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Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:24 PM

 

Hillary Clinton just disqualified herself as Commander in Chief

Yesterday Hillary accidentally threatened to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran.

In a strange incident, Supreme Court Justice Breyer jumped in from the audience to correct her.

How rare is it that a politician says something so bizarre, so inappropriate, that a Supreme Court Justice will actually interrupt her speech to rescue her from her own words? Extremely rare. Never heard of it before.

Could that be why today we've been sitting through a whole day of hearing about how Bernie Sanders is unhinged and not qualified? Are Clintonistas trying to distract from this huge gaffe?

What would be the consequences if Bernie Sanders threatened to use the "nuclear option" against any country? It would probably end his campaign. And it should be the end of Hillary's campaign too.


Mrs. Clinton used the forum to continue staking out a harder line on Iran than President Obama has in public. She repeatedly threatened to take what she called “harsh” steps at the first sign that Iran seeks to violate commitments it made in the July nuclear agreement, which sharply limits its ability to possess or produce nuclear fuel for the next 15 years.

She said there should be “no doubt in Tehran” that if the United States saw “any violations in the deal” or an effort to procure or develop nuclear weapons technology, “we will stop them,” including, she added, “taking military action.”

At one point, responding to a question, she referred to using the “nuclear option” against Iran — usually interpreted as using a nuclear weapon — before her attention was caught by a prominent member of the audience, Justice Stephen G. Breyer of the Supreme Court.

“Oh, the military option, thank you, Justice Breyer. He’s a careful listener,” Mrs. Clinton said, reiterating that she meant a military option to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. It was a rare moment: a sitting member of the court rescuing a political candidate from a mistaken comment.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.html

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:27 PM

1. Good she has that sort of relationship with a SC Justice.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:35 PM

3. Too bad it comes across as totally unhinged though huh?

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:56 PM

15. Yep, superior correcting an underling

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:20 AM

85. How is she his underling?

 

She doesn't work for him and lawyers are not beholden to judges except when before them in court.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #85)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 08:45 AM

88. LOL, you don't know much about the federal bench, do ya? n/t

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #88)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:53 AM

95. Not sure why you're laughing hysterically

 

but half my family are lawyers so yes, I do know quite a bit about the federal bench so I'm asking again. How is she his underling? Unless your contention is that we all work for the federal bench. Try answering the question this time instead of laughing maniacally.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #95)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:56 AM

98. Ask one of them about how superior federal judges are since you have the sources.

Hint: They are appointed for life.

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Response to Hepburn (Reply #98)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:04 AM

100. What are you babbling about?

 

What does their having a lifetime appointment have to do with your claim that Hillary (someone who isn't even practicing law) is an underling to a judge? Go ahead, spell it out.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #95)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:27 AM

104. Legal knowledge is not genetic.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:56 PM

16. freudian slip where you accidentally say what you mean when

you say something else. we know what she would do now and she told us

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:23 PM

52. Yep, I think she would do it.

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Response to roguevalley (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:02 AM

62. You and I may make that sort of mistake, but a commander-in-chief cannot.

The question is not what Hillary's fans understood that she meant but what the international community, especially Iran would think she meant.

And she probably did say what she meant.

If we have to choose between Trump and Hillary??????

Horrors!

Bernie is so normal. So sane. We need him as commander-in-chief.

Hillary has no thought for what will happen once we "win" the war. No more than George W. Bush did. Just a thought for, hey, let's go and achieve this short-term goal and who cares what happens then.

She just does not have the long-term vision we need in our next president.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #62)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:45 AM

108. Would we? "Nuclear option" is shorthand for doing away with 60-vote Senate requirement for

cloture. I don't know of a scenario in which I would have confused that with going to real life war.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:29 PM

2. No, this does not disqualify Hillary to ne commander-in-chief, try again.

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:28 PM

54. Their replies and posts are

 

OOT

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #42)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:36 AM

69. Can you give the reason why Hillary is repeating Bush's lie

about Iran threatening to "wipe Israel off the map"?

She repeated his claim in September, but scholars have corrected Bush saying its a deliberate mis-translation.

