2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe Gloves are OFF! Looks like Bernie has had enough of the DNC BUllshit`
DNC phone Number 202-803-xxx
They must be in PANIC mode to pull Bullshit like this!
Bernie's people told the DNS about this in October
I'm having serious second thoughts about holding my nose and voting for hillary if she get the nomination. If the fucking democrats have fallen off the edge like this - what is the fucking point?
And save the BS about the right wing boogie man and the SCOTUS.
Pulling this shit the day before the rigged debate? Fuck 'em
Has the Choice really become Fascist or fascist lite?
Edit: Turns out that was a bad phone number - sorry bout that - HERE try this:
BTW - Just in case you want to tell DWS what you think of this crap
Here's a good tip from a FB poster on another site:
"Regarding phone calls to the DNC, call their cash donation line instead. That number is 877-336-7200. Calling this number forces live staff to deal with you, and keeps them from getting a donation call at the same time. You can use the call to tell them why you are refusing to donate. Let them know that you won't donate another dime until they get rid of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as DNC chair. They will take notes. They guy who took my message even seemed embarrassed and seemed to agree. Call now, operators standing by."
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)I think someday you're going to look back on this and wish you'd done it differently.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)got em dead to rights!
Its not the crime....its the coverup!
"fascist or fascist lite"
There is the Sanders problem RIGHT there in a nutshell and why his staffers think they were justified!
Democrats do NOT say that about OTHER Democrats!
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)DWS is going to need a few hours to get into full CYA mode...she needs to lawyer up first! Maybe she could ask Senator Clinton for some pro bono advice?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)lots of it...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)Wasserman Schultz was campaign co-chair for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.
Nathaniel Pearlman (vendor) was chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.
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The DNC is responsible for the data breach. The vendor should be fired.
Where is the outrage over the incompetent handling of sensitive data?!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)How very Glen Beck and Alex Jones of you....they are all about the conspiracies man!
tecelote
(5,122 posts)I asked...
Where is the outrage over the incompetent handling of sensitive data?!
The DNC is responsible for the data breach. The vendor should be fired. DWS should be fired.
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Take the names to mean what you want.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)the SANDERS campaign is responsible for the breach...THEY downloaded them....they were under no obligation to do that...they could have just looked at it...but NOOOOO they got greedy...they got sloppy...and downloaded the data....
Do you take candy from the checkout lane, eat it and claim it was the stores fault for tempting you?
tecelote
(5,122 posts)The Sanders campaign was not responsible for the breach, the vendors admits that. The DNC and the Vendor are responsible for poor security protocol. That's an undisputed fact.
This is not candy. A better example is if your bank let someone access your account information. You'd be mad.
The DNC and NGP VAN are grossly negligent and legally liable. Maybe the sanders campaign. But that's yet to be proven.
The DNC and NGP VAN's incompetence should be dealt with.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Its what they did with it....the breach wasn't criminal activity....
tecelote
(5,122 posts)They reported it like an honest person would.
Giving access of critical information to outside parties is serious whether you like to admit it or not.
If this was nefarious, why did they reach out first?
demwing
(16,916 posts)Main phone number: 202-863-8000
Triana
(22,666 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)What hubris!
cprise
(8,445 posts)How convenient.
Its interesting that after the Sanders' campaign's initial complaints, the DNC and their longtime vendor are accepting no responsibility for the situation.
They just insinuate that data naturally gets exposed while patching a system - cuz dat's howe dem tings werrrk.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)From what we know, though, only one campaign took advantage of that. Perhaps we'll find out otherwise later, but I feel constricted only to discussing facts at hand.
I don't know who's taking responsibility for what as pertains to the database. At this point, however, we do know that only one campaign is admitting to breaching the data of another. That the same campaign has the unmitigated gall to allege malfeasance on the part of anyone else is despicable.
beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)It's cumbersome and inelegant, but if you're a Democrat, you're stuck with it--and stuck with paying a LOT for it.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)It's rented to the campaigns should they choose to use it, but nothing stops any campaign from using another data source, including their own. Supposedly, the Sanders campaign noted a breach months ago, yet continued to use the service.
It should also be noted, BTW, that the Sanders campaign availed themselves of it while not members of the DNC. That's hubris+
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OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Bye.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)enough is enough.....
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)the Democratic Party provides its candidates but doesn't want to play by rules. Many people over the years have supported and worked for the Democratic Party. Sanders is in the wrong here.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)??????
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Sanders reported it...so that was in the wrong. Fired the staffer...so that was in the wrong, too.
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Politicub
(12,165 posts)An acquaintance of an invited guest steals from the host.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)to advise on polling.
