This is Just Not Good: Why Money And Politics Shouldn't Mix: Clinton Donor Charged With Murder

[berni_mccoy]

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/exclusive-major-clinton-donor-faces-criminal-profiteering-charges/

The irony of this story is that an innocent woman was killed by the abusive practices of a Clinton Foundation donor whose donation went to the foundations "No Ceilings" project to help at-risk women and girls.

And before anyone complains about the source, just google the source at this site... this source is heavily cited on DU. The article is accurate and factual, or I wouldn't have posted it.

Hansjorg Wyss, a prominent Clinton foundation donor and wealthy bankroller of liberal activist groups, will face charges of running a “criminal profiteering enterprise” through the illegal use of a drug and in violation of federal patient safety rules that resulted in the death of a 67-year old woman, The Daily Caller News Foundation has learned.

Washington State Superior Court Judge Dean Lum agreed Oct. 30 that Wyss, a Swiss billionaire who has given more than $5 million to the Clinton Foundation, can stand trial under the state’s racketeering laws for leading a criminal enterprise that caused the death of Reba Golden. She died during an illegal drug test conducted by Wyss’s company in 2007.

The Washington suit charges Wyss, the former CEO of a Pennsylvania-based medical device company called Synthes and his co-defendants with murder in the second degree as a class A felony, second degree assault and criminal profiteering under the Washington Criminal Profiteering Act.

Wyss faces a statutory civil penalty of $250,000 for each violation, amounting to $9.2 million for “personal injury to and death of Mrs. Golden. He is charged in 37 violations.

...snip...

Ultimately, five patients died during the illicit drug testing. Synthes failed to report the deaths to the FDA, as required by law, until the third fatality occurred.

...snip...

The case could embarrass former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and John Podesta, the former White House Chief of Staff who is national campaign manager for her bid for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination.

Last December, the Clinton Foundation accepted a $5 million commitment from Wyss. When he headed the Center for American Progress, Podesta accepted millions from Wyss and put him on CAP’s board of directors. Podesta personally was a paid consultant to Wyss’ private foundation.

Also embarrassing for Clinton is that Wyss’ donation was dedicated to the foundation’s “No Ceilings” project to help at-risk girls and women. Wyss has been the subject of multiple allegations of sexual abuse and settled one case for $1.5 million with Jackie Long, a Colorado woman who once was an employee at a Wyss private foundation.

[oasis]

1. Wow! I think this one really has legs.....

.....at DU GD-P.

[berni_mccoy]

4. So Murder by Wealthy Political Donors is a FUCKING JOKE to Hillary supporters...?!?!

That's fucking outrageous. No wonder her supporters are in the minority. They cannot see beyond cheerleading for her to be president!

[upaloopa]

23. Has nothing to do with the primary.

And you are carrying right wing water.

[oasis]

28. Guilt by association is a FUCKING JOKE. nt

[berni_mccoy]

54. Money in politics is not simply association

[BlueCaliDem]

48. No. Trying to somehow implicate our Democratic front-runner in said murder IS.

That so-called Sanders supporters are using the Republican tactic of smearing a Clinton with something that has NOTHING to do with them didn't work back then and it ain't gonna work now. So how about we drop that b.s.? It makes Sanders supporters look desperate.

[randys1]

134. GOP is working day and night, here at DU and elsewhere, to convince people not to vote.

[BlueCaliDem]

145. You are SO correct. It's shameful that this RWNJ OP piece is allowed to stand after alert, by 4-3.

The GOP is terrified that Hillary Clinton will win the primaries because Republican operatives know she'll go on to win the White House with strong coattails for the House and Senate.

Whether they realize it or not, some Sanders supporters (if they really are Sanders supporters, that is) around here are not helping the Democratic Party. They're helping the GOP with OPs like this and hurting Bernie Sanders.

[randys1]

148. The completely absurd deal is that a pro Hillary poster can be silenced as often as some

here have been.

It is equally insane to silence Bernie fans, unless those fans are constantly bashing Hillary and often using unreliable sources to do that.

As a Bernie supporter I am incapable of supporting him and bashing her at the same time, like Bernie I know the consequences of such actions.

[BlueCaliDem]

158. Yes, I know that - and know it personally.

As a Bernie supporter I am incapable of supporting him and bashing her at the same time, like Bernie I know the consequences of such actions.

I don't care for any "bashing" of Sanders, either, although I understand why some do. It's usually in retaliation of being attacked or some false piece of gossip against Hillary Clinton, rather than stating the facts.

