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Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:02 PM

Does anyone here actually believe that DNClinton does not have full access rights to Sanders' data?

Because if you actually believe that nobody working for Clinton's campaign (read: the entire DNC and the vendors who supply all their software) has any access to Sanders' campaign data, I have some scary WMDs I would like to sell you.

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Reply Does anyone here actually believe that DNClinton does not have full access rights to Sanders' data? (Original post)
mhatrw Dec 2015 OP
phleshdef Dec 2015 #1
moobu2 Dec 2015 #6
phleshdef Dec 2015 #13
moobu2 Dec 2015 #22
phleshdef Dec 2015 #29
brooklynite Dec 2015 #50
d_r Dec 2015 #60
phleshdef Dec 2015 #61
Agschmid Dec 2015 #27
UglyGreed Dec 2015 #19
questionseverything Dec 2015 #23
UglyGreed Dec 2015 #24
Mnpaul Dec 2015 #70
workinclasszero Dec 2015 #28
mhatrw Dec 2015 #41
Scuba Dec 2015 #66
DVRacer Dec 2015 #73
NowSam Dec 2015 #2
moobu2 Dec 2015 #3
arcane1 Dec 2015 #5
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #67
Jarqui Dec 2015 #10
EndElectoral Dec 2015 #16
Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2015 #69
jeff47 Dec 2015 #12
phleshdef Dec 2015 #14
mhatrw Dec 2015 #40
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #4
mhatrw Dec 2015 #42
NCTraveler Dec 2015 #48
mhatrw Dec 2015 #59
Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #7
mhatrw Dec 2015 #44
Hepburn Dec 2015 #64
Happenstance24 Dec 2015 #8
phleshdef Dec 2015 #15
EndElectoral Dec 2015 #20
Maedhros Dec 2015 #43
riversedge Dec 2015 #9
jeff47 Dec 2015 #11
JaneyVee Dec 2015 #21
questionseverything Dec 2015 #26
mhatrw Dec 2015 #46
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #32
DanTex Dec 2015 #17
JaneyVee Dec 2015 #18
Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #25
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #31
Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #35
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #36
Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #37
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #56
Uncle Joe Dec 2015 #57
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #58
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #30
SidDithers Dec 2015 #33
VanillaRhapsody Dec 2015 #34
treestar Dec 2015 #39
Faux pas Dec 2015 #38
LanternWaste Dec 2015 #45
brooklynite Dec 2015 #47
Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #52
mhatrw Dec 2015 #49
Nitram Dec 2015 #51
Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #53
Nitram Dec 2015 #54
Blue_Adept Dec 2015 #55
bobbobbins01 Dec 2015 #62
mhatrw Dec 2015 #65
Hepburn Dec 2015 #63
MohRokTah Dec 2015 #68
BlueCheese Dec 2015 #71
mhatrw Dec 2015 #72

Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:03 PM

1. Knowing what I know about software, I bet all 3 campaigns had cross access to all data for that time

 

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:06 PM

6. It was all trackable so if anyone ever accesses anything there's a record.

Bernie won't be able to lie his way out of this one.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:09 PM

13. Bernie doesn't NEED to lie about anything.

 

If we both have gmail accounts and google screws up and gives us both access to each others inboxes, thats on google.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:15 PM

22. Not if you use the chance to acess and copy my very expensive personal information

multiple times and then go get all your friends and copy stuff and snoop around. That part is on you. You don't get to go into someone else's house and snoop around just because they left their door open.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:26 PM

29. I guarantee if your emails showed up in my inbox and I read them, you couldn't do anything to me.

 

However, you could sue the fuck out of Google and you would win.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:49 PM

50. That's not the analogy...

...the analogy is that you found out you could log in to my email account and you did.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:20 PM

60. from what I understand

the first analogy is correct. The data were available to his own account, he did not log on to someone else's account or use another password or hack it. It was in his account.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:59 PM

61. For one, I'm not just making an analogy, I'm explaining exactly the logical thing that happened.

 

For 2, you are DEAD WRONG. They didn't login to accounts granted to Clinton staffers. They logged into their own accounts. My "analogy" is 100% infallible because this is my career and I know what I'm talking about.

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Response to phleshdef (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:24 PM

27. No...

Not when you actively download the data.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:12 PM

19. But who controls the access???

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:21 PM

23. ....

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:22 PM

24. Winner, winner

chicken dinner

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:03 PM

70. Nothing to see here

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:25 PM

28. Yeah lets check the trail Bernies

 

plumbers left

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:41 PM

41. You know nothing about software. Nothing is "trackable" when you have root permission. nt

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Response to mhatrw (Reply #41)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:39 AM

66. This long-time IT veteran says you're exactly correct.

 

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:41 PM

73. And who has the tracking log? N/t

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:04 PM

2. The DWS/DNC/Hillary Camp is one and the same

and so I believe it is the people who need to reclaim their party and then win the election.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:04 PM

3. All access to the data is trackable so no Hillary does not have access.

you can imagine any kind of conspiracy you can make up though.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:05 PM

5. Tracked by whom?

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:41 AM

67. Well exactly

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:07 PM

10. when the founder of the 3rd party vendor was Clinton's 2008 IT director?

He can access it in house and dump it onto a portable drive and no one would be the wiser.

Bernie should get his data out of there. This disgraceful arrangement stinks.

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:11 PM

16. Wasn't this also the firm that was responsible for Clinton's private email?

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Response to EndElectoral (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:43 AM

69. Holy moly!

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:08 PM

12. You don't actually know that, because a complete audit has not been run.

And given that the vendor says saving data is impossible, yet that's what DWS says the Sanders campaign did, it needs to be a third-party audit.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:10 PM

14. You don't understand the difference between having access and using access apparently.

 

But go on, try to argue with me about it. I have 15 years of experience with this stuff. Its my career, I dare you to try.

