30 years of insane Republicans and triangulating Democrats,

[MannyGoldstein]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Skinner (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

and here we are:



This lunatic Fascist is a serious contender to hold the most powerful office on Earth.

Obviously, what we need is more triangulation from Democrats.

[merrily]

1. Hillary to Trump: "You don't get it. This makes us less safe."

And my irony meter overloaded.

[FlatBaroque]

2. This thread should be locked

for no other reason except that disgustingly large picture of t-Rump

[Jester Messiah]

59. I'm certain it'll be up for Jury decision

Here on whinychild underground.

*honestly at this point I'm just waiting to be given the GTFO. I'm over it.

[Fawke Em]

70. Whinychild Underground

[Cosmic Kitten]

3. Coincidence?

[jalan48]

6. Bill has positioned himself once again.

[Cosmic Kitten]

9. Gawd...I loath the idea of his skeevy hands in the Whitehouse

[tularetom]

13. I'd ask you "Which one?"

But I guess the answer would be "It doesn't matter".

[KittyWampus]

44. I alerted your post and it was already alerted on. Using YOUR word...

Sanders supporters show their "skeevy" sides yet again in that it was allowed to remain.

What?

You don't think your post was over the line?

You don't think Sanders supporters are skeevy?

I loath the fact posts like yours are allowed to remain on this site.

Congratulations for helping DU stink, Cosmic Kitten.

[senz]

49. I had to look up the word "skeevy" and

wow, so what? According to the Urban Dictionary, it means "Shifty, sleazy, creepy, dirty, dodgy, nasty."

Again, so what? Those adjectives fall under that category of subjective impressions. Cosmic Kitten is allowed her own personal subjective impressions of various politicians, and in this case, we don't even know which one she was referring to. She didn't insult a fellow DUer, she didn't say anything "over the top" or hurtful, didn't disrupt the conversation. Hardly alertable.

I'd say your personal attack on Cosmic Kitten is much worse -- and more disruptive -- than what she said there. You're lucky I'm not one of the serial alerters who go around making this place truly "stink" -- to use your term. I am so sick of all this frivolous alerting. It's clearly an outlet for uncontrollable hostility, a substitute for physical aggression.

I know that the administrators of this website are clever, versatile, talented, creative individuals and I wish they would apply their good minds to resolving the problem of frivolous alerts. In fact, I think I'm going to go over there and make a suggestion right now.

[KittyWampus]

50. Of course you have no problem calling Bill Clinton "skeevy". You apparently are a Sanders supporter

and that largely says it all.

I do not want Hillary Clinton for POTUS. Not the hugest fan of Bill Clinton.

But "skeevy" is not a word that applies to Clinton.

There's a reason she used that word.

[senz]

55. You didn't even read what I wrote.

I said we do not know whether or not she was referring to Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.

But it doesn't really matter, because we are allowed our personal reactions to politicians, and, believe it or not, Bill Clinton is indeed a politician.

Furthermore, there are known aspects of B.C.'s past that can accurately be termed "skeevy." He's a rather lusty male, plain and simple, and several of his conquests have tattled on him. Lots of men are like that, for whatever reason. Societies throughout history have tried to deal with the male penchant for aggressive sexuality and aggression itself. Maybe we should review the various approaches throughout history and model ourselves after the more successful ones.

And now we're getting into an area where I could write an essay, had I world enough and time, so I'll just say this: I personally dislike the way human beings judge one another on victimless sexual behaviors; I think it's a) personal and b) trivial. I prefer the French approach to these matters. However, given the social norms within which we live, there is nothing wrong with what she said.

But I would LOVE to know what you think her "reason" is for using "that word." I honestly cannot imagine what it might be, so please enlighten us.

Thanks!

[rhett o rick]

64. Seems some are just looking for something to get outraged about to justify attacking others. nm

[bvar22]

60. Your post was a much more abusive Personal Attack...

..than the post of the DU member YOU attacked.
You kiss your children with that mouth?

"I loath the fact posts like yours are allowed to remain on this site."

Yes. I know you would like to have complete control over what anyone posts to DU.
There have been people and countries that have actually done that.....
It didn't work out well.

[KittyWampus]

61. LOL! I'm not one of the authoritarians on DU. That would be the ideologues >>>

you know, the ones who can't understand the fact a Democrat/Leftist might not support Sanders.

But you go ahead and defend calling Bill Clinton "skeevy".

Want a good example of authoritarianism?

