I am sure no Hillary supporter on this board

[upaloopa]

is going to switch to Sanders.

The most important thing is that we vote for our primary favorite and that we vote for the Democratic nominee.

[Aerows]

1. The most amusing part to me

Is that there are quite a few Hillary supporters on this board that can't vote at all because they aren't citizens of the United States.

I just love when people that have universal health care, sensible gun control, college tuition capped to reasonable levels and a healthy safety net already tell me I'm an idiot for voting for the person most likely to spearhead such things through, as opposed to the person that will most likely (Clinton) get us ALL embroiled in another war.

Hey, at least in other countries, veterans are taken care of, though the blood of everyone sons and daughters shed is nothing to be proud of. But hey - I'm a dummy for wanting to vote for Sanders.

This is not directed at you personally, please understand, or the other sensible Canadians and folks from the UK who visit here. It's the ones that incessantly keep telling Americans that they are stupid for who they are voting for in a country in which they cannot even vote.

Can someone explain that to me?

[darkangel218]

2. +1

[Aerows]

5. The nice thing is that I can't see half the replies in this

thread because nearly all of them have been put on ignore because it has just gotten plain ridiculous.

There are some highly reasonable Canadians, Irish folks and UK posters on DU.

It's the ones that are eager to tell Americans who to vote for when they can't vote here and are extremely snide about it that get on my nerves.

I am by no means calling anyone out - they already know who they are, and if they want to spew vitriol, it's fine with me. I won't see it, thankfully .

[darkangel218]

7. I only see 6 replies

I think they're shying away from this thread. Either that, or we have them all on ignore

[Aerows]

9. I don't know!

Ignore - it's highly recommended! .

At least I said my piece!

[darkangel218]

10. And you were absolutely correct in your post.

(That may be the reason that they're shying away you hit the nail right on the head.

[Aerows]

12. Hey

If they feel ashamed to explain why they feel the need to meddle in another country's politics and repeatedly harangue them for not voting as they want Americans to vote, so be it.

[GusBob]

11. There's only 6 replies and you have 3 of them

Which half are you?

[Aerows]

13. See, you are an American

This was not directed at you, and yes, I can see your post .

I have no issue with anyone ardently supporting their chosen Democratic candidate in the Primary if they are an American and eligible to vote. And it's great to participate in the conversation, because this is a discussion board, and all points of view by everybody, Aussie, Irish, Canadian, UK, everybody are worthy to hash out.

Where it crosses the line, however, is the repeated bashing of Sanders supporters by people who literally have no skin in the game.

[artislife]

15. Thankfully, you saved this nothing OP

[still_one]

29. I never put anyone on ignore

[Aerows]

6. Am I the only one

to whom this makes absolutely no sense?

[joshcryer]

14. What's more funny...

...someone who can't vote for the nominee but supports them anyway, or someone who won't vote for the nominee and won't support them because they are purists?

To me it's the former, because it's funny when people post their irrelevant political opinions on forums.

The latter is actually not very funny at all. I consider it disturbing, to be frank.

[Aerows]

17. We don't have a nominee yet.

So all of this is getting the cart before the horse.

[joshcryer]

20. Then we may have to come back to that one...

...I think there are obvious parallels though.

Both people would be posting on a forum about something that they aren't able to or willing to actually support. The non-voters are as bad as the can't voters as far as I'm concerned.

But I'm open to opinions from all stripes, even if they're irrelevant.

[Aerows]

21. Nobody here that can vote

isn't not going to vote. That's what we are here arguing about, so that is a non-argument.

We don't have a nominee yet.

[joshcryer]

22. If you don't vote for the nominee...

...you're throwing away your vote.

That's fine, though, the Libertarians get more throwaways than the Greens, so it's OK. Since Jill Stein is the Green this go around and there's no credible Green candidate, all the throwaway purist votes for her will be mitigated by the votes for the Libertarian. It's just as fine as some people who can't vote voicing their opinion on a forum.

I'm just underscoring how irrelevant it is on the scheme of things.

[Fawke Em]

24. If you live in a solid red or solid blue state, your point is false.

I can vote a clear conscience (i.e. not for HRC if she's the nominee) because my state will give its 11 Electoral College votes to whatever dipshit the Republicans put up.

The only time it matters is in the swing state. But that's moot point, in my opinion. I don't think Hillary will get enough support in the swing states to win.

[joshcryer]

30. Fair enough.

But if we're going to go that far we might as well say it's pointless to voice an opinion about the primaries unless you're in the first few states that are caucusing or voting since after Super Tuesday the thing is decided.