But I always keep in mind that Sanders is on our side, and if he wins the primary, I want to be able to happily and enthusiastically canvass, donate, and vote for him in the G.E., and I can't do that if I dislike him. It's just the way I'm wired.

Am I critical of him? Of course. But I stick to the facts, and I pertinently refuse to smear him with right-wing propaganda. Although some deny it, he IS a Democrat and has been almost right after he came to DC. He votes 98% with Democrats - a voting record that's better than many Democrats who ran as and call themselves Democrats - Manchin, Lieberman, Landrieu, and Webb come to mind here.

I'm happy to know you think the way I do about this although we're supporting different candidates in the primary.

[Fawke Em]

162. I've seen more pro-Bernie posters silenced.

They conspire to alert-stalk on their hate site.

[randys1]

163. That is ludicrous on the face of it.

I have been silenced over and over pointing out racism by certain folks, but putting that aside, no, way more Hillary or non Bernie fans are silenced, there is simply no question about that.

if someone in admin wanted to they could easily prove this

[hrmjustin]

165. Oh please! You are in the majority here. We are not.

And stop with your hate site mantra. It is a site for like minded people.

[Tommy2Tone]

103. No calling Hillary supporters "in the minority" is fucking outrageous.

[hrmjustin]

107. Your trolling and failing miserably at it.

[Agschmid]

117. Well one thing worked...

If I used ignore I would be able to add 16 more people to my list, who are willing to rec the daily caller.

For now they just will be on my jury blacklist.

[hrmjustin]

122. It pisses me off that so many of them were able to jump up and down over a site used to

criticize Sanders but they are OK with this crap. i said in that thread I thought the source was not appropriate for DU.

There is a double standard here.

[George II]

123. What is a joke is that this story was posted in a frivolous attempt to link Clinton....

....to a murderer.

[MaggieD]

142. Your use of a right wing nut site is noted

[Lilith Rising]

2. Seriously?

Someone DID predict that Vince Foster's ghost would show up in this forum.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Res ipsa loquitur

This is Just Not Good: Why Money And Politics Shouldn't Mix: Clinton Donor Charged With Murder

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/exclusive-major-clinton-donor-faces-criminal-profiteering-charges/

The Daily Caller is a politically conservative[2][3] news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative[4][5] political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010. In late 2012, The New York Times reported that the site had quadrupled its page view and total audience and had become profitable without ever buying an advertisement for itself.[6]

As of April 2014, Carlson serves as the publication's main editor-in-chief with Christopher Bedford as his managing editor.[7]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

[berni_mccoy]

5. Yes, and cited by many people at DU. Anything wrong with the facts of the story?

[JTFrog]

8. For years DU has been a place that we could get away from folks screaming to dispute

"the facts" from right wing ultra conservative bullshit sources. This has never been a place where we think of "facts as facts". The source matters. I can think of half a dozen websites that would embrace you and your right wing propaganda. None of them are democratic websites.

[Agschmid]

10. Do you ever wonder why you can only find this at that source?

Does that even cross your mind?

The republicans are a machine, and this source is carrying their water.

[Lilith Rising]

35. A quick search on this returns ONLY

RW-leaning, Hillary-bashing sites.

Go figure.

[Agschmid]

66. Not shocked.

[Tommy2Tone]

106. Well DU is half way there now.

[Lilith Rising]

111. Well great...

mission accomplished?

[randys1]

135. And now DU...DU is the LEADING internet site for Hillary hate and lies

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. Res ipsa loquitur (REDUX)

This is Just Not Good: Why Money And Politics Shouldn't Mix: Clinton Donor Charged With Murder

http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/06/exclusive-major-clinton-donor-faces-criminal-profiteering-charges/

The Daily Caller is a politically conservative news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney, The Daily Caller launched on January 11, 2010. In late 2012, The New York Times reported that the site had quadrupled its page view and total audience and had become profitable without ever buying an advertisement for itself.

As of April 2014, Carlson serves as the publication's main editor-in-chief with Christopher Bedford as his managing editor.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Daily_Caller

[UglyGreed]

13. Most articles

criticizing HRC are going to be from right wing sources. Funny though it is pretty easy to find articles criticizing, belittling or mocking Bernie Sanders and his supporters on so called liberal websites. Wonder why this is the case?

[ESKD]

15. +1

MaggieD's threads are great examples of utilizing right-wing sources.

[UglyGreed]

82. And as you can see

they like to even twist an observation into supporting right wing causes

[Agschmid]

93. That source was crap as is this one.

It doesn't make either "okay" both should have been hidden or self deleted.

