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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:24 PM Dec 2015

Hillary Clinton just disqualified herself as Commander in Chief

Yesterday Hillary accidentally threatened to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran.

In a strange incident, Supreme Court Justice Breyer jumped in from the audience to correct her.

How rare is it that a politician says something so bizarre, so inappropriate, that a Supreme Court Justice will actually interrupt her speech to rescue her from her own words? Extremely rare. Never heard of it before.

Could that be why today we've been sitting through a whole day of hearing about how Bernie Sanders is unhinged and not qualified? Are Clintonistas trying to distract from this huge gaffe?

What would be the consequences if Bernie Sanders threatened to use the "nuclear option" against any country? It would probably end his campaign. And it should be the end of Hillary's campaign too.


Mrs. Clinton used the forum to continue staking out a harder line on Iran than President Obama has in public. She repeatedly threatened to take what she called “harsh” steps at the first sign that Iran seeks to violate commitments it made in the July nuclear agreement, which sharply limits its ability to possess or produce nuclear fuel for the next 15 years.

She said there should be “no doubt in Tehran” that if the United States saw “any violations in the deal” or an effort to procure or develop nuclear weapons technology, “we will stop them,” including, she added, “taking military action.”

At one point, responding to a question, she referred to using the “nuclear option” against Iran — usually interpreted as using a nuclear weapon — before her attention was caught by a prominent member of the audience, Justice Stephen G. Breyer of the Supreme Court.