Sam
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)looks like its actually blowing up in some people's faces...
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)She is a loose cannon and the Democratic party can't take much more of her incompetence.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Right after they get the FBI to investigate criminal activity in his campaign.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/da7e5f2765814506a2519ea03055c1e6/dnc-barring-sanders-team-accessing-data-after-breach
arcane1
(38,613 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Sanders' campaign did that.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)With practice, you might get good enough at it to fool stupid people
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)so funny! Funny to watch their little dance!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)"Whatever It Takes(tm)"
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)bet on that!
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)If it were Clinton the story wouldn't have been leaked and she wouldn't have been denied access to her data.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)If it were Clinton
Team Berner....would be apoplectic!
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Let's just see if, during discovery in his court case, whatever expert examines the Vote Builder files finds that Clinton's campaign did even more than that.
As of the second Sander's filed the court case, I believe Van, the DNC and everyone else involved would be prohibited from destroying evidence.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)best way to make it happen.
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Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)I have said for months that I will vote for HRC if she wins the nomination. But if it turns out that DWS is behind this, I will join the growing ranks of Democrats who say they will never, under any circumstances, vote for Hillary. I have had enough of this bullshit!
artislife
(9,497 posts)I think there's a lot of movement afoot. Both parties are going through it. Could be the best thing in the long run.
tasgator
(8 posts)I'd be living like a Wall Street Banker. Please, all Bernie supporters who feel the same, stay home in November 2016. Or vote Trump or Cruz, whomever you find on the other side of the ballot. Frankly, Sanders isn't a Democrat, refuses to register to vote as a Democrat, and I've never figured out why they are letting him run to be the nominee of MY Democratic Party. He is a Socialist and he should be running on that ticket. The fact the DNC and state parties are letting him even run shows how far they have bent over backwards to appease him and there is nothing they will ever be able to do to keep his supporters(the ones who stayed home anyway in 2010, 2012, 2014) happy when he loses. Buh-Bye!!!!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the veil is officially removed. collusion is obvious.
its on.
2h2 hours ago
Positively Joan ?@PositivelyJoan
DNC Clinton lies & setup vs #Bernie?! Nathaniel Pearlman founder of @TheDemocrats NGP Software was Chief technology officer for Clinton 2008
arcane1
(38,613 posts)MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)The vendor used to work for Hillary, DWS was co-campaign chair for Hillary in 2008...seems to be a pattern here.
Ya think???
senz
(11,945 posts)At least we have some idea how low they will go.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)we ain't seen nothing yet. With apologies to BTO.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)5 minutes ago,suing the democratic party during the democratic primary is a great idea,is truly delusional.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)My guess is that Bernie will come out better for this.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)The Morning Plum's Greg Sargent has an article up saying the DNC needs to restore his campaign's access now.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)won't play well with democratic voters. I guess we'll see soon enough.
cali
(114,904 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Good job.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Bernie wants to use the Democratic Party to give his 3rd Party run some legitimacy but he doesn't want to play by the rules all the other real Democrats agreed to.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)See my siggy
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)And what's a real Democrat?
moobu2
(4,822 posts)He said himself that the only way he had any chance of winning the presidency is if he ran as a Democrat and not as a 3rd party candidate like Ralph Nadar did, He said that himself using almost the exact words.. and that's why he's running as a Democrat now. Bernie Sanders isn't a real Democrat, he's just using the Democratic Party structure for his own purposes. That's why he doesn't want to play by the rules all the others are playing by.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Some keep saying this but it sounds meaningless.
He ran as a democrat specifically not to be a spoiler against beating Republicans.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)Bernie did say that he wouldn't run as an independent <later> if he didn't win the Democratic primary and become a spoiler for the Republicans in that respect, but, he stated that he was running as a Democrat originally and specifically because he couldn't win if he didn't. Bernie Sanders said no one could win as a 3rd party candidate and used Ralph Nadar as an example. A reporter then asked him if he didn't win the Democratic primary would he consider a run as an Independent and that's when he said that he would not do that and become a spoiler. As far as what the rules are..The DNC makes the rules for the primary and Bernie Sanders is consistently behind Hillary Clinton in the polls, so the Bernie Sanders campaign wants to add more debates and wants special treatment to access his opponents proprietary information without consequences and other stuff.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)requires you be one to get on their ticket...UNTIL then he was NOT a Democrat....he had to go on TV to say "I am a Democrat Now" to make it so...
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Nobody has a good answer to this.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)he wasn't....
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Please stick to the truth.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)You got that right and I am mighty suspicious about this data breech.
