I won't pig pile on this Bernie Data Breach thingy.....

[trumad]

Honestly---I don't think it was a concerted effort by team Bernie.

But make no mistake about this---if it was the Hillary campaign that did it---the BS'ers here on DU would be rabid.

[MrWendel]

1. No doubt about it. Since the news broke...

[ejbr]

2. That's nice of you

But considering the consequences, do you need to? Similar to the absence of significant complaint about the debate schedule: if it is detrimental to another candidate then why bother?

[Cha]

3. Nothing's wrong.. they fired their national data director, Josh Uretsky for nothing.

And, yes, if it had been Hillary and she fired her national data director.. they wouldn't be sitting back and saying .. let's give Hillary the benefit of the doubt. LOL

[ejbr]

4. No

But DWS would. And which matters more? Us or her?

[joshcryer]

5. trumad's right though.

And he'd say the same thing if it was the other way around.

It's possible to be the people on the sidelines who don't resort to irrational arguments to score points.

Apparently they're doing a full audit, btw, so if it turns out some Clinton staffers curiously accessed Sanders or O'Malley data then everyone cheering about this is going to look stupid.

[Cha]

6. Why did they fire Josh Uretsky?

[joshcryer]

7. A vote model was downloaded.

That takes it from "we were snooping" to "we were getting data." That's a firing offense. He may well not have been the one who did it personally but could have taken the fall for it.

Someone had to lose their job for downloading data.

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. aka Cheating

[Hortensis]

31. Also, he instructed 3 others to access forbidden data!

This info comes from the Sanders campaign. That's kind of a biggie, right?. I'm sure access will be restored quickly.

[NurseJackie]

9. It's difficult too imagine the level ...

... of apoplexy that would be coming from the Bernie camp, but not impossible.

[Cha]

17. All the stops would be

pulled!

[treestar]

23. Immediately there would be a post saying Hillary was behind it

and ordered her national data director to do it!

[stonecutter357]

8. K&R!

[ronnykmarshall]

10. Oh hell yes

Just take a look here in GD-B. It's already being spun to attack Hillary.

[SidDithers]

12. GD-B!...

That's perfect.

Sid

[leftofcool]

15. Yep, Hillary set the whole thing up.

[treestar]

22. yes, I've seen it described as a character test

for HILLARY!!!

[Betty Karlson]

41. And rightly so.

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DWS and her latest supposedly clever stunt have shown the DNC in all its ugly bias.

I for one, dearly hope DINO-Debbie has overplayed her hand with this one.

[ronnykmarshall]

45. That's nice honey

[BlueMTexpat]

11. Thanks for your OP.

I concur. I do not believe that it was a concerted effort by the Sanders campaign.

But if the shoe were on the other foot, sheesh!

[Tarc]

13. Indeed, this is the hypocrisy laid bare

If this was reversed, someone in the Clinton camp hacking into files that they shouldn't be, it'd be a +200 upvote hitting the main DU page right now.

[Cali_Democrat]

40. Probably more like 400 recs. nt

[Roland99]

14. Ah, strawmen arguments. So strong and well-founded

NOT

[beerandjesus]

16. Good comment on the situation, and I agree.

And so you know, this is coming from Team Bernie!

[Helen Borg]

18. Nice Dean scream attempt!

But it won't work!

[Capt. Obvious]

19. I've been missing your meta posts

[Hiraeth]

24. So this one should be a feast for your eyes.

[DFW]

20. That is one fire that is not in need of more gasoline

I suspect you're right, but I think this is one flame better left to die on its own.

[Hiraeth]

25. ha! Trumad the Pyromaniac leave a flame unattended? Dream on.

[DFW]

35. That kind of comment doesn't distinguish itself radically from the one it was trashing, IMHO.

Look, people, in a week, I'm going to a thing where I'll be butting heads with Richard Viguerie, for Pete's sake. If the name doesn't ring a bell, look him up. He is the Prince of Darkness politically, and he sees me in the same light. Still, he pats me on the back, and we talk civilly about stuff, even politics. He and I are at ends of the spectrum so far from each other, it's hard to believe we're from the same planet. He knows full well where I stand, and the whole world knows where he stands. If we can sit at a table at breakfast and not toss crap like this at each other, you'd think people who all purport to be Democrats might make more of an effort to do likewise.

