Good for DFA! Statement: DNC attacks campaign rather than vendor.

[madfloridian]

From The Hill:

Sanders campaign told DNC of data issue months ago

Democracy for America, the major progressive group that endorsed Sanders on Thursday, panned the DNC’s decision in a statement.

"The Democratic National Committee's decision to attack the campaign that figured out the problem, rather than go after the vendor that made the mistake, is profoundly damaging to the party's Democratic process,” Charles Chamberlain, the executive director for Democracy for America, said.

“DNC leaders should immediately reverse this disturbing decision before the committee does even more to bring its neutrality in the race for President into question.

[madfloridian]

1. The DNC is seriously flawed now.

DWS may have done too much harm to the party.

[phleshdef]

3. No need to quit the party. We just need to get rid of DWS.

[Samantha]

39. I agree -- she should be removed for incompetence

She failed to address the issue when it was initially reported by the Sanders' campaign (the first time). Now she is acting as if they did some something wrong. She is playing a charade.

Sam

[PatrynXX]

48. from lack of debates to this she really needs to go :(

DWS , needs a petition or something , resign , fired I don't know the rules here. Like Republicans owning the voting machines. There's a Conflict of interest here

[Fawke Em]

78. Don't forget her failed track record in getting Democrats elected, too.

She's horrible.

[BeanMusical]

91. And rooting for Repuke candidates in Florida.

[RoccoR5955]

116. WHAT?!?!?! That alone should get her thrown out on her keister! n/t

[Samantha]

87. I think it is more than a conflict of interest

Here we are with this story breaking full tilt on a Friday afternoon. Tomorrow night is the Democratic debate, then the Holidays are upon us, and then the New Year arrives and Sanders has about 4 or 5 weeks to pull out the stops to get as much support as possible in Iowa and New Hampshire. If you have been following this closely, you know The Des Moines Register posted a video December 14th saying Hillary was 9 points ahead in Iowa (Democratic votes only) and CNN published a story that New Hampshire remained a stronghold for Bernie Sanders (he was ten points ahead of Hillary).

Knowing the impact of a win or a loss in one or both of these states (the early caucus states) on the rest of the election, and realizing that both of these are close, is one to really think on a Friday afternoon when the Sanders' campaign has its voter/donor data withheld from his campaign this is a coincidence? His campaign can't work tonight or this weekend without that information. Lost revenue and possibly lost votes are at stake.

And that is exactly why (I believe it was his attorney) said earlier today the DNC could support Hillary or any other Democrat it wanted, but it would not be allowed to undermine the Sanders campaign. If the access to the Sanders' portion of the list was not returned, he said he would be going to court this afternoon. If he does, he probably will have to ask for an emergency hearing because it is Friday and many courts are adjourning right about now, if they have not already.

IMHO, the use of the word "undermine" was kind.

Sam

[bvar22]

59. Who says she is incompetent?

I believe she is exactly who the Party Leadership want running the DNC.
She was "promoted" up the ladder for her treachery that is documented since at least 2000 in Florida.
That means that her "employers" believe she is doing a good job.


DWS is the Chair of the DNC because the Party Power Brokers WANT her there.
Otherwise, she would be gone instead of promoted.

[dgibby]

61. Hammer meet nail.

Wish DU had a "like" button. I couldn't agree more.

[roguevalley]

67. she has to go. I can't wait to get home and fill out my DNC mailer

[Enthusiast]

63. Huge +1!

[PufPuf23]

65. Yeah. What bvar22 typed.

DWS does not represent rank and file nor local Democratic Party members but does represent corporate Party Power Brokers.

Bad situation as many have noted for years now at DU.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

69. Took the words right out of my mouth.

Said something similar upthread before reading your comment.

[Dont call me Shirley]

73. Thread winner!

[Samantha]

74. Of course - everything you say is correct

But who are you planning on getting to step in front of a microphone and tell the public she was removed because she was corrupt? Perhaps she could be forced to resign because she wants to spend more time with her family....

Sam

[Dustlawyer]

94. More than they want Hillary, they cannot afford Bernie!

He will make them have to play fair and pay their fair share!