I wonder if Bernie's national data director Josh Uretsky is just falling on his sword to protect someone hmm????
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Is that like a "Real Man"? "Real Coke"? "Real Fact"? "Real Reality"?
moobu2
(4,822 posts)and act accordingly.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Rules? Laws? Oaths? Ceremonies? Rites? Secret handshakes?
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Parties are more fun when people think for themselves.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Bernie said he never saw himself as a "liberal Democrat", unlike we real liberal Democrats.
He needs to play by the party rules if he wants to be part of the party.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Disgusting.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Bernie not a Democrat? Ha! He's more of a Democrat than some of the DINOs that we have (s)elected to Congress.
Maybe the DNC is really DINONC? Hmmm......
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What part of this do you not understand OP?
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Now they are calling Hilary "fascist-lite".
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)are the most blinded for sure!
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)Bernie is a man of the people and the light of the future. HC/DWS/DNC= same old corrupt politics of yesterday.
mythology
(9,527 posts)The Sanders people didn't just poke in and realize what it was and back out. They spent time searching the database.
In the end it's not a big deal, but the staff did this intentionally based on the available evidence.
Even though the vendor screwed up, the Sanders staff knew to not do this.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)DNC about the problem 2 months ago. Guilty people do not report the problem.
Faux pas
(14,703 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)The DNC is destroying the party.
I will most likely end my relationship with the Democratic Party and register Independent after the Iowa caucuses.
As a lifelong Democrat who has volunteered during several caucus seasons, served as a precinct captain and supported Dems my whole life--it is painful to feel ashamed of the DNC and abandoned by my party.
Runningdawg
(4,527 posts)I WILL vote for whoever gets the nomination FOR THE LAST TIME. However over the next four years, I will be letting the DNC know they need to step up their game or I am gone.
pa28
(6,145 posts)Not very smart if Hillary is assured of winning anyway is it?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Nitram
(22,945 posts)Blame anybody but Bernie!
demwing
(16,916 posts)Nothing Hillary does is EVER her fault. This makes me SICK.
Nitram
(22,945 posts)Talk about denial...
WillyT
(72,631 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)beaglelover
(3,496 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,506 posts)Thanks for the thread, Ferd Berfel.
angryvet
(181 posts)don't even think of holding your nose and voting...just vote!
The only thing she might protect is choice but she will not do anything about citizen United or anything else of importance
senz
(11,945 posts)She's already shown her hand.
We make our choice NOW, in the primary.
After the primary, it's too late.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Sorry, you guys tried this already. Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsberg, and Kagan were all nominated by Democratic presidents you've condemned as DLC DNC DWS Turd Way wargle bargle--and were the only judges to vote against Citizens United.
Sorry, but no.
senz
(11,945 posts)Her heart is NOT in the right place. Qualitatively different.
And I'm not "you guys." I voted for Bill Clinton and worked on the Obama re-election campaign.
I see you're wearing your "O'Malley supporter" disguise today.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)when it suits you.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)and the O'Malley avatar I started using in November when he released the single most comprehensive veterans platform out of everyone in the race.
I support O'Malley, then Clinton, then Sanders. Take your conspiracy bullshit elsewhere. Your candidate got caught again in a fuckup created by his own staff, and yet again, he's blaming everyone else but his staff for it.
I completely understand why you want the topic to be anything but that.
senz
(11,945 posts)I noticed your username because you were making some of the most ugly comments about Sanders, and was surprised you had an O'Malley avatar, because they're usually well-behaved and easy to talk to.
Then, about an hour later, you were commenting with the same username but using the avatar that looks like a space photo of the side of the earth. That's a pretty quick switcheroo. Now you're using the O'Malley avatar.
But if you care about veterans, you won't go wrong with Sanders. Hillary could care less, because the enlisted personnel who come home depleted and injured are not in the class of people she serves and represents. If you don't know that, then I doubt either your concern for veterans or your knowledge of Hillary and Bernie respectively, or both.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Because I've only ever had two avatars. I typically post from my phone, so I don't even particularly care about them.
O'Malley has the most comprehensive policy for veterans I've seen out of all three of the candidates. Sanders' veterans policy proposal is absolute weak sauce. Frankly, his time as chair of SVAC was questionable, and groups like IAVA--which I'm a member of personally--aren't impressed.
You don't seem to understand veterans issues outside of what you read on FeelTheBern.
