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Video: Sanders responds to lame claim that he won't talk about ISIS (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 OP
Damn right! HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #1
This is more than lame marym625 Dec 2015 #2
Yes, indeed -- a lot of us are more interested in hearing about J-O-B-S. pacalo Dec 2015 #3
Who in the world said he won't talk about ISIS? nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #4
Various OPs in GDP and some major news outlets HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #5
He talks about it often. I seem to be missing something. Thanks. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #6
Exactly HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #8
On his own campaign site as well. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #10
Current right wing smear against Sanders. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #9
"Being propagated here by the Clinton campaign. " NCTraveler Dec 2015 #12
It is merely a conjecture. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #16
I truly had no clue her campaign had a presence here. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #49
He has no plan to deal with ISIS upaloopa Dec 2015 #11
Now that I agree with. Doesn't mean he doesn't talk about it. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #18
He does, but just like every other time you say "He has no plan to _____" jeff47 Dec 2015 #25
OMG He has no plan to fight terror !!!!11z!11 Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #42
Do you REALLY believe that crap helps Hillary? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #56
Several people on this thread, evidently Scootaloo Dec 2015 #13
Thanks. Didn't see where this was an actual request by his campaign. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #24
It's a request to remain topical at this particular meeting Scootaloo Dec 2015 #27
His campaign made the request... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #57
His Press Secretary. elleng Dec 2015 #15
Thank you very much. Now it all makes sense. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #22
Ellen, don't go down the dark road of mischaracterization. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #23
What did I say to suggest I was mischaracterizing? elleng Dec 2015 #28
Creating a thread saying that Bernie doesn't want to talk about ISIS HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #32
I deleted the newsworthy thread I created as soon as I learned there was another. elleng Dec 2015 #50
There's this site called DU, where people post threads.... jeff47 Dec 2015 #19
Now I get it. Sanders campaign itself made the request. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #21
Yes, he dared to want to discuss social justice after several meetings about social justice. jeff47 Dec 2015 #31
ok. lol. So it was his request. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #34
And talking about ISIL, and only ISIL, is an example of that? (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #35
Which candidate is only talking ISIL? NCTraveler Dec 2015 #36
I'm referring to the questions the media asks. jeff47 Dec 2015 #37
They are clearly concerned with that from what is being said here. Thanks. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #39
Well said by Sanders. TM99 Dec 2015 #7
Right, but a president needs to be able to multi task. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #17
He was multitasking HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #26
It's funny Scootaloo Dec 2015 #30
It's very important to Hillary's supporters... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #59
Talking about ISIL, and only ISIL, is not multi-tasking. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2015 #33
Oh bullshit Janey. TM99 Dec 2015 #38
But if Hillary avoids important questions? Lazy Daisy Dec 2015 #54
Thanks... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #60
A President needs to be able to maintain focus... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #58
I couldn't agree more with it. He said it just right. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #47
Those attacks didn't pass the horseshit sniff test. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #14
This. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #52
Well said Bernie! n/t 99th_Monkey Dec 2015 #20
K&R..... daleanime Dec 2015 #29
Bernie's response to the question on why he didn't mention ISIS: Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #40
The response from the ministers was a beautiful thing. Kentonio Dec 2015 #41
It's time to put the focus on rebuilding our broken communities Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #45
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #43
Bernie had a great moment today in Baltimore. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #44
This guy is the fucking real deal! Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #46
+1 Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #48
+1 UglyGreed Dec 2015 #51
I agree with Bernie! JDPriestly Dec 2015 #53
kick.... Segami Dec 2015 #55
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
12. "Being propagated here by the Clinton campaign. "
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:42 PM
Dec 2015

Love it. I truly had no clue her campaign had a presence here.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
11. He has no plan to deal with ISIS
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:41 PM
Dec 2015

What he said about the neighborhoods was good. I understand what he was doing.