“Oh, the military option, thank you, Justice Breyer. He’s a careful listener,” Mrs. Clinton said, reiterating that she meant a military option to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. It was a rare moment: a sitting member of the court rescuing a political candidate from a mistaken comment.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.html
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Hillary Clinton just disqualified herself as Commander in Chief (Original Post) Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 OP
Good she has that sort of relationship with a SC Justice. Hoyt Dec 2015 #1
Too bad it comes across as totally unhinged though huh? Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #3
Yep, superior correcting an underling Hepburn Dec 2015 #15
How is she his underling? leftynyc Dec 2015 #85
LOL, you don't know much about the federal bench, do ya? n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #88
Not sure why you're laughing hysterically leftynyc Dec 2015 #95
Ask one of them about how superior federal judges are since you have the sources. Hepburn Dec 2015 #98
What are you babbling about? leftynyc Dec 2015 #100
Legal knowledge is not genetic. merrily Dec 2015 #104
freudian slip where you accidentally say what you mean when roguevalley Dec 2015 #16
Yep, I think she would do it. LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #52
You and I may make that sort of mistake, but a commander-in-chief cannot. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #62
Would we? "Nuclear option" is shorthand for doing away with 60-vote Senate requirement for merrily Dec 2015 #108
No, this does not disqualify Hillary to ne commander-in-chief, try again. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #42
Their replies and posts are KMOD Dec 2015 #54
Can you give the reason why Hillary is repeating Bush's lie cprise Dec 2015 #69
Because it was no lie leftynyc Dec 2015 #84
Comments directed at the "Zionist regime" actually follow the West cprise Dec 2015 #92
The UN is fucking useless leftynyc Dec 2015 #99
In many cases you are right, but I still think it is better than nothing. At least it presents a still_one Dec 2015 #102
Sorry, but I disagree leftynyc Dec 2015 #103
Ok, I understand. I just think it is better than nothing still_one Dec 2015 #105
And who has the US backed in the ME *except* extremists? cprise Dec 2015 #115
Oh do feel free to tell leftynyc Dec 2015 #119
Oh, now "everyone does it" cprise Dec 2015 #120
Oh - I see you can't answer leftynyc Dec 2015 #121
"Look at the savages" cprise Dec 2015 #123
Meanwhile leftynyc Dec 2015 #124
Um, Saudi is our "client state" cprise Dec 2015 #125
I can't have a conversation with someone leftynyc Dec 2015 #127
We're not talking about occassional sale of arms. cprise Dec 2015 #134
Pretending the Saudis leftynyc Dec 2015 #135
Bernie fans workinclasszero Dec 2015 #91
You were never for him, so I don't see the point of your post, other than more merrily Dec 2015 #109
Hillary Commander in Chief? gordyfl Dec 2015 #4
I have no problem writing this off as a brain fart that happens to everyone. arcane1 Dec 2015 #5
I agree - it's a gaffe. Maedhros Dec 2015 #11
Hey if Bernie Sanders had said this, Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #14
Yep peacebird Dec 2015 #21
Agreed. arcane1 Dec 2015 #26
True, but that doesn't make using it here any better. thucythucy Dec 2015 #27
Ya know honestly, it's DU, when you get really into it, the Bernie vs. Hillary thing... Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #29
It's no big deal, and both "teams" have their nuts (n/t) thesquanderer Dec 2015 #38
This is pretty much ground zero for both teams having their nuts Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #40
Oh, hell yes.... daleanime Dec 2015 #101
A brain fart that she's going to unleash a nuclear war? Doctor_J Dec 2015 #23
I would be worried if her finger is on the button Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #6
+1 darkangel218 Dec 2015 #7
I won't. KMOD Dec 2015 #56
The risk of triangulating Republican foreign policy is cprise Dec 2015 #66
Exactly jfern Dec 2015 #83
She will never be president. azmom Dec 2015 #8
Exactly. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #43
You do realize that Hillary had her head in the sand... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #55
^^^^^^ this, + 1000. Eom Karma13612 Dec 2015 #87
lol KMOD Dec 2015 #57
YES!!! artislife Dec 2015 #74
"Yesterday Hillary accidentally threatened to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran. upaloopa Dec 2015 #9
Sure. That's why a Supreme Court Justice had to jump in and correct her. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #12
Can you come up with something real ever ? upaloopa Dec 2015 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #44
Common denominator is her communication faux pas. nt artislife Dec 2015 #75
You'd be surprised to learn that most Bernie supporters Fawke Em Dec 2015 #13
I saw your research today. I don't think you understand statistics. upaloopa Dec 2015 #18
The big fall like... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #59
You might be surprised to know I don't even look at polls Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #19
Hillary will be the nominee. I hope we are on the same side next summer. upaloopa Dec 2015 #22
Probably not. artislife Dec 2015 #76
I guess polls would seem important if your candidate gives millions to polling firms. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #67
You aren't serious upaloopa Dec 2015 #70
Last figure I saw was $300,000 a MONTH.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #71
you aren't serious upaloopa Dec 2015 #72
This is why you guys aren't winning anyone over to your side.... Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #107
BFD. nothing to see here Gman Dec 2015 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #45
So she's going to tell Jamie Dimon to "cut it out", and going to nuke Iran Doctor_J Dec 2015 #24
The 1%er Thespian2 Dec 2015 #39
Funny how some of the replies in this thread edgineered Dec 2015 #25
To the (inevitable) jury: There are many many things NYC-SKP did not say. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #28
The observation is that edgineered Dec 2015 #31
To AIPAC and the Council on Foreign Relations it's not a disqualification, it's a gold star. pa28 Dec 2015 #30
Ooooh... You may just be the thread winner... Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #32
Then again it could have been an accident. pa28 Dec 2015 #33
Zzzzzzzzz workinclasszero Dec 2015 #34
She was already DQ'd, but yeah. Scuba Dec 2015 #35
... AzDar Dec 2015 #36
Looks like maybe that bump she got on her head is worse than she is letting on. jalan48 Dec 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #47
Just say no to lock step thinking. jalan48 Dec 2015 #60
She disqualified herself as commander in chief when she supported Iraq War Nyan Dec 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #51
dream on...nt artislife Dec 2015 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #46
Donald Trump wants to hire you Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #48
Win!! nt artislife Dec 2015 #79
Wait, you're the one who posted this... Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Dec 2015 #49
Hey. I watched this forum all day. It was a stream of posts on how Sanders melted down, flew off the Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #53
The great thing about all those OPs Cheese, is the smell artislife Dec 2015 #80
Isn't it funny? Beacool Dec 2015 #82
It was a common slip of the tongue. She did not mean it. passiveporcupine Dec 2015 #50
It depends what you mean by pathetic. Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #58
Twaddle Hekate Dec 2015 #63
That's so strange, last election cycle it was Romney stumping around threatening to beat the shit AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #64
Then Bernie disqualified himself with his own "slip of the tongue" pnwmom Dec 2015 #65
Even without her "slip" she was being a right wing hawk Armstead Dec 2015 #89
No, she wasn't. She just wasn't being a pacifist. She's nothing like the RW hawks. pnwmom Dec 2015 #94
Yup. They've all disparaged Obama's agreement ith Iran and talk about.. Armstead Dec 2015 #96
She is specifically ruling out ground troops. They're calling for them. n/t pnwmom Dec 2015 #97
She is a hawk, and she has very likely learned little from her Iraq vote. LS_Editor Dec 2015 #68
Mrs. Clinton apologised for her vote to invade Iraq! akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #73
It took her over a decade and two presidential campaigns cprise Dec 2015 #116
*yawn* Lil Missy Dec 2015 #78
Yeah, whatever......... Beacool Dec 2015 #81
If anything, those of us who BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #86
I'm sure this is it! The end of Hillary! sufrommich Dec 2015 #90
"Ooops sorry... 99Forever Dec 2015 #93
What again? This is the tenth time this month and we are only a week in! Walk away Dec 2015 #106
That is one scary story. Calling the First Amendment "the same old" arguments for just one thing. merrily Dec 2015 #110
Yeah the civil liberties angle could be a whole other post Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #111
If big donors wanted to make charitable donations, they could choose better recipients than pols. merrily Dec 2015 #112
It appears the Hillary "shills" INdemo Dec 2015 #113
Name recognition? eom Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Dec 2015 #114
This is the kind of misspeaking I would ordinarily identify with a GOP candidate. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #117
In 1976 during the debate with Jimmy Carter, President Ford said . . . Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #136
Threatening Nuke War with Iran is NOT a "gaffe". bvar22 Dec 2015 #122
You know as well as anyone that nuclear upaloopa Dec 2015 #128
You should have read the OP before responding. bvar22 Dec 2015 #130
it seems like she misspoke MariaThinks Dec 2015 #126
The originator of this thread can't reply. MineralMan Dec 2015 #129
This is why Bernie Sanders will be the next President of the United States. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #131
The OP can't reply to you. MineralMan Dec 2015 #132
That doesn't change my position on this issue one iota. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #133
Irresponsible And Reckless With Her Words... CorporatistNation Dec 2015 #137
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
85. How is she his underling?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:20 AM
Dec 2015

