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Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:25 PM Dec 2015

The Gloves are OFF! Looks like Bernie has had enough of the DNC BUllshit`

DNC phone Number 202-803-xxx


They must be in PANIC mode to pull Bullshit like this!

Bernie's people told the DNS about this in October

I'm having serious second thoughts about holding my nose and voting for hillary if she get the nomination. If the fucking democrats have fallen off the edge like this - what is the fucking point?

And save the BS about the right wing boogie man and the SCOTUS.

Pulling this shit the day before the rigged debate? Fuck 'em

Has the Choice really become Fascist or fascist lite?

Edit: Turns out that was a bad phone number - sorry bout that - HERE try this:

BTW - Just in case you want to tell DWS what you think of this crap

Here's a good tip from a FB poster on another site:

"Regarding phone calls to the DNC, call their cash donation line instead. That number is 877-336-7200. Calling this number forces live staff to deal with you, and keeps them from getting a donation call at the same time. You can use the call to tell them why you are refusing to donate. Let them know that you won't donate another dime until they get rid of Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as DNC chair. They will take notes. They guy who took my message even seemed embarrassed and seemed to agree. Call now, operators standing by."




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The Gloves are OFF! Looks like Bernie has had enough of the DNC BUllshit` (Original Post) Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 OP
Bernie's campaign admitted fault. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #1
And fired someone. Agschmid Dec 2015 #15
Rose colored glasses much? MrMickeysMom Dec 2015 #65
Bull droppings. senz Dec 2015 #105
Report: Sanders campaign told DNC of data issue months ago Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #142
Good luck with that.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #2
There is no cover-up, yet Proserpina Dec 2015 #70
there is on DU... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #77
You were saying???? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #78
There's this... tecelote Dec 2015 #111
Conspiracy Theories... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #112
I didn't mention any conspiracy. tecelote Dec 2015 #114
Your entire premise is one... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #117
Funny. tecelote Dec 2015 #125
The breach is not the issue is it? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #126
What did they do with it? tecelote Dec 2015 #128
there are not enough digits in your phone # demwing Dec 2015 #3
. . . Triana Dec 2015 #4
This is the same DNC that provided them a tool for analyzing data? OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #8
Also a tool for exposing their own data. cprise Dec 2015 #95
A tool, then, for exposing each campaign's data. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #102
Nope. It's a very expensive tool, and there's no alternative to it. beerandjesus Dec 2015 #120
No campaign is forced to use it. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #129
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #138
Okay. OilemFirchen Dec 2015 #140
Nicely done UglyGreed Dec 2015 #14
Sanders wants access to the umbrella that Skidmore Dec 2015 #17
Which rules? Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #36
Oh, sorry...we're not playing by the HRC rules. Hepburn Dec 2015 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #69
That's the root of the problem Politicub Dec 2015 #91
. . . Triana Dec 2015 #46
This is going to backfire on them bigtime. When did they hire Carl Rove? litlbilly Dec 2015 #5
Yup! fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #11
It appears to be backfiring already. n/t Hepburn Dec 2015 #12
Probably about the same time they brought back Mark Penn Samantha Dec 2015 #68
