BERNIE vs. HILLARY On Facebook

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Several months ago, Salon did an article comparing Bernie Sanders against Hillary Clinton on Facebook. On August 22, Bernie had “1,197,290 likes to Clinton’s 1,199,797. By the end of the day, he had 1,218,879 to her 1,205,437. His lead has only increased since then.” Where are they now? As of December 6, Bernie is at 2,029,423. Hillary is at 1,874,835. And please note the activity on those pages. Hillary posted a “Stand with Planned Parenthood” item on her page and got 5,064 people “liking” it and 381 people sharing it. Bernie had a similar posting. 28,162 liked it and 6,619 shared it. And please note that these are “Politician” pages, which means that they are basically controlled by the campaigns themselves. There are other types of pages on Facebook, and they are far more interesting.

When Time magazine asked for people to nominate its “Person of the Year,” on November 17 Bernie Sanders had 10.3% of the votes (first place) and Hillary got 1.4% (behind such people as John Kerry, Elon Musk, and Stephen Colbert).

Quite significant are the “group pages.” Unlike the “politician” or other sort of community pages, the “group pages” allow individuals to post articles and photos directly on the page. The other types of pages only allow comments. Bernie has dozens if not hundreds of such groups. “Bernie Sanders for President 2016” has 250,876 members. There are three groups for Hillary with a similar name, but their grand total is only 7,500 members. If you type in “Florida for Hillary,” you get one group with 1,844 members. “Florida for Bernie” gets two groups totalling more than 3,900 members. “Nevada for Bernie” gets two groups with 1,060 members total. “Nevada for Hillary” does not appear to exist as a group. There are other indicators, too. When Time magazine asked for people to nominate its “Person of the Year,” on November 17 Bernie Sanders had 10.3% of the votes (first place) and Hillary got 1.4% (behind such people as John Kerry, Elon Musk, and Stephen Colbert). Pope Francis got 3.7% And Donald Trump got 1.8%. I’m not sure that Time will select Bernie as Person of the Year for 2015, since we haven’t even had any primary voting, but it’s pretty indicative that he has received so many votes.

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Try using Google. Put in “Honk for Bernie,” and look at the images. You get lots of photos of events involving honking for Bernie. But if you put in “Honk for Hillary,” you get no pictures of events. None. What you get are pictures of bumper stickers saying things like “Hillary 2016 Prison or President?”, “Honk, if you hate Hillary,” and “I’m not Ready for Hillary.” (Yes, there are so pro Hillary bumper sticks, too, but a lot of negative ones. You get no pictures of negative Bernie bumper stickers.) If you try “Honk for Donald Trump,” all you get are five stickers, two of which say “Honk if you’re voting for Trump so I can give you the finger.” If you look for web sites on Google, you can find a link to one “Honk for Donald” event. Try it for Hillary, and you can find some references to honking for her, but most of them are from back in 2008. On the other hand, “Honk for Bernie” will guide you to all sorts of recent events. If you go on TwitterAudit.com and put in @HillaryClinton, you’ll learn that 41% of her followers are supposedly fake. Put in @BernieSanders and you’ll find that only 11% are fake. (Hillary has a lot more twitter followers than Bernie, but if you only count the “real” ones, they are very close in number). Donald Trump (@realDonaldTrump) is 36% fake. Barack Obama (@BarackObama) is 63% fake. You have to wonder how accurate any of this is!


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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/12/1459435/-Bernie-vs-Hillary-on-Facebook

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1. "...So what does this all mean?

"...It certainly means that those rooting for Bernie are really active and that they give freely of their time and probably whatever free money they have. If you are a member of a lot of Bernie groups, you’ll find the names of the same people over and over again, because activists for Bernie join many different Bernie groups. That way they can spread the word to a lot of different people.

At the same time, whether on a national or local level, there are a lot of things going on. We had a meeting in North Hollywood, California, for people interested in doing phone banking and other things for Bernie, and there were well over 100 people in attendance on a Sunday morning. We’ve done “Honk for Bernie” events weekly, and we get more and more honks. There really are people out there who are enthusiastic. And that enthusiasm, replicated all over the country, may yet carry the day for Bernie Sanders. The social media reflects what we are seeing at the local level...."

[PatrickforO]

3. Yep. What we have to do is ALL show up and vote in the primaries or caucus for Bernie.

Then the next step is we all have to get engaged with our government and take it back.

Hard? Sure.

Worthwhile? Hell yes.

This may be our last chance, because the oligarchs are making their move.

[nc4bo]

5. If I didn't know better, I'd think HRC has a little enthusiasm problem.

But I know that couldn't possibly be true.

Or could it?

It'd certainly explain some common behaviors around here as well as in the media.

#FearingtheBern?

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9. Like the bullfrog....

when threatened, it inflates by sucking up a lot of air making themselves look bigger than they really are.....

[bvar22]

25. It means....

AstroTurf

[Live and Learn]

2. That is what we have been saying. The people like Bernie. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. Hill....arious! Suuuure she's going to win.