[SidDithers]

161. ...

Sid

[JTFrog]

20. And every time you use or defend a right wing source, we know you better.

So keep it up.

[UglyGreed]

25. Did it I post it?

[JTFrog]

26. You are defending the use of right wing sources... like the ones you have

posted in the past. I imagine that's why you have so many hidden posts.

[UglyGreed]

31. No I gave an honest

impression as to why most pieces are from right wing sources. BTW My post are being hidden because I have defended myself from those who try to provoke certain responses like you trying to do right now. I believe the process may be called instigation

[JTFrog]

37. You could say that.

Or some might see that statement as not accepting responsibility for one's own actions.

[UglyGreed]

46. If your talking about

actions like being an instigator I agree whole heartily

[JTFrog]

55. I'm talking about the dispicable use of right wing sources on DU...

you are the one who has been defending that shit from the day you starting posting right wing attacks here against a Democratic candidate.

One might wonder why a poster would do that on a website that has historically been a place that comes together to fight right wing smears.

[UglyGreed]

59. No.....

you are incorrect once again.....

[The Polack MSgt]

94. For Your Situational Awareness.

On Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:10 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm talking about the dispicable use of right wing sources on DU...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=881007

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Slandering the poster. Check this person's post history and you will see this wrong.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:22 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This post in and of itself does not seem like a violation.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Frivolous alert. It is pertinent to point out that the DailyCaller is Tucker Carlson's website. And it's pertinent to ask why someone would use this source over another.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you start the argument with a bit of speculative fiction - positing that all articles critical of HRC come from Right Wing media because the world is out to get BS, you should expect push back.
Leave it alone
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[randys1]

140. The alert of your post tells us a lot about who alerted. The GOP is HARD at work HERE at DU

Righwing sources are used here on a regular basis.

Personally, i am going to hold these people responsible for murder when President Cruz appoints a SC who will do away with Roe.

[OilemFirchen]

78. I think that posts should be hidden for "Slaughtering the Language".

But that's just me, of course.

[treestar]

121. I'll join

whole heartily

[BlueCaliDem]

60. I only go to left-wing sites for articles. There's *plenty* there criticizing Hillary Clinton.

PLENTY.

Sanders supporters shouldn't stoop to post RWNJ-site gossip here at DU. NO Sanders supporter should be that desperate to boost their preferred candidate's status by doing the GOP dirty work for them against any Democrat. Why are you defending the OP?

[UglyGreed]

74. observations

are just that...... You may twist it anyway you like.

[BlueCaliDem]

86. Not twisting anything. Apparently you are. The OP's source comes solely from RWNJ sites

and it takes credibility away from Sanders supporters and reflects badly on Sanders himself. Is that the goal?

[UglyGreed]

89. I just was pointing what I have seen

here and other websites including google searches. Most results that are critical of Hillary are coming from those types of sources. BTW I did not rec the the thread nor approve of the content.

[BlueCaliDem]

100. If you're referring to MaggieD's OP, she cited Times Argus' article as the source

of progressivestoday.com's source. Times Argus is NOT a RWNJ site. So you're comparing apples to oranges. Dailyhowler - Dailycaller's sources on this story are ALL RWNJ sources.

You might not have rec'd this OP but by defending it, you are giving it your tacit approval. You shouldn't. You should be outraged.

[UglyGreed]

105. No you are

incorrect. I explained what I have seen now you are adding things that others have posted and piling it on me............... Again you may twist it anyway you like I can not stop you nor can you read my mind.....

[BlueCaliDem]

110. Fact remains, you haven't condemned it, so it can only mean you approve of it.

Actions matter.

[UglyGreed]

118. I did not even

comment on the article nor even clicked on the link...........lol I knew this thread would be just a name calling free for all and republican-lites hiding in liberal clothing did not disappoint.

[BlueCaliDem]

127. Ahhh...so you decry name-calling by name-calling? And you don't even see the irony in that??

But just in case you think I've forgotten, you have yet to condemn the OP. I'm still waiting.

[UglyGreed]

133. Just

stating what I expected in this thread and was not disappointed. BTW If posters are going attack/label me I will defend myself and call them out. At this point I will let you bask in your conclusions since you are such a good judge of character and already know what I feel inside.

[BlueCaliDem]

146. And...you still haven't condemned the OP.

Still waiting, UG.

[UglyGreed]

149. Keep on kicking this thread

trying to interrogating me into some sort of confession. LMAO I will allow you to enjoy your fantasy and wallow in your amazing powers of observation.....

