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Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 12:36 AM Dec 2015

If your primary were held today, whom would you vote for?


51 votes, 2 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Bernie Sanders
40 (78%)
Hillary Clinton
11 (22%)
Martin O'Malley
0 (0%)
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If your primary were held today, whom would you vote for? (Original Post) Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 OP
I'm still mulling it over. merrily Dec 2015 #1
Well, I set the poll for unlimited time to respond, so take all the time you need. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #2
I probably won't know for certain until I step into the polling booth--and even then.... merrily Dec 2015 #3
I somehow find that hard to believe, merrily! Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #12
LOL. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #6
I love brainteasers! n/t bvf Dec 2015 #4
what there is a primary election ?????? olddots Dec 2015 #5
Bernie (nt) bigwillq Dec 2015 #7
Bernie (NH primary). Vinca Dec 2015 #8
I would never vote for Clinton in my primary. Never. cali Dec 2015 #9
I vote sanders period. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #10
Martin O'Malley PragmaticLiberal Dec 2015 #11
O'Malley FSogol Dec 2015 #13
Serious question for the O'Malley backers. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #14
Well, since you asked (and I also don't mean to bash anyone), FSogol Dec 2015 #35
OK - too bad he has no chance - otherwise I might be voting for him. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #37
That makes NO SENSE, this is NOT A HORSE RACE, elleng Dec 2015 #39
Only if you want to elect a rethuglican. That REALLY makes no sense. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #43
I am confident that whoever the Democrats nominate, that they will defeat the Repubs. FSogol Dec 2015 #44
ABSOLUTELY, whoever the Democrats nominate will defeat the repugs! elleng Dec 2015 #45
Just reality, I'm afraid. Hillary won't have a chance. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #46
THANK YOU, FSogol, for setting it out so clearly. elleng Dec 2015 #38
I voted 15 times for Hillary on this on line poll Ichingcarpenter Dec 2015 #15
Ha! Knew it! senz Dec 2015 #28
same results every time? reddread Dec 2015 #16
The funny thing about this is..... Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #17
Just what we all know already. PowerToThePeople Dec 2015 #18
I noticed the same thing. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #19
Minority, Yes.... Persecuted, not so much. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #20
It's gotten much better since a few have gone on vacation. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #21
Also, I have most of them on full ignore. Can't stand the lies and bullshit. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #40
Very wise, that must make it almost tolerable. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author senz Dec 2015 #22
+ 10 senz Dec 2015 #24
Are they Democrats? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #29
I must say that I was genuinely shocked by the sliminess of some of Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #31
No. It's not. KMOD Dec 2015 #33
This. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #36
I'm voting for the people's candidate. senz Dec 2015 #23
I thought the primary was over? John Poet Dec 2015 #25
Why bother .... ronnykmarshall Dec 2015 #26
I actually think we might be moving up just a bit. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #27
It wasn't a bother at all, but thanks for caring. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #42
Sanders Splinter Cell Dec 2015 #30
Alaska holds a caucus, Blue_In_AK Dec 2015 #32
Aww, only 29 votes for Hillary AZ Progressive Dec 2015 #34

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. I probably won't know for certain until I step into the polling booth--and even then....
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 01:08 AM
Dec 2015

I hope the people waiting in line to vote will be patient!

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
14. Serious question for the O'Malley backers.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 11:13 AM
Dec 2015

If Hill and Bern are tied at 40% each in the latest polls before your primary, and Marty only has 1%, would you really risk having Hillary over Bernie? Not going to bash anyone, just curious.

FSogol

(45,529 posts)
35. Well, since you asked (and I also don't mean to bash anyone),
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015

You are asking us to triangulate between O'Malley and Sanders to block HRC. I see the election as much more than stopping HRC, I see it as the way to block the disastrous fools in the GOP and to continue recent Democratic successes, pushing the party further leftward. We need another 16 years of Democratic presidents to remake the Supreme court. I don't care about blocking HRC, because she'd be light years better than any Repub running (or living). We need to win and win and win.

