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Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:05 PM

 

Will Hillary Clinton Flip on Trade?

Her prior twists and turns result in her lack of credibility when she sort of takes a position.

"Since officially announcing her candidacy in April, Clinton has managed to avoid the wrath of her party’s left wing — despite Bernie Sanders’ rocketing rise in the New Hampshire and Iowa polls — by opposing the Keystone XL pipeline and aligning herself with Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren on student-loan reform. But reacting to the polarizing TPP deal is one of the most excruciating policy decisions of her campaign thus far — and far more politically perilous with Democratic primary voters than her backing of Obama’s Iran deal.
It’s an unwelcome flashback to 2008 when another liberal free-trade skeptic — Obama — pointedly vowed to renegotiate the North American Free Trade Agreement rammed through by her husband in the 1990s."
"Perhaps more than on any other issue, Clinton’s positions on trade illuminate questions that continue to nag at her candidacy: What does she really stand for? Will she go to bat for the party's progressive base? Has she really distanced herself from the shadow of her husband's administration?"


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-trade-dilemma-214456#ixzz3uPSMrndE

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Reply Will Hillary Clinton Flip on Trade? (Original post)
floriduck Dec 2015 OP
olddots Dec 2015 #1
jeff47 Dec 2015 #2
JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #3
cali Dec 2015 #5
AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #34
cali Dec 2015 #4
ibegurpard Dec 2015 #6
cosmicone Dec 2015 #7
cali Dec 2015 #11
Bradical79 Dec 2015 #14
floriduck Dec 2015 #16
Doctor_J Dec 2015 #17
kenfrequed Dec 2015 #23
arcane1 Dec 2015 #28
jfern Dec 2015 #42
Bradical79 Dec 2015 #8
Autumn Dec 2015 #9
leftofcool Dec 2015 #10
cali Dec 2015 #13
AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #38
EndElectoral Dec 2015 #12
Doctor_J Dec 2015 #15
kath Dec 2015 #43
RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #18
firebrand80 Dec 2015 #19
bvar22 Dec 2015 #21
EndElectoral Dec 2015 #24
UglyGreed Dec 2015 #31
ibegurpard Dec 2015 #33
AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #36
Maedhros Dec 2015 #20
AzDar Dec 2015 #22
MineralMan Dec 2015 #25
cali Dec 2015 #29
ibegurpard Dec 2015 #35
Herman4747 Dec 2015 #26
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2015 #27
Armstead Dec 2015 #30
AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #37
restorefreedom Dec 2015 #32
Pastiche423 Dec 2015 #39
Live and Learn Dec 2015 #40
jfern Dec 2015 #41

Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:07 PM

1. not flip

 

Flop .

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:08 PM

2. Yes. (nt)

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:08 PM

3. Her powerful cadre of supporters certainly believe so

They even said as much on the record for The Guardian!

On Friday, Clinton was barely distinguishable from Sanders and O’Malley – even denying her hawkish foreign policy reputation by insisting she would be no “more aggressive” a commander-in-chief than Obama.

But many moderates believe she will come around once the primary contest is over, particularly over trade when her opposition to Obama’s Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) deal is the biggest thorn in the side of pro-business Democrats.

“I’d lie if I said I wasn’t disappointed with the statement that she made on TPP,” says Representative Kind. “Everyone knew where she was on that and where she will be, but given the necessities of the moment and a tough Democratic primary, she felt she needed to go there initially.”

From agreed. “Hillary will bend a little bit, but not so much that she can’t get herself back on course in the general [election] and when she is governing,” he said.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/08/new-democrats-sound-alarm-over-sanders-clinton-leftward-march

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:12 PM

5. Ding, ding.

 

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Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:33 PM

34. "No more aggressive than Obama"

 

Yet her supporters say TERROR!! will be her main issue...

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:11 PM

4. Yes. Hill will end up. Pushing the shit out of lousy trade agreements

 

that largely benefit corporations and investors and hurt working people and the environment.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:16 PM

6. Clinton by the numbers...

$$$$
Is there even a question?

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:25 PM

7. Oh Joy. Another "Hillary is worse than Pol Pot or Genghis Khan" thread. n/t

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:32 PM

11. Your post is utterly inane as well as being melodramatic to the max

 

No one is comparing her to the despots you list or calling her evil. This is about her ambiguous and waffling positions on ftas.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:42 PM

14. What were their positions on free trade agreements? -nt

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:46 PM

16. Hysteria Alert. nm

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:47 PM

17. Exactly!!11! Hillary favors "free trade" is just like "Hillary is worse than Pol Pot"

 

Good thing the Hillarians aren't hysterics.

