Hillary Clinton Hasn't Won ANYTHING Yet

[Segami]

Her supporters want you to believe it's over. Don't fall for it. Polls say all kinds of shit. They are at best skewed snapshots, static moments in the flow of time. They never tell the whole story and are often used to dupe or brow beat people into believing something that is not true. They are questionable at best. Especially when you have corporate America and their wholly owned media lined up against you. All that matters are votes and not a single one has been cast. Hillary supporters want Hillary to win the primary without a contest. They want to proclaim it done. 'Give up! It's over! You can't win!' Her supporters, like her corporate sponsors, Wall Street, the Military Industrial Complex and the DNC, want to ram her down our throats. They want you to believe they've already won. Don't believe it. It's not true. This is till a democracy and now is the time to prove it.


Remember who owns the MSM. Remember who the corporations are behind. Do not believe the deluge of high-caliber corporate bullshit spewing from the disinformation machine 24/7. They are terrified of Bernie. They will spend billions to stop him. They will say anything, do anything to keep us from making him our president. And they are saying it and doing it every day. Don't believe a word of it. They mean to hang on to their government of, by and for the 1%. We won't stop them by rolling over for their lies. And if we don't stop them, it will be a failure with enormous consequences. Do not believe the corporate bullshit. I've seen people saying they have given up hope that Bernie can win. WTF? Not a single vote has been cast. This fight is not over, it's just begun, and this is the fight of our lifetime. We cannot afford to lose this struggle for the future of humanity. Don't you dare give up.


This is not the time to give up. This is the time to fire up. Work for Bernie, volunteer for Bernie, donate to Bernie, share the info, share this diary and all the others. Tweet, FaceBook share, burn up Reddit, get the word out. Talk to everyone you can. Write diaries or spread the diaries you find here and elsewhere. Flood your social network with information. Share the Bernie News Round-up every day. Help people to become informed and engaged. Do everything you can to wake people up before it’s too late. The internet is ours and it’s a powerful thing. Use it. And most of all, don't believe the bullshit. Damn the lies and the corporate bullshit, full speed ahead! Don't be demoralized by a bunch of empty rah-rah. This is our time. In a typical corporatist bullshit move, Time Magazine is ripping Bernie off after the people chose him as person of the year by a wide margin.



cont'

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/10/1458857/-Hillary-hasn-t-won-anything-yet

[Walk away]

1. Well, she just won the endorsement of the Federal Workers Union!

Another great endorsement for Hillary! Congratulations!!!!


p.s. and that's no lie!

[wendylaroux]

6. Do the members vote for these endorsements,or just

Union leaders?

[Walk away]

10. When the membership was polled she won by a 2 to 1 margin!

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/10/politics/hillary-clinton-union-support/index.html

[wendylaroux]

15. The AFGE National Executive Council, the organizing body for the union,

then voted this week to endorse Clinton.

[Walk away]

20. Here you go! Maybe this will help.

"The federal employee union came to its decision by sending questionnaires to all announced presidential candidates and conducted surveys of its membership. According to the union, "Clinton's support exceeded that of the next closest candidate's by a 2-1 margin.""

[wendylaroux]

22. oh,ok,thanks! nt

[YOHABLO]

55. Those federal employees that were willing to participate.

Questionnaires and surveys are not mandatory.

[senz]

58. The people LOVE Bernie. He has the crowds, the Internet and our hearts.

Hillary has money, clout, power, and a history of vindictiveness.

[Buzz cook]

66. Some people love Bernie, he has activists, on and off the internet and some hearts

There fixed it for you,

[Walk away]

82. And about twice as many supporters! nt

[Bubzer]

156. That would explain the huge crowds showing upat her rallies...oh wait...

[BeanMusical]

169. Yep...

[senz]

173. I have it on good authority that Hillary OWNS that piece of land.

So there!

[BeanMusical]

177. She also owns the small town nearby:

And here's the Mayor:

[senz]

189. LOL! Take that, Bill!

That Hillary, never know where she'll turn up next.

[Walk away]

212. It's easy for Bernie to get the crowds out....

https://www.facebook.com/Tea-Party-Patriots-for-Bernie-Sanders-in-2016-517219105099552/timeline/
https://www.facebook.com/Tea-Party-Patriots-for-Bernie-Sanders-in-2016-517219105099552/timeline/

Teabaggers will go anywhere in droves!!!

[Bubzer]

213. LOL... the page is a lampoon of the teaparty. It's satire... and you completely missed that. *smh*

Did you even bother to read the page at all? Considering your comment, I'm guessing not.
It's actually quite amusing... thank you for sharing it.

As an aside, I don't mind if teabagers, republicans or conservatives want to promote Bernie. It just proves Bernie has cross over appeal. I know you mean that to be derogatory, but I just don't accept it as a negative. Have a great day!

[Agschmid]

109. *Had the crowds.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251887638

[MADem]

140. Ouch! nt

[BeanMusical]

164. Lol!

[DownriverDem]

41. Never forget

Hillary is not your enemy. It's the repubs who are your enemy.

[wendylaroux]

43. No worries there.

[JDPriestly]

72. Hillary is not our enemy, but she is a big part of the problem.

Her political philosophy, that of Third-Way or DLC Democrats, pushes the nation and even the Republicans further toward the right.

She does not value the right to free speech. She favors a surveillance state and extreme police powers. She voted to go to war with Iraq without asking how we would govern or heal the country after invading. She did the same with Libya, and now we have to deal with ISIS.

Her best friends, her most generous friends are on Wall Street. She owes them and other 1%ers her campaign, the money that funds her campaign.

She promotes ideas that divide the country further such as that state colleges and universities should be free -- but only for those with incomes low enough to qualify for free tuition.

She claims to oppose the TPP although she praised it many times. She favors free trade and the arbitration courts that can impose fines on American taxpayers without providing us with a system of appeal. That is an attack on our sovereignty as a nation. I disagree strongly with her on that.

Hillary is not our enemy, but she is not our friend either.

[Thespian2]

154. Well...................

there you go, being absolutely correct in your analysis...

[BeanMusical]

178. Great post.

[artislife]

179. Such a peach. nt

[Major Hogwash]

205. She's not part of the solution at all.

So, she is part of the problem.

[George II]

60. For just about every union that has endorsed her (and Sanders) members are polled.

[Scuba]

209. Source please.

[George II]

225. About 25 unions have endorsed candidates, each methodology is slightly different.....

....check the website of any you're interested in.

[Scuba]

227. George, are you just making shit up or can you back up your claim?

[George II]

228. No, and yes, but I'm not going to dig up stuff that has been discussed on this site dozens of times

and essentially dismissed as an issue.

