Hillary Clintons 3 dimensional campaign is hurting her badly

[retrowire]

that triangulation though.

which way are we going Hillary? left? right? center? do you consider yourself progressive or moderate? what's going on?

*shrugs*

I'll just vote for someone who has more clarity in their message then.

"Hillary would you voted to expand social security?"

"I would... (pauses and thinks) ENHANCE social security"

never forget that moment. lol why choose a different word when your answer is no? haha nevermind.

[leftofcool]

1. Obviously not

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251881915

[coyote]

5. Polls Polls Polls!!!

The polls only matter if the people go out and vote. And the way I see it, going out and voting for Hillary is as about as exciting as eating brussel sprouts for dinner. Sanders on the other hand has excited and motivated his base....time will tell.

[1monster]

10. NO! I have a tremendous lot more of enthusiasm for having brussel sprouts

(broccoli, and cauliflower) for dinner than I have for the idea of voting for Hillary. (I really like those veggies - especially when steamed in butter.)

[MoonRiver]

33. The vast majority of Democrats disagree with you.

But don't let facts get in your way.

[JaneyVee]

25. 60-30 in the primary and beats every Republican.

Yeah, she's really "hurting".

[brooklynite]

2. Doesn't seem to be hurting her with the 20 M Democrats inclined to vote for her.

[bl968]

12. Finally a honest Hillary supporter.

20million sounds like a lot but it is less than 50% of the Democratic Party, so you admit she's gonna lose the primary and Bernie Sanders will be the Democratic Party Nominee in 2016. *cheer*

[brooklynite]

14. No, but believe it if it makes you feel better...

...In 2008, both Clinton and Obama got 18 M, so I rounded up a bit for neatness. If it'll make you feel better, let's say 25 M.

As for Bernie, his supporters seem to be happy to tell me he'll win, but never how or by how much. Care to fill in the blanks?

[bl968]

15. You are deluding yourself

There are 43 million registered democrats...

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary Sanders support is still rising Clinton's has fallen off.

About time for her campaign to pay for a few more opinion polls.

[JaneyVee]

26. I think you're a bit deluded on this....

Hillary won the popular vote in 2008 and polls show not much movement with Hillary maintaining a 25-30 point lead.

[Cal33]

37. Here's the prediction from Western Illinois Univ. Presidential Prediction polls for 2016. They

began their predictions in 1975 (that's 40 years!!), and have been correct every single time so
far. They predicted 49% for Sanders, and 38% for Bush. They even predicted O'Malley as
Sanders' V-P. Until now, their accuracy rate has been 100%.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Western-Illinois-University-Predicts-Bernie-Sanders-Victory-in-2016-346130992.html

[Thor_MN]

18. A dishonest Sanders supporters would assume that everyone else will vote for Sanders...

They would know that the whole party will not vote in the primary and that not voting for Clinton does not mean voting for Sanders.

*Cheers*

[brooklynite]

23. Ah, the "secret voters" argument...

...the pool of Democrats who bothered to vote in 2008 was 36 M. You can believe there are millions more ready to vote for the first time, but you might want to talk to Bernie first; he doesn't seem to believe they exist:

In South Carolina, Sanders acknowledges he'd lose Democratic nomination if election held now

NORTH CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — Bernie Sanders acknowledged on Saturday that he'd lose the Democratic primary to Hillary Rodham Clinton if the election were held now.

"We started way, way, way down," the Vermont senator told reporters while campaigning in North Charleston, South Carolina. "I think you're going to see us picking up a lot of steam here in South Carolina. ... I will not deny, if the election were held today, we would lose."

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/11/21/sanders-allows-hed-lose-democratic-primary-if-held-today

[liberalmike27]

29. Not Secret

Just disaffected. Many poor Democrats, seeing their party never mentions the working poor, the struggling, and always yammers on about the middle class, and elects candidates that hobnob with the $2700 +$2700 contribution crowd, and ignores Netroots, and other poor groups, might actually jump and vote for Sanders in the primary this time.

We finally have a candidate that helps more than the rich Democrats. At least his ideas would. Admittedly both candidates will have time passing things that are truly lefty, though I'd imagine Hillary will just be signing Republican bills into law. I trust Sanders to VETO Republican BS.

[brooklynite]

36. They are "secret" in that they avoid showing up in any polling analysis

Either they're registered to vote, in which case they're as likely as anyone else to show up in an RV poll, or they're not registered in which case, they're increasingly unlikely to be able to vote in 2016.

[daleanime]

3. Yeahup.....

totally trustworthy.


Just in case.

[seabeyond]

4. She is kicking ass and well ahead. In order for your statement to work, we need to see struggle.

[peacebird]

6. When she loses the first two primaries it'll be hard for M$M to continue selling the inevitable bit

[seabeyond]

9. Ha. Ok peace.

[joshcryer]

7. It remains to be seen if the low key approach is going to hurt.

She's probably been correctly advised that having any events without limited tickets could spell disaster if they didn't fill every seat. So she will continue doing them. If she wins the primary and the post-primary events aren't stacked with supporters the media will try to run a horse race narrative.

(Not that any Republican could beat the Democrats.)

[Laser102]

8. Wishing and hoping and planning and praying will not make her lose.

[tecelote]

11. Hoping and praying maybe.

But, it's the planning that will be her undoing.

Republicans win when there is low voter turnout.

