Clinton and Republican candidates agree: Increased surveillance is necessary to prevent terror attac

[Ferd Berfel]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/clinton-and-republican-candidates-agree-increased-surveillance-is-necessary-to-prevent-terror-attacks/

Presidential candidates from both parties came together at the weekend to call for beefed-up government surveillance programs in the wake of recent terrorist attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, California.

The candidates did not agree, however, on what kind of surveillance – new dragnet metadata collection, tools to fight encryption or some even more powerful capability – was needed.

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Funny, Bernie has not climbed on this bandwagon. Hmmm. Maybe he understands what Truman Said.

Note to Hillary.............................

[upaloopa]

1. Bernie has no foreign policy which is why

he could never be President.

[Segami]

4. Sure...just like all the foreign policy experience Dick Cheney, or Kissinger gave us...

It sure helped......

[Thinkingabout]

8. His weakness in responding to a question on Paris was very telling. This is

Not an area where we can put someone in and wait twenty five years for knowledge to develop.

[retrowire]

10. seriously?

Here's his foreign policy and it's the one I've been waiting for all my life...

Stay the fuck out of other countries business as much as we can and fix our own domestic problems. Set up a coalition of Muslim nations to handle Isis since we created them and give assistance with that.

there, you now know his entire foreign policy on a nutshell.

[leftofcool]

2. Yes, she called on Facebook and Twitter for help

"Clinton called on “the best minds in the private sector and public sector” to “come together to help us deal with this evolving threat”.

“Nobody wants to be feeling like their privacy is invaded,” Clinton said. “But I also know what the argument is on the other side from law enforcement and security professionals. So please, let’s get together and figure out the best way forward.”

[JonLeibowitz]

5. The best minds have come together, and their conclusion is one Clinton does not want to hear

See congressional testimony:

http://www.crypto.com/papers/governmentreform-blaze2015.pdf

And a white paper:

MIT Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory (CSAIL)

Technical Report

MIT-CSAIL-TR-2015-026 July 6, 2015

Keys Under Doormats: Mandating insecurity by requiring government access to all data and communications

Harold Abelson, Ross Anderson, Steven M. Bellovin, Josh Benaloh, Matt Blaze, Whitfield Diffie, John Gilmore, Matthew Green, Susan Landau, Peter G. Neumann, Ronald L. Rivest, Jeffrey I. Schiller, Bruce Schneier, Michael Specter, and Daniel J. Weitzner

http://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/97690/MIT-CSAIL-TR-2015-026.pdf?sequence=1

Discussed in the press here:

Security Experts Oppose Government Access to Encrypted Communication
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/08/technology/code-specialists-oppose-us-and-british-government-access-to-encrypted-communication.html

[onecaliberal]

3. It's quite obvious surveillance didn't catch the San Bernadino people

So why would more of it do anything? This is beyond ridiculous. We are democrats, I don't back dem candidates who try to out republican, republicans.

[Ferd Berfel]

15. Exactly..... Or any of the planned parenthood murders, or, and of the school murders. or....

too many disenfranchised republicans here pretending they're Dems.

[onecaliberal]

16. ^^^THAT^^^

[Thinkingabout]

6. What is Sanders plan to prevent future terrorists attacks?

[cheapdate]

7. Coming out against measures to protect the country from terrorism

is a losing proposition, politically speaking. It's not even close. While it would warm the hearts of committed civil libertarians such as myself, we are in the minority.

I think a candidate who came out and declared, for example, that he or she would immediately suspend and defund all NSA and counter-terrorism operations that monitored domestic communications under the auspices of the authorities granted by congress this past decade, would become unelectable.

[olddots]

9. this OP is really mean spirited

but really true .

[Doctor_J]

11. "bernie's soft on terrorists"

More freeperville type stuff in this thread. That's pretty much why it's tough for me to relate to Clinton supporters.

[Akamai]

12. Jeez! Let's be serious about small acts of harm. Let us put on our "grown up" pants and face reality

When I was about 8 years of age, I came to the conclusion that I would not live forever -- even if I was (were -- for the grammar folks) in a tunnel underground.

We will not live forever! Sorry - that's the current consensus and I agree with it.

We cannot prevent all hatred towards us, and neither should we try. But certainly we should not be unnecessarily aggressive against others.

I sure believe that most parents world-wide love their kids as much as we love ours.

We are too easily manipulated by fear and the merchants of fear (including the media - they want eyeballs), the military promoters [Military Industrial Complex]), the Republican hacks who are bulls in china shops, and so many others.

If people tell us, "We could be safer if..." and then don't tell us the downsides of those methods -- e.g., alienating countries around the world, costing us a hell of a lot of blood and treasure, etc., they are absolutely not worth listening to. And if no one is totally safe against the aggression of others, well -- that's reality.

I have been interested for a long time in the country indemnifying the families of those who have been hurt/killed in any terrorist attacks. Paying the families a certain amount of money to be sure their youngsters go to college, etc. It sure is better than launching a war against a country that doesn't really deserve it, or squandering our future

My name is Caleb Burns and you can find me at home at 4280 Bernard St., Lake Oswego, Oregon. Want to find me during the day? 2154 NE Broadway, Suite 110, Portland, Or.

We have, as FDR said, "nothing to fear but fear itself."

[Scuba]

13. "Clinton and other Republican ..." There, fixed it for ya!

[seabeyond]

14. Sanders may well be coming out backing clinton any minute now. You guys gotta be careful

beating up Clinton on this stuff, before you hear from Sanders.