I've got electric light.
And I've got second sight.
I've got amazing powers of observation.
And that is how I know

[BlueCaliDem]

153. And...still haven't condemned the OP. Window of opportunity has passed. Despite your rhetoric,

and cutesy vids, and despite my having given you ample opportunity to condemn the OP in order to stand behind your claim that you don't approve of it, you've failed the credibility test.

Thanks for your cooperation.

[UglyGreed]

157. Sorry but you don't

seem to understand I don't own you anything. It seems you think I do but you are mistaken and very confused.

[BlueCaliDem]

159. No, you don't now, but you did.

Have a nice day, UG.

[UglyGreed]

160. .

[OilemFirchen]

174. It seems that, in this case...

BlueCaliDem owns you.

[UglyGreed]

176. Oh my lord

I don't know what I will ever do now. Someone on internet pretends to be able to read my mind and now they have a cheering section.......

[OilemFirchen]

183. I didn't attempt to read your mind.

I read your post.

[UglyGreed]

184. Deep

thinker, congratulations. Perhaps you and Blue should work for the FBI or the CIA.....

[randys1]

143. You remind me of the insane proposition that there is a liberal media LOLOLOLOLOL

I hear MSNBC 6 eastern time slot will now be more rightwingers


http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/msnbc-bloomberg-john-heilemann-mark-halperin-1201655243/


iN SAYING YOU remind me I simply mean i agree with your observation and it brought this to mind

[BlueCaliDem]

164. Well, that IS an insane proposition, but I was referring to left-wing online sites, like

Commondreams, truthout, socialistworker, Daily Banter, and some articles at Salon and Slate. There are plenty of articles there tearing HRC and President Obama a new one - based on their interpretation of the facts. I don't need to go to no RWNJ site for their b.s. based in pure anti-Democratic Party propaganda.

[Agschmid]

92. Could it be that most of the anti Hillary crap is...

Total crap? Right wing bull?

Nah!

[UglyGreed]

99. Could it be

that some of the so called left does not want to criticize the front runner? We see posts almost every single day here saying we should not criticize HRC and if someone does they are labeled right wingers. Nah!!!!

[Agschmid]

116. If you can't see the difference between "cristicsm" and blatant RW propos thats on you.

[firebrand80]

18. It's misleading

This person was not charged with murder

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Some folks won't let the facts get in the way of a good attack.

[okasha]

199. The Daily Caller has also published

speculation that Jane Sanders will go to jail for securities fraud.

Anything wrong with those "facts? "

[workinclasszero]

6. Another reich wing hit piece?

This place is pathetic.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. As long as you are part of the in group you can do what you want.

[workinclasszero]

21. Sad but true

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. But I will go down with my boots on, fighting the good fight, you, compadre?

[workinclasszero]

30. Yes indeed!

But we ain't goin down my friend.

We are going to raise Hill and go to the White House!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. We should have this board all to ourselves any way pretty soon.

[workinclasszero]

39. I figure a change is going to happen at DU

in about 56 days or so.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. A change is gonna come

We will be rewarded for our efforts with glory.

[workinclasszero]

53. Love that song

Cool version by Seal

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. For old times' sake

[Beacool]

180. Yes, somehow this will affect Hillary's campaign.

[Agschmid]

7. Daily Fucking Caller.

For fucks sake.

[SidDithers]

9. Better believe it!...nt

Sid

[firebrand80]

16. This is not a murder charge

can stand trial under the state’s racketeering laws for leading a criminal enterprise that caused the death of Reba Golden.

Also, the term "Clinton donor" is slightly misleading, as it leads one to assume we're talking about a donor to Hillary's campaign.

I'm not one for alerting threads, but this one might be worthy.

[workinclasszero]

17. Unindicted war criminal Dick Cheney approves this post!

"The Daily Caller is a politically conservative news and opinion website based in Washington, D.C., United States. Founded by Tucker Carlson, a libertarian conservative political pundit, and Neil Patel, former adviser to former Vice President Dick Cheney"

Be proud Bernie fans!

[Agschmid]

19. 3-4 Leave.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. I am not surprised...Principles don't matter here ...

[OilemFirchen]

88. It's fascinating after all the Sturm und Drang these past few days.

OK, I kid. It's not fascinating at all.

[workinclasszero]

62. Anybody surprised?

Dick Cheney has found a new home it seems.