[bvf]

103. Well said!

So sick and tired of the Third Way.

[Plucketeer]

118. Spot on!

DWS = Democrats Weirdest Spokesperson.

[erronis]

96. Is she a close cousin of Carly?

There are so many similarities - facial, actions, lying, power hungry.

It's really too bad that the few women that are part of this political process aren't more representative of most of us. Maybe it's because they want to act more "manly".

[Fantastic Anarchist]

68. So they can put someone else like her in that position?

There's a reason why she got there in the first place.

[Samantha]

92. Well here is the thing - it is a judgment call

This debacle has the ability to complete diminish the work of the election. Conversation in the media and even here will eclipse the importance of the oncoming Iowa and New Hampshire caucuses. So one can pursue whateve avenue one chooses, but my personal preference is to get that data restored to Sanders' campaign yesterday! so he can pursue raising money and getting out votes. I do not think we should take our eyes off the ball. This election is everything, and DWS is nothing. Whatever is decided about her is secondary to me.

So I don't disagree with anything anyone says here negatively about her -- I have disliked her from the start and her maneuvers are not exactly quietly executed, but I do not plan to be distracted from the bigger picture. If you want to go get her, Godspeed!

Regards,

Sam

[dgibby]

72. She should have been fired

when the Dems lost both houses of Congress under her watch. This is more icing for the cake.

[Scootaloo]

104. Yeah, what the fuck is up with that?

[bjobotts]

106. Most of us were raging due to Pelosi refusing impeachment

of Bush and just said screw it. Repubs won house...Second time gerymandering for house but 2 to one dem seats were up for election in Senate...in 2016 it will be republican seats all up for grab in senate and dems will retake it. House got millions more dem votes but gerrymandering kept the house in republican's hands. We must turn up in numbers too large to hack if we want to overcome republican election fraud ...It's why the numbers never match the post voting surveys.

[liberalnarb]

97. Our party has had many different chairmen/women. Some good some bad.

But the biggest problem is that THIS time we are in the middle of a primary and the chair is BFFs with one of the candidates. There is a huge conflict of interest in play here.

[Betty Karlson]

112. The word is compromised. The DNC is compromised as long as DWS keeps leading it. eom

[dana_b]

4. I only joined up for Bernie sooo.... n/t

[ejbr]

34. Ditto n/t

[PatrynXX]

49. more like I'll leave the Debbie party since

like some banks they just branded themselves the DNC. I'll go join the Real Democratic Party.

[Paka]

100. I left for many years after the way they treated Carter.

I came back in 2004 and will most definitely leave if HRC is the nominee. Her values do not match up with mine.

[Renew Deal]

5. Shouldn't they "attack" both?

The vendor for the mistake.
The Sanders campaign for exploiting it.

[madfloridian]

8. No.

[jeff47]

12. Well, the vendor claims the Sanders campaign "exploit" is impossible.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

Yet DWS is claiming on TV that the Sanders campaign did save data.

So either their vendor is lying about security again, and the exploit is possible, or DWS is making false claims about the Sanders campaign.

Should probably at least figure out what really is possible before attacking the Sanders campaign for doing it.

[Renew Deal]

14. The Sanders campaign and the former staffer both claim to have accomplished the impossible

It's not like they deny it.

[jeff47]

20. And I just traveled faster than the speed of light

Again, if it actually happened, that makes VAN and the DNC's continued support of VAN a very large problem.

[PatrynXX]

50. nice light

feel like Danger Mouse might be needed. Except he's british

[jeff47]

54. You gonna give the DNC your credit card info?

After this incident demonstrates just how incompetent their vendors are?

The Sanders staffer was fired. The DNC turning to the press to make a mountain out of this was incredibly stupid.

Going to the press means that vendor needs to be fired, now.

[dgibby]

60. MSNBC just interviewed the staffer who was fired.

He said he was well aware that it would be possible for VAN to know he had accessed Clinton's data, and he did it in order to prove that there were ongoing problems with the firewall, as reported by the Sanders' campaign in Oct. (The breech occurred over a 40 min. time frame, according to MSNBC).

