Bernie Sanders Has Stuck To The Same Message For 40 Years. hillary?...not so much.

[Bubzer]

There are many ways to describe Bernie Sanders: a democratic socialist, an independent senator, a Democratic presidential candidate. But the best adjective may just be: consistent. No matter how you label it, Sanders' worldview is locked in.

Over 40 years, Sanders has built his political career on a very focused message about what he calls a "rigged economy."

Now he's running for president, which typically means reacting to what's happening in the world, in real time. But even in the wake of terrorist attacks by ISIS, Sanders' primary focus is still where it's been since the 1970s.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/11/459231940/bernie-sanders-has-stuck-to-the-same-message-for-40-years


By contrast, hillary is a leaf flitting around in the wind.

[LexVegas]

1. On guns? nt

[UglyGreed]

8. Hillary Clinton on the eve of the PA primary 2008

Q: Do you support the DC handgun ban?
A: I want to give local communities the authority over determining how to keep their citizens safe. This case you’re referring to is before the Supreme Court.
Q: But what do you support?
A: I support sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.
Q: Is the DC ban consistent with that right?
A: I think a total ban, with no exceptions under any circumstances, might be found by the court not to be. But DC or anybody else [should be able to] come up with sensible regulations to protect their people.
Q: But do you still favor licensing and registration of handguns?
A: What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

[Bubzer]

11. +1

[bvar22]

21. Hillary IS correct on this position:

Hillary--- "What I favor is what works in NY. We have one set of rules in NYC and a totally different set of rules in the rest of the state. What might work in NYC is certainly not going to work in Montana. So, for the federal government to be having any kind of blanket rules that they’re going to try to impose, I think doesn’t make sense."

Bernie's policies on guns is the same...
So is Obama's.
Different rules for different areas.

*Close the Gun Show Loopholes.

*Improve Background Checks.

*I favor a 30 day waiting period for ANY firearm.

*Nobody needs 30 or 20 round magazine.
Mine carry 3 - 5 rounds...if I can't take care of the problem
with those, I shouldn't be carrying a gun.


I see no good reason for anyone living in a city or suburbs to own a gun.
Someone living in near wilderness, far from Police protection or Animal Control, with stock, family, and pets to protect DO need to own some guns. It would be dumb (and dangerous) NOT to have this resource and the ability to use it safely and proficiently.

There are probably more guns per person in the area I live than any other place I have ever known.
Oddly, in the 9 years I have lived here there has not been a gun "accident" or gun homicide.


Bernie has been attacked relentlessly for his position on "guns", which is the same as Hillary's and Obama's position on guns. This is NOT a one size fits all issue.

[UglyGreed]

22. Yup but Bernie was

dragged through the mud for his stance

[bvar22]

23. Yeah. I know.

One can try to calmly and rationally explain "issues" and "policies" to them, but it all bounces off of the bubble.

[lewebley3]

45. Its smart to change position with new information:Times change

People should change, but Hillary values of serving
the country the best she can never changes.

Go Hillary

[Bubzer]

51. Here you go, I fixed it for you.

People should change, but hillary's values of serving herself the best she can, never changes.

Go Bernie!

[lewebley3]

65. If Hillary was serving herself: She would not be a Dem

Hillary is the right leader at the right time which is now:
Sanders has no experience leading a party or fighting
with the GOP.

[Bubzer]

66. A label doesn't make you a dem. Actions do... and on that scale, she's a conservative.

[lewebley3]

87. Hillary's Dem loyalty over 30 years: cannot be called a label: her work is on the table

[Bubzer]

88. You're right... her work is on the table. Her work in supporting the TPP, and working with banks.

And with the Prison industry, and with being a flip-flopper. Her loyalty is clear... it's to herself.

[lewebley3]

89. Obama is for TTP: Hillary is not: The Unions are backing Hillary:

[AgingAmerican]

97. She called it the 'Gold standard'

[Bubzer]

102. And voiced support for it 45 times!

I used to hear that one screw-up can erase a whole bunch of atta-boys... well, this is a whole mess of screw-ups...and it's not about to be erased by one atta-boy (or girl, as the case may be).

[lewebley3]

106. Maybe it was when she looked at it: TTP has been worked on for years

[Phlem]

101. oy vey

The green is strong in this one.

[AlbertCat]

67. Hillary values of serving the country the best she can never changes.

Thats the problem....

She's wishy-washy. She goes wherever is the most popular at the time. Where's the grounding?