[Agschmid]

65. I don't have the results, I alerted and got that it survived.

[workinclasszero]

84. Right

I expect the lowest of the low in DU: General Discussion: Primaries

Sadly I haven't been disappointed yet.

[SidDithers]

67. Imagine that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876759

Guess that thread was just so much smoke.

Sid

[Agschmid]

75. Yup, poof.

Hey by the way did you hear that you are Canadian and should STFU?

I heard that the other day...

Ethnocentrism at its best!

[Cha]

203. BS has supporters here who are Canadian.. are they told to STFU, too?

[MaggieD]

29. I'm waiting for all the Bernie supporter outrage about right wing links

Surely it's coming, right?

Oh the hypocrisy!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. I was lectured for citing a Gravis Poll...Some people couldn't be more transparent.

[Agschmid]

36. No one should links to RW sites it doesn't matter who you are or even which candidate you support.

It would be better if we didn't have a "well they did it first" mentality.

It would just be better if no one did it.

[MaggieD]

41. I just wanted to get them on record

At least I had the ethics to make sure the post was true and admitted to by his campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876329

[Agschmid]

52. I would not have posted that, not cite that source.

[MaggieD]

72. LOL! How else to get the to decry right wing sites?

At least it was true, as the Times Argus story i added later proved. I could have used that link from the beginning but I wanted to get them on record complaining about right wing sites.

Which, as you can see, they are fine with if its smearing Hillary.

[Agschmid]

79. I don't need them to decry anything.

My goal is to get Hillary elected, bullshit is bullshit from either side.

[MaggieD]

81. I do

And I will use it every time they post right wing bullshit.

[morningfog]

139. So that was one great planned out trolling OP?

Nice.

[MaggieD]

144. It was a hypocrisy check

Nothing "trolling" about it.

So tell us, what do you think about the right wing source for this OP? I've noticed Bernie supporters are not here calling that out. Another case of IOKIYABSS?

[morningfog]

171. I didn't post in your trolling thread either.

Someone here has been exposed as a hypocrite, for sure though. Not that it was an open question.

[merrily]

96. That is such a laugh. You defended your source to the death, until

someone else posted a story from another source. Then you pretended you had used the source you were defending on purpose, to trap Bernie supporters. It was comical performance art.

[MaggieD]

101. Nah, I never defended the source

I just said it was a true story because I had the Times Argus article in my back pocket waiting. You have to admit that was well played. LOL!

[merrily]

113. I doubt anyone reading the two threads and noting the times of the various posts

would buy your version, but keep trying to sell it. It's very enjoyable to watch.

[MaggieD]

131. Well that's because you...

Have different rules for Bernie supporters than you do for Hillary supporters.

And yes, I will use that thread when I see Bernie supporters post right wing links like this thread. Count on it. That was the whole purpose of my thread.

[Cha]

204. So agree.

[berni_mccoy]

44. Because people like you post from RW sources, this is now allowed here... don't you like...

the bed you made?

[hrmjustin]

47. Do you like the bed you are making?

[berni_mccoy]

50. It was made long before this post by Hillary fans

[hrmjustin]

56. Nice way to excuse your actions and ypur answer is pure bull.

Sanders supporters were the ones who paved the way to posting rw material against Hillary.

Revisionist History only makes you look ridiculous!

[berni_mccoy]

61. He said she said but that's the way it is

According to Hillary fans, as long as the story is true it's ok

[hrmjustin]

70. More excuses from you for trolling this board with right wing trash.

[Rex]

188. Careful they are trying to get you back into timeoutland.

Not worth it my friend.

On Mon Dec 7, 2015, 10:34 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

More excuses from you for trolling this board with right wing trash.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=881030

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Accusing someone of "trolling the board" is a personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Dec 7, 2015, 11:18 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: both sides need to tone it down a notch or two
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, it's an observation.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: You'd think this one would learn during his time outs.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[hrmjustin]

57. Indeed. That was a horrible hide.

[BlueCaliDem]

80. Desperation tends to cloud some people's judgment. eom

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. Indubitably

It is nice to have the moral high ground all to yourself.

[MaggieD]

198. #thesystemhereisrigged

[Agschmid]

49. You jumped right in it.

[berni_mccoy]

71. Not much choice

[Lilith Rising]

141. As of this past Friday you were the one

demanding fairness on both sides: "Do as I have done here, I expect the same from Hillary's supporters to not only insist on the same fairness but to passionately demand it."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251874877

So that just goes right out the window if a Hillary supporter drops a RW link? You just jump right down to their level and blame them for your actions?

Integrity is clearly dead in some circles.