It came up when Clinton got her FIRST national endorsement a few months ago, and then again for another one, and again, and even a week or so ago when she got like her 14th or 15th big endorsement.

Funny how no one questioned the methodology behind the few union endorsements that Sanders has gotten.

[Scuba]

229. Then don't make claims like "most unions such-and-such" if you can't/won't back them up.

Someone more cynical than I might come to believe that you're full of shit.

[George II]

230. I did it the first few times this came up months ago, and....

....someone else earlier posted the methodology behind the endorsement in question.

PS, please don't tell me what I shouldn't do, thank you.

[artislife]

23. Gee, is that just like voting in November 2016?

She has won many polls, on many sites. Not all of them favorable....

The only ones that matter are the Primaries and if she gets into the GE. She hasn't done that ever, yet.

[Walk away]

30. Neither has Senator Lockheed Martin! And he is trailing pretty far behind....

no need to lie about that!

[Ed Suspicious]

77. You mean Senator Fuck this Shit - People need a fair chance?

[Walk away]

86. No I mean Senator "Lets get plenty of Pork for my state by building lots of war machines....

so I can keep getting elected"

[frylock]

136. Are these the same war machines that Hillary wants to sell to Israel?

Clinton also announced that she supports selling the the F-35 to Israel, which would make it the only U.S. ally eligible for the new generation of fighter aircraft.

[Bubzer]

176. ZING!

[senz]

195. Thank you.

They've had the F-35 story up on a pedestal for months. Hope it just crashed to the ground.

You are so smart, frylock.

[artislife]

181. Really!

The responses coming from camp weathervane are getting higher in pitch.

[BeanMusical]

186. Have you seen the foam at the mouth too?

Scary.

[artislife]

188. We might have to go Old Yeller on it!

[Tommy2Tone]

31. Attention Walk away: Did you not get the memo?

We are supposed to ignore anything that supports Hillary and rave about anything that supports Bernie. Get with the program.

[DownriverDem]

42. Thank you!

Nov. 2016 is all that matters. Hillary is not your enemy. The repubs are.

[Tommy2Tone]

45. I am a proud Hillary supporter.

My post was pure sarcasm.

[artislife]

182. Lolz....

I imagine her losing and it perks up my commute.

[senz]

196. ...

[Walk away]

132. I just can't help myself sometimes. I usually don't give a crap about...

these desperation OPs. "Bernie is winning because everyone in the world is lying except Reddit and Facebook!" But every once and a while one of then strikes me funny!

[workinclasszero]

50. Unions are solidly behind Hillary

Kinda ruins the Bernie narrative that's spread around here and elsewhere, but it is what it is.

[George II]

56. And more than 70% of the Democrats in Congress and the Senate.

[rhett o rick]

160. But does she care that 16,000,000 American children live in poverty?

Not if it cost her friends in the 1% a dime.

[BeanMusical]

180. +1 Absolutely.

[SidDithers]

2. It's only a matter of TIME...nt

Sid

[workinclasszero]

51. snark

[riversedge]

3. Settle down and have a

cookie. I might sweeten you up a bit.

[Fawke Em]

7. Hell, even Bernie's cookies are more appetizing than Hil's.

[Segami]

9. Now, those are cookies!

[JonLeibowitz]

26. Mmmhmm I like the frosting on the fringes. Is there any fringe left?

[Duval]

87. Making me want one!! Those cookies are adorable!

Yay and 3 cheers for Joshua!

[bvf]

161. Props to Joshua! n/t

[senz]

171. Adorable, isn't he?

Of course, most Bernie supporters are.

[artislife]

183. That's true.

Did you see that sad ones that were posted.

They looked like they were in the day old pile.

[d_legendary1]

222. THOSE ARE COOKIES!!!

I'll take half a dozen with a

[chervilant]

148. Looks like those are a wee bit overdone...

Or, are we calling that "over-the-hill"? I can't keep up.

[cosmicone]

4. I am tempted to start an OP "Bernie hasn't won anything yet"

But, in my opinion, it would be childish of me.

[Walk away]

18. That's for sure! Oh wait...Time magazine internet poll Person of the Year!

(cover not included)

[redstateblues]

131. That's WillyT's thing

[upaloopa]

5. That message has a "do not purchase after"

date on it. It is sometime in Feb or Mar 2016.

[Fawke Em]

8. You're right!

If she's the nominee after March, I won't be making that out-dated purchase in November.

[upaloopa]

16. Well I won't have to read your OP's after

that date either.

See there is some good in everything

[senz]

63. Fawke Em's a good Democrat. Why insult her?

[Duval]

92. Thanks, senz. I was also wondering.

[upaloopa]

99. I am not insulting her

She says she won't support Hillary if she is the nominee. Per the TOS she can't post anti nominee OP's.

I get tired of reading the anti Hillary OP's by many on Bernie's side. If they don't support the nominee it is a plus for me.

[senz]

198. She ain't the nominee yet, honey

and for the love of this country we'll do our best to see that she won't be.

[exhausted]

73. Winning the hearts and minds of the Bernie supporters.

Not.

Clinton voters seem to think they have it wrapped up and are now proceeding to the GE. Big mistake.

[Hekate]

106. Aww, so new to DU and already so wise to our ways....

Not.

The vast majority of HRC supporters here have said repeatedly that they will vote for the nominee, whoever that may be.

A very loud plurality of BS supporters here complain that they cannot bring themselves to vote for anyone but BS, and that HRC supporters are big meanies who just want a coronation.

[Gman]

11. Ummm... Okay. But it's still over.

[senz]

67. Don't give up on the human race so easily.

[frylock]

137. It is over. You'll come to grips with that eventually.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. And it's off to the Greatest Page with you! n/t

[ismnotwasm]

13. Personally I don't think my opinion will change a single Sanders supporter.

But I agree with the underlying sentiment of this post-- minus the CT anti-Hillary slams--you want your candidate to win? Get busy. It's how it works no matter who you are rooting for. Bravo.

[riversedge]

14. I see you are evolving quite nicely, as you included 'yet' correctly in your OP subject line.

Good show. By doing so, you will progress thru the stages of Grief and Loss smoothly.

[Armstead]

35. Smugness is not an attractive trait

[nxylas]

113. It's all they've got

If HRH wins the nomination, and America remains an oligopoly instead of seizing the chance to restore its democracy, most (maybe...99%?) of her courtiers will be as downtrodden as everyone else. But by sucking up to our owners, they can convince themselves that they are part of the ruling elite, instead of mere pawns. It's how the right-wing mind works. Rush Limbaugh was probably the first to exploit this trait, making his listeners feel like they are part of an exclusive club who get to look down on "liberal losers". See 'The authoritarianism of right wing radio": http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/americas/us/war_on_terror.htm

Edited to add: apologies for the link. The original article from Common Dreams is buried among a lot of CT crap, but it seems to have disappeared from Common Dreams itself.