I'm just going by that other posters contention that at least they can have an opinion about something because they can vote.

[Aerows]

34. Let me reiterate ONCE AGAIN.

THERE IS NO NOMINEE YET and these pointless demands that everybody just go ahead and support Hillary because she will be the nominee because she isn't yet are just that:

Pointless.

Please refute that. I dare you - go on - claim that we already have a nominee.

[joshcryer]

35. I'm not saying that.

Let's put it this way, I have no problem with Canadians or other people, like from the UK, supporting Sanders and bashing Clinton.

It seems you only have a problem with it when they bash Sanders and support Clinton.

You seem to suggest it's some epidemic of posters here, I only know of two that I can name (Sid and Nance; and I'm not 100% on that second one).

I think your contention, your funny example, isn't that big of a deal, because, after all, it's just the primaries. So I used the GE example because in that case it's a lot bigger of a deal.

I don't agree with the silliness that people who can't vote can't commentate or should be dismissed or whatever narrative you're trying to push.

Ooh, scary Canadians, making statements about our elections! Oh no! The sky is falling.

[Aerows]

37. Oh my.

Excuse me for not even deigning that with an answer because you just attempted to cram a whole lot of words in my mouth, cleared a barnyard full of straw and didn't particularly care for the fact that I reminded you that there are no "traitors" to the Democratic party yet.

We don't have a nominee.

Have a nice day .

[joshcryer]

38. Oh but we will.

No matter what happens we're going to see a lot of blow outs.

And, actual funny.

As far as traitors? I wasn't saying anyone was a traitor. But for fun I've been bookmarking every instance I see of any Democratic candidate being called "unelectable." So many people give the clown car too much credit (or are just utterly naive about how the process works, how the demographics are trending, and how strong the Democratic candidates, all of them, are).

[daleanime]

18. ........

[daleanime]

16. +1

[treestar]

69. they probably understand a Republican president

could cause loss of even the ACA.

[SidDithers]

3. DU rec ...

Edited: Google auto-fil out of control.

Sid

[murielm99]

19. I don't think the Hillary haters here care

if anyone switches. They are just here to snark. They are not unlike middle school playground bullies. Those kids didn't want to be friends with the kids they bullied. They just wanted to posture, gain attention and show off how much power they had.

I pity the Bernie supporters. They don't have any power anywhere else.

I will be voting for Hillary, of course. Sanders isn't going to win anything.

[Fawke Em]

25. The people bullying others are the Hillary supporters.

They alert stalk, snark and condescend.

They also set up their own forum where they could call Bernie and his supporters the most vile things you would only expect on Free Republic. Bernie supporters haven't done that.

[murielm99]

27. They set up their own forum after months of being bullied here.

You are in the majority, bullying the minority. A majority is not bullied.

You have not set up your own forum because you have overrun this one and broken the jury system. You did it. You own it.

Bernie supporters here have said many ugly and vile things about Hillary. It does not good to alert them, because they have overrun the jury system.

You should be ashamed.

Have you ever heard of projection? No? Go look it up. Better yet, go look in the mirror.

[artislife]

31. Gosh...now I pity hillary supporters. Thanks for the eye opener. nt

[riversedge]

33. Well said and thank you for saying it.

[oasis]

36. Post # 27 is a beacon of truth.

[WIProgressive88]

39. There are a number of Hillary supporters who engage in snark and nastiness as well.

Is it the majority of them? I don't think so. I happen to think that the majority of DU'ers, whether Hillary, Bernie, or O'Malley supporters are good people, but every candidate has supporters who seem more interested in tearing other candidates (and supporters of other candidates) down rather than building theirs up, and Hillary is by no means excluded from this.

[murielm99]

46. Clinton supporters are fewer in number here.

They mostly defend their candidate from attacks.

[cui bono]

50. Bullshit. Do you really not read the OPs by Hillary supporters?

You'd think you would since you are one.

One quick glance through the list of GD-P OPs proves you completely wrong. Not to mention the fact that most OPs that are critical of Hillary are based on facts and policy. The attacks on Bernie are fabricated and ridiculous and never about factual policy stances.

.

[murielm99]

64. Says one of the worst offenders when it comes to

unfair posts and name-calling of Clinton.

[cui bono]

71. Bullshit again. Show me where. In fact you'll find me defending her at times.

But go ahead and post the proof. Please. I'd like to see it.

You can pm me if you think you'll get a hide, though I certainly will not alert. When I have time to search my posts I will be happy to provide the proof of me defending her.

