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elleng

(130,740 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:20 AM Dec 2015

How the DNC Just Sabotaged Bernie Sanders’ Campaign in One Devastating Move

'Voters eager to pressure Debbie Wasserman Schultz to reverse her decision can call her office at 202-226-2052, and send emails to info@democrats.org. There’s also a petition circulating demanding Debbie Wasserman Schultz reinstate the Sanders’ campaign’s access to the 50-state voter file, displayed below.'

http://usuncut.com/politics/dnc-sabotages-bernie/

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How the DNC Just Sabotaged Bernie Sanders’ Campaign in One Devastating Move (Original Post) elleng Dec 2015 OP
If DWS keeps this up, no one will vote for Hillary emsimon33 Dec 2015 #1
Oh, she has no idea the WRATH aimed at her and her corrupt party. in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #3
I hope and pray you are right. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #58
I'm sure the Greens are pleased at the potential probable increase in their membership. nt Zorra Dec 2015 #63
They should be! in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #66
I doubt that will be the outcome. elleng Dec 2015 #4
Bernie just got more publicity in one night than he has for his whole campaign. tecelote Dec 2015 #14
That! nt thereismore Dec 2015 #78
How about nobody in Florida voting for DWS for Congress too? aspirant Dec 2015 #6
Sometimes you need a one hit wonder Joseph Cao to clean out the trash jfern Dec 2015 #7
If Bernie is not the nominee, then I shall move to DSW district AND emsimon33 Dec 2015 #9
Huge +1! Enthusiast Dec 2015 #23
No, you won't. Indydem Dec 2015 #25
You can rent! emsimon33 Dec 2015 #84
Lol sure you will rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #54
I work on the Internet so I can live anywhere there is Internet emsimon33 Dec 2015 #85
Good luck with THAT! elleng Dec 2015 #10
I'll keep you updated. emsimon33 Dec 2015 #15
Please please do! VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #19
You need to move your fly swatter more to the left when it swats. emsimon33 Dec 2015 #86
No I dont... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #87
She's securely gerryymandered sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #24
Everyone in her district are corporate Dems? aspirant Dec 2015 #49
I would assume that most of them sulphurdunn Dec 2015 #70
Thank you, elleng. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #2
Bookmarked to call tomorrow! Thank you! n/t in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #5
Not to worry, folks. Bohunk68 Dec 2015 #8
Great suggestion! peacebird Dec 2015 #26
We should help to find some database folks to set up a database and have thousands of volunteers Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #39
Thanks elleng. beam me up scottie Dec 2015 #11
You're welcome. elleng Dec 2015 #12
yes, you are the best! :) nt retrowire Dec 2015 #22
THANKS, retro! eom elleng Dec 2015 #69
Has an official statement been issued by the DNC Chairwoman? Segami Dec 2015 #13
They are refusing to comment AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #50
If this gets out of hand it hurts Hillary as well - Can she keep the country's data secure? newthinking Dec 2015 #16
Hahahahaha VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #18
Are you even serious? workinclasszero Dec 2015 #61
I think she can, but that will be what the pundits will say newthinking Dec 2015 #64
The Sanders campaign did that all on their own... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #17