[senz]

200. Probably easier to do than overcoming

a certain meanness of spirit.

[99Forever]

17. AWESOME POST!

We the People will prevail.

Screw the corporations and their bought and paid for candidates.

[Segami]

19. Bernie's message is 'compassionate, honest and trustworthy'.....

...And thats what these people came to see and hear........not more orchestrated corporate theater.

[MADem]

46. That was when...June? July?

He's not packing 'em in like that anymore. The Big Rally paradigm has played itself out. He can still draw a decent-sized crowd, though, but pretty much everyone has heard "the speech" thanks to the internet, so the value in standing in line, waiting for hours, etc. is somewhat mitigated.

[senz]

75. And yet he's still packing 'em in. Amazing, isn't it? People love Bernie.

Here, have a gander (and be sure to cherry-pick the smallest groups in order to create a false impression):

[MADem]

124. Yes, that's it, exactly...those crowd sizes get smaller and smaller.

What a tiny crowd in Big Old Atlanta, for example, compared to his summertime boom in Oregon.... His entire tour through SC and DC looked like a waste of time, compared to those big honking rallies he had back in the hazy, crazy days of summer...

Looks like he's abandoned these efforts, and he's doing traditional fundraisers with Debbie Wasserman Schultz, now. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/259298-sanders-dnc-strike-fundraising-deal

[senz]

125. Depends on the venue. Some big, some medium sized, all enthusiastic.

Plus, people are hunkering down to support this excellent, courageous candidate in volunteering and internet support.

At the grassroots level, Hillary never even comes close.

[MADem]

141. If it makes you feel better to believe that, you keep on keeping on. nt

[senz]

162. Oh thank you, madam.

I will.

[MADem]

163. Not madam, MADem (MA-Massachusetts/Dem-Democrat). nt

[BeanMusical]

165. Oh, and all this time I thought that it was a superposition of MAD & Dem! (seriously)

Sorry, Ms/Mrs.

[MADem]

168. Well, I was a pretty Mad Dem from MA when Bush stole the election! nt

[senz]

166. Oh, how cool. I've loved my visits to Massachusetts.

I hear there are quite a few Bernie supporters in the Boston-Cambridge area.

[MADem]

167. There are, but Hillary owns this state. nt

[senz]

170. OMG I knew she was wealthy, but this is amazing.

[MADem]

172. She didn't buy it--it was a gift from the voters! nt

[senz]

174. Ah, then Goldman Sachs bought it...

... phooey.

[MADem]

175. No, no--a gift from the Democratic voters who have supported

her down the years. She always gets a warm reception here. Even the mayor of Boston has endorsed her.

[senz]

187. Well I hope you're wrong, partly for personal reasons.

A long time ago I formed an endearingly positive impression of Massachusetts based on the writings of Emerson, Thoreau, Emily Dickinson, and Robert Lowell. And in our (or my) lifetime, Jack, Robert, and Edward Kennedy hailed from Mass. Now we have the fine and heroic Elizabeth Warren. My best friend from high school grew up in Cambridge, and a college friend of my ex-husband's set up medical practice in the Boston-Cambridge area. I've always found it a beautiful, interesting place to visit ... so it makes me sad to think the people of Massachusetts can't see more deeply into politicians.

But maybe they'll surprise us. I hope so.

[MADem]

190. Will you throw Warren under the bus when she endorses HRC?

Save her (and I think she's saving her endorsement for the ideal moment), every member of the MA delegation has endorsed Clinton.

[senz]

192. Well, we both know she disagrees with Hillary

on everything that matters (and if you don't know that, you don't know anything, MADem), so if she endorses Hillary, it will be for the same reason that Bernie would endorse her: lesser of two evils, i.e., if Hillary wins the nomination (heaven forbid).

But not much lesser. Not much at all.

[MADem]

193. OK. Hold fast to that if you want.

I think at the end of the day you will be disappointed, though.

And actually, her points of disagreement are very specific, and her points of agreement are many. They've more in common than not.

I'll let her best friend Barney Frank explain it all:

“She’s just focusing on maximizing her own voice,” says former Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank, who praises Warren for sticking to the financial and consumer issues that she most cares about after all the media frenzy over whether she was running for president. “She’s made the very correct decision to be enormously influential as a senator in the minority, and she’s not going to dilute her impact on public policy.”

For the record, Frank supports Clinton for president, and when I suggested the left would love to see Warren as Treasury Secretary in a Clinton administration, he forcefully rejected the idea.

“Why go to work for somebody else? She’s one of the most influential senators in American history. How many Treasury Secretaries have been influential? Why work for somebody else? She’s more influential on her own. She doesn’t get into all kinds of issues. She has her views on foreign policy and the environment, but she’s focused on what she knows the best.”

That’s high praise for a freshman senator, and while Warren is in no apparent hurry to endorse Clinton, she did send the Democratic frontrunner a kind of digital bouquet Monday with a Facebook post praising Clinton’s proposals to regulate Wall Street. “Secretary Clinton is right to fight back against Republicans trying to sneak Wall Street giveaways into the must-pass government funding bill,” Warren wrote.

I think Warren would be aces as Fed Chair, myself. Treasury might be too easy for her, but Fed Chair? I could see her doing that Oracle Thing for a couple of consecutive terms....

[senz]

194. Well I'm sure she would be welcome in the Sanders administration

but doubt that Hillary's owners (big banks, oil companies, weapons manufacturers) would want Sen. Warren anywhere near their (Hillary's) administration.

Warren's in a tight spot but I think she can handle it. She knows how much power the bought-and-sold Hillary wields in the Democratic Party, especially with DWS (a former Hillary campaign co-chair) in charge, and she knows the Clintons do not brook any opposition within the Democratic ranks, but she, like Bernie Sanders, has strongly held convictions, so I believe she will find a way to steer a safe middle course without compromising her values.

Yes, I know she encourages Hillary to do or say the right thing. That's entirely appropriate.

[MADem]

197. Well, Sanders has teamed up with DWS, himself, so I think maybe you need to pull her out from under

that bus.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/bernie-sanders-2016-fundraising-dnc-215559

A lot of these politicians are more pragmatic than their supporters seem to be.

[senz]

199. Yes, I know he's pragmatic

it's one of the things I like about him. He'll make a great president.

But I gotta tell ya, MAssachusetts Democrat, that "bus" metaphor has gotten stale. Time for a new one.