backfiring you say? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #79
Yep the exploding septic tank is splattering Debbie in the face. JimDandy Dec 2015 #121
Aint that the sad truth Ferd Berfel Dec 2015 #143
Time to pull his name off the ballots and eject him from the party MohRokTah Dec 2015 #6
LOL you are jumping the shark with another shark arcane1 Dec 2015 #7
Who STOLE data that represents "millions of dollars in Clinton Campaign investments"? MohRokTah Dec 2015 #10
Play that role! arcane1 Dec 2015 #13
who are you calling foolish now? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #80
LOL! Matariki Dec 2015 #20
They'll be demanding Sanders be thrown in jail by the end of the day. arcane1 Dec 2015 #22
You all sure as shit would if it were Clinton VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #81
Feh... kenfrequed Dec 2015 #98
Not Feh.... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #110
I would bet Clinton's camp did. This bug Sanders reported 2 MONTHS AGO was a feature not a flaw. JimDandy Dec 2015 #108
Great idea if you're trying to guarantee that Trump will be President for the next four years. Dawgs Dec 2015 #28
....run Hillary against tRump..... daleanime Dec 2015 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2015 #71
I either love your sense of humor or am wowed by your cognitive dissonance. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #109
Kick ass, Bernie! fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #9
This feels like the great schism.. artislife Dec 2015 #73
If I had a nickle every time I heard that one... tasgator Dec 2015 #123
the vendor used to work for hillary restorefreedom Dec 2015 #16
Surely a coincidence, right? Isn't it always? arcane1 Dec 2015 #26
HA!!! MynameisBlarney Dec 2015 #93
Setup to trick bkkyosemite Dec 2015 #38
Wow MissDeeds Dec 2015 #131
We are certainly seeing them for whom they are now. senz Dec 2015 #18
I get the feeling.... daleanime Dec 2015 #51
I hope it wakes people up to the reality of Wasserman-Shultz and the DNC Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #19
Anyone who thinks Bernie Sanders,who was an independent up until sufrommich Dec 2015 #21
We'll see. Dawgs Dec 2015 #24
The DNC just ratfucked him. What do you expect him to do in response? nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #42
I don't know if that's how it will play cali Dec 2015 #45
There's no doubt in my mind that this sufrommich Dec 2015 #47
It depends. cali Dec 2015 #50
Right. The DNC trying to rig the primary in favor of their chosen candidate will not play well. Ed Suspicious Dec 2015 #75
Just about to post something similar and couldn't have said it as well. Dawgs Dec 2015 #23
Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat is what the problem is. moobu2 Dec 2015 #25
I heard he's not a Christian either. arcane1 Dec 2015 #29
You nailed it to the wall workinclasszero Dec 2015 #30
Which rules? Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #37
Bernie has been a professional politician for basically his entire life as an Indipendent. moobu2 Dec 2015 #43
I still don't know what rules you are talking about. Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #44
That isn't true about his reasons for running as a Democrat moobu2 Dec 2015 #49
Bernie HAD to become a Democrat ONLY because the state rules of New Hampshire VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #82
Wtf is a real democrat? Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #85
Well until Sanders said "I am a Democrat NOW" in New Hampshire the day he signed on to the ballot VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #86
What does it mean? Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #90
"Later" is a lie. He said it before he even decided to officially run. arcane1 Dec 2015 #96
"Bernie Sanders isn't a real Democrat, he's just using the Democratic Party structure" workinclasszero Dec 2015 #55
Query: What's a "real Democrat"? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #54