There's no "stuck in one place" in Sanders' consistency either. It's not conservative "lets just do what we've always done." There's core consistency...a constant value that is applied to the current zeitgeist.


I've heard about him and known what he stands for for years. I was very pleased to see him run. If he had the exposure of a Clinton™ -like brand.... But he's not a celeb.

[lewebley3]

69. Hillary's not wishy washy about being a Dem:

Hillary is grounded in the Democratic party: "team player" and fighter,
she will sign almost anything the Dem's can get the votes for.

Sanders is not a democrat: he has sat until he was 73 talking
and not accomplishing anything of leadership for the US.
He has never ran a national campaign: the American people
will not vote for socialist: and I for one don't want party money spent
trying shoving Sanders down their throats: Hillary is already
known trusted respected, experiences, and qualified:

Hillary is boon, a win fall to Dem party:


Hillary and other Dem's have been carrying his water: He
is too little to late.

[AlbertCat]

77. will sign almost anything the Dem's can get the votes for.

Whether it's what the voters want or not.

Labels are easy to apply. Take, "Operation Enduring Freedom". Well I guess we are still enduring it.

[lewebley3]

86. If Dem's have the votes: they have popular support for whatever they are doing

[stevenleser]

99. LMAO!

Well played! The twisting and writhing in response to you tells everyone all they need to know.

[liberal N proud]

2. Much could be said about sticking to the same message

He is outdated is one.
He is a dinosaur
He is stubborn/bullheaded might also be a term used
There are others

[Bubzer]

5. He's right on the issues, is another...and is the best of the bunch.

His judgment is superb, is yet another.

hillary can't say the same.

[lewebley3]

48. Sanders can take positions for a long time: He is rep only

600,000.00 mostly white liberals who all think a like,
the nation is not like that. The President has rep and
work with all Americas.

[George II]

18. Probably still uses a Texas Instruments calculator.

[Bubzer]

34. TI is STILL the standard for high-end graphing calculators.

You're not exactly adding value to the conversation here.

[George II]

46. I think I am, so that's a matter of opinion. Thank you.

[liberal N proud]

44. I am thinking sliderule

[Art_from_Ark]

98. This is the guy who is making good use of the latest Internet applications and social media

Not exactly a "slide rule" type of guy.

[Bubzer]

103. I'm good with the slide rule analogy.

[Art_from_Ark]

107. Robert Goddard might have used a slide rule

But since its beginning in 1958, NASA has used computers

?1340207789

[daybranch]

20. sticking with his values is another

But then those that always support compromise, have no idea the sides must have different masters or you only get what the oligarchy gives you whether you call it democrat or republican, it is not a compromise , just some crumbs from the rich man's table to pacify the barking dogs he owns.

[JDPriestly]

64. His stances reflect his values. Good values do not need to be changed.

He is for the middle class and economic measures that help the middle class -- me, my family, other Social Security recipients, other people who work in the fields I worked in -- he has been and will always be for us.

All of his views arise from his strong support for the poor and the middle class.

AND THAT IS AS IT SHOULD BE.

And that is why he, unlike so many other politicians, because his thought process is to remind himself of his values and then based on those values takes a position on issues, is so constant, so consistent in his stands.

I like Bernie's way of thinking.

It is not rigid. If a situation arises that requires Bernie to apply his values to new facts and come up with a change in his policy, then he changes.

In contrast, Hillary thinks what is politically expedient, what is the popular view of the moment, and decides what stance to take on an issue based on that sort of political consideration. It's shallow and pretty pitiful.

I can vote for all the other Democrats on my ballot, but if Hillary is in the top spot, I do not trust her and will not vote for her.

It's not her personally. It's the way she thinks and the process she uses to make decisions. It is not based on fundamental human values. It is based on superficial considerations like what other people will think.

We have had too many Hillary's in the White House since FDR. Too many. We need a president who makes decisions based on principles. Obama does that to a greater extent than most of the other presidents we have had since FDR, but he did not have the experience when he first entered the White House to staunchly struggle against the unprincipled people who surrounded him.

Bernie has the experience and the stubbornness to carry through. It would be great to have a president who was willing to lose an argument rather than betray his principles. Doesn't mean that Bernie won't compromise. He did compromise in the Senate and House and as mayor many, many times. It means that he will know the difference between compromising to get something done and just giving up his principles.

I hope that people can understand what I am saying.