[MADem]

206. Well, under a subway car is in poor taste.

The bus line may be stale, but it is where people end up if they cross purists who demand set behaviors from their heroes, and then the heroes have the nerve to act in ways that don't meet the purists' standards.

It happens all the time.

[senz]

218. Oh I could tell you a tragic and shocking story

about an event involving the third rail of the Boston subway but I shouldn't and so won't.

You think I'm one of those purists who believe they have the right to control a politician's behavior, but it's not true. I have spent the past 7 years defending Obama because I have seen that his values and intentions are good.

Very sorry, but I can't say the same for Hillary. I find no center in her, do not trust her at all.

[MADem]

224. Such an event happened quite recently in the city of Boston.

I do think you treat HRC with an unreasonably harsh attitude and vibe--it's noticeable. I think you don't look very hard to find the good in her (and there's LOTS), and why you do that is something only you might learn through introspection, or maybe examining the sources where you get your news stories.

It's funny how strength and resolve are assets when they're ascribed to males of our species. Assign the same attributes to females, though, and they morph into "calculating," "cold," "no center," and all sorts of negative descriptors. I've seen it happen over and over again, and I often think that the people saying these things don't even realize what they're saying, or why. Or, more to the point, how they come across to people who are sensitized to this kind of language and characterization.

If Hillary Clinton had written an article saying that frigid women caused their own cervical cancer, she'd be dead in the water with no way of restarting the engines. She would have no hope of EVER being taken seriously in public life. In fact, she'd have been dead in the water before her husband was sworn in as POTUS. If Hillary Clinton had written some of the other fanciful writings of of a certain senator from VT, she very well might have pulled her husband's career down around both set of their ears, quite frankly. The rules are different, though, for some. Some get an "Oh well....that was YEARS ago!!!!" while others get an "UNFORGIVEN!! When you were a YOUNG TEEN, you helped support your father's favorite candidate!!! NEVER FORGET, people--NEVER FORGET!!!!"

I see it all the time. I take it from whence it comes, frankly.

Obama exercised great judgment in choosing HRC as his SECSTATE. If you truly like and support Obama, and you think his "values and intentions are good," you probably ought to think about actually liking and supporting his decisions--like choosing HRC as his SECSTATE.

But hey, whatever....

:large

[senz]

231. Hillary Clinton's gender is unrelated to our criticisms of her.

I do not see "strength and resolve" in Hillary, but I do see those qualities in Angela Merkel, Elizabeth Warren, Cecile Richards (and saw them in her mother, Ann), Michele Obama, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and numerous women Senators and Representatives, all of whom are just as "female," just as "gendered" as Hillary. HRC fans are well aware that most Bernie supporters would have favored Sen. Warren for president with as much enthusiasm as we do Bernie, and you cannot deny that Warren is as female, as fully gendered, as Hillary. As a female myself, I am embarrassed by this absurd pose that the only thing anyone rejects in Hillary is her gender and that all the qualities we find so hideous in her would be fully acceptable in a man.

That is a load of crap. It's an insult to everyone's intelligence.

Hillary vacillates and changes her stance on important issues too frequently to be called "strong and resolved." The war-mongering and blood-thirst that many of us have objected to in Hillary have nothing to do with failed gender expectations; if anything, it seems more closely related to a damaged psyche -- which is part of what makes her such a bad choice for president. My "no center" criticism has nothing to do with strength and resolve and is only tangentially related to coldness and calculation. It means she demonstrates no firm commitment to any principle, any value at all, except her own personal advancement and perhaps middle-class women's rights and middle-class children's welfare. This is not a person who should be given power over millions of people.

You complain about Bernie Sanders' early 1970s essays for a Vermont left-wing revolutionary paper, and you claim that if Hillary had written such essays it would have ended her and her husband's career. I had to look up the cervical cancer/frigidity claim and found that it stems from his having quoted a medical journal, to wit,

“Sexual adjustment seemed to be very poor in those with cancer of the cervix,” he wrote, quoting a study in a journal called Psychosomatic Medicine.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/07/362178-bernie-sanders-has-an-unconventional-cause-of-cervical-cancer-the-cure-for-it-is-more-orgasms/

Big deal. The late 1960s, early 1970s were a time of intense sexual questioning and curiosity by politically leftist intellectuals who were reading and influenced by psychologists who theorized that the repression of the 1950s had damaged people's psyches. Many tried to drop their repressions by various forms of promiscuity, and for a while "open marriages" were popular even among otherwise average suburban couples. It was a brief but widespread phenomenon. If Hillary had been a young countercultural leftist intellectual writing on similar subjects, I seriously doubt it would have had an appreciable effect on her later political career. It was an early 70s fad and I remember it pretty well. Much of it stemmed from the writing of Wilhelm Reich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Reich). I had an in-law who was a Reichian psychologist with some unusual theories. People tolerated these things back in those days.

As for Hillary's young Republicanism, I agree it's a cheap shot since most children adopt their parents' political views until they grow up enough to form their own. I think what makes it so meaningful for some is her current rightwing attitudes and behaviors.

As her and Obama's relationship, I do not buy the story that they genuinely like each other; I think their "friendly" relationship is purely political. Those who were familiar with the post-election principals considered Obama's appointment of Hillary as his SoS to be a manifestation of "keep your friends close and your enemies even closer." Hillary's anger at losing the nomination was so intense that it seemed almost childish for a while, and her relationship with Obama, though smiley, never seemed relaxed and natural. She was unbelievably ugly toward him during the primary, and I have a sense that Michele never forgave Hillary for the things she said. The photo you put up is probably the friendliest I've seen, but it really doesn't say much. Politics is like that. We've all seen Hillary's adoring smiles at Henry Kissinger and Donald Trump. Politics is a very phony business.

[MADem]

232. Big deal? I'd wager it would be a "YUUUUUUUUUUGE" world-ending, Oh-The-Huge-Manatee "deal"

if Hillary did the very same thing, and you know it. The crowd around here will excoriate her for being a KID who supported her daddy's POTUS candidate, during a time when the voting age was 21. And see? Even while you pretend to excuse it, you double down and dig in. You just can't help yourself.

But hey, IOKIYABS. I get it. So do most people who see which way the wind blows.

Don't even try to pretend she'd get the same pass that Sanders has gotten--because it's just. not. true.

And as for "rightwing attitudes and behaviors" I'd say that Gunz For All and States Rights arguments aren't terribly "progressive," but hey, IOKIYABS!!! These things are "progressive" because he likes 'em!

For you to take photos at an awards ceremony and try to "make" something of them shows me how bankrupt your arguments are. Talk about an empty sack o' nothing!

[DFW]

210. Elizabeth Warren represents Massachusetts brilliantly in the Senate

But she "hails" from Oklahoma.