[berni_mccoy]

147. Yeah, and what bullshit from RW sources was posted here since then by Hillary fans...

At least this post, while comes from a RW source, is accurate. And you missed the point on that post... the fairness was with respect to what the DNC has been doing in shutting down the debates.

So thanks for mis-representing what I said before. And you wonder why this place is going to shit... Take a look at what your own Hillary fans are doing before whining about what I do.

[Agschmid]

152. This argument...

At least this post, while comes from a RW source, is accurate

Is crap.

MaggieD used a RW source as well, it was crap then too.

Clearly it's really easy to NOT post RW sources, some of us choose not to do it. Others... well... check out your OP.

[Lilith Rising]

154. I would ask you kindly to not refer to my

observations/questions as "whining". I am an adult person who is very much in control of her emotions.

Yes, you were primarily addressing the DNC/debate situation but with a big dose of 'do as I do and be fair' - you are not being fair when YOU (we're talking about you here) use a RW link to attempt to tie HC to a 'murder'.

Are you going to jump off a cliff just because (you say) everybody else is?

[Agschmid]

150. You have all the choice in the world.

You can and should be better than this crap.

[MaggieD]

156. Baloney - you love your right wing links

And your buddies apparently love them when used to smear Hillary, but not so much when it's a TRUE story about Bernie.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876329

[hrmjustin]

34. Where are the people who complained about progressivetoday being used.

Why aren't they complaining about the dailycaller being used here?

Oh I forgot you are allowed to trash Hillary with right wing material on DU.

Hypocrites!

[MaggieD]

38. Well at least we have them on record!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876329

[hrmjustin]

40. 462 post thread over your source and none of them can complain about this site.

Shows you what we are dealing with.

[MaggieD]

45. IOKIYABS

Everybody knows that.

[OilemFirchen]

95. Nor the one from yesterday citing BEN fucking SHAPIRO:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post192

[hrmjustin]

98. Interesting how they tell us to look at our behavior but they refuse to look at their own.

[OilemFirchen]

112. I wish it were interesting.

That might suggest that it's out of the norm.

[workinclasszero]

73. They are probably busy posting at redstate or freakrepublic

at the moment.

[hrmjustin]

76. Yep! Trolls be trolling.

[nc4bo]

42. Recing because this stuff happens every damn day.

Ads for medical trials show up on tv like Ford truck ads except the guinea pigs are human beings. I have no idea what protections the volunteers have or may be asked to sign away. The commercials never mention that just the part about compensation for time and travel.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Because what better way to shed light on shoddy medical trials then by libeling the Clintons.

[Lilith Rising]

77. +1 - beat me to it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. Humans have an uncanny ability to rationalize anything...See the Milgram experiment.

[nc4bo]

114. The terrible awful thing is, associations similar to this one

Have consistently surrounded the Clinton's like smog.

Not guilty by association but perhaps incredibly coincidental.

[NCTraveler]

58. Desperation. nt.

[karynnj]

69. When donations were accepted by the Clinton Foundation and CAP, he was in good standing

I doubt there is a politician in the country who has never been embarrassed by a former donor. There are many many cases - on both sides of the aisle - of politicians donating to charity or returning donations of someone at a point where they are caught having done something wrong.

At worse that is likely what this could end up being. As long as we have a system where someone wanting to run for office needs to solicit donations -- it will continue. Getting big money out of politics would help - but there will still be small donations from people who no one later would want their name associated with.

[NCTraveler]

83. "Barack Obama, Wife Beater"

Headline from where you get your news. Pretty sure I can call it out if I want. Just because the source is tailored for you doesn't mean those of us who want real news are interested in it.

One of the greatest "We Report, You Decide" moments I have ever seen.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/01/barack-obama-wife-beater-photos/

[Lilith Rising]

97. OMG - LOL

'No, really, this source is totally legit!1!'

[NCTraveler]

90. Is there a competition I'm not aware of?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251877632

[Agschmid]

91. 13 Rec's of right wing crap.

Stay classy guys.

[workinclasszero]

108. In some lower region of hell

Dick Cheney is laughing.

[beam me up scottie]

208. You recommended Maggie's thread and it linked to a racist website, so you're no better.

[NCTraveler]

102. Love that you gave this one a reccomend.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876583

[hrmjustin]

104. The op is a hypocrite.

Let them hide it to silence me but it is clear the op is a hypocrite.

[Agschmid]

120. Just delete it don't let them hide you.

But yup I agree.