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Response to cprise (Reply #69)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:19 AM

84. Because it was no lie

 

To call Israel a cancer that will not survive may sound like sunshine and candy to you but how exactly does cancer get gone?

It sure didn't take Iran long to break the deal the west was so eager to get signed:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-usa-idUSKBN0TR2G920151208

I supported the Iran deal - but only to prove what Iran was all about. I knew they would test the west over and over again making them look like patsies but obviously the proof was needed to show you and everyone else that blames Israel for all the problems in the middle east that Iran is NOT the good actor so many here believe. The only surprise was that it didn't happen faster. Now go ahead and call me a warmonger and ignore that Iran has deliberately broken the deal - I could use the huge yawn it would bring. And don't forget the alert....I would be so disappointed otherwise.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #84)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 08:57 AM

92. Comments directed at the "Zionist regime" actually follow the West

and its rhetoric of 'regime change'. So, yes, Bush and Hillary are lying and making a bad situation worse. But thanks for trying to deflect instead of giving an honest answer.

It should also be noted that Israel and the US break UN resolutions almost constantly, with impunity.

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Response to cprise (Reply #92)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:02 AM

99. The UN is fucking useless

 

and has become nothing but a joke. Massacres in Syria for over 3 years now and nothing but Israel looks freeking sideways at the terrorist hamas and 15 resolutions get passed. No wonder the US population doesn't give a shit about them anymore. Blaming the west for all the problems in the middle east is such a fucking joke, I can't believe you're not embarrassed by using it.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #99)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:12 AM

102. In many cases you are right, but I still think it is better than nothing. At least it presents a

possible avenue for diplomacy

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Response to still_one (Reply #102)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:17 AM

103. Sorry, but I disagree

 

They've become nothing but a mouthpiece for every repulsive tin pot dictator in the world. But because no entity is all bad, I will give the Secretary General credit for recently making an emergency trip to Israel to stop 11 Muslim countries from voting to make the Western Wall (holiest site to Jews) part of the Al Asqa compound which would have made quite the (deserved) explosion. It would have been the end of the UN credibility if they hadn't gotten that language changed so I'll give him credit for that.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #103)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:32 AM

105. Ok, I understand. I just think it is better than nothing

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #99)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:22 PM

115. And who has the US backed in the ME *except* extremists?

The more extreme they are, the more motivated and willing our heavies perceive them to be.

Shall we compare the number of people ISIS has beheaded to the number Saudi Arabia beheads each year? How about the systemic collateral damage from drone attacks that amounts to collective punishment?

I think what is a joke is having little-to-no regard for the effect that the world's "sole hyperpower" (to use our government's own term) interfering with and profiting from regional divisions on the other side of the planet... like various religious sects are machines that serve our "interests abroad", provided they are supplied the right weapons at the right times.

Anyone who pays close attention to the villian-of-the-month nature of our news and foreign policy should realize just how crazy and world-hating the establishment mindset has become.


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Response to cprise (Reply #115)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:56 PM

119. Oh do feel free to tell

 

us where the moderates and liberals are in the middle east. This should be good for a laugh. The US has interests, just like every other country in the world.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #119)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:06 PM

120. Oh, now "everyone does it"

Lost the argument, so now lets just paint everyone with the brush of false-equivalency.

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Response to cprise (Reply #120)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:11 PM

121. Oh - I see you can't answer

 

my question about where all these supposed moderates and liberals are in the middle east and how the US (and Israel, of course) is to blame for all the mayhem. You don't have to convince me that other than Jordan (who also have their own problems) there isn't a country in the middle east that isn't run by lunatics, terrorists or their sympathizers. You made my argument for me. Thanks.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #121)

Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:33 PM

123. "Look at the savages"

Being realistic is to realize that at least half the Middle East has been some kind of US military project for decades. Saddam Hussein attacked Iran with US backing, starting a war that killed a million people. (That's the last time we had any use for a secular government there.) And you, yourself, defend that based on "interests". That is called imperialism.

The groups we're fighting now were once those we supported to rid the ME of secularism and any 'non-aligned' tendencies. The idea of oil producers there being anything *not* like Saudi became too much to bear among the powerful here.