Well, a real Democrat would be someone who has a history of being a member of that Party moobu2 Dec 2015 #61
Accordingly to what? Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #67
Thanks Voice for Peace Dec 2015 #94
I guess "thinking for themselves" bars them from being Real Democrats. Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #100
Boom! Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #57
The invited guest who steals from his host Politicub Dec 2015 #88
And he's not a man either. Or old. Or balding. mwooldri Dec 2015 #89
Bernie admitted fault workinclasszero Dec 2015 #27
They don't. They are as blind as the Trumpites. Dawson Leery Dec 2015 #53
The not willing to see workinclasszero Dec 2015 #59
Nothing "lite" about it. Fuddnik Dec 2015 #63
That's for sure. nt artislife Dec 2015 #74
Hopefully this will wake up the people NowSam Dec 2015 #31
You would be hopping mad if Clinton's team did this mythology Dec 2015 #32
How do you know that they poked around? They had told the jwirr Dec 2015 #103
K N R Faux pas Dec 2015 #33
The DNC is driving Democrats away!!! CoffeeCat Dec 2015 #34
I feel the same Runningdawg Dec 2015 #58
K&R jwirr Dec 2015 #104
The DNC is doing a great job alienating Bernie supporters with their stacked-deck primary. pa28 Dec 2015 #35
Unless the anointed change, the choice is now Mussolini or Rove. nt mhatrw Dec 2015 #39
BABB! Nitram Dec 2015 #40
projection over introspection demwing Dec 2015 #84
Wait a minute. Isn't this about Bernie supporters trying to say it's not Bernie's fault? Nitram Dec 2015 #115
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2015 #41
Always the angry victims. Amazing redstateblues Dec 2015 #60
Drama much! beaglelover Dec 2015 #52
Schultz and her DNC clan are in a panic. Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #62
It's the supreme court stupid angryvet Dec 2015 #64
Why artislife Dec 2015 #76
You don't think she'll stack the Court for Wall St.? senz Dec 2015 #92
No, because that's not how it works. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #101
This is different. Hillary is NOT Obama. senz Dec 2015 #107
No disguise. One doesn't have to be a Clinton supporter to see this bullshit for what it is. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #116
Oh its bullshit that they downloaded all that material? VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #119
Yeah, I love the way you trade out the O'Malley avatar senz Dec 2015 #127
I've had two avatars here ever, the one i used when I registered in 2010 NuclearDem Dec 2015 #132
A few weeks ago senz Dec 2015 #139
Then you're confusing me with someone else. NuclearDem Dec 2015 #146
Those above who bitch and moan that Bernie isn't a real Democrat.... Fed up in NJ Dec 2015 #66
The Democratic Party is splitting in half senz Dec 2015 #118
This might be an opportune time floriduck Dec 2015 #72
I called earlier and asked them to stay strong and I support the DNC. riversedge Dec 2015 #83
If I get an email from the Sanders campaign Politicub Dec 2015 #87
I'll take the "not even a Democrat" over "not even a progressive" every time. arcane1 Dec 2015 #99
Ooo, you REALLY want to get him out of the way senz Dec 2015 #137
And if you DON'T get an email from the Sanders campaign ... Trajan Dec 2015 #144
It's very important we all take a step back and point our fingers... LanternWaste Dec 2015 #97
Yeah, I'm pretty fed up. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2015 #106
Jim Webb agress with Bernie..."The DNC is nothing more than an arm for the Clinton campaign." raindaddy Dec 2015 #113
Honey, that could make a very fine OP senz Dec 2015 #122
Go ahead and use it if you like senz.. raindaddy Dec 2015 #124
I won't vote for Hillary, PERIOD after this. JPnoodleman Dec 2015 #130
It doesn't matter Tarc Dec 2015 #136
The glorious DNC, were democratic voters don't matter. JPnoodleman Dec 2015 #141
Bare Knuckles Boxing Match MineralMan Dec 2015 #133
The DNC is not panicking in the slightest Tarc Dec 2015 #134
DNC OhDemMom Dec 2015 #135
I'm disappointed. PoliticalMalcontent Dec 2015 #145
 