[beam me up scottie]

207. And you recommended Maggie's thread when she linked to a racist tea party website.

Pot meet kettle.

[NCTraveler]

212. Oops. This isn't my op. Lol

Getting good round here. I get that this is your thing.

[Historic NY]

109. It pretty bad here when you have to go visit asshole Tucker's site for dirt...

whats next freerepublic.....wait

[treestar]

115. not charged with murder, innocent until proven guilty

and the defendant is not Hillary.

[George II]

128. Annoying details, take your facts somewhere else!

[George II]

119. This is a disgusting and hopefully failed attempt to smear Clinton because a Clinton Foundation.....

....donor committed a crime.

How much lower can these attacks go?

[hrmjustin]

125. Oh it will only get lower. Trolls will troll.

[Armstead]

124. Source aside this is 150 degrees of seperation. Doesn't reflect on Clinton.

Some things do matter. But the Clintons can't be held responsible for all of the bad behavior of anyone who has supported them or their foundation.

[merrily]

126. That's Rich!

[Agschmid]

130. I can only assume by that you mean...

"This is a right wing source, I cannot believe you would use a site like the Daily Caller to make a point"

Right?

[merrily]

167. So, no sense of humor at all? Pity.

[Agschmid]

168. Well I guess it's better than your usual "BOOM".

[merrily]

170. BOOM! gives you agita? Oh, my.

[Agschmid]

172. NO.

Hypocrisy gives me "agita".

But hey I guess I expect too much.

[merrily]

189. Hypocrisy gives you agita? LOL! And the Sanders Group misses you.

Maybe you could work on discerning the difference between posting an obvious joke and validating a source.

However, when a source links to a Christmas song, it's bogus on its face. No one has to wonder.

[Agschmid]

190. It's not hypocritical to change who you support.

Sorry.

Did you want to try to call me a shill?

I know that's usually a few steps ahead but I'm open to skipping the middle stuff this time.

[merrily]

192. As you know, I personally don't believe you changed and I never called you a shill.

If you claim I have, a link would prove it.

[Agschmid]

193. The shill comment was just banter... I have yet to see that from you specifically.

And I know you don't think I changed my mind, that's fine it's not my job to make you believe the facts.

Know this I still think Bernie is a good guy and you won't find me on the bash threads, it's not my thing.

[merrily]

195. Your posts spoke volumes, long before you announced your, um, change of heart.

And that's the fact, Jack.

When I pointed that out to you before you announced your change, you replied only "It is what it is." Yep, it was.

[Agschmid]

196. The fact is I don't hate on people who might need to win a GE, that's the fact.

That goes for Bernie, Hillary, or even O'Malley.

We are going down memory lane here... But I lived in VT for about 10 years and I have actually had the pleasure of volunteering, voting for, and meeting Semator Sanders more than once. He even came and spoke at a meeting we had on campus when I was attending school there, it was really cool and I learned a lot.

I know it's apparently "fun" to think everyone has an ulterior motive, but some of us don't. Some of us just post here, and have no connections outside DU on Facebook or alternate websites... We are just here and yet we get cast as having ridiculous motives with every post we make.

It's fine clearly if I could handle the name calling, or mocking, or accusations of month long webs of lies, I wouldn't be here. But I can, so here I am, still.

[merrily]

197. I don't hate. That's your imagination, not my words.

[MaggieD]

138. What happened to your aversion to right wing sites?

Shortest conversion in history? Or is it another case of IOKIYABSS?

[rogerashton]

129. For whatever this is worth --

http://fortune.com/2012/09/18/bad-to-the-bone-a-medical-horror-story/
http://fortune.com/2012/09/18/bad-to-the-bone-a-medical-horror-story/]

[Agschmid]

132. I did Ctrl+F "Clinton", it wasn't found in that source.

I'd say lets post that in GD, that article is worth a discussion.

The link to Clinton from The Daily Caller is not.

[rogerashton]

166. It's old.

I think the point of digging it up again is that the Clinton Foundation has accepted contributions SINCE the criminal charges occurred.

I'm not sure that is particularly terrible. Indeed, the accusation that Wyss' company engaged in gangsterism seems a little questionable to me. Testing a procedure on human subjects who have little to lose may not be such a terrible thing in itself -- but it is illegal, and the coverup makes it look much worse.

And is it wrong to accept contributions for a charitable cause from a felon?

Anyway, the right will use it against Clinton, and Democrats need to be aware of that -- especially pro-Hillary Dems -- and the right response is not to condemn the source (which does smell) but to consider the consequences.