Possibly a job as HHS Secretary would be good.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
18. Now that I agree with. Doesn't mean he doesn't talk about it.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:44 PM
Dec 2015

It's obvious he doesn't want to, doesn't mean he isn't. I will always remember the last debate as Sanders simply refers to them as "Muslim countries" as he didn't want to reference the wrong place.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
25. He does, but just like every other time you say "He has no plan to _____"
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:47 PM
Dec 2015

showing you that plan is pretty pointless. You'll ghost this thread, and you'll be right back to "He has no plan to _____" in the next thread.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
57. His campaign made the request...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:31 PM
Dec 2015

...because the black pastors hosting the event asked them to, according to Sanders' press secretary.

elleng

(130,864 posts)
15. His Press Secretary.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:43 PM
Dec 2015

It was a request of the reporters following him around Baltimore, not a 'refusal' to talk about ISIS.

'After a closed-door meeting with a coalition of local pastors, Sanders was set to hold a press conference with the ministers. Shortly before the start of the presser, Symone Sanders urged news outlets gathered to keep their questions focused. "But again, questions about the meeting, questions about Baltimore, why he came," Sanders said, as live mics rolled. "If you want to ask about Chicago, we have a statement on Chicago that we put out a couple days ago. So you can definitely ask about Chicago. Don't ask about ISIS today. I mean, it's not on topic. If it comes up, and he wants to talk about it, the senator will let you know. But I'd appreciate it if y'all would stay on topic today."'
http://www.npr.org/2015/12/08/458926818/sanders-campaign-to-reporters-dont-ask-about-isis?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
23. Ellen, don't go down the dark road of mischaracterization.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:46 PM
Dec 2015

You're better than that. Bernie was in Baltimore today to talk about the needs of the AA community. He's talked about ISIS before and will talk about it again, but today he wanted to highlight racial justice.

elleng

(130,864 posts)
28. What did I say to suggest I was mischaracterizing?
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

I quoted his press secretary.

And I didn't mention my thought that he's in Baltimore to stick it to Martin O'Malley.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
32. Creating a thread saying that Bernie doesn't want to talk about ISIS
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

When he's done so many times before and will continue to do so? Clearly, the only reason he didn't want to today was because he wanted to highlight AA issues. I know that *you* know that. As for whether Bernie was in Baltimore to stick it to Martin, who can really say? But Baltimore is in many ways the poster child of AA racial injustice so you could see why Bernie would want to visit regardless of Martin's candidacy.

elleng

(130,864 posts)
50. I deleted the newsworthy thread I created as soon as I learned there was another.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 04:21 PM
Dec 2015

Your charge that I'm somehow on the 'dark' side won't hold, Chestnut.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. Now I get it. Sanders campaign itself made the request.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:45 PM
Dec 2015

Thanks for clearing it up that this is actually his campaigns wishes. I was wondering what was going on.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
31. Yes, he dared to want to discuss social justice after several meetings about social justice.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

Which, of course, indicates he doesn't care about social justice.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
36. Which candidate is only talking ISIL?
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:02 PM
Dec 2015

You must be watching a wildly different campaign than I am.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
37. I'm referring to the questions the media asks.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015

Since the questions the media asks is the subject at hand.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
7. Well said by Sanders.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:39 PM
Dec 2015

Fucking hell. He was there in Baltimore about jobs in distressed AA communities. He wasn't there to pontificate on ISIL and the damned war on terrah!

Sanders is the candidate and president we all really need.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
17. Right, but a president needs to be able to multi task.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:44 PM
Dec 2015

World events don't happen according to their personal schedule.

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
26. He was multitasking
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:48 PM
Dec 2015

The media has done thing but talk about ISIS for the last month while Bernie has been incorporating them *plus* income inequality, racial justice, and healthcare among other things. He wanted to dedicate a day to the needs of the AA community. There has been, and will be, plenty of time to discuss ISIS.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
30. It's funny
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:55 PM
Dec 2015

Clinton's followers desperately want Sanders to talk about absolutely anything other than whatever he's talking about at a given moment. He's in Baltimore, talking with pastors, getting a hand on the issues of the African American community there, and you guys demand he talk about Daesh instead.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
59. It's very important to Hillary's supporters...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:37 PM
Dec 2015

...to derail any possibility of Bernie making inroads with AA voters. Hence the wave of OPs today trying to spin this as "He won't talk about ISIS" and "He threw a tantrum" &c &c.

