Does Hillary make Trump look a little less bad?

[AZ Progressive]

Last edited Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Perspective is everything.

If Hillary would go up against Trump, sure Hillary is a policy heavyweight and has an understanding of foreign policy and domestic policy that makes Trump look like a kindergartner.

However, Hillary is the poster child for what's wrong in Washington (the culture of selfish politicians that care more about their career and their wealthy financial supporters than their constituents), and thus Trump would look like the relatively uncorrupt revolutionary to change Washington. The image of being a revolutionary worked with Obama's 2008 campaign.

Thus, Hillary makes Trump look relatively honest, real, what you see is what you get, candidate (despite him being outrageously offensive and the hero for racists in America) and Hillary as the bought and paid for shapeshifting politician that is the favorite of Wall Street and the 1%, and this would make the Democrats look like the corrupt defenders of the establishment. It should be the opposite, dammit!

[firebrand80]

1. A little??

Really?

[Warren Stupidity]

2. I think she convinces republicans who might sit out Trump to go vote for him anyway.

And that worries me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. She will hand Trump his xenophobic and racist ass...

Donald Trump has a better chance or running through Hell in a gasoline suit than of beating Hillary Clinton.


How confident am I of my assertion?

I would literally bet my life on it and am open to wagers where the stakes aren't as high.

[randys1]

6. You missed the point of the OP, the point of the OP is to BASH Hillary

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. I didn't miss it...

The seminal poster unfavorably compared Hillary Clinton with a man who is a bad hair day away from advocating Muslims and Mexicans be put in concentration camps.

[randys1]

11. OK, you didnt then.

I spend half my time here and half at a board with cons and libs, many extreme prick cons, and sometimes i see the exact same comments here that I see from them

[okasha]

15. Thanks.

That explains where the OP got this moronic notion.

The Republican Poohbahs are terrified that a Clinton-Trump contest would drive hordes of equally terrifed Republicans over the line to vote for Hillary. That would be a really sweet outcome, but I don't think they'll allow Trump to be nominated.

[Scootaloo]

13. That's what's starting to worry me

I came into this season believing hey, we have the numbers, and our candidates are just better anyway, that anyone we nominate will beat anyone the republicans nominate. I'm... losing that faith.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Though I'm not a big fan of Hillary, I don't agree.

Hillary does NOT make Trump look "relatively honest." For all her triangulation and equivocation she's not like Trump, who flat-out lies every time he opens his mouth. Frankly, the comparison is offensive.

[firebrand80]

7. As a Hillary supporter

I acknowledge that there are valid reasons not to like her. But let's not compare her to the worse major Presidential candidate since Barry Goldwater.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Exactly.

Except that Trump is worse than Barry Goldwater. He may be worse than David Duke.

[KMOD]

52. Hi Velveteen.

Thanks for saying that.

[artislife]

4. He is beholden to no one.

That is the good news


That is the bad news.


She is very cozy and has worked hard at making her relationships.

That is the good news


That is the bad news.


Not fond of either of them for different reasons.

[Maedhros]

8. Trump is a very unique brand of heinous.

I can't imagine anything, at this point, that could polish his image.

[AZ Progressive]

12. I would find it awkward that it'd be the Democrats who would be defending the establishment

When the establishment, especially as an agent of the 1%, is the biggest problem in America.

[comradebillyboy]

74. When has the Democratic Party not been part of 'The Establishment'?

We have a Democratic president, that is about as establishment as you can get. All of those senators, congressmen and local elected officials are the establishment. The 60s are long gone and the "Establishment" is still here.

[Kalidurga]

14. No Trump is a terrible person no matter who he is compared with.

Well unless you are comparing him with murderers and the like then he seems only marginally better.

[AZ Progressive]

18. And yet Trump is against the TPP

While Hillary claims to be against the TPP when she helped write it. The TPP is the biggest giveaway to corporate america since at least NAFTA and gives away U.S. sovereignty to multinational corporations, which for many Americans would be considered treason.

[Kalidurga]

29. Trump is a stopped watch person :D

[Dem2]

65. Well, since there's only one issue

Are you kidding me? Is this for real? Is this Free Republic?

[Broward]

16. I also think Trump has come out against the TPP.

If the nominee is Cruz, he'll bludgeon Hillary with her Iraq War vote.

[Live and Learn]

17. The thought of the two of them being our choice of candidates makes me ill. nt

[LonePirate]

19. WTF? Is this DU or FR?

I can't tell the difference some days with all of the bashing of Democrats that happens around here on a daily basis. Now we are portraying Repubs in a positive light while trashing Dems. Wasn't Discussionist created for this purpose? The admins need to lock this shit down and stop this behavior.