[leftofcool]

136. Once again carrying water for the GOP

[SidDithers]

151. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

And it's becoming increasingly clear that there's not a dime's worth of difference between them.

Sid

[Thinkingabout]

155. This one will not get traction, we should be more worried about the gun issues Sanders has voted.

Too many people have been killed from gun violence and congressional members are responsible for their votes.

[berni_mccoy]

169. And their deaths are on the hands of Politicians who accept mega donations from SuperPACs...

Politicians like Clinton. Just how do you think the NRA was able to drive Congress completely into inaction on this issue.

Money in Politics IS THE PROBLEM.

[Thinkingabout]

173. Yes when NRA donates $18,000 to defeat your opponent then you vote the NRA way, lots of

gun violence has resulted. Hillary did not vote against the Brady Bill five times. This one belongs to Sanders.

[berni_mccoy]

175. Yeah, she only takes money from Wealthy Conservatives, Anti-Muslim and Anti-Environmental Tycoons

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251881338

[Thinkingabout]

177. Gun violence continues, congressional members do not have what it takes to stand up to NRA.

[MineralMan]

178. Guilt by Association?

Really. How odd. Someone donated money to a foundation, which had no idea that anything untoward was going on. So, now, there's a court case about something that happened with that being connected to the donor. How does Hillary Clinton have anything to do with this?

This is the weakest kind of way to attempt to attack a political candidate. I think it's embarrassing that it would appear on DU.

You might want to consider self-deleting this OP.

[Beacool]

179. The Clinton Foundation does wonderful work around the world.

There are thousands of people alive today who wouldn't be if the Foundation hadn't managed to establish a new pricing scale for AZTs that reduced the price of the medication by hundreds of dollars and made it accessible to most people. They have been commended by the WHO and other international organizations for their work in the field of treatment of HIV patients in Africa and elsewhere.

Wyss may have turned out to be a crook, but I'm sure that the $5M he donated to the Foundation were put to good use.

BTW, donating to the Clinton Foundation is not kin to donating to the Hillary for president campaign, don't conflate the two.

[Starry Messenger]

181. Daily Caller now, huh?

I'd say the bottom of barrel has been reached, but you guys dug past that weeks ago. Keep it classy.

[Jarqui]

182. Going from 2008 "palling around with terrorists" to 2016 "palling around with murderers"

I can see the GOP headlines already ...

It'll get some legs but I doubt much. Depends on who knew what when ,etc. I don't think it's likely to stick as long as a contribution to Clinton Foundation is all that's involved

[zappaman]

185. Well, this is a new low for DU.

Congratulations, I guess.

[berni_mccoy]

187. Actually the low point was hit here

By Hillary fans:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251876329

Daily Caller is a step up from that.

[Agschmid]

194. "Daily Caller a step up"

Good lord.

This place sometimes.

[Cha]

205. Tucker Carlson lives on DU!

[beam me up scottie]

206. You rec'd Maggie's thread which linked to a racist tea party website so you're no better.

Every Hillary supporter who gleefully recommended her thread is just as guilty.

After reading what progressivestoday writes about our President you should be ashamed.

[Cha]

209. Yep, good ol tucker.

[demmiblue]

186. Unrec for source.

Both sides need to get a grip.

I encourage others to hide OP's from right-wing sources. It has gotten out of hand.

[Agschmid]

191. Yup, +1 for sanity.

[Major Hogwash]

200. A very rich donor.

I hope he gets what is coming to him.

[seabeyond]

201. Just how fuckin' low are we allowing on DU these days? Wowsers.

[beam me up scottie]

202. Your source is as bad as Maggie's, both of you should have deleted your links.

When we drive traffic to those sites we're putting money in their pockets.

Jurors need to start voting to hide these threads if posters aren't going to have the decency to delete the links.

If the story is legit it will be covered by a non-right wing source.




Eta: Any HC supporter who rec'd Maggie's thread and helped put it on the greatest page has no right to complain about this one.

If you reward people who cite racist tea party websites like progressivestoday you're just as guilty - so stop whinging about this one because it's anti-Hillary.

[msanthrope]

210. You just proved MaggieD correct with this post.....

If the story is legit, non-RW sources will cover it.

MaggieD had the Times Argus. The OP has nothing.

[beam me up scottie]

211. Both linked to right wing sources, both are guilty of putting money in their pockets.

You're defending a fellow Hillary supporter who linked to a disgusting racist, homophobic and misogynistic website when she didn't need to because you're on the same team.

Your hypocrisy is noted.