But I guess not. I refer to a post I made in the Spring of 2008: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3369762&mesg_id=3369762

Same old, same old.

[Hiraeth]

36. How's the weather up there on your high horse? sheesh.

[DFW]

38. A lot cleaner than down there in the sewer, I'll bet.

Jedem das Seine.

[Hiraeth]

42. Well, honestly you saw fit to post in this thread. If you really agreed with what

you said you should have just bypassed this thread.

Instead your actions belie your words and, I find it to be somewhat hypocritical on your part.

However, please do Continue with the chastisement as I find it mildly amusing.

[treestar]

21. +1 million

You are absolutely right! It would be considered evidence of corruption!

The attempt to make this someone else's fault is hilarious! Admit the guy screwed up and got fired! How much does that take? much easier than abusing all logic.

[Bubzer]

27. This is still a pig pile, just with another target.

Instead of going after Bernie, you went after a hillary supporter's next favorite whipping-boy: his supporters.

[merrily]

28. There have been plenty of rabid posts already, though not from you personally.

However, DU is, by and large irrelevant.

I firmly believe that, if the Hillary campaign had done that, the DNC would not have been anywhere near as punitive. Prompt firing the person responsible would like have settled the matter to DWS's satisfaction.

As it stands now, the DNC and the Hillary and O"Malley campaigns can access info that the Sanders campaign itself generated and fed into the DNC system, but the Sanders campaign cannot. That's bullshit.

[RoccoR5955]

29. So why is the DNC not firing the data company

who caused the breach?
Whether or not it was intentional, I have seen DP people fired for less, and I have 26 years experience in the field.

[Hiraeth]

37. That is a good question.

[LiberalArkie]

30. Might I interject that the Sanders group notified NGP-VAN months ago about the problem

Snip
I wonder if anyone else Clinton or O'Malley made the effort to notify the software company about the bug to get it corrected.

In a statement, Michael Briggs, a spokesman for the Sanders campaign told the Guardian the issue was the result of systemic failures by NGP-VAN. “Sadly, the vendor who runs the DNC’s voter file program continues to make serious errors,” said Briggs. “On more than one occasion, the vendor has dropped the firewall between the data of different Democratic campaigns. Our campaign months ago alerted the DNC to the fact that campaign data was being made available to other campaigns. At that time our campaign did not run to the media, relying instead on assurances from the vendor.”

He added of Wednesday’s incident: “Unfortunately, yesterday, the vendor once again dropped the firewall between the campaigns for some data. After discussion with the DNC it became clear that one of our staffers accessed some modeling data from another campaign. That behavior is unacceptable and that staffer was immediately fired. We are as interested as anyone in making sure that the software flaws are corrected since mistakes by the DNC’s vendor also have made our records vulnerable. We are working with the DNC and the vendor and hope that this kind of lapse will not occur again.”

Snip

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/18/democrats-punish-bernie-sanders-campaign-following-clinton-data-breach

[redstateblues]

32. Perpetual Victimhood

There is a contingent of BSers who always need something to be angry about. I guess that is to be expected when the leader is always angry.

[Renew Deal]

33. Agree

[Gothmog]

34. If the Clinton campaign had been caught doing this, I would be very very mad

Cheating is wrong

[workinclasszero]

39. The scream for Hillary's blood

would be absolutely deafening on the Bernie Underground, no doubt about it!

[ismnotwasm]

43. I agree

I don't think Sanders campaign workers were attempting to do anything "wrong". If this was Hillary's campign the level of hysteria would be deafening. If Hillary's campaign was suspended from data, there would be great joy.

For me, I want the suspension ended immediately--I'm assuming it's part of a protocol--but still, and I'm am one of the last people who would "stick up for" Sanders--even I think it's bullshit.

I have a huge problem with conspiracy theory politics though. These "Hillary did it" threads are tedious. Fortunately I don't have to participate.

[trumad]

44. Good post

Fact is: it is GD-B here as somebody up above cleverly noted. This would have dominated this forum today and for the next week if Hillary's camp pulled this.