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Response to cprise (Reply #123)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 05:04 AM

124. Meanwhile

 

The biggest bank account for isis and other terrorists is Saudi Arabia - where the US has never had control. You can pretend all you like that terrorism is merely an answer to imperialism - that country alone makes that argument a joke. The Sunni/Shia divide is a much more relevant battle when Muslims are killling Muslims - and make no mistake, these terrorist groups are killing other Muslims far, far more than they're killing anyone else.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #124)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:39 PM

125. Um, Saudi is our "client state"

We keep the House of Saud armed to the teeth and help it put down uprisings, and in return they provide cheap oil *and* funnel money and resources to useful extremist groups. And, of course, a desired outcome of wielding this power-from-afar is to sow mistrust and division among neighbors; Sunni theocrats have been the most useful tool to that end because they have the most aggressive ideology.

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Response to cprise (Reply #125)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:51 PM

127. I can't have a conversation with someone

 

who thinks anyone we have arms deals with is a "client state" - that would apply to the entirety of Europe. As if Saudi Arabia needs our money. No - the Saudis do what the Saudis do because they're protecting their own interests - not ours. The battle is between Sunni and Shia and everything else is window dressing.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #127)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:42 PM

134. We're not talking about occassional sale of arms.

The relationship goes far beyond "arms deals"; Trivializing it doesn't fool anyone.

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Response to cprise (Reply #134)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:17 PM

135. Pretending the Saudis

 

kow tow to the US isn't fooling anyone.

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #42)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 08:54 AM

91. Bernie fans

 

Turned many democrats against him.

Me for one when they pulled out old right wing conspiracy BS about her and the Clintons in general using scurrilous lies from right wing sources like the Blaze

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #91)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:48 AM

109. You were never for him, so I don't see the point of your post, other than more

gratuitous bashing of supporters of Sanders.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:38 PM

4. Hillary Commander in Chief?

I certainly would not want her as Commander in Chief.

First, her support for Iraq.

Then Libya.

Now this.

Three strikes --> "You Out."

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:39 PM

5. I have no problem writing this off as a brain fart that happens to everyone.

 

"Nuclear Option" is a phrase in the American political lexicon that has nothing to do with nukes, and the conversation was about nukes and options. It's a mistake I could easily have made.

I would need evidence that she plans "to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran" before I'm bothered by this, and I am no fan.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:48 PM

11. I agree - it's a gaffe.

 

A bad one, but I don't think she was really threatening to use nuclear weapons.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:54 PM

14. Hey if Bernie Sanders had said this,

 

team Hillary would make a big deal about it.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:01 PM

21. Yep

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:07 PM

26. Agreed.

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:26 PM

27. True, but that doesn't make using it here any better.

I'm trying to disregard the more hyperbolic posts on both sides.

Both candidates are miles above what passes for sentience on the Republican side.

I support Bernie, but I'll drag myself over cut glass to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination, just to keep another Rethuglican from getting into the White House.

Off topic: Bernie was great just now on Rachel Maddow.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:32 PM

29. Ya know honestly, it's DU, when you get really into it, the Bernie vs. Hillary thing...

 

Every time I see a ridiculous post like that it's like bait I can't resist. It makes me want to mirror it with a similar post from the other side. It's so hard to resist that. I even put like 20 people on ignore and it helped. It can't be only one side calls the other side disqualified to be commander in chief. And they were doing stuff like that all day long.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #14)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:03 PM

38. It's no big deal, and both "teams" have their nuts (n/t)

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Response to thesquanderer (Reply #38)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:06 PM

40. This is pretty much ground zero for both teams having their nuts

 

We're in the thick of it. It doesn't get any better than this. It's only going to get worse. January will be something.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:08 AM

101. Oh, hell yes....

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:02 PM

23. A brain fart that she's going to unleash a nuclear war?

 

yeah, no problem.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:40 PM

6. I would be worried if her finger is on the button

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:41 PM

7. +1

 

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:30 PM

56. I won't.

 

No logical reason for me to be. She's going to make a great CIC, as well as POTUS.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:14 AM

66. The risk of triangulating Republican foreign policy is

...you might end up duplicating it. Which Hillary has.

