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MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:37 PM Dec 2015

Primaries, like all elections, are popularity contests.

While that's regrettable, it's also true. Most voters decide which candidate gets their vote for broad, non-specific reasons. That's why things like name recognition, appearance, speaking ability and presentation are so important to candidates.

Here on DU, we tend to focus on policy positions and political theory. That's nice, but it isn't really how most voters decide which ballot box to mark. It's even more that way in the General Election.

General popularity is usually the key factor. In 2008, Barack Obama had it. In 2016, I'm guessing that Hillary gets the nod in both the primaries and the GE.

Shallow? Sure. Realistic. Also.

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Primaries, like all elections, are popularity contests. (Original Post) MineralMan Dec 2015 OP
There's a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one. HerbChestnut Dec 2015 #1
That's not why I'm voting for her. MineralMan Dec 2015 #2
Looking at two things: number of individual contributors to a campaign, and crowd size for events peacebird Dec 2015 #3
Irrelevant. What percentage of MineralMan Dec 2015 #5
Goes to enthusiasm, which goes to GOTV! But you know that. Bernie Sanders supporters are peacebird Dec 2015 #12
haha, i hope this is sattire. jkbRN Dec 2015 #4
I see... MineralMan Dec 2015 #6
No you obviously don't, jkbRN Dec 2015 #15
Reality will become real sooner than you think. MineralMan Dec 2015 #16
Great, another post from a Hillary supporter to make themselves feel better? Dawgs Dec 2015 #7
Thanks for clickin' and kickin'! MineralMan Dec 2015 #8
pathetic. n/t Dawgs Dec 2015 #9
Thanks again. MineralMan Dec 2015 #17
K&R from me. And it's not that shallow. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #10
I would say that... CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #11
Yes, the party faithful. MineralMan Dec 2015 #14
Great post!! NurseJackie Dec 2015 #13
Her huge unfavorables disprove your theory. AtomicKitten Dec 2015 #18
This year it more like fatalistic ho-hum knee-jerk duty Armstead Dec 2015 #19
 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
1. There's a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:39 PM
Dec 2015

"Vote for my candidate! She's way better looking than that other guy."

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
2. That's not why I'm voting for her.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

I have other reasons. I'm describing a different phenomenon. The OP is an observation, not an endorsement.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
3. Looking at two things: number of individual contributors to a campaign, and crowd size for events
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

I would say Bernie is a LOT more popular than Hillary!

He has TWICE as many individual contributions as Obama had in 2008, and Obama set a record number of individual contributions that year (1 million). Bernie has TWICE that. Think about it.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
5. Irrelevant. What percentage of
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:44 PM
Dec 2015

the total primary vote count do you think those contributors and attendees make up?

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
12. Goes to enthusiasm, which goes to GOTV! But you know that. Bernie Sanders supporters are
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

passionate about getting their candidate the nomination.

That IS relevant.

jkbRN

(850 posts)
15. No you obviously don't,
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:08 PM
Dec 2015

but maybe one day you will.

One can hope that you will come to terms with reality, right?



....lol

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
11. I would say that...
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

...popularity and likability are less important in the primaries. You get more of the party faithful voting in primaries and they are more issue-oriented.

The whole Homecoming Queen/Homecoming King mentality is more prevalent in the GE.

I think looks/appearance can affect people as well.

I don't give a rip about any of that. This year I'm proud and honored to support my candidate who ain't exactly a Calvin Klein underwear model. That's why I love him. He's more Andrew Jackson than the blow blow-dried, empty suit, Homecoming King types that we've seen with a Romney or W. Blech.

Go Bernie!

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
14. Yes, the party faithful.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:58 PM
Dec 2015

We probably don't define that in the same way, though. A large percentage of primary voters are party first and individual candidate second. They're pretty darned loyal to the party. I talk to a lot of them. Who they are would probably surprise you, really. In my precinct, for example, I'm the only DUer I know of. I see the same people show up at every caucus meeting and primary vote. I know who they are.

2:1 for Hillary in 2016 at least, in the caucuses and 3:1 for the Democrat in the general election. That's who they are. That's who they always are. They're the party faithful.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
13. Great post!!
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 03:51 PM
Dec 2015
That's why things like name recognition, appearance, speaking ability and presentation are so important to candidates.

I guess "demeanor" falls under "presentation", so you've covered everything as far as I'm concerned. It's a very straightforward, non-threatening, non-insulting post ... just one man's honest opinions and factual observations ... but it's curious to see the hostile reactions and over-reactions.
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