vehicles, and car pooling to fight terrorism?" beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #18
sorry hill2016 Dec 2015 #21
Go peddle it somewhere else, your other ops already blew your cover. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #23
He says some absurd stuff MaggieD Dec 2015 #4
Seriously, MaggieD? Scootaloo Dec 2015 #12
There are many, many causes of terrorism MaggieD Dec 2015 #13
I see that when the source - the Pentagon - is brought up, you simply dismiss it and change the goal Scootaloo Dec 2015 #25
...... daleanime Dec 2015 #34
Drought and famine create desperate people..... daleanime Dec 2015 #5
why don't we wait hill2016 Dec 2015 #16
I guess it was too hard..... daleanime Dec 2015 #22
I know this will be lost on you neverforget Dec 2015 #6
So what was the excuse in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's ? MaggieD Dec 2015 #19
Do you think climate change started yesterday? neverforget Dec 2015 #24
Syria has had a years long drought. fwiff Dec 2015 #8
I could have sworn hill2016 Dec 2015 #17
You'd be wrong. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #26
80% crop failure cause mass movement to the cities, people were starving and the gov wouldnt help litlbilly Dec 2015 #30
DU doesn't need anymore Andy Kaufmans. NT. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #10
Do you not see the relationship between the two? Would you like me to explain this to you? Crystalite Dec 2015 #11
I would rather hill2016 Dec 2015 #20
really hill, you need to just stop now. Youre getting in deaper and deaper. No way out litlbilly Dec 2015 #31
OOPS how the heck did I end up at Red State? Kalidurga Dec 2015 #27
RedState is in the direction that Hillary's logo is pointing jfern Dec 2015 #28
How about a 4 year drought in Syria that caused the start of the civil war. Try again litlbilly Dec 2015 #29
Climate Change is part of national security and should not be taken lightly Truprogressive85 Dec 2015 #32
Here's what the Republicans think neverforget Dec 2015 #36
here's my question to you hill2016 Dec 2015 #37
Well i guess that proves that climate change and terrorism don't mean anything to each other neverforget Dec 2015 #38
And for proving the op was exactly what we thought it was. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #39
want to take hill2016 Dec 2015 #41
So simple everyone saw right through it. Just like your richsplaining ops. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #44
I noticed though hill2016 Dec 2015 #40
Does your question somehow disprove terrorism-climate change link? neverforget Dec 2015 #45
One analysis of his statement postatomic Dec 2015 #42
thank you hill2016 Dec 2015 #43
You're welcome postatomic Dec 2015 #46

elleng

(128,957 posts)
1. O'Malley said it first.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:35 AM
Dec 2015

'Democratic presidential candidate Martin O’Malley linked climate change to the rise of ISIS earlier this week. Conservatives pounced. Score this round for O’Malley.'

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/07/23/3683536/omalley-climate-change-isis/

His climate plan:

https://martinomalley.com/climate/

neverforget

(9,432 posts)
7. earlier this week it was concern for the middle class $250,000/yr earners in NY that can't afford
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:53 AM
Dec 2015

nannies, housekeepers and private schools.

Not once but twice.

 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
14. where am I mocking them?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:40 AM
Dec 2015

I'm merely pointing out
(1) something that Sanders said
(2) he might be asked to elaborate during the debate
(3) the logical way to fight terrorism is to fight climate change, such as moving to green technologies.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
35. Maybe I took it the wrong way
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 11:35 AM
Dec 2015

"installing solar panels, buying electric vehicles, and car pooling to fight terrorism?" sounded to me like
mocking the idea that climate change is creating widespread displacement, hunger, poverty & despair
that contribute to the rise of terrorism.

Are you telling me that it was not your intention to mock the idea, not even just a little bit?

Judging from the other responses down-string, it looks like I'm not the only one who got the impression
that you were mocking, or making-light-of, or whatever you want to call your brand of snark.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Right wing talking points much?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:42 AM
Dec 2015

Guess who else makes fun of the left when they link the growth of terrorism to climate change?



From Fox News: Fiorina: Obama 'delusional' about magnitude of climate change as security threat

Breitbart: 22 Times Obama Admin Declared Climate Change a Greater Threat than Terrorism

Redstate: Let us consider working with this ‘Climate change is terrorism’ thing.




Congratulations, you've sunk to an all time low!

Mocking the 'loony left' on DU!