senz

(11,945 posts)
105. Bull droppings.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:48 PM
Dec 2015

I think someday you're going to look back on this and wish you'd done it differently.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
2. Good luck with that....
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:26 PM
Dec 2015

got em dead to rights!

Its not the crime....its the coverup!

"fascist or fascist lite"

There is the Sanders problem RIGHT there in a nutshell and why his staffers think they were justified!

Democrats do NOT say that about OTHER Democrats!

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
70. There is no cover-up, yet
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

DWS is going to need a few hours to get into full CYA mode...she needs to lawyer up first! Maybe she could ask Senator Clinton for some pro bono advice?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
111. There's this...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:57 PM
Dec 2015

Wasserman Schultz was campaign co-chair for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.

Nathaniel Pearlman (vendor) was chief technology officer for Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign.

---

The DNC is responsible for the data breach. The vendor should be fired.

Where is the outrage over the incompetent handling of sensitive data?!
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
112. Conspiracy Theories...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

How very Glen Beck and Alex Jones of you....they are all about the conspiracies man!

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
114. I didn't mention any conspiracy.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:01 PM
Dec 2015

I asked...

Where is the outrage over the incompetent handling of sensitive data?!

The DNC is responsible for the data breach. The vendor should be fired. DWS should be fired.

---

Take the names to mean what you want.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
117. Your entire premise is one...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:03 PM
Dec 2015

the SANDERS campaign is responsible for the breach...THEY downloaded them....they were under no obligation to do that...they could have just looked at it...but NOOOOO they got greedy...they got sloppy...and downloaded the data....

Do you take candy from the checkout lane, eat it and claim it was the stores fault for tempting you?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
125. Funny.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:09 PM
Dec 2015

The Sanders campaign was not responsible for the breach, the vendors admits that. The DNC and the Vendor are responsible for poor security protocol. That's an undisputed fact.

This is not candy. A better example is if your bank let someone access your account information. You'd be mad.

The DNC and NGP VAN are grossly negligent and legally liable. Maybe the sanders campaign. But that's yet to be proven.

The DNC and NGP VAN's incompetence should be dealt with.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
126. The breach is not the issue is it?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:10 PM
Dec 2015

Its what they did with it....the breach wasn't criminal activity....

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
128. What did they do with it?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:13 PM
Dec 2015

They reported it like an honest person would.

Giving access of critical information to outside parties is serious whether you like to admit it or not.

If this was nefarious, why did they reach out first?

cprise

(8,445 posts)
95. Also a tool for exposing their own data.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:28 PM
Dec 2015

How convenient.

Its interesting that after the Sanders' campaign's initial complaints, the DNC and their longtime vendor are accepting no responsibility for the situation.

They just insinuate that data naturally gets exposed while patching a system - cuz dat's howe dem tings werrrk.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
102. A tool, then, for exposing each campaign's data.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:45 PM
Dec 2015

From what we know, though, only one campaign took advantage of that. Perhaps we'll find out otherwise later, but I feel constricted only to discussing facts at hand.

I don't know who's taking responsibility for what as pertains to the database. At this point, however, we do know that only one campaign is admitting to breaching the data of another. That the same campaign has the unmitigated gall to allege malfeasance on the part of anyone else is despicable.

beerandjesus

(1,301 posts)
120. Nope. It's a very expensive tool, and there's no alternative to it.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:05 PM
Dec 2015

It's cumbersome and inelegant, but if you're a Democrat, you're stuck with it--and stuck with paying a LOT for it.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
129. No campaign is forced to use it.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:14 PM
Dec 2015

It's rented to the campaigns should they choose to use it, but nothing stops any campaign from using another data source, including their own. Supposedly, the Sanders campaign noted a breach months ago, yet continued to use the service.

It should also be noted, BTW, that the Sanders campaign availed themselves of it while not members of the DNC. That's hubris+

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #129)

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
17. Sanders wants access to the umbrella that
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:39 PM
Dec 2015

the Democratic Party provides its candidates but doesn't want to play by rules. Many people over the years have supported and worked for the Democratic Party. Sanders is in the wrong here.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
56. Oh, sorry...we're not playing by the HRC rules.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:41 PM
Dec 2015


Sanders reported it...so that was in the wrong. Fired the staffer...so that was in the wrong, too.

Double

Response to Skidmore (Reply #17)

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
121. Yep the exploding septic tank is splattering Debbie in the face.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:05 PM
Dec 2015

She is a loose cannon and the Democratic party can't take much more of her incompetence.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Who STOLE data that represents "millions of dollars in Clinton Campaign investments"?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:33 PM
Dec 2015

Sanders' campaign did that.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
98. Feh...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:30 PM
Dec 2015

If it were Clinton the story wouldn't have been leaked and she wouldn't have been denied access to her data.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
108. I would bet Clinton's camp did. This bug Sanders reported 2 MONTHS AGO was a feature not a flaw.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:55 PM
Dec 2015

Let's just see if, during discovery in his court case, whatever expert examines the Vote Builder files finds that Clinton's campaign did even more than that.