"Progressives, populists, liberals, independents, and even conservatives must condemn this attempt to subvert democratic values and insist that Bernie Sanders be named TIME’s 2015 Person of the Year."

http://thebernreport.com/times-rejection-of-bernie-sanders-should-be-prompt-outrage

[Gore1FL]

66. What did the Jury say?

Please post the results.

[marble falls]

73. 0-7 no go. (I bet) There's so much alert abuse here lately. I was on another jury that went 1-6...

in Manny7's favor about the OP.

[John Poet]

79. You alerted on THAT? Pretty skeevy of you.

[SoapBox]

58. Cosmic Kitten...+1000000

I never want him (or her) in the White House again.

Ick.

[840high]

63. ...^ that

[DhhD]

25. IMO, Bill Clinton has positioned tRump to appeal to the left leaning Republican base.

It has worked against the Republican candidates, but not the Base. The R-Base likes to see a war. Bill believes R-Left Leaners will vote for Hillary after tRump steps down and out after stirring up the warmongers.

IMO, if Superdelegates vote for Hillary, then it will be written in history that the Democratic Party purchased the Bush War in Iraq.

Sanders policy is for the House of Saud to pick up their responsibility. Clinton wants We the People to pay into, war for profit.

Sanders will not accept another Nixon. Neither should Americans.

[senz]

47. Well thought out and well said, DhhD.

I had to think about the ideas in your comment because they are new to me, but on reflection they make tremendous sense. You have a large perspective and the way you connect the dots is very insightful.

This sums up the most odious aspects of the Clinton candidacy for me:

Clinton wants We the People to pay into, war for profit.

Because she couldn't give a damn about the American people, is drawn to war, and is in full cooperation with profiteers. It's the Republican mindset but worse for its establishment* Democratic wrappings.

*establishment since the 1990s when the Dem party became infested with undemocratic pollutants.

Also, regarding your first statement, did you know that Thom Hartmann has speculated that Trump may be in the race to soften things up for other candidates, Hillary, in particular? It's incredible, but I can see it. I wonder how often We the People are punked by those at the top?

[kath]

80. "since the 1990s when the Dem party became infested with undemocratic pollutants"!

I love the way you put it. You sure have a way with words!

the big question - how the hell do we end the disgusting infestation and get our Party - the Party of FDR - back??

[Major Hogwash]

48. I just linked this picture to my Facebook page.

I had never seen it before.
I think millions more need to see it.
Thanx.

[senz]

51. Somebody recently posted several photos of HRC grinning it up

with her Republican friends. There are a couple where it looks like she's infatuated with Henry Kissinger.

Yes, they should go out onto Facebook. I am pretty sure Facebook has wider exposure than DU.

[senz]

56. LOL -- I think you're stretching it with the cigar symbolism!

As Freud is said to have said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

[Bernardo de La Paz]

52. Steve Jobs / Bill Gates had opposite philosophies about consumer computers. They photographed

Steve Jobs and Bill Gates had opposite philosophies about consumer computers and their companies competed tooth-and-nail against each other. All the same they photographed and smiled together.

1985, 1991, 2007:







Just so you don't think they were lovey-dovey:

Gates [...] calls Jobs "fundamentally odd" and "weirdly flawed" as a person. He also gives the somewhat backhanded compliment that Jobs "really never knew much about technology, but he had an amazing instinct for what works."

"BIll is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology."

[Broward]

4. Exactly right. It takes two to tango.

To pretend otherwise only perpetuates the problem and makes things worse.

[WillyT]

5. WORD !!!

[pa28]

7. Yeah. Trump didn't just emerge from a vacuum.

Blame thirty years of bad politics on both sides and broken promises of change. Now 45% of the American people think it might be a good idea to give the fascist a try.

[Ed Suspicious]

10. Even people who don't buy the bullshit he's selling say they'll vote for him because he seems like a

truth-teller.

[DhhD]

15. 55% want to give the 2008 promises of change to a candidate beholding to no Republican and

no New Democrat triangulating with the 1%. The Clinton's seem to live in the company of fellow 1%ers.

I want a, We the People, candidate to win the Presidency. The Clinton's have been on the side of privatization from long ago. IMO, wanting to privatize Iraqi Oil was a monumental blow to We the People, and it is still causing warring today.

[Warren Stupidity]

17. Trump is a stalking horse supposed to make

the other fascist fuckwads acceptable. That the stalking horse might win the race was an unexpected development.

[Ed Suspicious]

38. I can see that. Good post.

[retrowire]

8. no more drifting right

not an inch.

if we get Hillary, we've given them an inch and then they'll take the mile.

if we get trump.... well, we just gave them everything.