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
18. "suggest installing solar panels, buying electric vehicles, and car pooling to fight terrorism?"
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:45 AM
Dec 2015

Disgusting anti-intellectualism and left bashing, stolen out of a rabid right wing nut job's mouth.

That's what you were going for, right?

It's all an act?

No one posting in good faith would think this is acceptable here on Democratic Underground, where our President was praised for pointing out the same link.


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. Go peddle it somewhere else, your other ops already blew your cover.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:49 AM
Dec 2015

No one is stupid enough to buy whatever it is you're selling here.


edit: almost no one

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
12. Seriously, MaggieD?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:20 AM
Dec 2015

Do you not know the sort of impact climate has on human societies? It's complex, but not especially complicated.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
13. There are many, many causes of terrorism
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:38 AM
Dec 2015

But at this point climate change is not one of them. He also said it was the number one MILITARY threat we face. He's absurd.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
25. I see that when the source - the Pentagon - is brought up, you simply dismiss it and change the goal
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:03 AM
Dec 2015

"at this point" - Okay. So.. when? Seriously, should a certain, irreversible, drastic problem be ignored until it is un-ignorable, MaggieD? Wait until the full impact kicks us in the ass, and then go "Oh, I guess we ought to think of something."

Yes. Climate change is the biggest military threat we face, explicitly because it is unavoidable and drastic. All those other problems are going to remain, and be worsened. You think Israel and Palestine loosk nasty now? Wait until Lake Galilee begins shrinking. Want to see what Xinjiang looks like, when there is no more moutnain snowpack to supply water to what is already a pretty arid place? Do you know what kind of effect the northward (and southward, for Argentina and parts of Africa) spread of tropical diseases will have on already volatile regions?

There's no way around it, it's already hitting us, it's already having an impact. You're right, it can't be pinned on shit from the 60's. But shit from the 60's isn't a current or future military threat, and hasn't been for nearly sixty years.

get over your hate for Sanders for just one goddamned minute.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
5. Drought and famine create desperate people.....
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:47 AM
Dec 2015

desperate people will often do desperate things.

Is it that hard to figure out?

neverforget

(9,432 posts)
6. I know this will be lost on you
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:49 AM
Dec 2015
Pentagon: Climate change a national security threat

"Climate change is a global problem. Its impacts do not respect national borders," Hagel states in the report.

"Politics or ideology must not get in the way of sound planning," he adds.

The report says instability created in other countries due to a lack of food and water, or the spread of disease, brought on by a warming climate "could undermine already fragile governments."

In turn, "these gaps in governance can create an avenue for extremist ideologies and conditions that foster terrorism," the Pentagon roadmap states.

neverforget

(9,432 posts)
24. Do you think climate change started yesterday?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:03 AM
Dec 2015


If you have a problem with the Obama's DoD, take it up with them and the scientists.

fwiff

(233 posts)
8. Syria has had a years long drought.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 12:54 AM
Dec 2015

Subsistence farms have dried up, the economy has shifted, and there are massively fewer jobs now. Isis pays.

You can't feed your family on dust.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. You'd be wrong.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:10 AM
Dec 2015

It's coastal regions are Mediterranean, while the interior is steppe. Think the shortgrass praries of Texas or Oklahoma. Lots of farmland, mostly cereals. Southeastern Syria does indeed feature the "Syrian Desert," which is an arid, rocky area, but not an actual desert - it has too much precipitation within Syria to actually be a true desert. Some portions within Iraq and Jordan do qualify as "true desert" but the syrian portion gets too much water (if the name confuses you, remember that what is today Jordan was once part of Ottoman Syria.)

All three biomes are extremly sensitive to drought, as you might have guessed.

 

litlbilly

(2,227 posts)
30. 80% crop failure cause mass movement to the cities, people were starving and the gov wouldnt help
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:07 AM
Dec 2015

Can you be any snarkier? You people are just amazing.

 

Crystalite

(164 posts)
11. Do you not see the relationship between the two? Would you like me to explain this to you?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:12 AM
Dec 2015

I mean, there's no sense in your keeping yourself in suspense when a great many of us can explain.

Just say the word.

 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
20. I would rather
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 01:46 AM
Dec 2015

much listen to Sanders explaining this during the next debate.

I hopes that he explains to the audience how climate change contributes to the growth of terrorism, so that if America is serious about fighting terrorism, we will adopt green technology.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
27. OOPS how the heck did I end up at Red State?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 02:16 AM
Dec 2015

Oh well since I am here I will splain somethings to ya.