[senz]

220. Yeah, I thought I'd heard something like that.

Furthermore, there is something midwestern about Sen. Warren.

Thanks for the information. Nice Gide quote!

[DFW]

223. When you've heard her talk ten feet in front of you, all doubt is erased!

She does have the twang.

Gide's quote has proven to be a guiding light for me. I re-say it to myself every time I listen to a speech or read a post on DU!

[99th_Monkey]

21. But, Bernie can't win!

[Walk away]

24. That graphic says it all. I bet Robin goes home and donates to Hillary!

[MADem]

48. Really. Who knew that insulting, berating, denigrating and beating on people wouldn't draw them to

your cause?

[Walk away]

52. I sure hope Robin doesn't have a Facebook account!

[MADem]

61. Indeed! People will write "angry things" on his "wall!"

[99th_Monkey]

118. Robin is not going to "go rogue" for Hillary

He IS a Millennial after all. He wants to go to college without paying for it
the rest of his life.

[Walk away]

130. Even after the B Man slaps him silly and yells at him to go vote for Bernie?

Robin sounds like a Millennial masochist!

[AlbertCat]

152. That graphic says it all.

That graphic is such an internet cliche, I can't believe you think it actually means anything. Like it's used for everything.... to the point its USE is part of the joke.

So, alas, that graphic says nothing. Unless you are so square and out of it, you're just seeing it.

[BeanMusical]

185. You are right, I'm afraid.

[jwirr]

84. I wish this was a thread all by itself - I would like to add it

to Facebook.

[DaveT]

25. Four out of five scientists

Say the we should not bother with election at all. Hill and Bill's only problem is choosing the cake for the Inaugural Ball.

And you can't argue with Science!

[DownriverDem]

40. Hello?

You really underestimate the whole process. Hillary/Castro 2016!

[senz]

191. Well if it were Fidel I might consider it.

Could be interesting...

[blue neen]

207. Really?

You'd pick a Communist Dictator over a great Democrat like Julian Castro? Julian would make a wonderful VP candidate for either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

[senz]

219. Joking.

Fidel Castro is what? In his 80s? 90s? But mixing him up with Hillary would have to be very, very interesting.

I have nothing against either Castro brother. And am not a communist.

[WillyT]

27. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Cheap_Trick]

28. They counted their chickens before they hatched in 2008.

How'd THAT work out for them?

[DownriverDem]

37. 2008 isn't 2015/16

Hillary learned her lesson from Obama. She is running a similar campaign as he did. Rack up your support, rack up the money (yes money, the game is played with tons of money) and rack up delegates. You can get delegates before the first primary vote is cast. That is how Obama did it. When Hillary realized that she couldn't get the number of delegates needed, she ended her campaign.

[Punkingal]

44. This is not a game...

It is our future and our children's future this election is about.

[Dont call me Shirley]

101. Thank you, Punkingal! And TPP and the other bad "trade" deals destroy our future. Bernie stands

against them in physical reality.

[Punkingal]

112. you're welcome...it is a game to some people, though

A power and money game, a get in the history books game, an elitist sense of entitlement game. Screw all that. I honestly believe our survival depends on ending business as usual and I am so over believing Hillary gives a flip about anything but her own ambition. And I once WORSHIPED the Clintons.

[Dont call me Shirley]

114. Life is to be lived. Games are to be played. But people's lives are not a game. Bernie 2016.

[Punkingal]

134. agree..love Bernie

[senz]

201. I love botha youse guys

Punkingal and Shirley. Your dialogue was like an oasis amid the jaded comments of the jaded commenters.

[Punkingal]

217. thanks...

I haven't had much to say until now, but I just can't stand it anymore. The coronation is an outrage.

[senz]

221. You have a lot to say

and you're articulate, Punkingal. I hope you'll continue to add your voice to the discussion.

[Punkingal]

226. thank u...i will

[frylock]

138. Hillary has Obama's mailing lists, and that is the only connection to his 2008 campaign..

Hillary racked up delegates in 2008 as well, until they all bailed for Obama. I expect the establishment Dems will go down with the ship this time around, but Sanders won't need them.

[Faux pas]

29. Thank

the Universe for small favors!

[DownriverDem]

32. No she hasn't but

All that matters is a Dem win in Nov. 2016. I am a Hillary supporter and am working like hell to make sure she wins. I have been following her since her work on the Watergate Hearings as a young lawyer. I have waited my whole adult life to be able to vote for a qualified woman Dem for president. However, if Bernie wins the nomination, I will work like hell to get him elected. I hope Bernie supporters feel the same way. A repub win would just about destroy the country I love.

[jwirr]

90. TPP, Glass-Steagall, "cut it out" bank reform - it is our

future was are talking about.

[Hekate]

108. Thanks, DownriverDem. See you at the voter reg table next year.

[firebrand80]

33. Nice. That strawman never had a chance nt

[question everything]

34. Neither has Bernie. Nor Trump, nor Cruz. You point being? (nt)

[merrily]

36. Thanks for showing up instead of giving up, Senator Sanders!

[DownriverDem]

38. Bernie will help Hillary

If Hillary wins the presidency, just think how much she will need Bernie. He will be a great helper in the senate.

[merrily]

62. Belated welcome to DU. Don't be a dink.

[MADem]

39. She's won the endorsement of hundreds of super delegates....

...and she's won my heart! Among others!

So, to say she hasn't 'won' anything is really just not accurate.

[restorefreedom]

47. the supers will follow the will of the people

its nice to claim early support, but if the votes and delegates go to bernie, the supers will have to follow. a "steal" for hillary will guarantee a ge loss and severe damage to the party.

but she might as well enjoy it now, nothing wrong with that...

[MADem]

57. The supers will follow their hearts and their endorsements.

And their hearts and endorsements say CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON.

Sanders has ... what? ONE super delegate? Two, maybe? Oh wait--NPR says he's found EIGHT!

If you can't see that as an issue and a problem, well, I can't help you. His own PEERS, in the House AND the Senate, have turned their backs on him. After a while, the handwriting is on the wall.

The problem with that scenario you envision is expecting these "people" to vote for a candidate who hasn't ever reached out to help a fellow legislator, but most importantly, has not demonstrated the ability to win on Super Tuesday.

The votes will not "go to Bernie." At best, for Bernie, it will be close, and then the super delegates will put Clinton over the top. At best, for Clinton, it will be a righteous pounding, and the super delegates will add to her aura of invincibility.