.

[WIProgressive88]

52. They are, and Hillary supporters are right to defend their candidate from any unfair attacks.

I just think that there are a number of overly-aggressive posters in both camps who get off on pestering the other candidate's supporters, and DU would be a much better place if these folks could just turn it down a couple notches.

[cui bono]

48. They set up their own forum to spew the hate that would have gotten them a time out here.

If you are not clear about that visit the links in this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=647936

Your post is pure projection. Show my any post by a Bernie supporter that matches the vile hatred in the screenshots referenced in the above link.

.

[Betty Karlson]

57. With respect, the Clinton supporters were VERY quick to create OPs like

"Sanders has a race problem"
"Stop the sexism"
"Sanders only has white young men who support him"
"Sanders doesn't care about Texas Latinos"

and similar garbage. The bullying started there and then. And when Sanders' supporters told the Clinton supporters that their intimations didn't make sense, the Clinton camp left in a hissy. Bullies are always in the minority. And they leave when the majority tells them their antics are unacceptable.

[Dragonfli]

58. It is many of her positions and tactics that are vile, pointing them out is simply pointing them out

The idealized Hillary being unmasked to show the real Hillary is not the vile act you appear to think it is.

I do understand that those that believe the fictional facade consider the reality uncomfortable, but that can't be helped if one is to compare and contrast the truth about the candidates records, actions, goals and alliances.

Politics is not for the faint of heart and can be hurtful to those that wish to believe in a fictional identity that is used to justify an unreasoned love of a charade meant to fuel identity politics. Fingers in ears and protestations to the truth notwithstanding.

I am sorry if your heroine is a mirage that upon closer inspection reveals a neoliberal, hawkish politician fond of dirty politics, habitual untruthfulness and rovian tactics.

[pnwmom]

41. You don't know what vile things some Bernie supporters might be saying on other sites. n/t

[cui bono]

49. Nor do you know that they are saying anything vile.

Go find it and post back. We'll wait.

.

[pnwmom]

51. Based on what they say here, it's not a stretch to think they're saying worse

when they're not here.

But I just looked over at the only Hillary site I've heard of and there weren't any Bernie posts, much less vile posts. I guess his supporters just can't stand to see him ignored.

[cui bono]

53. They don't say anything half as bad as Hillary supporters on here.

Hillary supporters constantly make up shit to smear Bernie with.

"Not Good Enough, Bernie" remember that? Most vile OP ever on DU, posted by a Hillary supporter. They have called him an "NRA puppet", sexist, socialist, you name it and all of it completely untrue. Smears galore just to try to take him down. Almost never a criticism based on actual policy and based on facts. Swiftboating attempts is about all it is.

See if you can match this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=751439

But anyway, you think it's okay to throw out speculation about what people do and accept it as fact in your own mind, so I'm not sure how reasonable you can be in this discussion.

.

[pnwmom]

54. Thanks for the link. I've blocked that person so I would have missed this.

But this linked article was a hoot:

(P.S. This is the only link I've followed -- so far. It might be interesting to see what else this supporter has dug up. If that's representative, this will be amusing.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-revolutionary-roots-were-nurtured-in-60s-vermont.html

Mr. Sanders contributed only sporadically. He interviewed a “labor agitator” and an old-time farmer, and he wrote some articles about health, including one in which he cited studies claiming that cancer could be caused by psychological factors such as unresolved hostility toward one’s mother, a tendency to bury aggression beneath a “facade of pleasantness” and having too few orgasms.

“Sexual adjustment seemed to be very poor in those with cancer of the cervix,” he wrote, quoting a study in a journal called Psychosomatic Medicine.

[cui bono]

60. And you complain about Bernie supporters.

Thanks for proving my post correct.

And no, that was not posted by the person I linked to, that smear was posted by a Hillary supporter. Let's not try to make it sound as if Bernie supporter would post that. And I find it hard to believe you missed that meme, it was quite the rage with Hillary supporters when it was discovered.

.

[pnwmom]

61. What did I do wrong? I appreciated your fun link! It gave me a real laugh. n/t

[cui bono]

62. To be fair I want you to know that I edited my post as you were posting.

Don't know why I bother being fair to someone who is being such a sweet Hillary supporter though.

Again, you complain about Bernie supporters. Just look at how you are acting right now.

.

[AlbertCat]

42. I don't think the Hillary haters here

There are so very few of them there "Hillary Haters" here, who cares?


If you mean people who merely disagree with Hillary, that's different.

