Brand New Iowa Poll - Sanders beats Cruz, but Cruz beats Clinton; Sanders beats Carson, but Clinton

[Attorney in Texas]

is tied with Carson; Sanders does 5% better than Clinton head-to-head against Rubio, and also does better head-to-head against Fiorina and Trump.

Link.

[Vinca]

1. Bernie has created some excitement . . . some interest.

I think he has a better chance in the general than Hillary.

[Robbins]

2. more proof

bernie is the electable one not clinton especilly if another republican manages to beat trump.

[TryLogic]

28. Yes. I will worry a lot if it is Hillary versus one of those Republicans. Bernie is the one who

the one who would attract cross-over voters.

[reformist2]

3. Hillary fans suddenly hate polls when they see results like these...

[RBInMaine]

40. These polls don't mean a single fucking thing right now. NOTHING. Enough of this nonsense.

Uh, right, as if the lunatic who is Cruz is going to beat Clinton in the general election. This doesn't mean a single fucking thing right now.

[Hepburn]

57. You sound scared...

...and you should be. Hillary is a loser. Every day is it gets clearer that if we Dems nominate her, Cruz, Rubio, Trump or one of the other sociopaths running on the GOP side WILL get the WH.

It means a lot that she has less than -0- cross over appeal and that with all of her alleged support she comes in second to a maniac like Ted Crud.

Congrats on backing a loser. If she is nominated and the GOP takes the WH, what are you going to say then? That only lunatics voted for Cruz? Or many it was insanity to back someone like HRC who is very disliked.

JMHO

[Scuba]

9. Your mindreading skills are impressive!

Not.

[Segami]

16. Haha....

I was just about to ask for tonight's Lotto numbers....

[comradebillyboy]

6. Oddly enough Clinton is running against Sanders and O'Malley

in Iowa. That's the only contest that matters. Neither Clinton nor Sanders are running against Cruz or Carson or any other republican in Iowa. Grasping at straws...

[winter is coming]

11. It gives the lie to the claim that Hillary's electable but Bernie isn't. n/t

[comradebillyboy]

12. He's got to beat Hillary first.....nt

[winter is coming]

13. And she has to beat him. The biggest thing she had going for her was the perception that she was

the only candidate who could beat a Republican nominee, and that's been proven to be illusory.

[Persondem]

18. Oh that's a crock. Clinton has been taking BS from the GOP for decades. Sanders has had a free ride

so far. Soon after the GOP media guns turned on him, Sanders' drop in the polls would be meteoric. They have LOTS of ammo (starting with "big government, tax and spend socialist&quot complete with sound bites.

[winter is coming]

22. I'm already seeing HRC supporters trying that on; it doesn't seem to be working. n/t

[comradebillyboy]

25. Exactly so...nt

[Roland99]

20. And DWS' DNC. They certainly are stacking the deck for Mrs Blue Dog

[merrily]

32. Right, so Democrats should root for the one who does worse in these match ups, right?

Cause a Hillary primary victory is the be all and end all in 2016.

Talk about a pyrrhic victory.

[comradebillyboy]

34. Those match ups are irrelevant at the moment

The relevant match up is Clinton vs Sanders

[merrily]

38. No, those match ups are relevant to the choice between Clinton vs. Sanders. I chose Obama over

Hillary and the rest of the field in November of 2007 precisely because I thought he'd have a better chance in the general than Hillary or the other candidates. That should be a huge factor in a primary choice. For a Democratic voter, there's little point in your candidate winning the primary, only to lose the general.

[George II]

48. The last I saw, it takes 270 electoral votes to be elected President, Iowa only has six.

[merrily]

50. The last I saw it, the Democrat needs to beat the Republican in the general.

[George II]

51. When did Iowa become the bellweather of Presidential elections?

[Persondem]

52. Oh please, if the GOP media troops ever turned the big guns on Bernie, he would wilt

like week old spinach. He has had a complete pass because they would love to see him beat Clinton. Clinton scares them shitless because of things like the Benghazi hearings; she either makes them look foolish or rises above their diddly-squat games.

[merrily]

53. IOW, you have an opinion.

[Persondem]

55. Yep, based on the real world.

[merrily]

56. Based on your opinion and perception of what the real world consists of.

Not knowing the the difference between fact and one's own opinions and perceptions is a serious thing.

[Persondem]

58. Yeah, well that's just your OPINION about my opinion, so there

Argue, argue, argue, ... make a snarky point ... get the last word in ... insert worthless emoticon.