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:55 AM

83. Exactly

She has shown herself to be quite untrustworthy on foreign policy between voting for the Iraq war, Kyl-Lieberman, supporting the Syrian jihadists, supporting the Honduras coup, and now this.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:44 PM

8. She will never be president.

She and Trump will be going down.

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Response to azmom (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:47 PM

10. Exactly.

Thank the Goddesses!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #43)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:30 PM

55. You do realize that Hillary had her head in the sand...

In the run up to 2008, right? She never anticipated that Barack Obama, a junior Senator with barely any experience would win.

DU was filled with posters, just like yourself, who declared that Obama was unelectable and that Clinton was winning every poll--and why do we even bother supporting someone who is going to lose?

The entire Clinton meme was that she was "inevitable." It was so prolific, it became a joke.

Hillary Clinton's camp holds the record for delusion. She made Romney look rooted in reality.

So before you accuse Sanders supporters of having their heads in the sand, you may want to give yourself a reality check, there. Your camp doesn't exactly have a great track record in that area, certainly not enough to call out an entire campaign and his supporters.



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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #55)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:19 AM

87. ^^^^^^ this, + 1000. Eom

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Response to azmom (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:31 PM

57. lol

 

Madam President, coming to your country in 2016.

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Response to azmom (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:51 AM

74. YES!!!

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:47 PM

9. "Yesterday Hillary accidentally threatened to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran.

Total fiction. She used a term with more than one meaning.

I think the polls are getting to you.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:49 PM

12. Sure. That's why a Supreme Court Justice had to jump in and correct her.

 

At that level, people should be more careful with their words. As a diplomat should know that.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #12)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:57 PM

17. Can you come up with something real ever ?

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Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:52 AM

75. Common denominator is her communication faux pas. nt

 

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:58 PM

18. I saw your research today. I don't think you understand statistics.

Don't set your self up for a big fall.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:33 PM

59. The big fall like...

...Hillary had when she came in third in the 2008 Iowa caucuses?

You guys are full of more hubris than you were in 2008--when you routinely insulted Obama supporters, told us he would never win. Oh boy, did you have the polls to prove it. Hundreds of polls that had Obama losing every national poll and every state poll--even after he won Iowa and NH.

You're doing the same thing again.

And you're warning us about a big fall?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 09:58 PM

19. You might be surprised to know I don't even look at polls

 

I don't care about polls at all.

edit: Well, not that much. A little bit. I know Hillary is winning big time everywhere except Vermont or something.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:01 PM

22. Hillary will be the nominee. I hope we are on the same side next summer.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:54 AM

76. Probably not.

 

I am thinking the Sanders win will be very hard.


Not for me, though! I will be very pleased.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:15 AM

67. I guess polls would seem important if your candidate gives millions to polling firms.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #67)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:27 AM

70. You aren't serious

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #70)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:33 AM

71. Last figure I saw was $300,000 a MONTH....

 

Remember campaign 08? Debt in the millions to polling firms.

Buying a frigin clue is expensive.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #71)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:38 AM

72. you aren't serious

I haven't seen one OP today that was in opposition to Hillary that was truthful and honest.

Just Innuendo

And made up shit like yours

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #72)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:37 AM

107. This is why you guys aren't winning anyone over to your side....

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:00 PM

20. BFD. nothing to see here

Move along.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:04 PM

24. So she's going to tell Jamie Dimon to "cut it out", and going to nuke Iran

 

The bipolar president. Can't wait.

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:06 PM

39. The 1%er

might tell Jamie Dimon that...just in fun...she works primarily for Goldman-Sachs...


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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:07 PM

25. Funny how some of the replies in this thread

bring something NYC-SKP (had not) said to mind.