The polls that show Bernie against any Republican has him winning by a significant margin. Hillary doesn't fare as well.

Bernie will get people to vote. He has the fire inside to stoke the embers.

This will be an historical election that will begin to bring America back to the people.

[Moostache]

19. Like the thoughts...doubt the reality.

Bernie is a great candidate to make sure that Progressive ideals are not completely abandoned, but the harsh reality is America has not belonged to the "people" since corporations became one.

[tecelote]

24. Yes. That is why I said "...begin to bring America back to the people."

We need to begin taking it back.

As you mention, we and our government are owned right now. Not exactly a Democracy.

[DhhD]

27. I am looking forward to a series of speeches by Sanders as to why Obama could not keep

his 2008 campaign promises. That would better reveal the Republican-lite of Clinton and Obama Plans. At least PBO is keeping boots out of the ME but on low idle. Clinton is a warhawk, IMO.

Sanders can keep those Progressive promises and deepen them. Clinton will deepen the triangulation issues that wedge away from the democratic progressive principles and to the New Democrat third way, just as she said in the 2015 primary debates.

Superdelegates are listening.

[retrowire]

13. did i do any of that in my op?

I'll wait.

[Gamecock Lefty]

16. Hillary is not really triangulating . . .

She is circling. Running circles around poor Bernie!!!

Expand vs enhance? Really?

Raise hell, Hillary!

[MattSh]

34. Yes she is circling...

around the soon to be dead carcass of the middle class.

Mmmm, them's fine pickings!

[DhhD]

35. Clinton set a 20% reduction in drug prices with Big Pharma if We the People will vote for her to

move SS into privatization for a 20% management fee. A tit for a tat, leaves We the People with rising drug prices in the following years while Wall Street keeps an ever increasing percent charge as the cost of living rises.

That is triangulation.

Gamecock,
Please give us the Sanders Plan for medicine.
Thank you.

[retrowire]

39. lol, if you are really willing to fall for an obvious attempt to dance around a straight answer

and not see that as dishonest then be my guest.

[asuhornets]

17. This post is in response to Bernie being called....

a one-dimensional candidate-which he is. GO Hillary

[Buzz Clik]

22. +1

Even in his statement on climate change, he was all about hating banksters.

[DhhD]

31. Sanders is responsibile to We the Peopls and has no need to triangulate from persmission from

the bankers to set a policy for We the People. Americans have had enough! In no way will I accept that HRC is working against bankers, her donors.

[Buzz Clik]

21. Oh, my!

Clinton went from being hurt for zero-dimensionality (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251883352) to being hurt for three-dimensionality. That's a lot of hurt!

In making the transition from zero-dimension to 3-D, is it possible to suffer from some sort of dimensional whiplash? Will she transform into some sort of unstoppable super being?

[retrowire]

40. mock the posts, because you can't possibly defend her. ;)

Such a winning strategy.

I still, to this day have not witnessed a Hillary supporter defend her for these things. It's so sad.

I mean, I can defend my candidate all day, every day. All Hillary supporters can do is this. Laugh and mock.

That laughter only shows insecurity in your candidate. I'm sorry about that.

[Buzz Clik]

43. I am no Hillary fan: baggage, polarizing.

But this shit? Give me a break.

"She's zero dimensional!"

"She's three dimensional triangulator!"

I am absolutely on the fence, but the silliness of the Sanders crowd at DU is not helping his cause ONE BIT.

[retrowire]

44. Yep, you just revealed your hand.

Sorry, but the supporters of a candidate are not a logical reason to criticize a candidate.

Whenever I hear THAT nonsense, I just see that someone is trying to shame the supporters, "You'd better behave or I won't like your candidate!"

Take that bullshit elsewhere. Hillary supporters don't change my opinion of Hillary. I think Hillary is nice and is a great women's rights champion, but it's not her supporters attitudes that lead me to think "Oh, I'll never support Hillary, because her supporters on the internet are mean!"

So really, you've lost all credibility to me. I don't think logical human beings really look at a candidate and judge them based on their supporters actions. I hold the candidate accountable for their actions, not their supporters, and you should do the same.

[Utopian Leftist]

45. + 1, well said!

It's about time someone put a stop to that nonsense. It's like,

Bernie, not Hillary, pays more than lip service to solving global warming!

Bernie, not Hillary, prevents an economic catastrophe the likes of which our nation has never seen!

Bernie, not Hillary, is a once-in-a-lifetime candidate, who we can trust to make a true effort to promote actual, progressive values and ideas.

Bernie, not Hillary, stops the zombie apocalypse! (Okay now I'm stretching but you get the picture).

"BUT

BUT I can't vote for Bernie because one of his followers ever so rudely called me 'feeble-minded.'"

News flash: in that scenario "feeble-minded" would be a compliment!

[merrily]

28. Do Third Way pols use "enhance" the same way they use "reform?"

If so, Katy, Bar the Door.

[liberalmike27]

30. Means

Cut/Reduce

[merrily]

32. They have to cut it to save it.

However, that never applies to the military, the CIA, the FBI, the NSA, Homeland Security, etc.

[tex-wyo-dem]

38. Hillary's going to "enhance" social security?

Kinda like a boxer telling his opponent "I'm gonna enhance your face"?

[Skidmore]

41. Great little convenience sample of one you

have going there.

[retrowire]

42. it ain't my job to point it all out to you.

but there's plenty to see.