[liberal N proud]

68. The world evolves, we must also evolve

[JDPriestly]

70. Basic values like honesty, fairness, sharing, families, the basic values we all share

do not change.

Bernie was for LGBT rights from the beginning.

He supported the rights of women from the beginning.

He doesn't need to change his views on those topics because he always based his views on the value of equality of all humans, of the importance of family and fairness.

The world evolves, but the basic values and attitudes on basic issues do not change with time.

Slavery was always wrong even when our Supreme Court ruled that slaves were property. Slavery was simply wrong.

Discrimination against people based on their gender or sexual orientation is wrong. It is eternally wrong in a society that holds the value of equality.

There are things that change, and there are things that do not change. If you have the basic value that all men are created equal, then it is not so difficult to decide what to do about discrimination. If you believe that we should all have free speech, it is not difficult to decide that an amendment that would make flag-burning a crime should be voted against.

Hillary does not think of her values and then decide where to stand on an issue. I don't know what her process is or even if she has one. Bernie has a process. It is very obvious when you look at his views on topics.

Take the TPP. Bernie believes that employers should pay a living wage in a country as prosperous as ours has been. The TPP allows for the importation of goods made by people who work for wages that are not livable in foreign countries where we cannot see the terrible poverty and the terrible wealth.

Our trade agreements work to lower wages in the US. Since he wants to see wages raised to a livable level, Bernie opposes our current trade policy.

Hillary does not even talk about a livable wage. She just wants to tweak the minimum wage, make it a tiny bit higher, not really raise it to a livable rate and then import products made by cheap labor overseas.

Hillary does not have the value of a living wage. It's quite clear. It is not something that determines her views on world trade. It is a kind of afterthought for her. Oh, yes, we should include raising the minimum wage in our policy platform. But let's not raise it too much because my donors who pay those wages won't want to give me so much money if I stand up for working families.

That's as close as I can come to what Hillary's thought processes are about her policy stances.

Feel the Bern!

[KMOD]

3. Yes, we all know his message by heart now.

It's too narrow, and unrealistic.

[Robbins]

4. narrow my butt

he is on right side and consenst.she isn't.

[Bubzer]

7. Exactly! +1

[randys1]

27. Bernie is a tireless advocate and he does focus on one thing. If he cant be prez, he would

make a great cabinet secty for a new cabinet

"Jobs, Jobs, Jobs"

[KMOD]

63. He is a powerful voice in the Senate,

If he's not the nominee, I would prefer he stay there.

The republicans need to be chewed out often, and he's great at it.

[upaloopa]

6. Any of us old enough most likely has been

complaining for 40 years about what has been going on in the country.

That doesn't make us experts on what to do about it.

Hillary has real time experience dealing with Bernie's list of domestic issues as well as foreign policy issues which he hasn't had experience in.

Bernie might be compared to a broken record which is stuck repeating the same lines over and over.

The world and people evolve over 40 years.

[Bubzer]

10. Evolve is just another word for political expediency and lack of good judgment.

You're right...Hillary has loads of experience...in changing her position and adopting positions for political expediency.

Perhaps you're right. Bernie's message might be a broken record... but the message is right. Repeating what is right is far better than being wrong on the issues and changing positions for political expediency.

[upaloopa]

13. No it is not.

It was a word used last night on "The Last Word" by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. His useage was just the same as mine and as every other person but you.

You can't change the meaning of words to suit your world view. If you do you are not communicating anything.

[Bubzer]

15. Sorry to disapoint, but it means exactly what I said it means in this context.

her so-called evolution has demonstrably been for political expediency and is a result of poor judgment.
Kareem doesn't have the ability to magically change the context of the situation.

Lastly, I'll use your projection against you:
You can't change the meaning of words to suit your world view. If you do you are not communicating anything.

[upaloopa]

16. Your not disappointing me at all

I don't put much stock in what Bernie supporters have to say.

I have never in my life seen a group of people who feel they are on some moral high ground all the while distorting and lying about other people.

[Bubzer]

17. Well, Bernie does have the moral high ground, particularly in contrast to hillary.

No "distorting and lying about other people" is necessary here. All a Bernie Sanders supporter has to do is point to hillary's well documented voting records and actions to point out why she's simply not trustworthy.

No amount of evolving will wash away her long history of flip-flopping for political expediency.

[upaloopa]

29. Like I said I don't put any stock in what Bernie supporters

say.
It is just our place to wait out the next few months and put up with the attacks until Hillary is nominated.