This is a character test...for Hillary Proserpina Dec 2015 #20
Or for Sanders. Will he demand integrity he is running on from himself and staff, or blame others. seabeyond Dec 2015 #28
I think you already know the answer to that question...Bernie IS integrity Proserpina Dec 2015 #34
SO, no. Door two. Vilify Clinton. Gotcha. seabeyond Dec 2015 #35
Yep newthinking Dec 2015 #65
Exactly workinclasszero Dec 2015 #62
That just happened a few moments ago. Bohunk68 Dec 2015 #72
This is unbelievable. Bernie campaign operatives break the law and you all are pissed at Hillary. upaloopa Dec 2015 #30
There is no law, and that's the problem Proserpina Dec 2015 #36
Because everyone, even Clinton supporters, know that Bernie is clean of this newthinking Dec 2015 #67
Will Sanders release... NCTraveler Dec 2015 #47
when bernie fails to be elected it will be his fault no one else. stonecutter357 Dec 2015 #21
Mhhhmm. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #41
And when the Democratic party starts bleeding away supporters AgingAmerican Dec 2015 #51
How Sanders people sabotaged their campaign, breaking the rules. Nt. seabeyond Dec 2015 #27
LOL BooScout Dec 2015 #29
Unnnnnn, looks like Sanders staff did this to themselves... Not DNC uponit7771 Dec 2015 #31
Meanwhile... RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #33
How about naming and firing the other 3? leftofcool Dec 2015 #44
According the the guy that was fired tammywammy Dec 2015 #48
They're going to repeat that no matter what's presented. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #59
Yeap, and the company called the DNC first.... Sanders staff never initiated a call after seeing the uponit7771 Dec 2015 #79
"Low level staffer" aka The National Data Director Agschmid Dec 2015 #77
Link to the Move On petition RoccoR5955 Dec 2015 #32
It wasn't some "low level staffer." Bloomberg says that the top computer guy, pnwmom Dec 2015 #37
That's "FORMER National Data Director" Proserpina Dec 2015 #38
Sanders diehards are hilarious Tarc Dec 2015 #40
Hacking? Define hacking, because based on this post our definitions are far apart. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #42
Right, DNC is an innocent martyr in all this... *Scoff* U of M Dem Dec 2015 #45
You got caught, therefore there are consequences Tarc Dec 2015 #57
If you are suggesting that I am an adolescent U of M Dem Dec 2015 #71
"No one was caught, Sanders went to the DNC with this" Tarc Dec 2015 #80
It appears that you are calling Senator Sanders the Adolescent and not myself U of M Dem Dec 2015 #81
Pick one workinclasszero Dec 2015 #68
I see the swarm from camp weathervane have their current meme "reaction" decided upon. U of M Dem Dec 2015 #43
Pass the buck. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #46
Yeah who sabotaged it? rjsquirrel Dec 2015 #52
This reminds me of the Acorn thing kenfrequed Dec 2015 #53
Perpetual Victimhood. redstateblues Dec 2015 #55
Emailed EdwardBernays Dec 2015 #56
+1 [nt] Jester Messiah Dec 2015 #83
IT'S A CONSPIRACY I TELLS YA!!! MohRokTah Dec 2015 #60
About the only thing you have said that is true. Bohunk68 Dec 2015 #74
The DNC seems to be inviting Bernie to run as an Independent. Vinca Dec 2015 #73
This is blaming the victim. Nice. moobu2 Dec 2015 #75
I think it was a republican sabotage myself. The last thing we need is Bernie running on an B Calm Dec 2015 #76
I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Ellen Andy823 Dec 2015 #82
I was just reporting, 'news,' Andy, @ 5 this morning !!!, not taking a position elleng Dec 2015 #88