She doesn't work for him and lawyers are not beholden to judges except when before them in court.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
95. Not sure why you're laughing hysterically
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:53 AM
Dec 2015

but half my family are lawyers so yes, I do know quite a bit about the federal bench so I'm asking again. How is she his underling? Unless your contention is that we all work for the federal bench. Try answering the question this time instead of laughing maniacally.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
98. Ask one of them about how superior federal judges are since you have the sources.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:56 AM
Dec 2015

Hint: They are appointed for life.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
100. What are you babbling about?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:04 AM
Dec 2015

What does their having a lifetime appointment have to do with your claim that Hillary (someone who isn't even practicing law) is an underling to a judge? Go ahead, spell it out.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
16. freudian slip where you accidentally say what you mean when
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:56 PM
Dec 2015

you say something else. we know what she would do now and she told us

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
62. You and I may make that sort of mistake, but a commander-in-chief cannot.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:02 AM
Dec 2015

The question is not what Hillary's fans understood that she meant but what the international community, especially Iran would think she meant.

And she probably did say what she meant.

If we have to choose between Trump and Hillary??????

Horrors!

Bernie is so normal. So sane. We need him as commander-in-chief.

Hillary has no thought for what will happen once we "win" the war. No more than George W. Bush did. Just a thought for, hey, let's go and achieve this short-term goal and who cares what happens then.

She just does not have the long-term vision we need in our next president.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
108. Would we? "Nuclear option" is shorthand for doing away with 60-vote Senate requirement for
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:45 AM
Dec 2015

cloture. I don't know of a scenario in which I would have confused that with going to real life war.

Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #2)

cprise

(8,445 posts)
69. Can you give the reason why Hillary is repeating Bush's lie
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:36 AM
Dec 2015

about Iran threatening to "wipe Israel off the map"?

She repeated his claim in September, but scholars have corrected Bush saying its a deliberate mis-translation.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
84. Because it was no lie
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 06:19 AM
Dec 2015

To call Israel a cancer that will not survive may sound like sunshine and candy to you but how exactly does cancer get gone?

