2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumVideo: Sanders responds to lame claim that he won't talk about ISIS
Link to time about 10:57 in video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=omtE9XdmEno&t=10m57s
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)He just solidified my vote.
marym625
(17,997 posts)Truly unreal. This meeting wasn't about Sanders, for Christ's sake
pacalo
(24,721 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)It's attempt to create controversy. That's all it is.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Being propagated here by the Clinton campaign.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Love it. I truly had no clue her campaign had a presence here.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)huh?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)What he said about the neighborhoods was good. I understand what he was doing.
Possibly a job as HHS Secretary would be good.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's obvious he doesn't want to, doesn't mean he isn't. I will always remember the last debate as Sanders simply refers to them as "Muslim countries" as he didn't want to reference the wrong place.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)showing you that plan is pretty pointless. You'll ghost this thread, and you'll be right back to "He has no plan to _____" in the next thread.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)LOL
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It's clear now.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...because the black pastors hosting the event asked them to, according to Sanders' press secretary.
elleng
(130,864 posts)It was a request of the reporters following him around Baltimore, not a 'refusal' to talk about ISIS.
'After a closed-door meeting with a coalition of local pastors, Sanders was set to hold a press conference with the ministers. Shortly before the start of the presser, Symone Sanders urged news outlets gathered to keep their questions focused. "But again, questions about the meeting, questions about Baltimore, why he came," Sanders said, as live mics rolled. "If you want to ask about Chicago, we have a statement on Chicago that we put out a couple days ago. So you can definitely ask about Chicago. Don't ask about ISIS today. I mean, it's not on topic. If it comes up, and he wants to talk about it, the senator will let you know. But I'd appreciate it if y'all would stay on topic today."'
http://www.npr.org/2015/12/08/458926818/sanders-campaign-to-reporters-dont-ask-about-isis?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)You're better than that. Bernie was in Baltimore today to talk about the needs of the AA community. He's talked about ISIS before and will talk about it again, but today he wanted to highlight racial justice.
elleng
(130,864 posts)I quoted his press secretary.
And I didn't mention my thought that he's in Baltimore to stick it to Martin O'Malley.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)When he's done so many times before and will continue to do so? Clearly, the only reason he didn't want to today was because he wanted to highlight AA issues. I know that *you* know that. As for whether Bernie was in Baltimore to stick it to Martin, who can really say? But Baltimore is in many ways the poster child of AA racial injustice so you could see why Bernie would want to visit regardless of Martin's candidacy.
elleng
(130,864 posts)Your charge that I'm somehow on the 'dark' side won't hold, Chestnut.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Cali_Democrat: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141283735
Historic NY: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251883991
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thanks for clearing it up that this is actually his campaigns wishes. I was wondering what was going on.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Which, of course, indicates he doesn't care about social justice.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You must be watching a wildly different campaign than I am.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Since the questions the media asks is the subject at hand.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)Fucking hell. He was there in Baltimore about jobs in distressed AA communities. He wasn't there to pontificate on ISIL and the damned war on terrah!
Sanders is the candidate and president we all really need.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)World events don't happen according to their personal schedule.
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)The media has done thing but talk about ISIS for the last month while Bernie has been incorporating them *plus* income inequality, racial justice, and healthcare among other things. He wanted to dedicate a day to the needs of the AA community. There has been, and will be, plenty of time to discuss ISIS.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Clinton's followers desperately want Sanders to talk about absolutely anything other than whatever he's talking about at a given moment. He's in Baltimore, talking with pastors, getting a hand on the issues of the African American community there, and you guys demand he talk about Daesh instead.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...to derail any possibility of Bernie making inroads with AA voters. Hence the wave of OPs today trying to spin this as "He won't talk about ISIS" and "He threw a tantrum" &c &c.
Anyone watching the video knows there was no tantrum, and anyone paying attention to the campaign so far knows he has talked about ISIS and will continue to do so.
But hey: if the video gets out more because of it, that's a good thing IMO.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)He has been asked about ISIL, and he has responded numerous times on ISIL.
This was an event focused on poverty, violence, and restoration of AA communities in Baltimore. There was no need to talk about fucking ISIL.
All you damned white Clinton supporters saying he should reach out more to AA communities, that he has a problem with AA voters, and he was doing one of numerous powerful outreaches, and what are y'all doing?
Given him shit because he wouldn't 'multi-task' and focus on ISIL.
Yeah, there is no racism lingering there.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Not so much a problem right?
Hillary has a long history of avoiding questions she doesn't want to answer at the time.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...good link to keep handy.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...and not get derailed when dealing with an important issue.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Q: does it smell like ass?
A: yes.
Probably it is horseshit.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)It's ongoing. It's their main theme of the day apparently, with a strong assist from the media too.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Obviously ISIS and terrorism are a huge national issue that we've got to address. But so is poverty, so is unemployment, so is education, so is health care, so is the need to protect working families. And I will continue to talk about those issues.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017313434
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Those were ministers? They obviously understand these issues need more attention.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We have so many homeless people. ISIS is a tremendous problem. But poverty in America, the many, many people who are left out of our prosperity, is our biggest national security threat.
ISIS can be taken care of and should already have been taken care of or maybe even should never have existed, but we need to focus also on the problems in our own country.
And while we are at it, let's start a national, public conversation among religions and religious leaders. Let's include all religions and those who are not religious, and let's make it public.
Truly religious people share many of the same values with people of other religions and just don't know it. Much of what separates religions is custom and language. People who don't make an effort to learn to know people of other religions think, quite naturally, that they are right and everyone else is wrong. They just don't think about the basic tenets that all hold in common.
Thou shalt not kill is pretty basic to any religion that is going to survive.
When I hear about the beheadings and apparent rigidity upon pain of death of ISIS' religious doctrine, I am reminded of the French Revolution which eventually lead to the beheading of many of the very men and women who had initiated the French Revolution.
The ISIS leadership is setting a precedent of killing, establishing a value of killing that may and probably will lead to their own deaths. Just wait. A predictable end awaits these people. Rigid thought-control and killing beget even more rigid thought-control, arguments about who is right and who is wrong and eventually killing of each other.
That is why more tolerant religions tend to survive. That is why the God said to Moses, "Thou shalt not kill." If you read the Ten Commandments, you see instructions that lead to peace within a community and a healthy society. The Jewish religion has been observed for many, many centuries and partly precisely because its rules are rules of peace and harmony that lead to prosperity. Of course, the Old Testament advises stoning, etc., but that conduct did not work for the Jewish people. They don't do it anymore.
And of course Jesus pretty much said that the first rule is to love thy neighbor, do unto others as you would have them do unto you and forget the other rules if they contradict Jesus' basic rule. That works. Society works best when people live in harmony. Killing leads to more killing, and pretty soon, the society is not only unlivable but its leaders are dead. That's just the way things work. I'm not advocating for a specific belief or against other beliefs. I'm just explaining that a good religion prioritizes rules that make for a peaceful society.