Bernie! Because we won't be moving rightward ANYMORE.

[RoccoR5955]

16. Like I say...

Give them an inch, and they think they're a ruler!
No more inches!

[RecoveringJournalist]

46. Inches

And we all know how much those extremists need their inches. Compensate much?

[Betty Karlson]

43. How about we campaign for a mile, and are greatful for any inch we manage to win back? eom

[LexVegas]

11. Thanks for giving us Trump, fucking Obama!

[senz]

20. Did the phrase "thirty years" go over your head?

[daleanime]

24. Probably not, just looking for a way.....

to minimize anything they don't want to deal with.

[merrily]

33. nice

[Scootaloo]

31. Obama's been in office for thirty years?

[berni_mccoy]

39. Clinton is more Conservative than Obama. Are you really sure you want to bring that topic up?

[Warren Stupidity]

12. We have to defend the "center"!

That the center is now to the right of Richard "dick" friggin Nixon causes me to have flashbacks to my riot boy days of the late 60s and early 70s.

With the current crop of nazis we should see the "center" drift to the right of Ronald Reagan.

It is almost like they had a goddamn plan to use the two institutionalized parties in a good cop / bad cop dance to transform the republic into an authoritarian neocon neolib nightmare.

[Fuddnik]

22. Then you would remember a famous quote by John Mitchell, as they were leading him to prison.

"This country's going to move so far to the right, you won't recognize it".

Didn't believe him then, but I do now.

[Ford_Prefect]

29. What do you mean "almost". Didn't you read the prospectus from Rand corp.?

This is exactly what they planned to do. Carter was the only deviation on that path and look what they did to him.

The plan was to distract us enough that we did not notice the shift. That strategy appears to have worked on most Americans. Riddle me this: Why are there no corporate bankers in jail? (answer: Professional Courtesy). Why were no questions asked about the no-bid arms and services contracts let during Iraq and Afghan wars? (same answer).

Have you noticed what happens to anyone who asks the big "why"? Typically they are accused of not being loyal enough...to the party (either one), to America, to "Christianity", to The NRA, to Free Enterprise, and so on. Often the response is that you must be out of your mind, or how dare you question (which ever sacred cow)!

Grouch Marx was right. So was John Lennon.

All Hail Lennon & Marx.

"How can you be in 2 places at once when you're not anywhere at all?" A question neither official party can answer in public, although they have no problem locating the answer during an exclusive fund raising dinner.

[erronis]

67. +100 - great post! I like "Professional Courtesy" - especially among thieves.

[merrily]

34. 20 consecutive years of Democratic Presidents forced Eisenhower and Nixon to the left.

23 years of the New Democrat Party forced the right into Looneyville.

[navarth]

36. + a gazillion. nt

[Thespian2]

71. Right On!!

Actually, I wanted to say that the clown car is full of raving lunatics...but I know some of them are well aware that the shit flowing out of their mouths is calculated to put more money in their pockets...

[PowerToThePeople]

62. I agree.

Neo-liberal and neo-conservative are two terms used to describe the same political ideology.

[floriduck]

14. If real progressives are worried about what either

Hill or Bernie can get done with the Congress in place now, how will this moon bat get anything done with a Republican led Congress who thinks Trump's as crazy as we all do?

[gregcrawford]

18. If this sonofabitch is so RICH...

... he should be able to afford to hire someone who know how to apply his fake tan properly.

[bvf]

19. "A little to your right. Just a little more...

Ju-u-ust a bit more...

A little more... Keep going... I'll say when, don't worry..."

*sigh*

[senz]

21. Yes, the 1980s opened the door and the 90s left it open.

We should have stopped the process long before it got this far. You don't compromise the basic values on which this country was founded.

[Duval]

23. At least Republican contenders are calling him out on this.

I don't know when Trump will shut his big mouth and disappear. However, our media is not helping by having Trump on the news all but 24/7! I happened to turn on Morning Joe today, and was glad to hear some sense coming out of that show, for once. And yeah, sure we need more triangulation...right! (sarcasm) Good post, MannyGoldstein.

[ladjf]

26. There seems to be something wrong with or processes that select leaders. nt

[The River]

30. Corporate Media

From AM radio to Faux News to M$NBC. They don't want average citizens to know how badly we are getting screwed over. Oh look...a squirrel.