It sure didn't take Iran long to break the deal the west was so eager to get signed:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-missiles-usa-idUSKBN0TR2G920151208

I supported the Iran deal - but only to prove what Iran was all about. I knew they would test the west over and over again making them look like patsies but obviously the proof was needed to show you and everyone else that blames Israel for all the problems in the middle east that Iran is NOT the good actor so many here believe. The only surprise was that it didn't happen faster. Now go ahead and call me a warmonger and ignore that Iran has deliberately broken the deal - I could use the huge yawn it would bring. And don't forget the alert....I would be so disappointed otherwise.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
92. Comments directed at the "Zionist regime" actually follow the West
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:57 AM
Dec 2015

and its rhetoric of 'regime change'. So, yes, Bush and Hillary are lying and making a bad situation worse. But thanks for trying to deflect instead of giving an honest answer.

It should also be noted that Israel and the US break UN resolutions almost constantly, with impunity.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
99. The UN is fucking useless
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:02 AM
Dec 2015

and has become nothing but a joke. Massacres in Syria for over 3 years now and nothing but Israel looks freeking sideways at the terrorist hamas and 15 resolutions get passed. No wonder the US population doesn't give a shit about them anymore. Blaming the west for all the problems in the middle east is such a fucking joke, I can't believe you're not embarrassed by using it.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
102. In many cases you are right, but I still think it is better than nothing. At least it presents a
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:12 AM
Dec 2015

possible avenue for diplomacy

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
103. Sorry, but I disagree
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:17 AM
Dec 2015

They've become nothing but a mouthpiece for every repulsive tin pot dictator in the world. But because no entity is all bad, I will give the Secretary General credit for recently making an emergency trip to Israel to stop 11 Muslim countries from voting to make the Western Wall (holiest site to Jews) part of the Al Asqa compound which would have made quite the (deserved) explosion. It would have been the end of the UN credibility if they hadn't gotten that language changed so I'll give him credit for that.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
115. And who has the US backed in the ME *except* extremists?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:22 PM
Dec 2015

The more extreme they are, the more motivated and willing our heavies perceive them to be.

Shall we compare the number of people ISIS has beheaded to the number Saudi Arabia beheads each year? How about the systemic collateral damage from drone attacks that amounts to collective punishment?

I think what is a joke is having little-to-no regard for the effect that the world's "sole hyperpower" (to use our government's own term) interfering with and profiting from regional divisions on the other side of the planet... like various religious sects are machines that serve our "interests abroad", provided they are supplied the right weapons at the right times.

Anyone who pays close attention to the villian-of-the-month nature of our news and foreign policy should realize just how crazy and world-hating the establishment mindset has become.


 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
119. Oh do feel free to tell
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:56 PM
Dec 2015

us where the moderates and liberals are in the middle east. This should be good for a laugh. The US has interests, just like every other country in the world.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
120. Oh, now "everyone does it"
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:06 PM
Dec 2015

Lost the argument, so now lets just paint everyone with the brush of false-equivalency.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
121. Oh - I see you can't answer
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 02:11 PM
Dec 2015

my question about where all these supposed moderates and liberals are in the middle east and how the US (and Israel, of course) is to blame for all the mayhem. You don't have to convince me that other than Jordan (who also have their own problems) there isn't a country in the middle east that isn't run by lunatics, terrorists or their sympathizers. You made my argument for me. Thanks.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
123. "Look at the savages"
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

Being realistic is to realize that at least half the Middle East has been some kind of US military project for decades. Saddam Hussein attacked Iran with US backing, starting a war that killed a million people. (That's the last time we had any use for a secular government there.) And you, yourself, defend that based on "interests". That is called imperialism.

The groups we're fighting now were once those we supported to rid the ME of secularism and any 'non-aligned' tendencies. The idea of oil producers there being anything *not* like Saudi became too much to bear among the powerful here.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
124. Meanwhile
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:04 AM
Dec 2015

The biggest bank account for isis and other terrorists is Saudi Arabia - where the US has never had control. You can pretend all you like that terrorism is merely an answer to imperialism - that country alone makes that argument a joke. The Sunni/Shia divide is a much more relevant battle when Muslims are killling Muslims - and make no mistake, these terrorist groups are killing other Muslims far, far more than they're killing anyone else.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
125. Um, Saudi is our "client state"
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:39 PM
Dec 2015