These sorts of posts wouldn't appear if she actually had some principles besides reading polls.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:26 PM

23. Oh joy... more hyperbole

So... any critique of Hillary's economic policy is automatically targetted with defensive and sarcastic hyperbole?

Ridiculous. Learn to craft an actual argument.

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:33 PM

28. It's nothing that can't be fixed by a dishonest chart

 

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Response to cosmicone (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:46 AM

42. How dare us peons not agree 100% with Hillary on an important issue?

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:28 PM

8. I assume so

 

No reason to assume she won't.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:28 PM

9. Yes. nt

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:30 PM

10. Same anti-Hillary meme, different day.

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:33 PM

13. It's not a meme. This is a policy discussion about Clinton and trade.

 

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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:56 PM

38. Policy is a 'meme' to her supporters

 

Policy = pony to them

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:32 PM

12. She never flips...she evolves....

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:44 PM

15. You mean flop?

 

she already flipped

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 04:01 AM

43. it's very very hard to keep track of whether she is on "flip" or on "flop"

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 01:56 PM

18. Hasn't she already flipped once?

 

I see no reason why she will not flip again.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:00 PM

19. Probably

She obviously believes in free trade. Sanders pulled her to the left on this issue.

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:44 PM

21. No one really believes in "Free Trade".

Obama & Hillary proved it in 2008 during one of the debates when they both stated that NAFTA was not good for Working Americans, and each promised that they would immediately "renegotiate" NAFTA to protect American jobs.
Of course, they were both less than truthful.
In fact, they weren't even making "the least untruthful statements". (Thanks, Clapper)

Free Trade WORKS exactly the way it was designed....to increase the wealth of the already Global Rich by Busting Unions, depressing wages, ending retirement benefits, and end-running Environmental Regulations.

Bill Clinton warned us when he said,
"The American Worker can compete with any worker in the World"...and Democrats cheered, but never really thought about what Bill had said.
Bill promised that the American Worker would be competing with Slave Labor for their jobs, and would work for pennies once their children got hungry enough.

And now, Here we are!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:25 PM

24. Good post. Somehow the word "free" trade appeals to some more than "fair" trade.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:45 PM

31. +100000

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:30 PM

33. ouch

Yup

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Response to firebrand80 (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:41 PM

36. So she is intentionally taking both sides of the issue?

 

He 'pulled' her away from the right on the issue, like wind does to a weathervane?

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 02:19 PM

20. Her ostensible opposition to the TPP is campaign smoke-and-mirrors.

 

She has no intention of impeding trade agreements in the slightest way, so in that sense I wouldn't say she'll "flip" because her position will have remained constant throughout.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 03:12 PM

22. Who knows? She's a LIAR...

 

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:29 PM

25. Hillary Clinton will disappoint the same group that was

disappointed in Barack Obama. Immediately after her inauguration, they will begin assailing her as they did Obama. Just as Obama did, she will simply ignore that group and set about to do what she can to make progress in this country.

We will all see it unfold right here, starting the day after the inauguration, I guarantee.

I'd make a list, but it's sort of an obvious one.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:40 PM

29. Oh what nonsense.

 

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:33 PM

35. yup

The health insurance corporation protection act, charter schools, corporate trade agreements, strengthening the surveillance state, prosecuting whistleblowers...good stuff!

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:31 PM

26. She will triangulate to the extent necessary...

 

...to win next year.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:32 PM

27. She flips on everything else, so why not?

And then she'll flop back later, when she thinks she doesn't have to appease progressives any more.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:43 PM

30. No she won't

 

She has no identifiable position on it now.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 09:43 PM

37. She touted the agreement 15 times before she rejected it

 

The numbers favor what you just said.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Tue Dec 15, 2015, 04:48 PM

32. no, she will maintain

the pro trade position she has always had.

her carefully crafted statement to diane sawyer was not an indication of opposition, so there is nothing to flip on imo

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:03 AM

39. A'yup.

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:39 AM

40. One never knows what tomorrow may bring. Especially with the flip flop queen. nt

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Response to floriduck (Original post)

Wed Dec 16, 2015, 03:42 AM

41. She already flip flopped on NAFTA

Of course she will when she doesn't need the votes of worthless peons.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816

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