If what he says is true, then it's obvious that he made a serious mistake. If he was up to dirty tricks, he still made a serious mistake. I hope it was the former and not the latter.

[libdem4life]

99. Edward Snowden redux

[passiveporcupine]

66. VAN is using double speak

On their own web page they say:

So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

Then they say:

Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access.

First they say no one could have exported or saved or acted on any data, then they say "that could have led to" date being saved.

They say we have thousands of automated tests and code review to prevent things like this happening and we will add more....we are oh so safe...you can trust us...all your data belong to us! Oh, and they say they never heard about the October breach.

You know what? Someone is lying here and it ain't Sander's campaign.

[Fawke Em]

79. Oh thank you for this Jeff!

You find the best stuff!

#SeeYouInCourtDebbie

[jeff47]

80. To be fair, I got it from another post on DU, which I can no longer find. (nt)

[tecelote]

22. Both Yes.

1. The DNC for their lack of security - they are primarily responsible for opening it up for all to see, not just the Sander's campaign (they only know because they called to help resolve the issue).

2. The vendor needs to be fired.

Fact is, they have no idea how much data has been compromised. Seems that while the Sanders staff was there, so probably were Clinton's and O'Malleys. They have no idea.

The focus should be on the incompetence from the DNC and the vendor.

[LiberalArkie]

40. I think the vendor is probably pretty safe

Before starting CTSG, Stu worked directly on a number of campaigns, including working in the 1992 Clinton-Gore "War Room," and then in the Clinton White House


https://personaldemocracy.com/stu-trevelyan

[jeff47]

86. Of course not.

The owner of the vendor goes back to Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign, and the current CEO was Clinton 2008's CTO.

They will not be fired.

[Go Vols]

55. plus

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

[dgibby]

71. Is this the guy that's allegedly related to DWS or

is that someone else that works for VAN?

[jeff47]

89. That's a different guy who happens to have the last name Wasserman. (nt)

[dgibby]

95. Thanks.

Hard to follow all the ins and outs. If she is related to someone on the VAN staff, it's really going to hit the fan.

[jeepers]

31. Why did DWS leave the back door open for so long

were she or her client using it ?

Every American soldier knows that if you leave your footlocker exposed and it is stolen from the theft is just as much your responsibility

[madfloridian]

44. Did the other campaigns report the database failure?

Bernie's did.

[panader0]

52. Don't you believe that the HRC campaign used the down firewall too?

Of course they did, they just didn't report it--they probably have had access all along, judging by who the DNC
people are.

[Renew Deal]

56. I have no idea

No reason to presume anything either way. The latest story is that a third party found the issue.

It is also now reported that it was a 40 minute window (not all along).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1291833

[CharlotteVale]

6. K&R. DNC is tainted beyond repair.

[madfloridian]

9. Tend to agree.

[Ichingcarpenter]

13. K&R... it beginning to seem like a bit of dogshit in the hallway

and we have to decide how to pick it up from the good end.

Debbie needs to resign........ that would help me pick up this shit.

[MissDeeds]

85. Yes they are

I don't know how they could restore confidence and support at this point, unless of course you're a fan of nefarious tactics.

[EndElectoral]

7. The DNC looks inept in this matter. Disciplining without actual audit.

[madfloridian]

10. Inept is a good word for it.

I can think of others.

[Ichingcarpenter]

19. Its not inept but corrupted

but either way .......... there's a dead skunk in the middle of the road
and its stinking to high heaven.


You got your dead skunk in the middle of the road
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
Stinking to high heaven

Take a whiff on me, that ain't no rose
Roll up your window and hold your nose
You don't have to look and you don't have to see
'Cause you can feel it in your olfactory

You got your dead skunk in the middle of the road
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
And it's stinking to high heaven

Yeah, you got your dead cat and you got your dead dog
On a moonlight night, you got your dead toad frog
Got your dead rabbit and your dead raccoon
The blood and the guts, they're gonna make you swoon

You got your dead skunk in the middle
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
Dead skunk in the middle of the road
Stinking to high heaven
C'mon, stink

[madfloridian]

21. .....

