Does anyone here actually believe that DNClinton does not have full access rights to Sanders' data?

[mhatrw]

Because if you actually believe that nobody working for Clinton's campaign (read: the entire DNC and the vendors who supply all their software) has any access to Sanders' campaign data, I have some scary WMDs I would like to sell you.

[phleshdef]

1. Knowing what I know about software, I bet all 3 campaigns had cross access to all data for that time

[moobu2]

6. It was all trackable so if anyone ever accesses anything there's a record.

Bernie won't be able to lie his way out of this one.

[phleshdef]

13. Bernie doesn't NEED to lie about anything.

If we both have gmail accounts and google screws up and gives us both access to each others inboxes, thats on google.

[moobu2]

22. Not if you use the chance to acess and copy my very expensive personal information

multiple times and then go get all your friends and copy stuff and snoop around. That part is on you. You don't get to go into someone else's house and snoop around just because they left their door open.

[phleshdef]

29. I guarantee if your emails showed up in my inbox and I read them, you couldn't do anything to me.

However, you could sue the fuck out of Google and you would win.

[brooklynite]

50. That's not the analogy...

...the analogy is that you found out you could log in to my email account and you did.

[d_r]

60. from what I understand

the first analogy is correct. The data were available to his own account, he did not log on to someone else's account or use another password or hack it. It was in his account.

[phleshdef]

61. For one, I'm not just making an analogy, I'm explaining exactly the logical thing that happened.

For 2, you are DEAD WRONG. They didn't login to accounts granted to Clinton staffers. They logged into their own accounts. My "analogy" is 100% infallible because this is my career and I know what I'm talking about.

[Agschmid]

27. No...

Not when you actively download the data.

[UglyGreed]

19. But who controls the access???

[questionseverything]

23. ....

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

[UglyGreed]

24. Winner, winner

chicken dinner

[Mnpaul]

70. Nothing to see here

[IMG][/IMG]

[workinclasszero]

28. Yeah lets check the trail Bernies

plumbers left

[mhatrw]

41. You know nothing about software. Nothing is "trackable" when you have root permission. nt

[Scuba]

66. This long-time IT veteran says you're exactly correct.

[DVRacer]

73. And who has the tracking log? N/t

[NowSam]

2. The DWS/DNC/Hillary Camp is one and the same

and so I believe it is the people who need to reclaim their party and then win the election.

[moobu2]

3. All access to the data is trackable so no Hillary does not have access.

you can imagine any kind of conspiracy you can make up though.

[arcane1]

5. Tracked by whom?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

67. Well exactly

[Jarqui]

10. when the founder of the 3rd party vendor was Clinton's 2008 IT director?

He can access it in house and dump it onto a portable drive and no one would be the wiser.

Bernie should get his data out of there. This disgraceful arrangement stinks.

[EndElectoral]

16. Wasn't this also the firm that was responsible for Clinton's private email?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

69. Holy moly!

[jeff47]

12. You don't actually know that, because a complete audit has not been run.

And given that the vendor says saving data is impossible, yet that's what DWS says the Sanders campaign did, it needs to be a third-party audit.

[phleshdef]

14. You don't understand the difference between having access and using access apparently.

But go on, try to argue with me about it. I have 15 years of experience with this stuff. Its my career, I dare you to try.

[mhatrw]

40. You know nothing about software. Nothing is "trackable" when you have root permission. nt

[NCTraveler]

4. Just make it up as you go. Not a bit to back up what you say.

The implosion is pending. The signs are all there.

[mhatrw]

42. DWS/DNC works for Clinton. The vendor hired by DWS/DNC worked for Clinton.

Can you dispute this?

[NCTraveler]

48. Keeps getting better and better.

Endorsements matter. I think Sanders supporters are just starting to realize that. You are going full blown conspiracy.

[mhatrw]

59. Endorsements matter? As in corporate and establishment insiders who are willing to cheat and lie?

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You know, like the DNC and the Clinton operative who made the software the DNC forces all the competing campaigns to use?

[Blue_Adept]

7. Are your WMDs right next to your massive tinfoil supply?

[mhatrw]

44. Is that what Hillary said when she voted to invade Iraq? nt

[Hepburn]

64. Great snark! +1 n/t

[Happenstance24]

8. They all had access...

...so far as we know only Team Bernie seems to have taken advantage of that access and stolen other's data.