You can't begin to know how good that is going to feel

[Bubzer]

38. It may be YOUR place to wait. I'll determine what my place is.

At the moment, it's to advocate for Bernie and expose lies when presented by hillary supporters, or other groups out there.
In the meantime, feel free to refute the OP, or continue to be silent on it. Either way, take your crystal-ball-guessing to someone who cares.

[daybranch]

19. We Bernie people do feel we are on high ground

compared to the established oligarchy and one of the oligarchy.s favorite investments.
We also have watched the economic decay of our country and we want better for ourselves and our children. We have been pushing the democratic party to the left because we believe it is best. Hillary while proclaiming once about her progressive credentials figured out that story wouldn't sell when you looked at her history and her previous stands on issues. Now as she moves to the left a bit, appearing to serve the oligarchy, and try to win the nomination in a highly rigged contest, she is labeling herself a moderate in an attempt to make us believe she can work across the aisle. Well I cannot dispute that she can work with republicans and it appears she and Trump are working hard together to create fear and Nationalism, which many feel supports a strong leader on foreign policy. It seems the republicans are just trying to drown out the differences between the 2 leading challengers in the democratic primary. Hillary too seems intent on concentrating on issues not really that important such as Bernie's belief that states and cities may be best implementing the gun restriction they feel best meets their needs, even though she said as much 2008. To many of us, Hillary's claims of differences are mostly made up or inconsequential, and on those issues such as economic inequality, taxation of the rich etc. which are very important to everyone Hillary tries to avoid discussion and certainly avoids debate. To a Bernie supporter, Bernie speaks frankly and tells us what we already know and then tells us what we must do about it. When we hear Hillary , we see a well groomed candidate feeding us the same parsed, high sounding but non-binding dialog as most politicians. We are not against Hillary, just the people she apparently will work for.
The most uttered reason we hear to vote for Hillary if she is nominated is that she is better than the republicans. We Bernie supporters will take over our party and return it to its rightful role of standing with the people, and many of us as proud democrats may have to decide which is the best way to do this. We progressives have been misused into supporting less than progressive candidates because of fear of republican presidents for a long time. The question is now, is it better to support losing , if we can start restoring the rightful mission of our party and a return to democracy. Maybe when Hillary loses, her fans will vilify us for not working harder or not voting for her, but when progressives lost, our party changed for the worse, maybe if an establishment third way semi-moderate loses, we can start to set things right. Yes we Bernie people look down on Hillary supporters as either unaware, or just afraid.

[upaloopa]

30. Please go tell somebody who cares

[Juicy_Bellows]

61. Well said.

Your last sentence, I would just add - 'don't care' to the unaware or just afraid. I've noticed a lot of her supporters are quite well to do here on DU and are just fine with the current economic picture.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. +1 n/t

[Scootaloo]

76. Every time Clinton has "evolved," her position moves towards one already held by Sanders

[kath]

9. Someone please post the H Weathervane gif - it is so totally appropriate for her.

[cosmicone]

12. If you believe in evolution

Species that adapt to the changing world survive. Species that insist on remaining the same go extinct.

Adaptability in the face of a changing world and/or changing circumstances is a POSITIVE attribute.

[Bubzer]

25. You dont quite understand how evolution works. Many creatures evolve...Most of them don't survive.

Many successful species are considered ancient and haven't evolved due to lack of need. Examples include;
Goblin Sharks - 118 million years old
Martialis Heureka Ants - 120 million years old
Frilled Sharks – 150 million years old
Horseshoe Shrimp – 200 million years old
Tadpole Shrimp - 220 million years old
Sturgeon – 200 million years old
Coelacanath – 360 million years old
Horseshoe Crab – 445 million years old
Nautili – 500 million years old (one of my favorites)
Lamprey - 360 million years old
Jelly Fish – 550 Million years old
Sea Sponges - 760 million years old
Cyanobacteria – 2.8 billion years old

Conversely, here are some examples where evolution either failed these poor creatures, or simply didn't do them any favors;

Narrow-headed soft shell turtle
Blob Fish
Red-Lipped Batfish
Penis Snake (Yes it's a real animal)
Pigbutt Worm, Chaetopterus pugaporcinus
Angora Rabbit
Ocean Sunfish
Sphynx Cat
Piglet Squid
African Shoebill
Desert Rain Frog
Watusi Bull
Star-nosed mole
The Pig-Deer
Stargazer
Hairy Frogfish
Gum Leaf Skeletoniser Caterpillar
Maned Wolf
Short-Horned Lizard
Fawn Leaf-Nosed Bat
Giant Isopod (which also qualifies as an ancient species)
Egyptian Jerboa
Flapjack Octopus (These little guys are adorable!!!)
Gharial
Maribou Stork
Sea-pig sea cucumber
Vervet monkey
Asian sheepshead wrasse
Gunnison sage-grouse
Wolffish
Naked Mole Rat
and plenty more.