[Ichingcarpenter]

29. song on youtube.......... I always enjoyed him.

[sufrommich]

11. This is a ridiculous statement. The Sanders campaign didn't "figure out

the problem",they took advantage of the problem. I can hardly believe what's unfolding here.

[phleshdef]

15. You have absolutely no proof that they took advantage of anything.

I doubt you even know HOW they would take advantage of the software bug if they did.

[EndElectoral]

24. Exactly right. There's been no actual audit. A lot of people's opinions.

This is going to breach the Democratic party if the DNC insists on this punitive action without an actual audit first.

it's kind of unbelievable that the Sanders campaign reports the Firewall problem, takes actions on people responsible, and then they're punished for it.

If there was a breach, there's no idea at this point how many people accessed that information without an audit. Obviously, the people who really wanted to access the information would most likely have NOT reported it.

It's like a thief who comes into your home, takes valuables, and then leaves a note saying hey, I took your valuables, my name is so and so and I live here, please come and get me. it doesn't happen that way.

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Hillary's and Bill's crew were in charge of the company

what's that tell you.

[Fawke Em]

81. It tells me that there might have been a reason for the exploit and

it wasn't something the Sanders campaign was supposed to have been aware of.

[Ichingcarpenter]

88. Either way

these were her tech guys

Private servers............ has a new meaning with Clinton history

[mythology]

46. 4 staffers spent spent 40 minutes in the system.

That's not an oops. It wouldn't be a big deal if the Sanders campaign And supporters are pitching a fit rather than just saying we screwed up, here's how we're going to not do it again.

Yeah the database vendor screwed up. But just like if I leave my keys in the car, a thief doesn't have the right to take it.

[hopemountain]

107. no. the oops is even though it was reported to dnc

prior to this latest "report" or "acknowledgement" - dnc did nothing until now. and the second oops is to not fault the tech company. now, debbie has successfully created such a bruhaha the democratic party may not be able to regroup for the primaries or the elections. she may as well have called up trump and handed him the election.

[MeNMyVolt]

16. Totally agree. Shaking my head.

[arcane1]

17. They reported the problem in October n/t

[TDale313]

28. They apparently did report it.

And there's no evidence they "exploited" anything.

[Samantha]

41. Perhaps you missed the reporting that this problem had been discovered months previous and reported

at that time. Yet no one fixed the problem.

Sam

[madfloridian]

70. They reported it as early as October. DNC did nothing to fix it.

[Matariki]

18. before the committee does even more to bring its neutrality in the race for President into question

As if that horse hasn't already run

[zentrum]

23. DNC is doing

….a Rovian maneuver. It's anti-Democracy at its core.

[murielm99]

114. Bernie's campaign are the ones behaving like Rove.

They are caught red-handed pulling dirty tricks, so they bluster, double down, and try to deflect.

[Ikonoklast]

115. Then why did DWS and the DNC capitulate on the lawsuit?

Last edited Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:40 AM - Edit history (1)

And Weaver stated that even though the DNC gave in, the suit is going forward? Why not drop the lawsuit and let it die if they are guilty of anything, after all, the Sanders campaign got access to their voter database again.

[Autumn]

25. DWS already blew this party all to hell and there ain't no bringing it back.

[madfloridian]

27. Not in its present form.

There's not much left of what I believe Democrats should be about.

[Autumn]

30. Something will rise from the ash's

[Ed Suspicious]

38. And DWS is "all in" on this fom toolery.

[Truprogressive85]

32. The DNC better get their shit together

Just speaking for myself

I have unsubscribed to the DNC emails

The Party will not get a single penny from me

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

109. I will never donate to DNC

I will donate to individual Democratic candidates, but it's become painfully obvious to me that the DNC has become "Democratic" in name only.

[UglyGreed]

33. Like wrote in another

thread this will hurt the DNC and the Clinton camp when it is all said and done. And it will indeed leave a mark that may last for years.....