So, if there's any "enjoying" to do, you go on and have your dreams now, because odds are good to excellent you will not have them later. Here's an article on the "magic" of "superdelegatry" for you to examine--Sanders has to dig his way out of a hole to break even, and from there, he needs to get enough delegates to win. That's just not going to happen:

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/13/455812702/clinton-has-45-to-1-superdelegate-advantage-over-sanders

.....these numbers mean Clinton has already gotten 15 percent of the delegates needed — two months before any voting has begun. In other words, Clinton starts with a 15 percentage point head start over Sanders.

What's more, superdelegates have a greater importance than raw numbers. That's because the way they lean, political scientists have found, is one of the best predictors of who will become the nominee.
"What's highly correlated with who becomes the nominee is the number of party elite endorsements a candidate has in the year before the election," UCLA political scientist Lynn Vavreck told NPR's Sam Sanders in a story last month. "The idea is not that anybody hears that someone has endorsed you and then that sways their vote. The idea is that party elites have a sense of who is viable and electable as a candidate. They have unique insider knowledge about this."

It's remarkable that this many would come forward — on the record — this early. In most cycles, many of the leaders wait until results in their states.

What accounts for this? The Clintons have a deep history with Democratic Party politics — Bill, of course, being a former president.

Sanders, on the other hand, has never been a registered Democrat and does not have the kind of party roots that the Clintons have. That has made it very difficult for Sanders to break through with the party elite.

[restorefreedom]

69. the problem will solve itself

if clinton gets the votes, then the supers will keep their alliance, and there is no issue. if bernie gets the popular vote and wins the delegates, the supers will have to respect the will of the people unless they want president trump. the elites will not subvert the will of the people unless they want a loss in the ge.

however, if you believe that hillary will get the votes in the primaries, then you have nothing at all to worry about.

[MADem]

71. I know Clinton will win Super Tuesday. Not believe. Know.

I've never been worried--in fact, I am confident in her ability to prevail.

But if your dreams keep you warm, keep dreaming. That doesn't bother me, either.

You might try actually reading that article I offered you. It makes quite clear the uphill battle that your candidate faces. He's not going to pull it out. He's already plateaued.

[restorefreedom]

83. i did read the article. it actually cements my support of bernie

bernie is clearly NOT the establishment choice, which is why, when the popular votes come in, people might be surprised. this is not a good year to be an establishment candidate. on both sides, people are fed up with politicians concerned more about their own jobs and pet projects than the people they are supposed to represent.

i guess we will both continue to have confidence in our candidates. given the early-ness of the process, that's a good thing imo

enjoy primary season, i know i plan to

[MADem]

97. How nice! nt

[restorefreedom]

98. see? we are both happy.. all is well :) nt

[senz]

85. Oh the fix is in? Like Rove "knew" Mitt would win in 2012?

Or is this a replay of the past?

[restorefreedom]

91. sounds like an 08 redux....nt

[MADem]

93. Yep--the fix is in with the people who actually go to the polls. nt

[restorefreedom]

96. if the people actually get to decide,

then their choice is their choice

if the "party elite" decides they don't like the people's choice and try and subvert it, there will be big trouble for the party and the ge

[MADem]

102. The people will get to decide. The ones who are actually registered to vote.

Not online socks in online polls!

[restorefreedom]

104. thats all i want. a fair election where the results are respected.

i guess we will see if all those socks correspond to real voters.

time will tell.......

[Ed Suspicious]

80. Like they did in 8. Followed their hearts to the better candidate when it was all said and done.

[restorefreedom]

88. they can follow their hearts all they want until the votes come in

once the people speak, they will not have a choice unless they want the destruction of the party, just like, as you point out, in 08 they switched to obama

[MADem]

89. Yeah, sure. For that to be reality, Sanders would have to "be" Obama. And he's no Obama.

Not by a long shot.

Don't stop "believing" though.

[restorefreedom]

94. you are absolutely correct 1000%. bernie is NOT obama

he is a true progressive through and through, not a middle of the roader who will cave on the tpp as president obama has done.

thank GOODNESS bernie is NOT obama!

[MADem]

100. You can't have it both ways, no matter how hard you try.

No super delegates = No nomination.

[restorefreedom]

103. i agree. but as the votes go, so will the supers

i believe they will ultimately vote to respect the will of the voters, whatever that turns out to be.

and i can live with that. as long as we the people get to decide.

[MADem]

107. I guess you didn't read that link too well.

You might want to peruse it one more time. Since Sanders is not Obama, and all...

[restorefreedom]

110. i read it just fine, i just disagree with it

IF the popular votes come in for sanders, lets just imagine for a moment, and the supers decide "nope--we want hillary", do you really think such an obvious theft would even make it off the convention floor?

and even if it did, it would absolutely guarantee a republican sweep in the ge.

i doubt that that would look good for the party elites. if sanders were to win big in the popular vote, the smart thing for the supers to do would be to support the candidate for the good of the ge. unless, of course, they would rather see a repub instead of sanders....

[MADem]

111. It's not going to happen in the way you describe.

A one-note complainer with absolutely no pivotability is just not going to capture the excitement of the American electorate.

Sanders appeals to people who like to scold and complain, not to people who actually want to fix things. He means well, but his tactics just do not inspire. even as they incite--in a negative way, frankly.

And he plainly doesn't have the foreign policy chops to do business on the international stage. Hell, he can't even handle a little press conference in Baltimore. How's he going to handle Putin?

[restorefreedom]

116. i am not at all worried about bernie and putin

or about his foreign policy abilities. the press conference was a farce and a way for the m$m to think they are controlling the narrative. pure BS from corporate shills. no surprise.

as to the election, if he doesn't capture the excitement of the American electorate, then people won't vote for him, and the biggest vote getter will be the nom.

as i said, the problems solve themselves. ain't it grand?

[MADem]

117. You shouldn't be--the closest Sanders will get to Putin is if he's invited to attend a state dinner

at the Clinton White House.

If he takes the Secretary of Labor gig, he'll probably get an invitation.

[restorefreedom]

121. lol!! you just made my afternoon, MADem!

so, see? we 're both confident and happy.

c'mon, sing it with me....


https://m.

[MADem]

122. This is better still....

[restorefreedom]

123. love it! i think every thread

should have a musical interlude. might cut down on the anger and lower our collective blood pressure.

have a good one!

[Ed Suspicious]

119. Obama - The Preeminent Politician

There can be only one.

[MADem]

120. Most Democrats agree he has been a fantastic POTUS.

Republicans have another view.

[Ed Suspicious]

126. He's ok. He's no Bernie when it comes to lining up with what I believe in.

[MADem]

128. I think the majority of Democrats like him just fine. I think he'll go down in history

as one of the century's game-changers.