As of the second Sander's filed the court case, I believe Van, the DNC and everyone else involved would be prohibited from destroying evidence.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
28. Great idea if you're trying to guarantee that Trump will be President for the next four years.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:46 PM
Dec 2015

Response to MohRokTah (Reply #6)

fleur-de-lisa

(14,628 posts)
9. Kick ass, Bernie!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:33 PM
Dec 2015

I have said for months that I will vote for HRC if she wins the nomination. But if it turns out that DWS is behind this, I will join the growing ranks of Democrats who say they will never, under any circumstances, vote for Hillary. I have had enough of this bullshit!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
73. This feels like the great schism..
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:56 PM
Dec 2015

I think there's a lot of movement afoot. Both parties are going through it. Could be the best thing in the long run.

tasgator

(8 posts)
123. If I had a nickle every time I heard that one...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:09 PM
Dec 2015

I'd be living like a Wall Street Banker. Please, all Bernie supporters who feel the same, stay home in November 2016. Or vote Trump or Cruz, whomever you find on the other side of the ballot. Frankly, Sanders isn't a Democrat, refuses to register to vote as a Democrat, and I've never figured out why they are letting him run to be the nominee of MY Democratic Party. He is a Socialist and he should be running on that ticket. The fact the DNC and state parties are letting him even run shows how far they have bent over backwards to appease him and there is nothing they will ever be able to do to keep his supporters(the ones who stayed home anyway in 2010, 2012, 2014) happy when he loses. Buh-Bye!!!!

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
16. the vendor used to work for hillary
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:35 PM
Dec 2015

the veil is officially removed. collusion is obvious.

its on.

2h2 hours ago
Positively Joan ?@PositivelyJoan
DNC Clinton lies & setup vs #Bernie?! Nathaniel Pearlman founder of @TheDemocrats NGP Software was Chief technology officer for Clinton 2008

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
131. Wow
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:18 PM
Dec 2015

The vendor used to work for Hillary, DWS was co-campaign chair for Hillary in 2008...seems to be a pattern here.

Ya think???

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
18. We are certainly seeing them for whom they are now.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:40 PM
Dec 2015

At least we have some idea how low they will go.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
21. Anyone who thinks Bernie Sanders,who was an independent up until
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:42 PM
Dec 2015

5 minutes ago,suing the democratic party during the democratic primary is a great idea,is truly delusional.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
45. I don't know if that's how it will play
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:24 PM
Dec 2015

The Morning Plum's Greg Sargent has an article up saying the DNC needs to restore his campaign's access now.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
47. There's no doubt in my mind that this
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:29 PM
Dec 2015

won't play well with democratic voters. I guess we'll see soon enough.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
25. Bernie Sanders isn't really a Democrat is what the problem is.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:45 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie wants to use the Democratic Party to give his 3rd Party run some legitimacy but he doesn't want to play by the rules all the other real Democrats agreed to.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
43. Bernie has been a professional politician for basically his entire life as an Indipendent.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:13 PM
Dec 2015

He said himself that the only way he had any chance of winning the presidency is if he ran as a Democrat and not as a 3rd party candidate like Ralph Nadar did, He said that himself using almost the exact words.. and that's why he's running as a Democrat now. Bernie Sanders isn't a real Democrat, he's just using the Democratic Party structure for his own purposes. That's why he doesn't want to play by the rules all the others are playing by.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
44. I still don't know what rules you are talking about.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:17 PM
Dec 2015

Some keep saying this but it sounds meaningless.
He ran as a democrat specifically not to be a spoiler against beating Republicans.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
49. That isn't true about his reasons for running as a Democrat
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:33 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie did say that he wouldn't run as an independent <later> if he didn't win the Democratic primary and become a spoiler for the Republicans in that respect, but, he stated that he was running as a Democrat originally and specifically because he couldn't win if he didn't. Bernie Sanders said no one could win as a 3rd party candidate and used Ralph Nadar as an example. A reporter then asked him if he didn't win the Democratic primary would he consider a run as an Independent and that's when he said that he would not do that and become a spoiler. As far as what the rules are..The DNC makes the rules for the primary and Bernie Sanders is consistently behind Hillary Clinton in the polls, so the Bernie Sanders campaign wants to add more debates and wants special treatment to access his opponents proprietary information without consequences and other stuff.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
82. Bernie HAD to become a Democrat ONLY because the state rules of New Hampshire
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:04 PM
Dec 2015

requires you be one to get on their ticket...UNTIL then he was NOT a Democrat....he had to go on TV to say "I am a Democrat Now" to make it so...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
86. Well until Sanders said "I am a Democrat NOW" in New Hampshire the day he signed on to the ballot
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:20 PM
Dec 2015

he wasn't....