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
3. Oh, she has no idea the WRATH aimed at her and her corrupt party.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:33 AM
Dec 2015

I have a feeling she will find out tomorrow!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
58. I hope and pray you are right.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:25 AM
Dec 2015

This level of corruption and bias is nauseating. And more: it is evil.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
66. They should be!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:59 AM
Dec 2015

Their party is about to become HUGE.

Then the Third Way Party and GOP can finally join forces and be the chums they want to be, instead of putting on this facade of two separate parties for everyone.


PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

elleng

(130,740 posts)
4. I doubt that will be the outcome.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:34 AM
Dec 2015

ANY publicity is GOOD, dontcha know???

The PARTY may be so damaged that, even in the face of a clown repug, Dems have a tough time in the General. And IMAGINE the Dem response to repug vote tampering! Even BETTER than last time!

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
9. If Bernie is not the nominee, then I shall move to DSW district AND
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:37 AM
Dec 2015

actively work against her re-election and suggest that other Bernie volunteers man her phone banks and let her constituents know what a traitor she is.

 

Indydem

(2,642 posts)
25. No, you won't.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:57 AM
Dec 2015

Because if you actually meant that, you'd already have property bought.

He is not going to be the nominee.

Period.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
84. You can rent!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:12 PM
Dec 2015

And he will be the nominee if the Turd Way, neo-liberal, Wall Street puppets in the Party would stop the cheating. They are looking more and more like Republicans in their tactics every day,

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
85. I work on the Internet so I can live anywhere there is Internet
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:16 PM
Dec 2015

I have volunteered for campaigns at my own expense all over the country since I was old enough to travel on my own.

You HRC people have no understanding of how fed up the rest of us are with Turd Way, neo-liberal, Wall Street-controlled "Democratic" candidates, such as HRC.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
70. I would assume that most of them
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:27 PM
Dec 2015

are democrats. Were it otherwise, she would most likely not represent it.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
2. Thank you, elleng.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:32 AM
Dec 2015

I'll be doing both though I am sure she has my emails going directly to trash, already.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
8. Not to worry, folks.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:37 AM
Dec 2015

Look, here is what we do. Go to the local Boards of Election and get the voter lists. They will have names, addresses, phone numbers and party affiliation. I have one of my community sitting right here beside me. Still, do all the things that elleng suggests and don't take the pressure off of DWS and the DNC. Use social media to tell the full story. Now, stop complaining and git out there and get the local lists. We can do this.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
39. We should help to find some database folks to set up a database and have thousands of volunteers
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:24 AM
Dec 2015

access the database online in order to enter the voter data. Bernie's list could be freaking huge. It really would not be to hard a feat.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
11. Thanks elleng.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:38 AM
Dec 2015

You and a few other MOM supporters are being supportive instead of ghouls and I appreciate it.

You guys are keeping it classy as always.


 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
13. Has an official statement been issued by the DNC Chairwoman?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:45 AM
Dec 2015

The Democrats Facebook page is very quiet without a single post regarding this breach.

Does anyone find this to be a bit strange that someone, whoever that is, had the authority to suspend or cut off the Sanders Campaign from accessing the national party’s voter data?

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
16. If this gets out of hand it hurts Hillary as well - Can she keep the country's data secure?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:53 AM
Dec 2015

that will be the tagline.

It behooves the PTB to put a lid on this no matter who they may favor.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
17. The Sanders campaign did that all on their own...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:25 AM
Dec 2015

And why would team M'OM be in support of the cheating?

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
20. This is a character test...for Hillary
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:28 AM
Dec 2015

will she call off her pit bull DWS in the interest of fair and free elections? Will she do the right thing?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. Or for Sanders. Will he demand integrity he is running on from himself and staff, or blame others.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:09 AM
Dec 2015
 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
34. I think you already know the answer to that question...Bernie IS integrity
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:18 AM
Dec 2015

and he has acted not only with integrity, but with the best interest of the country and the Party.

Hillary has yet to demonstrate any of these tendencies.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
30. This is unbelievable. Bernie campaign operatives break the law and you all are pissed at Hillary.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:11 AM
Dec 2015

Bernie's campaign is going up in smoke. In stead of working for Bernie you all are going to FL and attack DWS!

Unbelievable!

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
36. There is no law, and that's the problem
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:19 AM
Dec 2015

There is a Party official who makes it up as she goes along, with her thumb firmly on the scale.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
67. Because everyone, even Clinton supporters, know that Bernie is clean of this
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:00 PM
Dec 2015

And even if this was the incident it is being drummed up to be people will assume it was rogue staff.