[DFW]

211. This Democrat likes him just fine, anyway

Under the phalanx assault of the right since day one, he never gave up, and actually got things done--still is, for that matter. What history says has yet to be written, but I'm betting it won't be unfavorable.

AND--I'll be seeing him at the White House this afternoon

[dflprincess]

151. The "supers" will do whatever they think is in their own best interests

including ignoring the will of the delegates.

Super delegates were created to protect the status quo and keep someone the party hacks and their owners perceive as "too liberal" or populist from getting the nomination.

[MADem]

155. You maybe don't understand that the "supers" don't HAVE to "follow" anyone?

The only "will" they have to follow is their OWN. They are separate from the state delegates--a different pack of people entirely. "The delegates" do not impose their "will" on the supers. That's not how it works.

We were up shit's creek without a paddle when the DNC came up with those rules--which were SORELY needed because our party was falling on its ass. It wasn't a question of "status quo" -- it was a question of being remotely competitive on the national stage.

Perhaps you don't remember just how horribly we lost an election several decades back? Does the phrase "Don't Blame Me, I'm From Massachusetts" ring a bell?

There's nothing glorious about putting up candidates that are so shittily received that they only win ONE lousy state.

The idea is to WIN elections, not fall on one's sword on principle. You can't make change if you don't WIN.

The DNC has arranged it so that the PARTY gets a say in which horse they back. The voters have a say, too, but they aren't the only 'deciders' here.

The super delegates follow nothing save their own hearts.

And they aren't required to do anything but that, either.

[dflprincess]

158. Yes, I do remember why they came up with the "super" delegates

and it's just as you said - to protect the party from the delegates choosing a candidate the hacks don't want.

No they aren't required to do anything, but they know where their interests lie - you can call that "voting their hearts" but most of them are only interested in what protects them and keeping their campaign contributions flowing. They're not all that concerned with what's best the rank and file, we're just expected to fall in line because where else do we have to go? Never mind that it's the rank and file that really makes up the party.

[MADem]

159. No--not "the hacks." THE VOTERS.

A small "activist cadre" took over the party during that period, and their volume exceeded their numerical numbers. They had way more influence than they deserved. The voters did not follow them--they DEFECTED.

That is why we LOST so badly.

The party is made up of voters. Not a small crew of big mouths, shouting and sucking up all the air in the room. A lot of these voters don't do much save donate a bit every now and again, and vote. That doesn't mean they don't care. If the party wants their votes, they have to put up candidates that the VOTERS--not a few loudmouthed and angry types who haven't worked for the party to this point, and do nothing but criticize it even now--want. That's what they figured out way back then...it's not about "hacks." It's about voters.

The GOP does it, too. They haven't put the hammer down on their special delegates, yet--but I have a feeling that's going to change real soon. This Gaggle of Goofballs they've got running, none of whom will "pull a Walker" and put the party first, are almost guaranteeing systemic change at the HQ level for those guys.

People who "hate" the Democratic Party--and they are around-- can spend less time fighting us and go somewhere that suits them better, if they'd like. It's all very well to push/prod/challenge, but when it's done, it's DONE. Either get with the program or take your business elsewhere.

[NCTraveler]

49. Absolutley love the Sanders quote in the image. nt.

[senz]

53. TRUTH: "Not a single vote has been cast. This fight is not over, it's just begun"

"and this is the fight of our lifetime."

It IS. Now is the time to dig in.

Those who say the nomination is already decided will do anything they can to dishearten us, because that's who they are, what they represent, and how they operate. They have defined themselves.

Plow right through them to a livable future for the American people, our children and grandchildren, and this beautiful earth.

Onward, Bernistas!

[Nitram]

54. Hillary Clinton hasn't won anything yet? Ha!

She has won the snide and contemptuous attention of thousands of Bernie supporters. That's not nothing. They follow her every move with rapt attention, interpreting every tea leaf at the bottom of the cup as proof of their darkest anxieties about the Corporatist Menace and media conspiracies.

[Helen Borg]

59. As I always say: Hillary is toast!

[MineralMan]

64. Oh, but she will. She will.

Don't believe me? Just watch.

[AtomicKitten]

65. Gosh, I hope pesky voting beforehand doesn't inconvenience the planned coronation. <sarcasm>

k&r

[turbinetree]

68. I want to see...............................

Ms. Clinton walking and talking at a picket line ................................... I want to see the walk and the talk.

I am going to ask this board do you have any videos of Clinton walking and talking at a picket line----------------------that is a fair question to ask..................................

http://www.cinma2x.com/bernie-sanders-picket-line-stop-takes-on-hillary-clinton-can-a-socialist-win-in-2016/


Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[NurseJackie]

70. But she's well on her way!

[senz]

79. Just like 2008!

[NurseJackie]

105. LOL!!

[modestybl]

74. Corporate money and institutional backing are tremendous advantages...

... but that will mean that HRC will put the interests of the powerful people that brought her over the rest of us.

I'm sure that many HRC supporters are excited at the prospect of a female POTUS (though that won't make any difference for women in general), and that she is preferable to any Repub Freak Show contestant.

However, I feel she may be worse. She will more competently promote corporate interests, with a rainbow coalition, rather than the usual old white guys. She may succeed in "reforming" Medicare and SS where a Repub would face a united Dem front.

In short, she will never win my vote short of picking Sanders or Warren as VP.

She has demonstrated to me over the last 15 years what she is really about.

[brooklynite]

78. I agree: Hillary Clinton hasn't won anything yet...

...that's why she's campaigning like every vote is important

...that's why she's crafted policies on economic inequality, national security, criminal justice, immigration, health care, etc. to meed the needs of the broad range of Democratic voters

...that's why her campaign team has studied the mistakes of the 2008 campaign and are targeting the Caucus States they lost last time


...and THAT's why, when real voters are asked who they plan to vote for, she's ahead in 49 States and virtually tied in New Hampshire.

[chervilant]

81. Here is why I am voting for Bernie:

From Bernie, on his Rachel Maddow appearance:

Let me give you my perspective on what’s going on. It’s a different perspective I think than other people have. I think you have an enormous amount of fear and uncertainty in this country. And it’s not just from San Bernardino or from Paris.

I think what you’ve got are millions of people who are in trouble today. They really are. They’re confused. They’re working longer hours for lower wages. They’re seeing productivity going up but their kids are worse off economically than they are. They’re looking at a campaign finance system in politics and they see corruption, big money buying elections. Nobody in Congress is listening to them.

They’re out there alone. Who’s listening to them? They’re in trouble. They need help.

What’s the cause of their problems? Is it Wall Street? Is it big money? Is it massive inequality in terms of wealth and income? Well, no one talks about that really.