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
96. "Later" is a lie. He said it before he even decided to officially run.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:29 PM
Dec 2015

Please stick to the truth.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
55. "Bernie Sanders isn't a real Democrat, he's just using the Democratic Party structure"
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:41 PM
Dec 2015

You got that right and I am mighty suspicious about this data breech.

I wonder if Bernie's national data director Josh Uretsky is just falling on his sword to protect someone hmm????

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
54. Query: What's a "real Democrat"?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:40 PM
Dec 2015

Is that like a "Real Man"? "Real Coke"? "Real Fact"? "Real Reality"?

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
61. Well, a real Democrat would be someone who has a history of being a member of that Party
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:43 PM
Dec 2015

and act accordingly.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
67. Accordingly to what?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

Rules? Laws? Oaths? Ceremonies? Rites? Secret handshakes?

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
100. I guess "thinking for themselves" bars them from being Real Democrats.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:36 PM
Dec 2015
A living man can be enslaved and reduced to the historic condition of an object. But if he dies in refusing to be enslaved, he reaffirms the existence of another kind of human nature which refuses to be classified as an object. Albert Camus

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
57. Boom!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:41 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie said he never saw himself as a "liberal Democrat", unlike we real liberal Democrats.
He needs to play by the party rules if he wants to be part of the party.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
89. And he's not a man either. Or old. Or balding.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:23 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie not a Democrat? Ha! He's more of a Democrat than some of the DINOs that we have (s)elected to Congress.

Maybe the DNC is really DINONC? Hmmm......

NowSam

(1,252 posts)
31. Hopefully this will wake up the people
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:47 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie is a man of the people and the light of the future. HC/DWS/DNC= same old corrupt politics of yesterday.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
32. You would be hopping mad if Clinton's team did this
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:47 PM
Dec 2015

The Sanders people didn't just poke in and realize what it was and back out. They spent time searching the database.

In the end it's not a big deal, but the staff did this intentionally based on the available evidence.

Even though the vendor screwed up, the Sanders staff knew to not do this.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
103. How do you know that they poked around? They had told the
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:46 PM
Dec 2015

DNC about the problem 2 months ago. Guilty people do not report the problem.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
34. The DNC is driving Democrats away!!!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:54 PM
Dec 2015

The DNC is destroying the party.

I will most likely end my relationship with the Democratic Party and register Independent after the Iowa caucuses.

As a lifelong Democrat who has volunteered during several caucus seasons, served as a precinct captain and supported Dems my whole life--it is painful to feel ashamed of the DNC and abandoned by my party.

Runningdawg

(4,527 posts)
58. I feel the same
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:42 PM
Dec 2015

I WILL vote for whoever gets the nomination FOR THE LAST TIME. However over the next four years, I will be letting the DNC know they need to step up their game or I am gone.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
35. The DNC is doing a great job alienating Bernie supporters with their stacked-deck primary.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 02:55 PM
Dec 2015

Not very smart if Hillary is assured of winning anyway is it?

Nitram

(22,945 posts)
115. Wait a minute. Isn't this about Bernie supporters trying to say it's not Bernie's fault?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:02 PM
Dec 2015

Talk about denial...

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
76. Why
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:00 PM
Dec 2015

The only thing she might protect is choice but she will not do anything about citizen United or anything else of importance

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
92. You don't think she'll stack the Court for Wall St.?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:26 PM
Dec 2015

She's already shown her hand.

We make our choice NOW, in the primary.