We keep the House of Saud armed to the teeth and help it put down uprisings, and in return they provide cheap oil *and* funnel money and resources to useful extremist groups. And, of course, a desired outcome of wielding this power-from-afar is to sow mistrust and division among neighbors; Sunni theocrats have been the most useful tool to that end because they have the most aggressive ideology.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
127. I can't have a conversation with someone
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:51 PM
Dec 2015

who thinks anyone we have arms deals with is a "client state" - that would apply to the entirety of Europe. As if Saudi Arabia needs our money. No - the Saudis do what the Saudis do because they're protecting their own interests - not ours. The battle is between Sunni and Shia and everything else is window dressing.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
134. We're not talking about occassional sale of arms.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 04:42 PM
Dec 2015

The relationship goes far beyond "arms deals"; Trivializing it doesn't fool anyone.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
91. Bernie fans
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:54 AM
Dec 2015

Turned many democrats against him.

Me for one when they pulled out old right wing conspiracy BS about her and the Clintons in general using scurrilous lies from right wing sources like the Blaze

merrily

(45,251 posts)
109. You were never for him, so I don't see the point of your post, other than more
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 11:48 AM
Dec 2015

gratuitous bashing of supporters of Sanders.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
4. Hillary Commander in Chief?
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:38 PM
Dec 2015

I certainly would not want her as Commander in Chief.

First, her support for Iraq.

Then Libya.

Now this.

Three strikes --> "You Out."

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
5. I have no problem writing this off as a brain fart that happens to everyone.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:39 PM
Dec 2015

"Nuclear Option" is a phrase in the American political lexicon that has nothing to do with nukes, and the conversation was about nukes and options. It's a mistake I could easily have made.

I would need evidence that she plans "to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran" before I'm bothered by this, and I am no fan.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
11. I agree - it's a gaffe.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:48 PM
Dec 2015

A bad one, but I don't think she was really threatening to use nuclear weapons.

thucythucy

(8,050 posts)
27. True, but that doesn't make using it here any better.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:26 PM
Dec 2015

I'm trying to disregard the more hyperbolic posts on both sides.

Both candidates are miles above what passes for sentience on the Republican side.

I support Bernie, but I'll drag myself over cut glass to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination, just to keep another Rethuglican from getting into the White House.

Off topic: Bernie was great just now on Rachel Maddow.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
29. Ya know honestly, it's DU, when you get really into it, the Bernie vs. Hillary thing...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:32 PM
Dec 2015

Every time I see a ridiculous post like that it's like bait I can't resist. It makes me want to mirror it with a similar post from the other side. It's so hard to resist that. I even put like 20 people on ignore and it helped. It can't be only one side calls the other side disqualified to be commander in chief. And they were doing stuff like that all day long.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
40. This is pretty much ground zero for both teams having their nuts
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:06 AM
Dec 2015

We're in the thick of it. It doesn't get any better than this. It's only going to get worse. January will be something.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
66. The risk of triangulating Republican foreign policy is
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:14 AM
Dec 2015

...you might end up duplicating it. Which Hillary has.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
83. Exactly
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:55 AM
Dec 2015

She has shown herself to be quite untrustworthy on foreign policy between voting for the Iraq war, Kyl-Lieberman, supporting the Syrian jihadists, supporting the Honduras coup, and now this.

Response to azmom (Reply #8)

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
55. You do realize that Hillary had her head in the sand...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:30 AM
Dec 2015

In the run up to 2008, right? She never anticipated that Barack Obama, a junior Senator with barely any experience would win.

DU was filled with posters, just like yourself, who declared that Obama was unelectable and that Clinton was winning every poll--and why do we even bother supporting someone who is going to lose?

The entire Clinton meme was that she was "inevitable." It was so prolific, it became a joke.

Hillary Clinton's camp holds the record for delusion. She made Romney look rooted in reality.

So before you accuse Sanders supporters of having their heads in the sand, you may want to give yourself a reality check, there. Your camp doesn't exactly have a great track record in that area, certainly not enough to call out an entire campaign and his supporters.



upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
9. "Yesterday Hillary accidentally threatened to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:47 PM
Dec 2015

Total fiction. She used a term with more than one meaning.

I think the polls are getting to you.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
12. Sure. That's why a Supreme Court Justice had to jump in and correct her.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:49 PM
Dec 2015

At that level, people should be more careful with their words. As a diplomat should know that.

Response to upaloopa (Reply #17)

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
18. I saw your research today. I don't think you understand statistics.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:58 PM
Dec 2015

Don't set your self up for a big fall.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
59. The big fall like...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

...Hillary had when she came in third in the 2008 Iowa caucuses?