[WillyT]

35. MoveOn.org Too:

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128083933

[Ed Suspicious]

36. So this is part of the value of an endorsement. Muscle!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Politics-as-usual on display. K&R

[NCTraveler]

42. The day after they endorse him he fires a staffer and is imploding. Damn. nt.

[Fawke Em]

83. He's NOT imploding. The DNC is.

You need to get out more.

[AgingAmerican]

105. Watch his numbers explode

DWS cannot get this Genie back in the bottle.

[Uncle Joe]

43. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.

[truebrit71]

45. Fuckin-A right!

Fuck those corporatist, third-way assholes....

[FloriTexan]

47. Good for DFA for endorsing Sanders and issuing this statement!

Good for Bernie for threatening to sue and/or sue. Hit back hard right before the debate!

[madfloridian]

57. Agree completely.

[rhett o rick]

110. As I do. nm

[solara]

53. Don't just post here on DU

Flood the DNC with Democratic rebuke! If everyone who is posting on DU about this underhanded dirty work by DWS calls and/or emails the DNC.. attention will be paid. Call the DNC regarding their suspension of Votebuilder access for the Bernie Sanders campaign! You can leave a message/complaint at 1-202-863-8000 or email them at [e-mail].

[NJCher]

82. thanks for the contact info

I sent an email, and I'll also call.


Cher

[in_cog_ni_to]

58. Spot On!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Enthusiast]

62. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

They brought their neutrality into question long ago.

[AtomicKitten]

64. hear, hear k&r

[madfloridian]

75. Even Hillary's Super Pac has access.

Campaigns are not the only ones that can access the NGP VAN information. The “super PAC” supporting Mrs. Clinton, Priorities USA Action, has a contract with NGP VAN, according to Justin Barasky, a spokesman for the group. Mr. Barasky said the group uses it for fund-raising purposes, not the type of field organizing in which the campaigns use it.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/18/sanders-campaign-disciplined-for-breaching-clinton-data/

[Fawke Em]

84. Holy Shit.

Titanic... meet Iceberg.

[arcane1]

101. Imagine that! n/t

[Dont call me Shirley]

76. Hmmm. Where are all the Bernie haters/HRC defenders. Eerily missing from theses threads.

[Jester Messiah]

77. Your F'n Move, DNC.

Back down or get Bern'd.

[PatrickforO]

90. Excellent!

The DNC doesn't even pretend to uphold the interests of the American people.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

93. "Neutrality"?

[chervilant]

98. I encourage everyone to read the lawsuit,

which repudiates DWS and the DNC for violating the contract THEY established with the Sanders campaign. They were supposed to give ten days notice before they took any action, which they violated in two days, when they denied the Sanders campaign access to the data.

DWS must go. She is a blight on the DNC. (And, at this point, I have a fair number of friends who are planning to quit the Party because of her! That's just not right!)

[libdem4life]

102. JMO, but quitting the party is, as my dad used to say, "Cutting off your nose to spite your face"

We want our Democratic Party back. Now is the perfect time to implement that. Get rid of DWS, or make her and her handlers and apologists very nervous. I will not be driven away by some half-ass lackey who has a Messiah Complex...that could describe any number of current Dems. Nor do I want to make nice.

Now, who can help us not only save our Party, but win the 2016 Election. This is no joke...it is no rehearsal. We need swift action before Iowa, not squabbling and desertion...which only plays into the Republican's hands.

Bernie is clean. His staffer, for good or for ill, is gone. But it's our girl HRC that set it all into motion...surely not with malice and forethought, but with greed and expediency and exceptionalism.

Screw the DNC. Let's get Bernie nominated.

[rhett o rick]

111. I agree. It's our party. We need to kick out the big money corruption. nm

[PoiBoy]

119. +100

Totally agree..!!

[emsimon33]

108. Thank you for this post

[Douglas Carpenter]

113. knr

[myrna minx]

117. k&r

[greiner3]

120. Just unsuscribed to the ever constant flow of DNC emails.

I'll be sure to unsubscribe DWS as I get a steady flow from her also.