[Maedhros]

20. Well, if the Democratic Party establishment would give us decent candidates,

and if the rank-and-file would stop condoning actions taken by Democrats that they railed against when the same actions were taken by Republicans, then maybe there would be less criticism?

[NCTraveler]

22. "Make Trump look a little less bad"

Is not criticism.

[AZ Progressive]

24. The Democratic Party has been playing this "Good Cop, Bad Cop" game for awhile now

And its extremely manipulative and disrespectful.

[treestar]

72. You rely on the Dem party establishment to give you a candidate?

As if the Dem party was some sort of producer of goods?

[NCTraveler]

21. Perspective is everything.

Strongly agree.

[bigwillq]

23. Trump is worse than Hillary. By far.

And I don't like Hillary at all.

[AZ Progressive]

25. Hillary would basically make the case why people should defend the establishment

Because "it's better to have the establishment in charge than revolutionaries who would just make things a lot worse."

I'd hate to participate in legitimizing the 1% establishment.

[okasha]

58. So declare for Trump,

make your GBCW post and go back where you got this piece of trash.

[tularetom]

26. It's like Tom Hartmann always says, it isn't "liberals" vs. "conservatives" anymore,

its insiders vs outsiders. People are fed up with insiders and wanting to support outsiders.

Hillary Clinton is the stereotypical insider. She has all the connections with her party's leadership, with the media and with the power brokers and money people in Washington.

Trump is the ultimate outsider, he owes nothing to the party leaders or the fat cats who bankroll his party's candidates. Sure, he says a lot of things that are disgusting or outright repugnant, but the insiders are scared shitless of him and that makes him appealing to a lot of people who are ready for things to change.

[brooklynite]

27. Hope springs eternal...

[Turn CO Blue]

28. No. The other way. Trump makes Hillary look like Paul Wellstone. n/t

[MoonRiver]

30. No Hillary makes tRump look exactly like the ass he is.

But tRump does make Hillary look even more awesome, by comparison with his loathsome self.

Oh and thank you very much for your concern.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. Yet this doesn't trigger an alert.....

Funny that.......

Standing pat ..

[MoonRiver]

32. I noticed that.

Sigh

[VanillaRhapsody]

33. Some days you feel you have stumbled onto

Free Republic by mistake....you have to do a check just to make sure your eyes aren't deceiving you....

[Beacool]

35. I disregard 3/4 of the posts on this board.

Some of the things posted are as insane as anything that Trump spews. I wonder if some people live in a parallel world.

[ronnykmarshall]

57. and the "jury" would let it stand

more vile shit spewed from the Hillary haters.

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. Exactly......

But we are not supposed to notice....we are not supposed to point out the very obvious!

[Beacool]

34. Ahhhh, the nonsense one reads here rivals any RW site.

So Hillary is only marginally better than Trump?

This place has become a joke.

[VanillaRhapsody]

40. Yet pointing out the obvious....

Triggers an alert!

[Beacool]

45. At this point, they could say that the sky is blue and I would disregard them.

It's like Peter crying wolf. There are so many anti-Hillary over the top posts on this board that I have come to take them all as an act of desperation from people who know deep down that their candidate will not be the nominee. Therefore, they throw anything and everything against the wall in hopes that something sticks.

[VanillaRhapsody]

70. Many are not for

a nominee...

[Agnosticsherbet]

36. Comparing Clinton to a Fascist racist narcissistic sexist egomaniacs

and suggesting he looks better?

That tells me a lot.

[AZ Progressive]

38. You mean a Neocon 1%er Wall Streeter shapeshifter friend of Kissinger...

to a Fascist racist narcissistic sexist egomaniac

And then you see that the American people will have a raw deal for 2016.

[Agnosticsherbet]

39. As I said, it tells me a lot.

None of its progressive.
But everybody has an opinion.

[AZ Progressive]

41. Lol, why do I care what you think

Your not the center of the universe.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. I care what he thinks...

Lol, why do I care what you think.Your (sic) not the center of the universe

I care what he thinks...

[okasha]

59. True.

But some little crayons in this box are brighter than others. Some are in the main spectrum, some are in greyscale. Sherbet seems like a nice orange to my eye.

[AZ Progressive]

42. However, how can it be progressive to support Hillary?

Social Progressivism is not everything.

[Agnosticsherbet]

44. Never said it was.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. Why is your interlocutor still questioning you if he or she doesn't care what you think?

[Agnosticsherbet]

49. To get more replies on this thread so it can be boosted higher in the ratings.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I guess that is as bad or as good a reason as any.