You guys are full of more hubris than you were in 2008--when you routinely insulted Obama supporters, told us he would never win. Oh boy, did you have the polls to prove it. Hundreds of polls that had Obama losing every national poll and every state poll--even after he won Iowa and NH.

You're doing the same thing again.

And you're warning us about a big fall?

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
19. You might be surprised to know I don't even look at polls
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 10:58 PM
Dec 2015

I don't care about polls at all.

edit: Well, not that much. A little bit. I know Hillary is winning big time everywhere except Vermont or something.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
76. Probably not.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:54 AM
Dec 2015

I am thinking the Sanders win will be very hard.


Not for me, though! I will be very pleased.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
71. Last figure I saw was $300,000 a MONTH....
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:33 AM
Dec 2015

Remember campaign 08? Debt in the millions to polling firms.

Buying a frigin clue is expensive.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
72. you aren't serious
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:38 AM
Dec 2015

I haven't seen one OP today that was in opposition to Hillary that was truthful and honest.

Just Innuendo

And made up shit like yours

Response to Gman (Reply #20)

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
24. So she's going to tell Jamie Dimon to "cut it out", and going to nuke Iran
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:04 PM
Dec 2015

The bipolar president. Can't wait.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
31. The observation is that
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:42 PM
Dec 2015

those who undoubtedly rallied against NYC-SKP and his manner of posting comments now rally in support as the tactics have become their own.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
30. To AIPAC and the Council on Foreign Relations it's not a disqualification, it's a gold star.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:39 PM
Dec 2015

She was talking to them and she knew exactly what she was saying.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
32. Ooooh... You may just be the thread winner...
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:43 PM
Dec 2015

"Accidentally" threatening to nuke Iran might help her with fundraising too.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
33. Then again it could have been an accident.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 11:48 PM
Dec 2015

I went to the drive through today and told them I wanted "the nuclear option". I meant to say "extra cheese".

Stuff like that happens sometimes.

Response to jalan48 (Reply #37)

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
41. She disqualified herself as commander in chief when she supported Iraq War
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:13 AM
Dec 2015

And yesterday's incident is not a gaffe. It's her consistent policy line. We heard from her own mouth that Iranians are her enemy.

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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
61. Wait, you're the one who posted this...
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:36 AM
Dec 2015


Recent events expose Bernie as not ready for primetime
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=885181


One to talk. Jeez.

It's the same thing. Except my post was at least based on actual events instead of made up stuff.

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Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
53. Hey. I watched this forum all day. It was a stream of posts on how Sanders melted down, flew off the
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:25 AM
Dec 2015

handle, isn't ready for prime time, and then saying some fake incident disqualifies him to be Commander in Chief.

So this is the response.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
80. The great thing about all those OPs Cheese, is the smell
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:58 AM
Dec 2015

of fear coming from their side. Grasping at tiny little straws. Lots of scrambling going on ....makes my day.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
82. Isn't it funny?
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:26 AM
Dec 2015

The same talking points on RW sites, but coming from a different perspective, one reads here. The Left think that Hillary is too hawkish, the Right think that she's too weak.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
50. It was a common slip of the tongue. She did not mean it.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:22 AM
Dec 2015

Trying to turn this into something is pathetic. Sorry, JMHO

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
58. It depends what you mean by pathetic.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:33 AM
Dec 2015

Clinton campaign would use this kind of thing against an opponent. They do it all the time. And they're maybe the best political operation in the world. So there has to be some point to it.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
64. That's so strange, last election cycle it was Romney stumping around threatening to beat the shit
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:05 AM
Dec 2015

out of Iran.

Now it's Hillary?

Am I taking crazy pills? Since when does our supposed front-runner crib from the previous failed Republican front-runner? Since when does a primary candidate undermine the foreign policy of the sitting Commander In Chief from the SAME PARTY? This shit is not far off from grand supreme general mcgrumpypants from Arizona, and the Wasilla meth cowgirl.

You could mix up some phrases from McCain and Hillary and play a game of 'Who Said It', and EVERYONE WOULD FUCKING LOSE.