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Response to moobu2 (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:40 PM

40. You know nothing about software. Nothing is "trackable" when you have root permission. nt

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:05 PM

4. Just make it up as you go. Not a bit to back up what you say.

 

The implosion is pending. The signs are all there.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:43 PM

42. DWS/DNC works for Clinton. The vendor hired by DWS/DNC worked for Clinton.

Can you dispute this?

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Response to mhatrw (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:47 PM

48. Keeps getting better and better.

 

Endorsements matter. I think Sanders supporters are just starting to realize that. You are going full blown conspiracy.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:16 PM

59. Endorsements matter? As in corporate and establishment insiders who are willing to cheat and lie?

Last edited Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

You know, like the DNC and the Clinton operative who made the software the DNC forces all the competing campaigns to use?

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:06 PM

7. Are your WMDs right next to your massive tinfoil supply?

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:44 PM

44. Is that what Hillary said when she voted to invade Iraq? nt

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Response to mhatrw (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:02 PM

64. Great snark! +1 n/t

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:06 PM

8. They all had access...

...so far as we know only Team Bernie seems to have taken advantage of that access and stolen other's data.

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Response to Happenstance24 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:11 PM

15. ^^^ This. Though "stolen" is not an accurate term.

 

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Response to Happenstance24 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:13 PM

20. Would someone who wanted to steal data always tell they were taking data? We need an audit.

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Response to Happenstance24 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:44 PM

43. I've gotten into the habit of putting low-post-count posters who show up to bash Sanders

 

onto my ignore list.

Seems prudent - you're clearly here with an agenda.

/bye.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:06 PM

9. Creating for divisiveness on DU. Not needed.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:07 PM

11. Just because the vendor is owned by someone who's worked closely with the Clintons

since 1992, and the current CEO was Clinton 2008's CTO?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:13 PM

21. Vendor works on most campaigns, even Obama's.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:23 PM

26. ....

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:45 PM

46. The vendor is Clinton's go to IT person. nt

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:28 PM

32. Tin Foil hats all around!

 

did they or did they not commit this crime?

there are server logs that prove it...

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:11 PM

17. Conspiracy!

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:12 PM

18. Yes, I believe Hillary is running a great campaign.

 

Conspiracy theories only make you look like a conspiracy theorist.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:23 PM

25. Of course they did and they had it in October when Bernie's campaign alerted the DNC.

Thanks for the thread, mhatrw.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:27 PM

31. got proof of that?

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:28 PM

35. Just logic, if the firewall is down it goes both ways

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:30 PM

36. that won't hold water dude..its theoretical

 

did they download data or not?

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #36)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:36 PM

37. The question in the OP was "access" not download, don't be moving the goal posts.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:05 PM

56. Now its about Downloading them huh?

 

trying to hide those goal posts!

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #56)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:07 PM

57. Did you not read your own post #36, you used the term "downloading" that's what I was

responding to, the OP spoke of "access."

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:08 PM

58. Yes...if you open a document on your computer...

 

you just downloaded it....

When you click "Save As" you just saved it...

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:26 PM

30. Accessing it....and downloading and saving it....

 

two very very different animals!

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:28 PM

33. ...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:28 PM

34. EXACTLY!

 

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:38 PM

39. This is getting more and more entertaining

Hillary must have done it too! Of course, she must have! That settles everything right down!

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:36 PM

38. Kicketty Kickin'

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:45 PM

45. Well, of course we're going to believe whatever assists us in rationalizing

Well, of course we're going to believe whatever assists us in rationalizing as righteous and just any action of candidate A, while justifying as being in on a conspiracy should it happen to candidate B.

If we hold both candidates to the same standards, our biases will be illustrated to be just that... and we simply cannot allow that to happen, and so must hold to pretense and illusion.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:46 PM

47. TOS: Don't go overboard with the crazy talk.

Democratic Underground is not intended to be a platform for kooks and crackpots peddling paranoid fantasies with little or no basis in fact.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #47)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:54 PM

52. Yes, but this is Bernie Underground

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:49 PM

49. We have two camps on this thread. People who know a duck when they see it walk & hear it quack

and people who post pictures of tin foil hats because they know any discussion beyond that would make the duck in the room even more obvious.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:49 PM

51. Does anyone not believe that Sander's campaign just got caught stealing data? nt

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Response to Nitram (Reply #51)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:55 PM

53. You can see that it's an almost 50/50 split

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #53)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 03:56 PM

54. Which means 50% accept the facts and 50% are in denial. nt

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Response to Nitram (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:01 PM

55. Pretty much

Which is why I keep getting shades of the conservative side of things in how they view some of their respective leaders. It's pretty disheartening, but this year has made it clear that the blinders are on full and fanaticism has infected the Democratic base.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:00 PM

62. I just posted an OP with some details regarding this if anyones interested.

Its long though. I used to work on the DNC's database quite a while ago.

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Response to bobbobbins01 (Reply #62)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:06 PM

65. Give us a link, please.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Fri Dec 18, 2015, 05:01 PM

63. I have NO doubt that DWS would do ANYTHING or HRC's coronation. n/t

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 11:41 AM

68. They definitely had the access during the 40 minute window.

 

The difference is, all logs show that only one campaign accessed the data and stole it.

The Clinton campaign did nothing during that 40 minute window, unlike the Sanders campaign.

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Response to mhatrw (Original post)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:06 PM

71. Don't you usually need evidence before you make big claims, or even little claims?

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Response to BlueCheese (Reply #71)

Sat Dec 19, 2015, 01:31 PM

72. LOL. A Clinton staffer wrote the program and has full unfettered access to the database! nt

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