Anyone watching the video knows there was no tantrum, and anyone paying attention to the campaign so far knows he has talked about ISIS and will continue to do so.

But hey: if the video gets out more because of it, that's a good thing IMO.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
38. Oh bullshit Janey.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:11 PM
Dec 2015

He has been asked about ISIL, and he has responded numerous times on ISIL.

This was an event focused on poverty, violence, and restoration of AA communities in Baltimore. There was no need to talk about fucking ISIL.

All you damned white Clinton supporters saying he should reach out more to AA communities, that he has a problem with AA voters, and he was doing one of numerous powerful outreaches, and what are y'all doing?

Given him shit because he wouldn't 'multi-task' and focus on ISIL.

Yeah, there is no racism lingering there.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
54. But if Hillary avoids important questions?
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 05:27 PM
Dec 2015
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ca_1430266067


Not so much a problem right?

Hillary has a long history of avoiding questions she doesn't want to answer at the time.



ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
58. A President needs to be able to maintain focus...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:34 PM
Dec 2015

...and not get derailed when dealing with an important issue.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
14. Those attacks didn't pass the horseshit sniff test.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:42 PM
Dec 2015

Q: does it smell like ass?
A: yes.

Probably it is horseshit.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
40. Bernie's response to the question on why he didn't mention ISIS:
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:24 PM
Dec 2015
Of course I'll talk about ISIS. But today what we're talking about is a community in which half of the people don't have jobs. We're talking about a community in which there are hundreds of buildings that are uninhabitable. We're talking about a community where kids are unable to go to schools that are decent...

Obviously ISIS and terrorism are a huge national issue that we've got to address. But so is poverty, so is unemployment, so is education, so is health care, so is the need to protect working families. And I will continue to talk about those issues.
— Sen. Bernie Sanders in Baltimore 12/8/15

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017313434
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
45. It's time to put the focus on rebuilding our broken communities
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:50 PM
Dec 2015


Those were ministers? They obviously understand these issues need more attention.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
53. I agree with Bernie!
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 05:19 PM
Dec 2015

We have so many homeless people. ISIS is a tremendous problem. But poverty in America, the many, many people who are left out of our prosperity, is our biggest national security threat.

ISIS can be taken care of and should already have been taken care of or maybe even should never have existed, but we need to focus also on the problems in our own country.

And while we are at it, let's start a national, public conversation among religions and religious leaders. Let's include all religions and those who are not religious, and let's make it public.

Truly religious people share many of the same values with people of other religions and just don't know it. Much of what separates religions is custom and language. People who don't make an effort to learn to know people of other religions think, quite naturally, that they are right and everyone else is wrong. They just don't think about the basic tenets that all hold in common.

Thou shalt not kill is pretty basic to any religion that is going to survive.

When I hear about the beheadings and apparent rigidity upon pain of death of ISIS' religious doctrine, I am reminded of the French Revolution which eventually lead to the beheading of many of the very men and women who had initiated the French Revolution.

The ISIS leadership is setting a precedent of killing, establishing a value of killing that may and probably will lead to their own deaths. Just wait. A predictable end awaits these people. Rigid thought-control and killing beget even more rigid thought-control, arguments about who is right and who is wrong and eventually killing of each other.

That is why more tolerant religions tend to survive. That is why the God said to Moses, "Thou shalt not kill." If you read the Ten Commandments, you see instructions that lead to peace within a community and a healthy society. The Jewish religion has been observed for many, many centuries and partly precisely because its rules are rules of peace and harmony that lead to prosperity. Of course, the Old Testament advises stoning, etc., but that conduct did not work for the Jewish people. They don't do it anymore.

And of course Jesus pretty much said that the first rule is to love thy neighbor, do unto others as you would have them do unto you and forget the other rules if they contradict Jesus' basic rule. That works. Society works best when people live in harmony. Killing leads to more killing, and pretty soon, the society is not only unlivable but its leaders are dead. That's just the way things work. I'm not advocating for a specific belief or against other beliefs. I'm just explaining that a good religion prioritizes rules that make for a peaceful society.

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