What the hell?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
65. Then Bernie disqualified himself with his own "slip of the tongue"
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:07 AM
Dec 2015

when he said that the Iraq war was the worst policy blunder of the US -- discounting the Bay of Pigs crisis, that led to the possibility of a nuclear confrontation between the US and Russia, or the Vietnam War, which led to 60,000 pointless US deaths.

His spokesman said it was "a slip of the tongue" and that he MEANT to say "one of the worst."

So if a slip of the tongue disqualifies a candidate, then he's disqualified, too.

Which leaves Martin, I guess, unless he also has ever had a slip of the tongue.

Which I kind of bet he has.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/14/bernie-sanders-said-iraq-was-the-worst-foreign-policy-blunder-in-u-s-history-really/

Another example that would spring to mind for many is Bay of Pigs, the CIA-sponsored military invasion of Cuba in 1961. That invasion is widely remembered as an absolute disaster, with an invasion force of around 1,400 militiamen completely outnumbered by around 200,000 to 300,000 forces loyal to Fidel Castro's left-wing government. As historian Theodore Draper famously put it, it was "one of those rare events in history — a perfect failure." It helped contribute to a Cold War antagonism that could potentially have descended into nuclear war.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
89. Even without her "slip" she was being a right wing hawk
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 09:50 AM
Dec 2015

She is joining the right wing chorus that seem to be deliberately stirring the shit as a pretext for igniting a conflict with Iran, instead of using the treaty a possible step towards establishing some kind of more positive -- or at least bneitral -- relationship with the most powerful nation in the Middle East.

THAT should disqualify her, or at least shed doubt on her foreign policy "experience."

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
94. No, she wasn't. She just wasn't being a pacifist. She's nothing like the RW hawks.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:07 AM
Dec 2015

Have you listened to any of them? To any of the GOP candidates?

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
96. Yup. They've all disparaged Obama's agreement ith Iran and talk about..
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 10:54 AM
Dec 2015

being very aggressive and threatening military action against Iran. And, just like Clinton, they are deliberately putting the agreement in a negative, rather than a positive, frame.

akbacchus_BC

(5,704 posts)
73. Mrs. Clinton apologised for her vote to invade Iraq!
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:49 AM
Dec 2015

Does that not even count? I know, the atrocities were mind boggling and somehow we cannot seem to forgive her!

Look who you have on the GOP side, every frigging time, Americans are being asked to vote for the lesser of two evils and this time, the evil is Donald Trump. Don't stay home and not vote, Mrs. Clinton is way better than any GOP nominee. Kinda sad to see American politics come to such a low level. The world respected the US and now, I have no idea. I just want you all to elect a leader who can work with our Leader, Mr. Justin Trudeau, we can work together as a committed continent to fight ISIS but our PM is tired of the bull shit in the middle east. Our former PM, Chretien was smart enough to say no to the invasion of Iraq.

We can work this thing through but Trump is not the one to lead America, he is a frigging clown but his base supports him, which shows how divided America is!

cprise

(8,445 posts)
116. It took her over a decade and two presidential campaigns
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:46 PM
Dec 2015

...to come around! That's not an apology, that's reluctant calculation.

Starting in 1998, when Bill Clinton bombed Iraq in Operation Desert Fox, the Clintons have accepted or advanced the lie about WMD in Iraq. Hillary herself had access to the classified version of the NIE document, which another Senator said painted a completely different picture than the public version.

Now Hillary is pushing the Bush lie that Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map" (a horrendous mistranslation that was corrected years ago).

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
81. Yeah, whatever.........
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 05:23 AM
Dec 2015

I have seen here more than one post stating that X (fill in the hot issue of the day) "disqualifies Hillary to be CIC".

You are all preaching to your own choir and not convincing anyone else.


BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
86. If anything, those of us who
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 07:02 AM
Dec 2015

are Hillary supporters feel more strongly about our candidate than ever.

Posts such as this OP show that some Bernie supporters have not yet gotten the message. It is Democrats who participate in Dem caucuses and primaries. Bernie supporters can talk all they want about winning over Independents and the few Republicans who are not insane in the GE, but they have to get to the GE first. Constantly harping against Dems generally, Dem supporters of Hillary, DWS, or the so-called Dem "establishment" just doesn't win hearts or minds - even when there may be more than a grain of truth to what they say.

For Bernie to win among Dems generally - and Dems are his most supportive group - he will have to convince Clinton supporters to desert their candidate en masse during the Dem primary season.