The point is this; evolving is not always a good thing... it tends to end poorly.

[cosmicone]

31. Thanks for helping me understand evolution

My education is now complete

[Bubzer]

39. You're welcome!

[comradebillyboy]

14. I am 68 years old now and

my views have changed on a whole array of issues over the last 40 years. By your standards I must be an unprincipled flip-flopper. On the other hand some of us think that flexibility and the willingness to change with the times are virtues. Unwavering Purity is really not much of a virtue in my book.

[frylock]

26. So what issues would you suggest Sen Sanders needs to change on?

[Bubzer]

40. Oh, so you're running for office? No? Then I guess you dont need to be held to that higher standard.

I know, its crazy to expect our leaders to live up to a higher bar, right?

[comradebillyboy]

83. I think it's good for leaders to be adaptable, not

rigid ideological purists. Compromise and adaptability are virtues in my book. But I'm certainly not pure enough for many at DU.

[Bubzer]

85. Oh I like a willingness to compromise and be adaptable. If I didn't, I wouldn't like Bernie.

We're not talking compromise and adaptability though... flip-flopping...that is, changing ones views for political expediency is never a positive trait.

[erronis]

49. Me too, 68yo. And yes I also "triangulate" to find the optimal solution

However I am not the captain of a huge ship of state that needs to plot a course over a long period of time. And given my history and training I should never be allowed to adjust the rudder on anything longer than 12 feet.

I do think that politicians evolve and need to adjust their understanding of the world. I just worry about those that have twitchy hands at the rudder.

[MisterP]

82. 2015-2012 = 3

[comradebillyboy]

104. I'm very impressed with your ability to do

simple subtraction. Did you need a calculator?

[MisterP]

105. 3 is less than 40

(seriously, it took you four days to come up with that zinger?)

[randys1]

24. Aww SHIT, I was gonna do a thread about this Bernie story but WITHOUT THE SNARK

at Hillary.

Too bad.

[Bubzer]

41. I regret nothing. The snark is well deserved.

[Thinkingabout]

28. Hillary is fast on her feet, Sanders not so much, sort of stuck in cement and unable to move from

the last forty years. We are not in the 70's or 80's anymore, it is a new century. We need a president who can react to the changes of our world in the last forty years.

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. But mostly, we need a president that can work with others ...

to get things done.

Now, I'm pretty sure there will be things that HRC will do that I will disagree with (just like every other president), and there will be area I would like to see pushed further (just like with every other president) ... but I would rather get some of what I want; than, cast a vote that will likely ensure, I get none of what I want.

[Thinkingabout]

37. Very well said, thanks.

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. As I have said, before ...

Every G/E vote, and most of my primary, votes are defensive votes.

My G/E vote is to defend against any republican getting into office ... and so are some of my primary votes.

[merrily]

57. No clue where your assumptions come from.

Bernie has gotten substantive bills and substantive amendments that he wrote or co-wrote passed into law by working with others. Indeed, his veterans bill with McCain became a case study in working across the aisle. Hillary's Senate record shows only ceremonial bills she wrote becoming law, like re-naming a post office or observing the anniversary of the American Revolution. Then again, given she wrote bills like an unconstitutional flag desecration bill, maybe it's just as well she could not get her stuff passed.

It's also hard to see how she would be able to work with Republicans after calling them the enemy of which she is most proud and being blatantly disrespectful during hearings, as immortalized in the favorite gif sig line of many DU Hillary supporters--and they will be holding the House for quite some time.

I mean, I get that you support her and nothing will change that, but, come on.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251605502

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251715777

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027637

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251697992

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12779409

[1StrongBlackMan]

74. I have told you, numerous times, I don't support HRC ...

But will if she is the Democratic nominee. Just as I will support Bernie should he earn/win the Democratic primary. What is paramount for me is that no republican approach that Office of the President.

[merrily]

75. Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with your post 35 or my reply 57 to your 35.

That kind of switch speaks volumes.