And then have you demagogues like Trump come along. He says I know what the cause is. Remember, a few months ago, the cause was that Mexicans who are coming to this country, well, they were criminals or rapists. Today, it is Muslims.

You all remember how many years ago, we were younger, it was uppity women who are trying to take our jobs as men. It was those gay people who wanted to make everybody homosexual in our school system. It was Blacks wanted to take white jobs.

That’s what demagoguery is about. It is to obfuscate the real problems facing our society and find somebody you can blame and rally the American people. That’s what it is. It’s the immigrants or the Muslims. We’ve got to take them on.

And I think my main concern is because I worry about this. It’s real. You see the people standing up there and applauding. How do we get to those people? How do we say, why do you keep voting for people who are giving more tax breaks to billionaires, who are going to send your jobs abroad, not going to let you form a union, not going to allow your kids to go to college? Why do you keep voting for these guys?

Because they pick out a victim whether it’s Blacks, whether it’s gays, whether it’s women, whether it’s immigrants, whether it’s Muslims who we can pick on.

And what our job is and I think hard about these things, how do we get those people to begin standing up for their own interests.

And I will tell you is the antidote to Trump is a very strong progressive agenda that says, yes, I know you’re angry. And you know what? You should be angry because you’re working longer hours for low wages. You have a right to be bitter, and you have a right to be that.

Don’t take it out on the Muslims. Don’t take it out on Latinos. Try to help us work together to create a country where your kids and you can have a decent standard of living. It has to be a bold and radical agenda. No more same old same old.

I don’t mean to be political here. People are hurting and angry, and they want something to be able to stand up and fight for. That’s what I believe the antidote is to Trumpism.

I find it interesting how hard Hillary supporters work to tout her "super-delegate support" and her "overwhelming lead in the polls," without acknowledging that this irrefutably demonstrates the fact that she's the Democratic Darling of the corporate megalomaniacs. And, as long as the corporate megalomaniacs can assure they control both the candidates in this race, they'll consider their money well spent.

[senz]

129. Beautiful post, chervilant.

You say it so well, and I really appreciate the long Bernie quote. Cannot even imagine any other candidate speaking on such a real level.

[Segami]

142. +1000

Thank you for posting this..........

[Art_from_Ark]

144. A lot of people say he channels FDR

I think he's more like Bobby Kennedy.

Either way, he represents what the Democratic Party *should* represent.

[chervilant]

145. Well, I have to agree

that he represents what the Democratic Party should represent. However, here in northwest Arkansas, people are pulling out all the stops for Trump. Scares the peewaddin' out of me.

[Art_from_Ark]

146. Yeah, NW Arkansas has become so blood-red, it's scary

I remember back in 1970 in Benton County when my teacher asked who our parents were voting for for governor, Winthrop Rockefeller (R), or Dale Bumpers (D). All but two out of 30 or so kids raised their hands for Bumpers, who won the county handily. Ten years later, though, the county voted overwhelmingly for Christian Coalition candidate Frank White. And the county has been nearly blood-red since.

[chervilant]

147. Sad, isn't it?

In Harrison, a mechanic, who advertises himself as a "devout christian," put up a marquee that said "Trump says out loud what your (sic) thinking! Trump, 2016"

Sigh...

Personally, I find Tom Cotton grossly offensive, so I am not surprised that people I've known for decades are all hot for Trump...

I think it was a major coup when the Republicans linked themselves with "devout" religiosity.

[Art_from_Ark]

149. I don't think I could live in the Harrison area

With my physical features, I could fit in there, but the political atmosphere there would probably drive me nuts.

[BlueStateLib]

208. Ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country

And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

From John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961

[Hekate]

95. NO ONE has won ANYTHING yet

Ooops, that stuck caps lock key is contagious.

[senz]

127. Ha ha ha

pettiness is just so cute.

[Cha]

202. Oooops.. you're irritating them with your reality check. Let's hope that damn CAp LOck is not

"contagious".

[Hekate]

203. I figured I'd participate in the SPIRIT of collegiality and SUCH....

Why that should irritate, I can't say.

[Rebkeh]

115. Exactly

We are still in the speculation phase, pay no mind to the handlers. We know better, we all should know better.

[Jester Messiah]

133. She certainly hasn't won my vote.

And she'd better get busy if she thinks she's gonna.

[PatrickforO]

135. It is better to show up than to give up!

Great words to live by.

[Sancho]

139. Hillary won a Grammy!!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/hillary-clinton-grammys_n_4661762.html

Hillary Clinton Won A Grammy Award In 1997

The 56th annual Grammy Awards take place on Sunday, but let's remember the 39th annual Grammy Awards, since that's when Hillary Rodham Clinton was awarded top honors in the Best Spoken Word or Non-musical Album category by The Recording Academy. Clinton won for the audio version of "It Takes A Village," her 1996 book which detailed how the then-first lady hoped to "to help make our society into the kind of village that enables children to become smart, able, resilient adults."

[billhicks76]

143. Same Crap They Pulled in 2012

If she wins she will be our Mitt Romney.

[SoapBox]

150. Hill is in for one, big, fat surprise when voting begins.

If she thinks that $2.5 billion will win her the election...she's in for that surprise.

[mahina]

153. WORD

[Fed up in NJ]

157. Do they sit there hitting refresh all friggin day?

Every time I open anything posted by a supporter of Bernie Sanders, the first post is from some Clinton supporter. It's like they sit there refreshing the page all day waiting to cheer about some bullshit about some union bosses supporting Clinton and/or bash Sanders. As a NYC Union member I can tell you that upper management doesn't give a damn about what their members want. I belong to LIUNA and we weren't asked? My union belongs to the AFL-CIO and we weren't asked. Hell we were supposed to get a $2.00 raise this past July 1st and the Union Management decided to give the raise back to the Cement League, a collective of unionized contractors. The upper management may claim they support Clinton but, having spoken to many members at our monthly meetings, well over 90% back Sanders. They all know Clinton is in the 1%'s pocket!

[artislife]

184. They have an app....nt

[Major Hogwash]

204. Maybe not, but . . .

. . . she's Miss January of the 2016 Weathervane Calendar.

On the front of the page of the calendar she's on, she's looking this way, but turn the page over, and she's looking the other way.

[raouldukelives]

214. K&R "Remember who owns the MSM"

"Remember who the corporations are behind"

I know who owns the MSM. I know who the owners are behind the corporations.

The same people who can't be bothered to work for equality and democracy for all people, of all colors, because they are too busy working to fund those who daily deny it.

There are people who work to make things to get better and there are people who invest in assuring it gets worse.

Now and then, when they are finished exploiting the poorest of our globe, some of them even stoop to voting for a Democrat.

How magnanimous of them.