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Response to edgineered (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:32 PM

28. To the (inevitable) jury: There are many many things NYC-SKP did not say.

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #28)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:42 PM

31. The observation is that

those who undoubtedly rallied against NYC-SKP and his manner of posting comments now rally in support as the tactics have become their own.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:39 PM

30. To AIPAC and the Council on Foreign Relations it's not a disqualification, it's a gold star.

She was talking to them and she knew exactly what she was saying.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:43 PM

32. Ooooh... You may just be the thread winner...

 

"Accidentally" threatening to nuke Iran might help her with fundraising too.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:48 PM

33. Then again it could have been an accident.

I went to the drive through today and told them I wanted "the nuclear option". I meant to say "extra cheese".

Stuff like that happens sometimes.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:48 PM

34. Zzzzzzzzz

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:51 PM

35. She was already DQ'd, but yeah.

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:54 PM

36. ...

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:56 PM

37. Looks like maybe that bump she got on her head is worse than she is letting on.

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #47)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:35 PM

60. Just say no to lock step thinking.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:13 PM

41. She disqualified herself as commander in chief when she supported Iraq War

And yesterday's incident is not a gaffe. It's her consistent policy line. We heard from her own mouth that Iranians are her enemy.

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #51)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:56 AM

77. dream on...nt

 

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #46)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:21 PM

48. Donald Trump wants to hire you

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #48)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:56 AM

79. Win!! nt

 

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #46)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:36 PM

61. Wait, you're the one who posted this...

 



Recent events expose Bernie as not ready for primetime
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=885181


One to talk. Jeez.

It's the same thing. Except my post was at least based on actual events instead of made up stuff.

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #49)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:25 PM

53. Hey. I watched this forum all day. It was a stream of posts on how Sanders melted down, flew off the

 

handle, isn't ready for prime time, and then saying some fake incident disqualifies him to be Commander in Chief.

So this is the response.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #53)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:58 AM

80. The great thing about all those OPs Cheese, is the smell

 

of fear coming from their side. Grasping at tiny little straws. Lots of scrambling going on ....makes my day.

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Response to IHateTheGOP (Reply #49)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:26 AM

82. Isn't it funny?

The same talking points on RW sites, but coming from a different perspective, one reads here. The Left think that Hillary is too hawkish, the Right think that she's too weak.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:22 PM

50. It was a common slip of the tongue. She did not mean it.

Trying to turn this into something is pathetic. Sorry, JMHO

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:33 PM

58. It depends what you mean by pathetic.

 


Clinton campaign would use this kind of thing against an opponent. They do it all the time. And they're maybe the best political operation in the world. So there has to be some point to it.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:04 AM

63. Twaddle

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:05 AM

64. That's so strange, last election cycle it was Romney stumping around threatening to beat the shit

out of Iran.

Now it's Hillary?

Am I taking crazy pills? Since when does our supposed front-runner crib from the previous failed Republican front-runner? Since when does a primary candidate undermine the foreign policy of the sitting Commander In Chief from the SAME PARTY? This shit is not far off from grand supreme general mcgrumpypants from Arizona, and the Wasilla meth cowgirl.

You could mix up some phrases from McCain and Hillary and play a game of 'Who Said It', and EVERYONE WOULD FUCKING LOSE.

What the hell?

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:07 AM

65. Then Bernie disqualified himself with his own "slip of the tongue"

when he said that the Iraq war was the worst policy blunder of the US -- discounting the Bay of Pigs crisis, that led to the possibility of a nuclear confrontation between the US and Russia, or the Vietnam War, which led to 60,000 pointless US deaths.

His spokesman said it was "a slip of the tongue" and that he MEANT to say "one of the worst."

So if a slip of the tongue disqualifies a candidate, then he's disqualified, too.

Which leaves Martin, I guess, unless he also has ever had a slip of the tongue.

Which I kind of bet he has.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/14/bernie-sanders-said-iraq-was-the-worst-foreign-policy-blunder-in-u-s-history-really/

Another example that would spring to mind for many is Bay of Pigs, the CIA-sponsored military invasion of Cuba in 1961. That invasion is widely remembered as an absolute disaster, with an invasion force of around 1,400 militiamen completely outnumbered by around 200,000 to 300,000 forces loyal to Fidel Castro's left-wing government. As historian Theodore Draper famously put it, it was "one of those rare events in history — a perfect failure." It helped contribute to a Cold War antagonism that could potentially have descended into nuclear war.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #65)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 08:50 AM

89. Even without her "slip" she was being a right wing hawk

 

She is joining the right wing chorus that seem to be deliberately stirring the shit as a pretext for igniting a conflict with Iran, instead of using the treaty a possible step towards establishing some kind of more positive -- or at least bneitral -- relationship with the most powerful nation in the Middle East.