I just don't see that happening, particularly when OPs like this and gratuitously nasty responses from some Bernie supporters to it continue to be the ordre du jour.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
111. Yeah the civil liberties angle could be a whole other post
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:07 PM
Dec 2015

If somebody had time.

I think she's pandering to the big donors like Saban. Even though I've been told before that she isn't influenced by the money that she takes, it seems ridiculous to me. I mean the thing is called the Saban forum for a reason. Because he is a rich powerful guy.

Hillary billionaire donor urges more scrutiny of Muslims and some suspension of civil liberties

merrily

(45,251 posts)
112. If big donors wanted to make charitable donations, they could choose better recipients than pols.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:12 PM
Dec 2015

Business has said that the biggest bang for the buck they get from any dollar is the money they donate to politicians. I don't think, by "bang for the buck" they meant just a warm, fuzzy feeling a donor gets when giving money to a charity and expecting nothing in return.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
113. It appears the Hillary "shills"
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 12:14 PM
Dec 2015

here direct from the campaign script writer room,have an answer for everything even when Hillary is dead wrong.
Which she is most of the time.
Yep Bernie's campaign would be over if he made a statement like she did.
I've noticed too that when Hillary talks about major issues she copies what Bernie has already said. Then the corporate media treats her statement as s fresh idea.
Just one question: How can any real Democrat support a Corporstist candidate like Hillary?

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Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
117. This is the kind of misspeaking I would ordinarily identify with a GOP candidate.
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 01:50 PM
Dec 2015

What the hell? 9/11 justifies big Wall Street donations, "Bomb Iran"* until the Supreme Court intervenes...

* see also: John Sidney McCain III

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
136. In 1976 during the debate with Jimmy Carter, President Ford said . . .
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 03:47 AM
Dec 2015

. . . that Poland was not behind the Iron Curtain.
Carter's eyes got as big as pancakes as he couldn't believe what he had just heard.

That was when Ford lost any chance of being re-elected.
I think this was the moment when Hillary lost her last chance to get elected President.


bvar22

(39,909 posts)
122. Threatening Nuke War with Iran is NOT a "gaffe".
Wed Dec 9, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

It is a complete political meltdown that shows very poor judgement and a mean streak of International War Mongering.

...and I thought she was campaigning on her superior experience in Foreign Affairs.
Anyone talking about using NUKES has no business in or near the White House, or anyone in it.


Thank You, Justice Stephen G. Breyer, for immediately putting an end to this kind of nonsense that belongs in Trump's campaign,
NOT the Democratic Party.
We are supposed to be smarter than that.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
128. You know as well as anyone that nuclear
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:57 PM
Dec 2015

option has a double meaning and that Hillary would never threaten nuclear war in a campaign speach.

But then being her loyal opposition gives you rights no one else has.

This primary season must be setting records for producing innuendo and bull shit.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
130. You should have read the OP before responding.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:08 PM
Dec 2015

Here. I'll help:

Yesterday Hillary accidentally threatened to launch a first strike nuclear attack against Iran.

In a strange incident, Supreme Court Justice Breyer jumped in from the audience to correct her.

How rare is it that a politician says something so bizarre, so inappropriate, that a Supreme Court Justice will actually interrupt her speech to rescue her from her own words? Extremely rare. Never heard of it before. "


If you are having trouble with this (and clearly you are), take it up with the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/us/politics/hillary-clinton-islamic-state-saban-forum.html

MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
129. The originator of this thread can't reply.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:06 PM
Dec 2015

He or she is on a time-out for having 5 hidden posts. Won't be able to reply for some time to come.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
131. This is why Bernie Sanders will be the next President of the United States.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:24 PM
Dec 2015

Her hardline foreign policy positions.
She never uses the word "peace" in any of her speeches.
She's always talking about "war", "terrorism", "bombs", "enemies", "drones", or something militaristic like that.

That is why I think she is a warmonger.
And that's why I won't vote for her.


MineralMan

(146,307 posts)
132. The OP can't reply to you.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:28 PM
Dec 2015

Cheese Sandwich has been put on time-out for having five hidden posts and an exposed Transparency Page.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=321990&sub=trans

You'll have to wait a while for a response.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
133. That doesn't change my position on this issue one iota.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 03:38 PM
Dec 2015

Many people read threads here, including Thom Hartmann.
I'm just adding to his thread.

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