EOM

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. Your honor

I would like to introduce to the court Exhibit A....

[jfern]

37. True, if you're anti TPP and anti war, there's no reason to vote for Hillary

[AZ Progressive]

46. I love the deflection attempts

Hillary supporters ignore the idea that Democrats would basically have to defend the poster child of traditional corrupt "in the pocket of the 1%" politics, Hillary Clinton, if she becomes the Democratic Party nominee and Trump becomes the Republican nominee. Trump, even with his far right extremism, gets to say:

- that he's not beholden to any special interests, while Hillary is
- that he has defied his party's establishment, while Hillary is the queen of her party's establishment
- that Hillary is Wall Street's favorite candidate, while he isn't
- that he's the ultimate outsider running in the party, while Hillary is the ultimate insider.
- that he's against the TPP while Clinton supported the TPP and NAFTA.

To me, that's a very uncomfortable position to have to be on the side of the corporate establishment. I would rather have Bernie to be our candidate of course because he's the moral opposite of Trump and would really put Trump in his place.

[brooklynite]

53. ...except that he wouldn't be able to...he won't have anything close to the financial resources

ans for defending "the poster child of traditional corruption", if Elizabeth Warren thinks Hillary is "terrific", I'm good.

[loyalsister]

50. I think that Trumps shamelessness and popularity are a result of Hillary 2008

She was willing to exploit racism for personal gain. She essentially invited racists to be comfortable with their attitudes and vote against the black guy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. Yeah, Barack Obama was so mad at the Clintons that ...

Yeah, Barack Obama was so mad at the Clintons he made Hillary his Secretary Of State:






and asked Bill Clinton to make the nominating speech for him at the 2012 Convention:

Oh, Bill Clinton was the first person Barack Obama called after his re-election to thank.

[MrWendel]

61. When...

your down in the polls and time is running out, make shit up!

[loyalsister]

62. You may be convinced it didn't happen because the team decided to play nice

But I'm not that naive. Clinton was in it to win it and got as ugly as she thought it would take. It's one thing for colleagues to move past it in the name of doing a good job. But, if the public is so ignorant and racist that they won't hold her accountable then Donald Trump is a perfect reflection of USAers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. Trump is a bad hair day away from advocating concentration camps for Mexicans and Muslims.

Trump is a bad hair day away from advocating concentration camps for Mexicans and Muslims. The Clintons play hardball politics. That will come in handy when it comes to facing the Republicans. If Barack Obama thought Bill and Hill were anything like Trump he would have nothing to do with them.

Also, Trump has made racist statements about African Americans. He inflated murder statistics to make it look like blacks were killing lots of whites and he said he prefers Jewish accountant to black accountants because the former are better at handling money...That was a twofer...He dissed Jews and blacks.

He also dissed Asians too when he used a faux Chinese accent.

Bad guy, a hata.

[loyalsister]

67. Not sure you understand what I'm saying

I'm talking about the cultural implications of participating in\exploiting racism. People feel comfortable letting it all out now and that has been the case since Obama took office. The Clinton's helped lay the groundwork for that by participating.
Dog whistle politics have been used by republicans for a very long time. But, then the win at any cost MO led Clinton to delve into that tool chest. It's absurd that anyone with any genuine sense of racial\social justice would forget about it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. Respectfully,

Respectfully, nothing the Clintons have done can justify Donald Trump stating that Muslims shouldn't be able to enter our country, saying he rather have Jews handle his money than blacks because the former know to handle it, suggest Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers, use a Japanese Chinese accent when discussing Asians, and making fun of physically challenged people.

He's also homophobic...He's Archie Bunker with some F U money and a Ivy League degree...The Clintons are totally different kinds of cats.

[Onlooker]

54. Does Hillary make a fascist look a little less bad? What's wrong with you? n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

56. This post is repulsive.

Another new low for this place.

[Bleacher Creature]

60. Wait, what????

How is this acceptable in any way? This is a DEMOCRATIC website and this post is saying that our frontrunner is so awful that she makes a vile, reprehensible racist look better by comparison.

We just need to make it to Super Tuesday and crap like this goes away.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. That day can't come soon enough...

It will be the equivalent of Christmas, my birthday, and New Year's Eve.

[dflprincess]

66. No, quite the reverse

Trump makes it way easier to bite the bullet and vote for Hillary if she's the nominee.

[ecstatic]

68. Are you a registered Democrat?

And if not, what attracts you to DU? What are you looking for?

[McCamy Taylor]

73. THis is from the Onion, right?