THAT should disqualify her, or at least shed doubt on her foreign policy "experience."

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Response to Armstead (Reply #89)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:07 AM

94. No, she wasn't. She just wasn't being a pacifist. She's nothing like the RW hawks.

Have you listened to any of them? To any of the GOP candidates?

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #94)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:54 AM

96. Yup. They've all disparaged Obama's agreement ith Iran and talk about..

 

being very aggressive and threatening military action against Iran. And, just like Clinton, they are deliberately putting the agreement in a negative, rather than a positive, frame.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #96)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:56 AM

97. She is specifically ruling out ground troops. They're calling for them. n/t

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:21 AM

68. She is a hawk, and she has very likely learned little from her Iraq vote.

Very concerning, indeed.

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Response to LS_Editor (Reply #68)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:49 AM

73. Mrs. Clinton apologised for her vote to invade Iraq!

Does that not even count? I know, the atrocities were mind boggling and somehow we cannot seem to forgive her!

Look who you have on the GOP side, every frigging time, Americans are being asked to vote for the lesser of two evils and this time, the evil is Donald Trump. Don't stay home and not vote, Mrs. Clinton is way better than any GOP nominee. Kinda sad to see American politics come to such a low level. The world respected the US and now, I have no idea. I just want you all to elect a leader who can work with our Leader, Mr. Justin Trudeau, we can work together as a committed continent to fight ISIS but our PM is tired of the bull shit in the middle east. Our former PM, Chretien was smart enough to say no to the invasion of Iraq.

We can work this thing through but Trump is not the one to lead America, he is a frigging clown but his base supports him, which shows how divided America is!

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Response to akbacchus_BC (Reply #73)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:46 PM

116. It took her over a decade and two presidential campaigns

...to come around! That's not an apology, that's reluctant calculation.

Starting in 1998, when Bill Clinton bombed Iraq in Operation Desert Fox, the Clintons have accepted or advanced the lie about WMD in Iraq. Hillary herself had access to the classified version of the NIE document, which another Senator said painted a completely different picture than the public version.

Now Hillary is pushing the Bush lie that Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map" (a horrendous mistranslation that was corrected years ago).

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:56 AM

78. *yawn*

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:23 AM

81. Yeah, whatever.........

I have seen here more than one post stating that X (fill in the hot issue of the day) "disqualifies Hillary to be CIC".

You are all preaching to your own choir and not convincing anyone else.


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Response to Beacool (Reply #81)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:02 AM

86. If anything, those of us who

are Hillary supporters feel more strongly about our candidate than ever.

Posts such as this OP show that some Bernie supporters have not yet gotten the message. It is Democrats who participate in Dem caucuses and primaries. Bernie supporters can talk all they want about winning over Independents and the few Republicans who are not insane in the GE, but they have to get to the GE first. Constantly harping against Dems generally, Dem supporters of Hillary, DWS, or the so-called Dem "establishment" just doesn't win hearts or minds - even when there may be more than a grain of truth to what they say.

For Bernie to win among Dems generally - and Dems are his most supportive group - he will have to convince Clinton supporters to desert their candidate en masse during the Dem primary season.

I just don't see that happening, particularly when OPs like this and gratuitously nasty responses from some Bernie supporters to it continue to be the ordre du jour.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 08:52 AM

90. I'm sure this is it! The end of Hillary!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:04 AM

93. "Ooops sorry...

... did I start a nuclear holocaust? My bad."

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:34 AM

106. What again? This is the tenth time this month and we are only a week in!

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:49 AM

110. That is one scary story. Calling the First Amendment "the same old" arguments for just one thing.

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Response to merrily (Reply #110)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:07 AM

111. Yeah the civil liberties angle could be a whole other post

 

If somebody had time.