[murielm99]

45. No, I mean what I said.

The Hillary haters. They come in her and lie about Hillary, call her names and get away with it.

The Hillary haters.

[RiffRandell]

59. That is one shitty, insulting post.

As a Bernie supporter, I found quite the opposite to be true when the screen shots of the supposed site for Hillary supporters were posted here, yet all you talk about is how awful we are.

That site was ALL snark to mock Bernie supporters, not to support Hillary.

This will probably really disappoint you as it seems you want to lump all Bernie supporters together and like dissension and drama here, but the Democrat that wins the nomination WILL GET MY VOTE.

If I disappointed Bernie supporters with that statement, so be it. I'm an adult that can handle criticism, am far from immature middle school bullies, so you might want to sweep the trash on your own side of the street instead of continuously littering.

Do you need some screen shots to remind you?

All are welcome to start at my post #590 and take it from there.

If the OP of that thread wants me to delete, just let me know.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7364151

Thanks to those that captured the shots and to the others that pulled back the curtain.

My life doesn't revolve around DU so I never even knew it existed until then.

Like I stated above, what a shitty, insulting post that shows your true colors, but I don't believe all Hillary supporters are like you. You certainly aren't doing them any favors with your above statement:

Those kids didn't want to be friends with the kids they bullied. They just wanted to posture, gain attention and show off how much power they had.

I pity the Bernie supporters. They don't have any power anywhere else.

[murielm99]

65. After the months of bullying I have seen here,

you deserve some insults. You can't take your own medicine.

[AlbertCat]

66. Why do Hillary "lovers" never talk about Hillary?

Just about how those awful ol' meany Sanders supporters are to poor poor put upon Hil?


I guess that's what happens when you can't being up actual issues and past records.

[RiffRandell]

73. You didn't get enough in at Will's site?

Then insult away!

Trust me, I can take my own medicine.

[workinclasszero]

68. Hillary supporters on DU

are a tiny minority always being alert stalked and banned by the Bernie majority.

This is their little fantasy world but its all good.

The real world is going to come crashing down into this Bernie playpen in 56 days and leave a smoking ruin!

The wailing and lamentations will be a sight to see!

[AlbertCat]

72. are a tiny minority always being alert stalked and banned by the Bernie majority.

They seem paranoid too.


And smug Nah-nah-nah would be winners....like an elementary school playground.

This speaks volumes.


BTW.... she lost the last time.

[JaneyVee]

23. K AND R!

[hrmjustin]

26. I will not switch to Sanders from Clinton and I don't expect or ask anyone else to switch.

Will proudy support the nominee.

[Scootaloo]

28. Okay. Good for you, I suppose.

Fortunately, we weren't counting on "Hillary supporters on this board" to do anything of the sort.

[pnwmom]

43. If Bernie is the nominee, he can't win without the votes of millions of

people who originally supported Hillary.

[cui bono]

47. The OP is about switching support for the primary.

And your point goes both ways. Bernie has millions of supporters too.

.

[Scootaloo]

56. But DU Hillary supporters vow they will not be those people

See the OP.

But that's okay. Because there are, I dunno... tens of you guys, and you are far from representative of the average person representing Clinton.

[workinclasszero]

70. Bernie can't even be the democratic nominee without

getting thousands and thousands of Hillary supporters to switch to his side.

We can see by the Bernie outreach to Hillary fans here how good thats gonna work!

[riversedge]

32. yes, and yes.

[AlbertCat]

40. we vote for our primary favorite

Not the one who clearly want to take the country out of the direction it is going.... whether their your "fave!" or not?

[WIProgressive88]

44. I'm okay with that.

I don't really care who anyone supports or doesn't support as long as one can support his or her candidate in a manner that is respectful to those who choose to support someone else. I admire the conviction and passion of many Hillary supporters on this board, even if she may not be my candidate of choice.

And, yes: let's kick some Republican ass next fall, regardless of who the nominee ends up being.

[ibegurpard]

55. I don't judge all Hillary supporters

By the obnoxious behavior of the supporters on this board. I know plenty in real life and, although it frustrates me greatly that they seem blind to her numerous faults, we can actually carry on civil conversations.

[JustAnotherGen]

63. No primary supporters on this forum

Are going to switch less than a month from 2016.

Everyone - just cheerlead for your candidate and stop trying to score personal points against each other.

The people at this site are politics junkies - to include myself. The average American hasn't even started paying attention yet.

[Armstead]

67. So what is your point? This is a discussion board.

people are going to disagree and discuss and argue for their candidates.

Surprise, Sergent Carter, Surprise!