[phleshdef]

15. ^^^ This. Though "stolen" is not an accurate term.

[EndElectoral]

20. Would someone who wanted to steal data always tell they were taking data? We need an audit.

[Maedhros]

43. I've gotten into the habit of putting low-post-count posters who show up to bash Sanders

onto my ignore list.

Seems prudent - you're clearly here with an agenda.

/bye.

[riversedge]

9. Creating for divisiveness on DU. Not needed.

[jeff47]

11. Just because the vendor is owned by someone who's worked closely with the Clintons

since 1992, and the current CEO was Clinton 2008's CTO?

[JaneyVee]

21. Vendor works on most campaigns, even Obama's.

[questionseverything]

26. ....

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

[mhatrw]

46. The vendor is Clinton's go to IT person. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. Tin Foil hats all around!

did they or did they not commit this crime?

there are server logs that prove it...

[DanTex]

17. Conspiracy!

[JaneyVee]

18. Yes, I believe Hillary is running a great campaign.

Conspiracy theories only make you look like a conspiracy theorist.

[Uncle Joe]

25. Of course they did and they had it in October when Bernie's campaign alerted the DNC.

Thanks for the thread, mhatrw.

[VanillaRhapsody]

31. got proof of that?

[Uncle Joe]

35. Just logic, if the firewall is down it goes both ways

[VanillaRhapsody]

36. that won't hold water dude..its theoretical

did they download data or not?

[Uncle Joe]

37. The question in the OP was "access" not download, don't be moving the goal posts.

[VanillaRhapsody]

56. Now its about Downloading them huh?

trying to hide those goal posts!

[Uncle Joe]

57. Did you not read your own post #36, you used the term "downloading" that's what I was

responding to, the OP spoke of "access."

[VanillaRhapsody]

58. Yes...if you open a document on your computer...

you just downloaded it....

When you click "Save As" you just saved it...

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. Accessing it....and downloading and saving it....

two very very different animals!

[SidDithers]

33. ...

Sid

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. EXACTLY!

[treestar]

39. This is getting more and more entertaining

Hillary must have done it too! Of course, she must have! That settles everything right down!

[Faux pas]

38. Kicketty Kickin'

[LanternWaste]

45. Well, of course we're going to believe whatever assists us in rationalizing

Well, of course we're going to believe whatever assists us in rationalizing as righteous and just any action of candidate A, while justifying as being in on a conspiracy should it happen to candidate B.

If we hold both candidates to the same standards, our biases will be illustrated to be just that... and we simply cannot allow that to happen, and so must hold to pretense and illusion.

[brooklynite]

47. TOS: Don't go overboard with the crazy talk.

Democratic Underground is not intended to be a platform for kooks and crackpots peddling paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact.

[Blue_Adept]

52. Yes, but this is Bernie Underground

[mhatrw]

49. We have two camps on this thread. People who know a duck when they see it walk & hear it quack

and people who post pictures of tin foil hats because they know any discussion beyond that would make the duck in the room even more obvious.

[Nitram]

51. Does anyone not believe that Sander's campaign just got caught stealing data? nt

[Blue_Adept]

53. You can see that it's an almost 50/50 split

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251911943

[Nitram]

54. Which means 50% accept the facts and 50% are in denial. nt

[Blue_Adept]

55. Pretty much

Which is why I keep getting shades of the conservative side of things in how they view some of their respective leaders. It's pretty disheartening, but this year has made it clear that the blinders are on full and fanaticism has infected the Democratic base.

[bobbobbins01]

62. I just posted an OP with some details regarding this if anyones interested.

Its long though. I used to work on the DNC's database quite a while ago.

[mhatrw]

65. Give us a link, please.

[Hepburn]

63. I have NO doubt that DWS would do ANYTHING or HRC's coronation. n/t

[MohRokTah]

68. They definitely had the access during the 40 minute window.

The difference is, all logs show that only one campaign accessed the data and stole it.

The Clinton campaign did nothing during that 40 minute window, unlike the Sanders campaign.

[BlueCheese]

71. Don't you usually need evidence before you make big claims, or even little claims?

[mhatrw]

72. LOL. A Clinton staffer wrote the program and has full unfettered access to the database! nt