I think she's pandering to the big donors like Saban. Even though I've been told before that she isn't influenced by the money that she takes, it seems ridiculous to me. I mean the thing is called the Saban forum for a reason. Because he is a rich powerful guy.

Hillary billionaire donor urges more scrutiny of Muslims and some suspension of civil liberties

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #111)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:12 AM

112. If big donors wanted to make charitable donations, they could choose better recipients than pols.

Business has said that the biggest bang for the buck they get from any dollar is the money they donate to politicians. I don't think, by "bang for the buck" they meant just a warm, fuzzy feeling a donor gets when giving money to a charity and expecting nothing in return.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:14 AM

113. It appears the Hillary "shills"

here direct from the campaign script writer room,have an answer for everything even when Hillary is dead wrong.
Which she is most of the time.
Yep Bernie's campaign would be over if he made a statement like she did.
I've noticed too that when Hillary talks about major issues she copies what Bernie has already said. Then the corporate media treats her statement as s fresh idea.
Just one question: How can any real Democrat support a Corporstist candidate like Hillary?

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Response to INdemo (Reply #113)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:53 PM

118. Name recognition? eom

 

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:50 PM

117. This is the kind of misspeaking I would ordinarily identify with a GOP candidate.

 

What the hell? 9/11 justifies big Wall Street donations, "Bomb Iran"* until the Supreme Court intervenes...

* see also: John Sidney McCain III

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #117)

Sat Dec 12, 2015, 02:47 AM

136. In 1976 during the debate with Jimmy Carter, President Ford said . . .

. . . that Poland was not behind the Iron Curtain.
Carter's eyes got as big as pancakes as he couldn't believe what he had just heard.

That was when Ford lost any chance of being re-elected.
I think this was the moment when Hillary lost her last chance to get elected President.


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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Wed Dec 9, 2015, 03:04 PM

122. Threatening Nuke War with Iran is NOT a "gaffe".

It is a complete political meltdown that shows very poor judgement and a mean streak of International War Mongering.

...and I thought she was campaigning on her superior experience in Foreign Affairs.
Anyone talking about using NUKES has no business in or near the White House, or anyone in it.


Thank You, Justice Stephen G. Breyer, for immediately putting an end to this kind of nonsense that belongs in Trump's campaign,
NOT the Democratic Party.
We are supposed to be smarter than that.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #122)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:57 PM

128. You know as well as anyone that nuclear

option has a double meaning and that Hillary would never threaten nuclear war in a campaign speach.

But then being her loyal opposition gives you rights no one else has.

This primary season must be setting records for producing innuendo and bull shit.

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #128)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:08 PM

130. You should have read the OP before responding.

Here. I'll help:
Yesterday Hillary accidentally threatened to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran.

In a strange incident, Supreme Court Justice Breyer jumped in from the audience to correct her.

How rare is it that a politician says something so bizarre, so inappropriate, that a Supreme Court Justice will actually interrupt her speech to rescue her from her own words? Extremely rare. Never heard of it before. "


If you are having trouble with this (and clearly you are), take it up with the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.html

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:50 PM

126. it seems like she misspoke

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Response to MariaThinks (Reply #126)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:06 PM

129. The originator of this thread can't reply.

He or she is on a time-out for having 5 hidden posts. Won't be able to reply for some time to come.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:24 PM

131. This is why Bernie Sanders will be the next President of the United States.

Her hardline foreign policy positions.
She never uses the word "peace" in any of her speeches.
She's always talking about "war", "terrorism", "bombs", "enemies", "drones", or something militaristic like that.

That is why I think she is a warmonger.
And that's why I won't vote for her.


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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #131)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:28 PM

132. The OP can't reply to you.

Cheese Sandwich has been put on time-out for having five hidden posts and an exposed Transparency Page.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=321990&sub=trans

You'll have to wait a while for a response.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #132)

Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:38 PM

133. That doesn't change my position on this issue one iota.

Many people read threads here, including Thom Hartmann.
I'm just adding to his thread.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Sat Dec 12, 2015, 09:49 AM

137. Irresponsible And Reckless With Her Words...

This is intolerable...

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