[A Simple Game]

29. Funny a couple of months ago the general election was the only thing that mattered,

several Hillary supporters told me so.

You must remember, back when it was assumed she would beat any of the Republicans.

Remember back before they actually asked people who they would prefer in the general election and found out it wasn't Hillary.

Back when it used to be important to select the candidate that would do the best in the general election. Funny now it's not so important to Hillary supporters anymore.

[RBInMaine]

41. As if by next November the lunatics Carson or Cruz would be Clinton. This is all SHIT at this point.

[merrily]

44. Sure, it was more valid a couple of months ago, when Hillary supporters were touting it.

[still_one]

7. Gee, I wonder why the same pollster reported on 12/15 Clinton 52% vs Sanders 34% vs O'Malley 7%?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_democratic_presidential_caucus-3195.html

[merrily]

46. Because that's different from general election head to head match ups?

[99th_Monkey]

8. And Bernie is running this strong, with OUT media attention, with OUT fair & visible debates

No fucking wonder DWS/DNC is scared shitless enough to bugger the debates, and that
corporatist M$M is doing their damnedest to completely ignore him.


Just imagine if this was actually a fair & level playing field, and say hello to President Bernie Sanders.

[Scuba]

10. ^^ This right here ^^

[Juicy_Bellows]

19. What you said - totally true.

I haven't a doubt in my mind.

[RBInMaine]

42. Enough of the delusional conspiracy theories.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. Someone needs to tell her she needs to drop out for the good of the party.

[merrily]

47. That would be the job of DWS. Don't hold your breath

[AzDar]

15. Bernie!!

[AtomicKitten]

17. He is clearly the strongest GE candidate. k&r

[George II]

21. Sounds like a political version of "rock, paper, scissors"! What's missing is.....

...."Clinton beats Sanders"

[Tote Life]

33. Which won't happen.

[merrily]

43. See Reply 38. We don't want a pyrrhic Clinton primary victory followed by her loss in the general.

[Matthew28]

23. If cut, slash and burn Cruz wins 150 electorals from either Sanders or Clinton...

Well, I'll probably pass out and have a heartattack.

[merrily]

49. Polls don't matter when Sanders does better than Hillary in them.

At all other times, they warrant trumpeting all day, every day.

[Ed Suspicious]

24. Just imagine what Bernie would do if the party insiders treated him like an actual candidate.

He's around 30 in the likely dem voters polls without any help whatsoever. Just imagine the wave he could ride through the country with support of the party and a fair shake in the media.

[Nonhlanhla]

27. That is just unrealistic

I think it is simply unrealistic to expect the party insiders to show equal preference to someone who has been a Democrat for all of 5 minutes, especially since he is running against someone who is a very central figure in the Democratic Party. I have no doubt that they will support him if he wins the primaries, and they don't seem to be undermining him in any significant way, but they cannot possibly feel the same loyalty to him than they do to Hillary. After all, he does not have a history of membership of, and loyalty to, the Democratic Party.

[Historic NY]

26. Those polls are meaningless since no one has vote in a primary yet...

and the headliners haven't been chosen..... in 45 days we will know one thing the Iowa poll will be a brand new and shiny thing.

[rladdi]

30. Of course Ted Cruz would be leading among the Republicans, he is the most dishonest, untruthful of

all the candidates. Just watch his Senate speeches in 2013 and 2015 on the Senate Floor. IN 2015 he rejects everything he said in 2013 even though he submitted bills for immigration. This was one of his focus subjects in 2013.

[merrily]

31. I believe the takeaway here is that Sanders does better than Clinton in head to head match ups with

Republicans, yet MSNBC hosts (and others) perseverate over how Hillary does in these match ups without mentioning Sanders.

[in_cog_ni_to]

35. kick! n/t

[WillyT]

36. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. kick! n/t

[kenfrequed]

39. Uh...

Isn't this the same outfit that had Hillary beating Bernie?

I wonder whether the Hillary supporters have looked into this one as closely? Or do they automatically dismiss it?


I will reiterate that whatever the results of any of these polls I still contend that they completely over-sample land lines over cell phones. Therefore, even if this poll seems to suggest that Democrats maybe should consider supporting Bernie as the more pragmatic choice, I will still question it's accuracy.

[NCTraveler]

45. How does Clinton match up to Sanders in it? Nt

[MFM008]

54. will vote for nominee

still dont think it will be Sanders, hes still meh to me.