Make hay, it is obvious that your hay is political. Nobody believes there is a real scandal here.

stonecutter357

(12,694 posts)
21. when bernie fails to be elected it will be his fault no one else.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 08:33 AM
Dec 2015

Sanders campaign improperly accessed Clinton voter data.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
51. And when the Democratic party starts bleeding away supporters
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:21 AM
Dec 2015

Because of DWS corruption, we lose the general. The only thing that would cause me NOT to vote for her in the general is cheating, and THIS is cheating.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
31. Unnnnnn, looks like Sanders staff did this to themselves... Not DNC
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:12 AM
Dec 2015
Jeff Weaver, the Vermont senator’s campaign manager, acknowledged that a low-level staffer had viewed the information but blamed a software vendor hired by the DNC for a glitch that allowed access. Weaver said one Sanders staffer was fired over the incident.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-sanders-campaign-improperly-accessed-clinton-voter-data/2015/12/17/a2e2e14e-a522-11e5-b53d-972e2751f433_story.html
 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
33. Meanwhile...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:14 AM
Dec 2015

The person on the Sanders campaign got fired for it, and Sanders' office reported it immediately to the DNC!

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
59. They're going to repeat that no matter what's presented.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:31 AM
Dec 2015

If history is any guide. At least you tried.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
79. Yeap, and the company called the DNC first.... Sanders staff never initiated a call after seeing the
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:44 PM
Dec 2015

... data was accessible

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
37. It wasn't some "low level staffer." Bloomberg says that the top computer guy,
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:20 AM
Dec 2015

the National Data Director, Josh Uretsky, himself improperly accessed the data.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251908166

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
40. Sanders diehards are hilarious
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:24 AM
Dec 2015

They get caught hacking, get penalized, and somehow the DNC is at fault for penalizing the transgression?

Actions have consequences, something that the BernieBros don't quite grasp.

U of M Dem

(154 posts)
45. Right, DNC is an innocent martyr in all this... *Scoff*
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:08 AM
Dec 2015
Meanwhile in a parallel universe: Evil Bernie and his team of elite hackers under their guise The BernieBros indiscriminately take advantage of our "hero" The Infallible HRC. The Infallible HRC's eternally righteous supporters within the irrefutably sanctimonious Camp Weathervane are justifiably OUTRAGED! DNC operatives commanded by the High Inquisitor DWS respond with their secret (and only) weapon - Excommunication!

In your dreams bub.

Tarc

(10,472 posts)
57. You got caught, therefore there are consequences
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 11:19 AM
Dec 2015

This is something adolescents seem to struggle with.

U of M Dem

(154 posts)
71. If you are suggesting that I am an adolescent
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:37 PM
Dec 2015

or have the mentality of an adolescent, that is your shame and is a baseless assertion.

This world is neither black nor white. Where you see consequences, I see an incredibly complex intersection of variables sometimes referred to as the sea of gray.

What I suggest you do to bring yourself clarity is take a good look at the facts.

No one was caught, Sanders went to the DNC with this.

Allegations are not proof. Prove that Sander's conspired to steal these documents or attempted to cover this up and I will be right there with you pointing fingers and demanding there be consequences for actions taken.




Tarc

(10,472 posts)
80. "No one was caught, Sanders went to the DNC with this"
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:20 PM
Dec 2015

Ahh, this must be the "as long as I fess up, then it's not a crime!" mentality.

Adolescent indeed, a complete lack of responsibility for one's own actions.

U of M Dem

(154 posts)
81. It appears that you are calling Senator Sanders the Adolescent and not myself
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:46 PM
Dec 2015

for that I am relieved as I now cannot take your related comments seriously.

I now understand that you think a Senator who has worked nearly his whole life in politics and social activism is adolescent-like in his behavior. I patently disagree obviously, but you probably knew that would be the case before you hit Post my reply!


Ahh, this must be the "as long as I fess up, then it's not a crime!" mentality.


Now that we understand this, it is easy to see how this particular issue involving many variables can be summed up in such a simplistic manner. Again, your assertion is baseless and thus trivial.

Of course, your interpretation of Sanders going to the DNC conveniently steers clear of the more complicated variables in the mix.

(From an earlier post of mine relevant to this post)
Did Bernie hack HRC data? No.

Did Bernie carry on as if this access was OK? No.

Did Bernie report the data leak? Yes.

Did Bernie fire the staff who was involved? Yes.