If we rely more on green energy rather than fossil fuels we won't have to deal with the Middle East nearly as much. We can stop occupying so many countries and resentment can start to simmer down. So we will be less of a target. Unfortunately this will not keep terrorists from killing people in their own countries.

Two if we can slow down the patterns of climate change it will make all countries that are getting the brunt of the effects of climate change more stable.

I hope this wasn't too complicated to understand.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
32. Climate Change is part of national security and should not be taken lightly
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 03:33 AM
Dec 2015
So you are mocking climate change as a threat , and the impact it will not only on the planet

Who are you : Sen. Jim Inhofe ?

Climate Change is part of national security and should not be taken lightly




neverforget

(9,432 posts)
36. Here's what the Republicans think
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 08:41 PM
Dec 2015
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/12/cavuto-and-pals-attack-dems-linking

No matter what, in Fox-land, the United States and our foreign policy, extreme poverty and the effects of climate change are never, ever responsible for terrorism. Case in point, this Saturday's Cavuto on Business, where the pundits went after Sen. Bernie Sanders and President Obama for discussing some of the root causes of terrorism.

I'm not going to transcribe that mess, but basically Cavuto and his guests, Charles Payne, Dagen McDowell and Charles Gasparino-- with the notable exception of Adam Lashinsky, who is generally the only sane one on that show -- were all arguing that you can't say there is terrorism because of poverty because look at Osama bin Laden who was rich, and at the shooters from the massacre this weekend in San Bernardino, who were middle class. They all also just completely laughed off the notion that climate change might be responsible for some of it well, academics and national security experts and their opinions be damned.

As Media Matters has documented, this is a running theme over at Faux "news." You can read more on the other talking heads over there parroting the same right wing talking points as the did in the segment above, and from their report as well, here's why the pundits on Fox are wrong and Sanders and Obama are right:
 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
37. here's my question to you
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:15 PM
Dec 2015

in recent terrorist attacks in Paris, San Bernardino, and the attack on Planned Parenthood, who do you think was responsible for the violence:

(1) the killers who carried out the attacks
(2) religion/political ideology
(3) the victims

thanks

neverforget

(9,432 posts)
38. Well i guess that proves that climate change and terrorism don't mean anything to each other
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:29 PM
Dec 2015

The Pentagon and climate scientists are wrong about the factors that increase terrorism.

Thank you for showing me the way and the light of my error to believe that climate change increases the factors that lead to terrorism. I guess those assholes on Fox are right!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
39. And for proving the op was exactly what we thought it was.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:32 PM
Dec 2015

That one always outs themselves after feigning innocence.

Good job!


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
44. So simple everyone saw right through it. Just like your richsplaining ops.
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:54 PM
Dec 2015

Anti-intellectual, left bashing garbage disguised as "just asking questions".

neverforget

(9,432 posts)
45. Does your question somehow disprove terrorism-climate change link?
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:58 PM
Dec 2015

Fox News would say that the victims are to blame because they weren't armed but I don't watch Fox or parrot their views.

postatomic

(1,771 posts)
42. One analysis of his statement
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:49 PM
Dec 2015
Sen. Bernie Sanders went too far with his debate claim that “climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism.” One study concluded that man-made climate change likely worsened a drought in Syria and contributed to instability there. But the report stops short of drawing a direct causal link between climate change and the Syrian civil war, let alone between climate change and terrorism.

As the study’s lead author told us via email, the research “doesn’t deal with terrorism.”

In the Democratic debate on Nov. 14, CBS News political director John Dickerson asked Sanders if he stuck by his previous claim that the greatest threat to national security was climate change, given that Sanders has said he wants to “rid the planet of ISIS.”

“Absolutely,” Sanders said. “In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism. And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re gonna see countries all over the world– this is what the C.I.A. says, they’re gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re gonna see all kinds of international conflict.”

... and the last sentence....

The evidence so far does not support Sanders’ claim.


http://www.factcheck.org/2015/11/sanders-on-climate-link-to-terrorism/

Apparently he's convinced himself of the Climate Change-Terrorism link but we need to have a "study" to determine guns and violence. Call me not impressed.
 

hill2016

(1,772 posts)
43. thank you
Sat Dec 5, 2015, 09:52 PM
Dec 2015

I hope that during the next debate, Sanders will have the chance to expound on this link between Climate Change and Terrorism to the American people.

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