After the primary, it's too late.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
101. No, because that's not how it works.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

Sorry, you guys tried this already. Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginsberg, and Kagan were all nominated by Democratic presidents you've condemned as DLC DNC DWS Turd Way wargle bargle--and were the only judges to vote against Citizens United.

Sorry, but no.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
107. This is different. Hillary is NOT Obama.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:54 PM
Dec 2015

Her heart is NOT in the right place. Qualitatively different.

And I'm not "you guys." I voted for Bill Clinton and worked on the Obama re-election campaign.

I see you're wearing your "O'Malley supporter" disguise today.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
132. I've had two avatars here ever, the one i used when I registered in 2010
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:18 PM
Dec 2015

and the O'Malley avatar I started using in November when he released the single most comprehensive veterans platform out of everyone in the race.

I support O'Malley, then Clinton, then Sanders. Take your conspiracy bullshit elsewhere. Your candidate got caught again in a fuckup created by his own staff, and yet again, he's blaming everyone else but his staff for it.

I completely understand why you want the topic to be anything but that.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
139. A few weeks ago
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:43 PM
Dec 2015

I noticed your username because you were making some of the most ugly comments about Sanders, and was surprised you had an O'Malley avatar, because they're usually well-behaved and easy to talk to.

Then, about an hour later, you were commenting with the same username but using the avatar that looks like a space photo of the side of the earth. That's a pretty quick switcheroo. Now you're using the O'Malley avatar.

But if you care about veterans, you won't go wrong with Sanders. Hillary could care less, because the enlisted personnel who come home depleted and injured are not in the class of people she serves and represents. If you don't know that, then I doubt either your concern for veterans or your knowledge of Hillary and Bernie respectively, or both.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
146. Then you're confusing me with someone else.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:34 AM
Dec 2015

Because I've only ever had two avatars. I typically post from my phone, so I don't even particularly care about them.

O'Malley has the most comprehensive policy for veterans I've seen out of all three of the candidates. Sanders' veterans policy proposal is absolute weak sauce. Frankly, his time as chair of SVAC was questionable, and groups like IAVA--which I'm a member of personally--aren't impressed.

You don't seem to understand veterans issues outside of what you read on FeelTheBern.

 

Fed up in NJ

(35 posts)
66. Those above who bitch and moan that Bernie isn't a real Democrat....
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:48 PM
Dec 2015

.... surprise.... The Democratic Party (in spite of DWS) is evolving and moving farther left. Being in the middle to appease Rethuglicans has gotten our country NOWHERE and that is EXACTLY where Hillary Clinton sits. In the middle and, when it comes to trade policies and many other fronts that she has flipped on to try to win the nomination, to the right of center!!!! Just as the RNC has moved farther and farther to the right, we have moved farther and farther to the left because we are Fed up with corporatist leadership! We want to bring the left back to the left where FDR sat, not Obama or the Clintons sit!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
118. The Democratic Party is splitting in half
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:04 PM
Dec 2015

Some have gone Republican Lite -- "Third Way" Corporate bought and corporate owned. http://www.thirdway.org/

The rest of us will remain Democrats, loyal to what the Party became in the early to mid 20th century: average Americans, working people, government of, by, and for the people.

It's time for the Third Way to form its own party, because THEY ARE NOT DEMOCRATS.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
72. This might be an opportune time
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:53 PM
Dec 2015

to really go after Hillary. Bernie doesn't need to run negative ads. But he should hammer her hard on all her wishy-washy stances she's been dancing around. If there are only three debates left after tomorrow, Bernie needs to make the most of it.

Look what playing nice has done for him. Since he's fighting the DNC, Third Way, HRC and all those super delegates, I say hit her as hard as he can. Time to put Hill on the defensive because she doesn't handle criticism well and she'll lose her composure. When voters see her squirm on stage, you'll see her poll numbers begin to plummet.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
87. If I get an email from the Sanders campaign
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:21 PM
Dec 2015

It could mean that they're using the stolen data.

And let's not mince words. Steal is the right term.