Did Bernie fall into DWS's trap of indefinitely keeping him from a vital campaign resource? If this was premeditated (and it sure looks like it as this is a convenient way to hamstring a campaign), then yes it was a trap. If not, then she should have no trouble being a reasonable human being and reinstate Bernie's access after reporting the flaw.


If you are seriously lock stepping behind the DNC in holding Bernie personally responsible for a DNC IT error, then just admit this and move on. Bernie, in my opinion handled this error professionally by quickly stepping forward to get ahead of this before it "became a thing." It is very suspicious at best, criminal at worst, that it "became a thing," anyway. It is even more suspicious that it this happened in such a hurried fashion from on high by DWS.

I dare you to respond with something substantive. Anything substantive.
 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
68. Pick one
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 12:07 PM
Dec 2015

Last edited Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:19 PM - Edit history (1)

Its the fault of....


1. Hillary
2. DNC
3.DWS
4.MSM
5.Oligarchy

U of M Dem

(154 posts)
43. I see the swarm from camp weathervane have their current meme "reaction" decided upon.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 09:45 AM
Dec 2015

Something along the lines of Bernie did this to himself by breaking the law.



I wish my world were this simplistic, but we all know camp weathervane is a hive mind.

Lets check the facts:

DWS pulled the plug on Bernie's access to the voter file after software bugs from the firewall vendor led to a leak that Bernie's campaign reported to the DNC.

If I were a criminal, I don't think I would report myself to the police after illegally taking advantage of a loophole.



Did Bernie hack HRC data? No.

Did Bernie carry on as if this access was OK? No.

Did Bernie report the data leak? Yes.

Did Bernie fire the staff who was involved? Yes.

Did Bernie fall into DWS's trap of indefinitely keeping him from a vital campaign resource? If this was premeditated (and it sure looks like it as this is a convenient way to hamstring a campaign), then yes it was a trap. If not, then she should have no trouble being a reasonable human being and reinstate Bernie's access after reporting the flaw.

Another Link: Look closely to the words in the article especially Allegedly. Allegedly can be defined as - used to convey that something is claimed to be the case or have taken place, although there is no proof.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
46. Pass the buck.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:10 AM
Dec 2015

Doesn't make a good campaign slogan. Though most of us already recognized he has employed that tactic throughout his career.

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
52. Yeah who sabotaged it?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:32 AM
Dec 2015

Bernie's own people, getting desperate and careless. You can smell it here too.

This is no Dean Scream. The media aren't creating this. I hate the DNC too, but this is the price of unprofessional campaign management.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
53. This reminds me of the Acorn thing
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:32 AM
Dec 2015

Acorn reported bad voter registrations and then got accused of improprieties by republicans to sabotage getting out the vote.

The Sanders campaign reported the holes in security and even fired those they thought might have been accessing the data. And then DWS punishes the entire campaign for the failings of the software.

All on the day before a big debate.


Anyone that pretends that this was justified is full of it.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
56. Emailed
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 10:50 AM
Dec 2015

And I will actively campaign against Hillary until this shit is sorted out.

This is exactly the sort of bullshit that will convince PROGRESSIVES to sit at home on election day.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
73. The DNC seems to be inviting Bernie to run as an Independent.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:34 PM
Dec 2015

If he does he will split the vote. Hello President Trump.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
76. I think it was a republican sabotage myself. The last thing we need is Bernie running on an
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:40 PM
Dec 2015

Independent ticket.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
82. I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one Ellen
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:01 PM
Dec 2015

It was Bernie's staff that devastated his campaign. They should not have done what they did, and Bernie should have come out as soon as he heard about it and apologized, stated all involved will be fired, and say he will do everything he can to help investigate this, and prove that any files download are deleted.

elleng

(130,740 posts)
88. I was just reporting, 'news,' Andy, @ 5 this morning !!!, not taking a position
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:36 PM
Dec 2015

on who is or was to blame. Was surely too early to do such at that hour, and I'm not ready to do it now!

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