Fat chance.

Quite significant are the “group pages.” Unlike the “politician” or other sort of community pages, the “group pages” allow individuals to post articles and photos directly on the page. The other types of pages only allow comments. Bernie has dozens if not hundreds of such groups. “Bernie Sanders for President 2016” has 250,876 members. There are three groups for Hillary with a similar name, but their grand total is only 7,500 members. If you type in “Florida for Hillary,” you get one group with 1,844 members. “Florida for Bernie” gets two groups totalling more than 3,900 members. “Nevada for Bernie” gets two groups with 1,060 members total. “Nevada for Hillary” does not appear to exist as a group

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[retrowire]

7. And those rally numbers.

Those are real people. All capable of voting.... Except for the kids. But yeah.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Exactly!

I have yet to see HRH have a rally with over 30,000 supporters attending! Hasn't happened and won't.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

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16. 30,000 supporters?....coming to hear her speak on their own time and expense...lol!

I can already visualize the Ready For Hillary yellow school buses all neatly lined up ready to go.......

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. The only people

excited by her are the 9% here on DU. That yellow school bus would be only 1/4 filled.

Personally, I've never met anyone who supports her. I've never seen a Hillary bumper sticker (I'm in her home state of Illinois too!) or haven't seen any Hillary buttons. The same cannot be said about Bernie.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[reformist2]

6. I love that 41% of her followers are fake. Who created all those accounts???

[catnhatnh]

10. The same people

who first explained to us how to vote multiple times in an online poll and then accused us of doing it....

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13. Here, check for yourself....

The site is called TwitterAudit:

About TwitterAudit

Each audit takes a random sample of 5000 Twitter followers for a user and calculates a score for each follower. This score is based on number of tweets, date of the last tweet, and ratio of followers to friends. We use these scores to determine whether any given user is real or fake. Of course, this scoring method is not perfect but it is a good way to tell if someone with lots of followers is likely to have increased their follower count by inorganic, fraudulent, or dishonest means.

TwitterAudit is not affiliated with Twitter in any way.

https://www.twitteraudit.com


Also, there are Fake Twitter account app/generators that can be used to inflate Twitter follower numbers. Lots of info about fake accounts, methods including financial rewards, just Google.......too many links to post.....

[AgingAmerican]

21. 59% of her 'followers' are fake

6 out of 10

https://www.twitteraudit.com/Hillaryclinton

[Fantastic Anarchist]

8. Bernie makes me want to vote.

And that's quite an undertaking.

[upaloopa]

11. He will still be stuck around 30%

The Democratic Party has a wide base. Bernie only represents the left wing.

What is killing you all is your belief in your ideology at all costs. That is not inspiring to others.

[nc4bo]

14. That's funny because those of us on the left feel exactly the same way about the Dems right-wing.

So............now what?

Where do we (as in the Democratic Party as a whole) go from here?

[Bleacher Creature]

18. I'm part of the "left wing" and Bernie doesn't represent me.

If he's the nominee, I'll be all in for him. Until then, my strong preference is for a slightly less progressive Hillary Clinton, who I think will be a very effective leader, versus a more progressive Bernie Sanders, who I'm convinced will have a hard time accomplishing much of anything.

[nc4bo]

19. According to HRC supporter standards, Bernie Sander's supporters are part of the horrible LEFT wing

of the Democratic Party.

[fredamae]

15. I Trust Bernie

He earned my support and I am actually looking forward to voting for the first time in a long time

[peacebird]

20. Hillary & her supporters are in for a rude deja vu....

[Enthusiast]

22. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

I like it!

[firebrand80]

23. Sanders 2016, President of Facebook

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Kick! n/t

[LuvLoogie]

26. Is he also leading in The United States of Twitter?

[ThePhilosopher04]

27. Anectdotal bumper sticker observations ...

A couple of weeks ago, the wife and I drove from the deep south, up to NJ to see in-laws. On the way, we decided to count bumper stickers for all current Presidential candidates.

We saw our first bumper sticker in north Alabama, between Gadsden and Fort Payne, and much to our surprise, it was for Bernie Sanders. We didn't see another one until we got to upper east Tennessee, and again, it was for Bernie Sanders. We saw four more Bernie stickers traveling up I-81 through Virginia, between Christiansburg and Harrisonburg. We finally saw a Hillary Clinton sticker near Winchester but it was faded and partially peeled, and was on an older model car (our guess is it was from 2008, but not 100% sure.)

We counted eight more Bernie stickers on the 81 stretch through WV/MD and just across the border into PA. We didn't see another until we saw three more Bernie stickers, near Easton, on I-78. At that point, we stopped counting for purposes of our game to pass time, and the final count was 17 for Bernie, 1 for Clinton (with an asterisk), and a goose egg for all Republican candidates combined.

Full disclosure: we are Bernie supporters and the count is hardly scientific, but it at least speaks to enthusiasm, or lack thereof.