BTW, I don't remember your telling you were not for Hillary, even once. Not that it matters. My reply was to your assumption that she'll get things done.

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. You have a short and selective memory.

[merrily]

84. Au contraire, but it's your replies to me that have been very selective.

My memory was not the point of this subthread.

[okasha]

90. I remember 1Strong! s statements to that effect quite clearly.

I also remember clearly that he has identified himself many times as an O'Malley supporter.

[merrily]

91. Really? You remember his telling me that many times? Because that is his claim, telling me

many times. BTW, did you see that his post 35 and my reply to it had to do with President Hillary getting things done and nothing to do with who he supported or how many times he supposedly told me who he supported? That was the real point of my post 75, I could care less who he supports and even less than that how many times he thinks he told me.

[okasha]

92. Really, I remember.

Whether he was directly addressing you or not, I have no idea. I read his posts when I run across them because he generally has something interesting and sensible to say. Yours, on the other hand, I usually let scroll by.

[merrily]

94. So, you don't remember his telling me once, let alone many times. I didn't think so.

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I can't recall a single post of yours, and don't know who you are. But I wish you had scrolled by my post to 1StrongBlackMan. You've wasted your time and mine for nothing and you were rude gratuitously. You also seem to have a case of repeating yourself to get the last word. It's yours. Enjoy.

[ibegurpard]

33. nonsense

Hillary has been very consistent. It's all about Hillary.

[99Forever]

42. /\/\This/\/\

Bravo!

[Bubzer]

43. Sure. Consistently a flip-flopper.

[TIME TO PANIC]

53. Ding Ding Ding!

We have a winner!

[Live and Learn]

36. K&R nt

[LannyDeVaney]

50. Thank goodness everyone doesn't stick to the same message for 40 years ...

otherwise we wouldn't really fit the description of a "progressive".

She'll make a great President. I can't wait.

[Bubzer]

55. Thank goodness SOMONE sticks to the same message for 40 years, when its right!

Better that than to be a Johnny-come-lately on being correct on an issue.

[optimist.spencer]

52. I really hope she doesn't get elected.

Bernie 2016!

[HassleCat]

54. Bernie is so last Tuesday

He seems unable to evolve to keep pace with the times. He fails to recognize the need to adopt Republican policies and positions to be a true Democrat, or at least a Democrat who follows the latest trends. Smart Democrats recognize we need to be just like Republicans, but with more humane rhetoric, and less extreme positions. If the Republicans want the death penalty to execute many people, we will support capital punishment in more limited circumstances. If they want to carpet bomb Syria, we will develop a "throw rug" bombing policy. This is the kind of bold leadership that made us the minority part at every level of government. Don't vote for Bernie, or we will lose this advantage.

[Bubzer]

62. +1

[TIME TO PANIC]

56. K & R !

[xynthee]

58. I thought she was opposed to gay marriage until 2013

[AzDar]

59. K & R

[PoliticalMalcontent]

60. What kind of President would Hillary be?

She hasn't taken a firm position and stuck to it in her life, with a few exceptions. Once she's at the top how would she govern? I sure as hell don't know, and that's why I'm not inclined to give her my vote.

Consistency matters, especially when that consistent messages means as much today as it did 30 years ago if not more.

[reformist2]

71. A weathervane - a poll-driven disaster.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

72. If she becomes president there's nothing binding her to polls (except re-election).

I fully expect her to repay a bunch of favors to her corporate friends.

[R B Garr]

73. But he never bothered running for President before

so it's not a good thing that he had talked all these decades with no action. It dilutes his messages since he obviously didn't think he would be a viable candidate. He should have challenged Bill Clinton decades ago if he was serious.

[Live and Learn]

78. Not everyone has the desire or ego to want to run for President. Bernie didn't want to be President.

He just felt the options left him no choice but to run. He is running for us and his grand kids and I for one appreciate it.

In fact, nobody that wants to be President, should be.

[R B Garr]

79. So his desire to be President has EVOLVED.

I see.

[Live and Learn]

80. Not at all. He feels he has no choice. nt

[moobu2]

93. lol

[in_cog_ni_to]

95. Great post! Definitely Bookmarking!

Kick and Rec!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. kick! n/t

[stevenleser]

100. Not changing positions in 40 years makes one an anachronism in my book.

Not to mention that Bernie has changed his positions on several things.

- Guns

- Whether running as a Democrat would make him a hypocrite or not

And that's just off the top of my head.