Sanders says all the right things and is correct on almost every issue, but truthfully, his legislative record is very meager. Our party needs a dynamic President that can launch a new deal style of policies and tackle multiple issues at once. That candidate is O'Malley. He is most similar to FDR and JFK. FDR and JFK had accomplishments. Sanders is most similar to Dennis Kucinich. O'Malley has the best record of anyone running with actual accomplishments such as:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

O'Malley similarly has the most comprehensive, most workable plans of anyone running. His plans are listed here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600

Sanders' and HRC's plans are more like wish lists which are not likely to pass a divided Congress. O'Malley's plans are more grounded in reality, like limiting college tuition and helping students with a plan to make college debt free rather than Sanders' "make college free" wishful idea. O'Malley's plan is here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12813600#post13
If you haven't read the plan, take a minute and look it over. It is something that is seldom seem in politics, comprehensive with goals, dates, etc.

Things like Single Payer don't come about like a newborn baby, they come in steps, Social Security, medicare, the ACA, and hopefully a next step.

Sanders expects everything to change overnight. A legislator without many accomplishments is expected, by his supporters on DU, to not only have more accomplishments than Obama, but to cause a revolution that changes everything. Sorry, but that idea is childish, not happening, and not likely to happen. The reason his supporters expect it to happen is because he speaks well on the issues? Having the right ideas and policies is a good first step, but being able to implement those ideas is vitally important. Sanders has not shown he can do that while O'Malley has a good track record of getting his policies enacted and paying off for the people in his state.

Why O'Malley? Because he is the best candidate running.

elleng

(131,159 posts)
39. That makes NO SENSE, this is NOT A HORSE RACE,
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:47 AM
Dec 2015

this is an election, where responsible citizens select the candidate they think can best do the job they want to be done.

FSogol

(45,529 posts)
44. I am confident that whoever the Democrats nominate, that they will defeat the Repubs.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:56 AM
Dec 2015

The triangulation you proposed is unnecessary. I'll continue to support the candidate I feel is the best.

elleng

(131,159 posts)
38. THANK YOU, FSogol, for setting it out so clearly.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:45 AM
Dec 2015

These are concrete reasons why we support Martin O'Malley.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
17. The funny thing about this is.....
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 08:00 PM
Dec 2015

...that the number of posts from Bernie supporters is roughly the same as those from Hillary supporters.

I would even go so far as to say that the number of rude and/or over-the-top posts from Bernie and Hillary supporters are roughly the same.


Assuming those two statements are true, and there are ~4 times as many Bernie supporters here than there are Hillary supporters (as this poll suggests at the time I am posting this)...


Just what does that say about the Hillary supporters here?








beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. I noticed the same thing.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 09:13 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Wed Dec 16, 2015, 10:48 PM - Edit history (2)

Most of the toxic posts/threads in this forum are from one side, I thought they were a minority?








*note to jury: this is an opinion only, and by saying "most" I'm also noting that one side is not solely responsible for toxic posts/threads

No supporters were harmed in the making of this post.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
20. Minority, Yes.... Persecuted, not so much.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 09:21 PM
Dec 2015

It really does look like they are at least 4 times worse than Bernie supporters.




beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
21. It's gotten much better since a few have gone on vacation.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 09:23 PM
Dec 2015

I'd say the toxicity level dropped by at least 50%.

Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #19)

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
24. + 10
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 11:00 PM
Dec 2015

I will vouch that no supporters were harmed in the making of that post.

Not even athletic supporters, ha ha ha (please excuse, I grew up with boys)

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
31. I must say that I was genuinely shocked by the sliminess of some of
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

Clinton's most ardent supporters. It is clear as the figures point out that proportionally more Hillary supporters are using a lot more scorched earth - win at any cost - twist any half-truth and tell any lie tactics.

I do not know who they think they are going to win over with these Rovian tactics.

 

KMOD

(7,906 posts)
33. No. It's not.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:27 AM
Dec 2015

Just one look at the Greatest Page, would stop most Democrats from joining this site.

It's embarrassing. No one wants to recommend this site to other friends at this point.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
36. This.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:12 AM
Dec 2015

The anti-union talk coming out of one group here is enough to drive democrats away. I can't believe how much I have read here about corrupt union bosses without one shred of evidence to back it up. The same holds true for almost all issues. Civil Rights leaders have been called "bought and sold" by some members here. It is painful to watch. I can't wait until the primaries are over.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
25. I thought the primary was over?
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 11:04 PM
Dec 2015

I must have slept through that and the convention also...



or at least that's the impression one gets,
when reading the posts of the Hillarybots.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
27. I actually think we might be moving up just a bit.
Wed Dec 16, 2015, 11:17 PM
Dec 2015

Though, my post may incite the clickety-clickers.

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