[ladjf]

32. The Corporate Media is definitely one of the biggest problems. nt

[SmittynMo]

37. 6 people own all of the media

Does anyone see an issue with this? We're all being brain washed.

[Enthusiast]

27. Kicked and recommended!

[JDPriestly]

28. Well said. This is where the Third Way Democrats, mostly the Clntons,

have gotten us. There is a direct relationship between the compromising of Democrats on Democratic values and the rise of the Fascist right in the Republican Party.

Our Democrats in Congress are far to acquiescent and cooperative in helping the Republicans win elections and get their ways.

Our Democrats in Congress either don't believe in the traditional values of the FDR Democratic Party or they don't have the courage to speak up for them.

Compromise is great, but you don't compromise until you have fought as hard ad you can (legally and nonviolently of course) for what you believe is right. Only when opposing sides struggle with equal determination to do what they believe is right to get a society that is fair and moral.

Too many of our leading Democrats are quick to make sneaky deals. That's just plain wrong. The ACA is an improvement over what we had, but it leaves many Americans without health insurance, and it has allowed pharmaceutical companies to raise prices at unacceptable rates in many cases.

[madfloridian]

81. .....

[brooklynite]

40. What we need is a candidate with the resources and skill to run a national campaign...

...So far, Sanders is showing strength in a handful of small-EV States. I'll go with someone who can run on a larger scale.

[passiveporcupine]

41. This picture makes me think of "You're so vain"

I bet you think this song is about you.

[merrily]

57. I love that song, the lyrics (clouds in my coffee), the mystery, the whole nine

Taylor Swift, queen of the break up song, called it the ultimate break up song. (Swift and Simon sang it together at Gillette Stadium.) Simon recently said Warren Beatty was one of the men she had mind when she wrote it.

1984

[pansypoo53219]

42. calling him 1/2 orangatang is an insult to orangatangs.

[captainarizona]

45. white third way democrats problem

Only 39% of white people voted democrat in 2012 and even a majority of white women voted republican. This is no problem for left democrats as we prefer working with minority democrats who soon will be majority of party. Big problem for white corporate democrats who want to push corporate agenda and run for office. This is why they keep trying to appeal to moderate republicans(if any still exist) instead of democratic party base which they think is to liberal! In arizona fred duvaal ran for governor as third way democrat trying to appeal to republicans who loath democrats instead of latinos who loath republicans. The rich old white democrats in my state fear if latinos take over the party they can't win primary election for their self aggradizement ego trips!

[UglyGreed]

54. Ain't that the truth

K/R

[MrMickeysMom]

65. The Horror!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

68. "Obviously, what we need is more triangulation from Democrats."

On the Republican side they're claiming Obama has an"Open Border" policy to overrun the United States of *By God White* America with Muslim Terrorists as part of the War On Christmas.

[KMOD]

69. This has nothing to do with the Democratic Primary race.

Donald Trump is an ass, but discussion on the Republican primary, belongs in the General Discussion forum.

This should be locked and reposted in the General Discussion forum, as in line the with the GDP SOP rules.

[rhett o rick]

72. I don't blame you for not getting it but the OP is about the failure of Democrats

to stop the Republicons from gaining so much power. It was a little subtle. Maybe this was a clue, "Obviously, what we need is more triangulation from Democrats." It was sarcastic.

[KMOD]

74. Lame. Very lame.

I get Manny's point. It still belongs in GD, not GDP.

GDP is for the Democratic primaries. It is not for your disgust with the Democratic Party, or to discuss Donald Trump. This post belongs in GD.

[rhett o rick]

76. I have a hunch that your enthusiasm for making sure that no severe damage occurs with

an OP in the wrong forum only applies if that OP criticizes HRC and not Sen Sanders.

[KMOD]

77. You're hunch would be very wrong.

[one_voice]

75. That's special. Democrats are responsible..

for this piece of shit. Elizabeth Hasselbeck blamed Obama for Trump.....

I should say I find that interesting...but I won't or don't...either way....

[KMOD]

78. The logic is crazy, and doesn't make any sense.

I love and appreciate the hosts, who volunteer their time and energy to the forums.

But it saddens me that consistency and decorum are lost, because of a few bad apples.

C'mon, a simple reading of the SOP, and this is a no brainer, yet. .......

[JoePhilly]

82. Should Bernie go after Trump's fascist base?

Those are the only people supporting Trump.

Democrats did not create them. They've been the GOP base for 3 decades.

Do you think Bernie can win them over?

[Cheese Sandwich]

83. Socialism is the antidote to fascism. Bernie is the anti-Trump.