Fed up in NJ
(35 posts).... surprise.... The Democratic Party (in spite of DWS) is evolving and moving farther left. Being in the middle to appease Rethuglicans has gotten our country NOWHERE and that is EXACTLY where Hillary Clinton sits. In the middle and, when it comes to trade policies and many other fronts that she has flipped on to try to win the nomination, to the right of center!!!! Just as the RNC has moved farther and farther to the right, we have moved farther and farther to the left because we are Fed up with corporatist leadership! We want to bring the left back to the left where FDR sat, not Obama or the Clintons sit!
senz
(11,945 posts)Some have gone Republican Lite -- "Third Way" Corporate bought and corporate owned. http://www.thirdway.org/
The rest of us will remain Democrats, loyal to what the Party became in the early to mid 20th century: average Americans, working people, government of, by, and for the people.
It's time for the Third Way to form its own party, because THEY ARE NOT DEMOCRATS.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)to really go after Hillary. Bernie doesn't need to run negative ads. But he should hammer her hard on all her wishy-washy stances she's been dancing around. If there are only three debates left after tomorrow, Bernie needs to make the most of it.
Look what playing nice has done for him. Since he's fighting the DNC, Third Way, HRC and all those super delegates, I say hit her as hard as he can. Time to put Hill on the defensive because she doesn't handle criticism well and she'll lose her composure. When voters see her squirm on stage, you'll see her poll numbers begin to plummet.
riversedge
(70,413 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)It could mean that they're using the stolen data.
And let's not mince words. Steal is the right term.
He's not even a democrat. This is like inviting someone into your home and then them stealing from you just because you left your jewelry box open.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I heard he's not a Christian too!
senz
(11,945 posts)so you can put that entity in the White House, come hell or high water, the American People be damned.
Like dancing the limbo, hm?
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Will you let DU know that, even with your sneaky suspicions and reckless accusations, that the Sanders campaign apparently did NOT steal your information?
Seems like the right thing to do for an upstanding and honest democrat .... Honesty is the best policy, after all ... Right?
Am I right, here? .........
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's very important we all take a step back and point our fingers in such a way as to avoid any self-reflection-- and trumpet irrelevant, yet colorful allegations such as fascist as we do so.
Failure to do so may compel us to be objective and hold both candidates to the same standards.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Isn't some kind of law being broken? It just seems so completely un-American.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)"Good for Bernie. The DNC is nothing more than an arm for the Clinton campaign."
senz
(11,945 posts)if you feel like doing it.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)JPnoodleman
(454 posts)If the DNC cannot respect the campaigns and the voting public, I'm out.
I mean to the GOP's credit they are at least smart enough to not try these heavy handed tricks to get their favorite choice.
Is a little respect for the voters too much to ask from DWS and Hillary?
F' it. I've seen enough Mad Max movies to be ready for the Trumpocolypse.
Tarc
(10,478 posts)The number of petulant Sanders supporters in this vein will be vanishingly small, so rest assured that your non-vote will not affect the well-being of the nation.
JPnoodleman
(454 posts)Good to know my vote is worthless and always has been.
What a time to be alive.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)In this corner, a past Golden Gloves champion.
In the other corner, a veteran main event contender.
A no-holds-barred battle until one or the other is KO-ed.
On Pay-Per-View Only Event!
Tarc
(10,478 posts)The Sanders camp had its hand caught in the cookie jar, and now cry about repercussions.
Millennials...
OhDemMom
(11 posts)Wrong phone number 1-202-863-8000
PoliticalMalcontent
(449 posts)Sanders fans tearing down the DNC. Clinton fans tearing down Sanders.
Whose fault is it? Seems there's plenty of blame to go around. To Sanders' credit it's not like he told his staffer to access exposed Clinton data (most probably anyway). To Sanders' credit he fired the staffer who ordered people to take a look in inappropriate areas while the firewall was down. Still... I can't help but think that this is an overreaction from the DNC. If this was a Clinton staffer doing the same thing would the DNC have shut off her access to voter files? I doubt it, but we'll never know for sure.
Supposedly, the vendor was made aware of this flaw months ago. They should be held accountable as well.
Interestingly, when asked for comments on this whole ordeal Clinton's campaign declined. Why? It could be out of respect. It could be waiting for more information to come out. Or.... perhaps because this could boomerang back on her. The head of the vendor in question (NGP VAN) was also the Chief Technoloy Officer for the Clinton campaign in 2008. To be honest, Clinton's track record with digital security has been less than stellar. I'm sure she doesn't want people talking about her own issues digital issues, especially with her tied to NGP VAN.
Anyway... It seems like Sanders has taken the appropriate actions and if the DNC doesn't fix this soon they risk pissing off a lot of people. I've voted (nearly) straight democrat all my years in voting... The DNC is really making me reconsider that (Thanks, Debbie!).