He's not even a democrat. This is like inviting someone into your home and then them stealing from you just because you left your jewelry box open.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
99. I'll take the "not even a Democrat" over "not even a progressive" every time.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:32 PM
Dec 2015

I heard he's not a Christian too!

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
137. Ooo, you REALLY want to get him out of the way
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015

so you can put that entity in the White House, come hell or high water, the American People be damned.

Like dancing the limbo, hm?



 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
144. And if you DON'T get an email from the Sanders campaign ...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:27 PM
Dec 2015

Will you let DU know that, even with your sneaky suspicions and reckless accusations, that the Sanders campaign apparently did NOT steal your information?

Seems like the right thing to do for an upstanding and honest democrat .... Honesty is the best policy, after all ... Right?

Am I right, here? .........

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
97. It's very important we all take a step back and point our fingers...
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:30 PM
Dec 2015

It's very important we all take a step back and point our fingers in such a way as to avoid any self-reflection-- and trumpet irrelevant, yet colorful allegations such as fascist as we do so.

Failure to do so may compel us to be objective and hold both candidates to the same standards.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
113. Jim Webb agress with Bernie..."The DNC is nothing more than an arm for the Clinton campaign."
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:59 PM
Dec 2015
https://twitter.com/jimwebbusa

"Good for Bernie. The DNC is nothing more than an arm for the Clinton campaign."

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
130. I won't vote for Hillary, PERIOD after this.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:16 PM
Dec 2015

If the DNC cannot respect the campaigns and the voting public, I'm out.

I mean to the GOP's credit they are at least smart enough to not try these heavy handed tricks to get their favorite choice.

Is a little respect for the voters too much to ask from DWS and Hillary?

F' it. I've seen enough Mad Max movies to be ready for the Trumpocolypse.

Tarc

(10,478 posts)
136. It doesn't matter
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:29 PM
Dec 2015

The number of petulant Sanders supporters in this vein will be vanishingly small, so rest assured that your non-vote will not affect the well-being of the nation.

JPnoodleman

(454 posts)
141. The glorious DNC, were democratic voters don't matter.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:56 PM
Dec 2015

Good to know my vote is worthless and always has been.

What a time to be alive.

MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
133. Bare Knuckles Boxing Match
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:19 PM
Dec 2015

In this corner, a past Golden Gloves champion.
In the other corner, a veteran main event contender.

A no-holds-barred battle until one or the other is KO-ed.

On Pay-Per-View Only Event!

Tarc

(10,478 posts)
134. The DNC is not panicking in the slightest
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:25 PM
Dec 2015

The Sanders camp had its hand caught in the cookie jar, and now cry about repercussions.

Millennials...

145. I'm disappointed.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 06:30 PM
Dec 2015

Sanders fans tearing down the DNC. Clinton fans tearing down Sanders.

Whose fault is it? Seems there's plenty of blame to go around. To Sanders' credit it's not like he told his staffer to access exposed Clinton data (most probably anyway). To Sanders' credit he fired the staffer who ordered people to take a look in inappropriate areas while the firewall was down. Still... I can't help but think that this is an overreaction from the DNC. If this was a Clinton staffer doing the same thing would the DNC have shut off her access to voter files? I doubt it, but we'll never know for sure.

Supposedly, the vendor was made aware of this flaw months ago. They should be held accountable as well.

Interestingly, when asked for comments on this whole ordeal Clinton's campaign declined. Why? It could be out of respect. It could be waiting for more information to come out. Or.... perhaps because this could boomerang back on her. The head of the vendor in question (NGP VAN) was also the Chief Technoloy Officer for the Clinton campaign in 2008. To be honest, Clinton's track record with digital security has been less than stellar. I'm sure she doesn't want people talking about her own issues digital issues, especially with her tied to NGP VAN.

Anyway... It seems like Sanders has taken the appropriate actions and if the DNC doesn't fix this soon they risk pissing off a lot of people. I've voted (nearly) straight democrat all my years in voting... The DNC is really making me reconsider that (Thanks, Debbie!).

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