Do you think Bernie's campaign downloaded sensitive Clinton voter data?

[Cali_Democrat]

The accusation:

According to data obtained by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of unique voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.

The compromised data reflects major financial investments by the Clinton campaign, and if the Sanders campaign did download and retain Clinton’s campaign data, it would mitigate some of the advantage she may have gained in voter outreach and listbuilding.

http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

Do you think this is true?

43 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
	Bernie's campaign did download sensitive Clinton voter data
	22 (51%)
	Bernie's campaign did not download sensitive Clinton voter data
	21 (49%)
	1 DU member did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[SidDithers]

1. Absolutely...

A series of documents outlining an audit trail maintained by the database company, obtained and reviewed by NBC News, shows that the four individuals spent a total of about 40 minutes conducting searches of the Clinton data. Those searches included terms that point to Sanders' team gaining access to proprietary lists from more than 10 early voting states of Clinton's likely supporters as well as lists for Sanders backers. That data was saved to personal folders.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-campaign-penalized-dnc-after-improperly-accessing-clinton-voter-n482341

Sid

[Fawke Em]

66. Yet, they named them "Not Sanders," which points more to documenting an exploit than

stealing information.

[Happenstance24]

2. Why?

News media already has proof Sanders team took Clinton data for 45 minutes. Hell, the Sanders team admitted this themselves by firing Josh McMoron who proceeded to admit he downloaded Clinton data in a phone interview with Kornacki on MSNBC. Not sure what the point of this poll is.


EDIT: Are there really 6 people who voted no on this? Jesus. And I thought tea party levels of denial was only reserved for the right wing. Wow.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. So far 8 people have voted and said Bernie's campaign did not download the data. nt

[Happenstance24]

9. Shocking. Embarassingly so....-nt-

[Andy823]

52. 30 now are in denial

This is really something. Of course the same group that hated Obama, and called anyone who supported him "blind followers, Obamabots, etc. are the same ones who think Bernie can walk on water, and is always the victim of the "evil" DNC. I honestly think that many of them are not really democrats.

[artislife]

64. The meme that Bernie Supporters hate Obama is tired

Here's a Hillary supporter in his/her own words back in the day.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=919606

moobu2 on Obama, from a thread titled 'Obama loses Clinton supporters':
" I’ve never voted for anyone who wasn’t a democrat, and never will. I just wont vote this year if Barrack is the nominee, seriously, I would die before I’d ever cast a vote for that fake. No one in my house will vote for him either. He cant win the GE anyway. What a waste of a perfect chance to take back the Wh."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5847315


It's not just the extreme smearing of the President as 'that fake' nor it is just your insistence that you would never, ever vote for him. It's mostly about the fact that you insisted he could not win the general election, which in retrospect has been proven to be extremely incorrect, twice.

So did you vote for Obama in 08 after all? How about those 'in your house'? Were you shocked when he won?

Another because it is so very telling:
Another 2008 moobu2 screed:
"For 20 years, virtually ALL of his adult life Barack closely associated with a hateful, vengeful America hating racist. That's not going to heal shit. All that's going to do is give us 4 more years of Repuk rule. "
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5131707

[Jeroen]

3. Yes, but I am more disturbed by the media 'suddenly' paying attention to Sanders n/t

[merrily]

4. Nope--and according to the fired guy, there was no download.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251910870

Waiting for more info to develop.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. hmmm...

A series of documents outlining an audit trail maintained by the database company, obtained and reviewed by NBC News, shows that the four individuals spent a total of about 40 minutes conducting searches of the Clinton data. Those searches included terms that point to Sanders' team gaining access to proprietary lists from more than 10 early voting states of Clinton's likely supporters as well as lists for Sanders backers. That data was saved to personal folders.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-campaign-penalized-dnc-after-improperly-accessing-clinton-voter-n482341

[merrily]

12. Personal folders where?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=911384

Are you trying to find the truth or to find some tidbit you can use to smear? Rhetorical question, of course.

Read this thread and the story in the OP. The guy says what he did and why.

[MH1]

60. "PERSONAL FOLDERS" ARE IN VAN ITSELF.

One thing this little episode is making clear, is that there are a lot of people on this board who have never used the primary voter tracking tool that committee people and other canvassers generally have the opportunity to be trained on and use. Hmmmm ....

Or a lot of these people DO know what they are talking about but prefer to pretend that they don't.

[Fawke Em]

67. Who at NBC reviewed that data?

Because, I'm here to tell you that most reporters wouldn't know data security logs from a hole in the ground.

How do I know? I've been both a reporter and now work for a data security firm.

[tishaLA]

14. then he changed his story by the time MSNBC interviewed him

cuz he said there was when he talked to Steve K

[merrily]

16. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=911384

[tishaLA]

17. that cites a CNN interview. I cited an MSNBC interview

[merrily]

22. Not the point. Read what the guy said in that story and read the thread, esp. Vincadog's comments.

[tishaLA]

24. but I heard the gentleman's voice admitting to downloading

unless it was an impostor, why would I need anything to contradict what the person who committed the act has already said?

[merrily]

25. Even if you did hear it, what the person said originally is relevant. Did he directly contradict

himself If so why? Even in court, prior inconsistent statements are considered highly relevant. Also there is a lot more to that story than just downloading.

But, hey, if more information only gets in your way, whatever.

[tishaLA]

32. there may be more to the story than downloading

(btw, I may have erred in this. I looked back on a thread I posted to and "download" isn't the verb he used; it was "saved&quot , this is a thread about, precisely, downloading. And no, I don't need "more information" than the admission of the fired employee on a national cable news network.

[merrily]

42. Ah, so saved vs. downloaded. Kind of an important distinction. So is reading the guy's reasons for

why he did what he did. At least, I found them important and reasonable.

As far as this thread, I had no idea anyone's use for information was limited to the subject of this thread. What a waste of time for both of us this entire discussion has been! I apologize for giving you the link and taking your time.

[tishaLA]

43. apology accepted. have a great day!

[boston bean]

46. They guy downloaded and then saved the files.

[tishaLA]

47. i know BB, i know

but there's no consciousness like false consciousness, after all.

[JaneyVee]

6. Of course, they have proof.

Who are these people voting no???

[leftofcool]

7. Of course.

[workinclasszero]

10. Bernie freakin admitted it already!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Maybe. But, if so, it rates a major *shrug*.

And, yes, I would respond the same if Hillary's staff did the same.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. No doubt DWS will ban Hillary's campaign and demand an explantation for hiirng such a scoundrel.

"Getting into politics is like stepping into dogshit." From "The Motorcycle Diaries".

Which to cynics like me makes politics so amusing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Can we expect DWS to ban the DNC in response?

This latest example of American politics is approaching "Boxers or Briefs?" proportions.

[merrily]

31. Any sanctions yet on the guy who was paid to keep the data secure, received notice it was not secure

and then did nothing?

[merrily]

50. My deepest apologies. Sanders is the one who hired Hillary's former data guy. I don't

know anything about the contractor the DNC hired. So, so sorry.

[EndElectoral]

15. So many issues here. The DNC seriously jumped the gun before an actual investigation occurred.

1. Did the DNC fail to protect the data?
2. Did those accessible actually have permissions to save and download data or just access/view it?
3. Has a dump been done by the vendor to track data that was accessed improperly by all campaigns?
4. Did the firewall problem allow people outside of campaigns to access data?
5. Is it necessary to have an independent audit of the vendor to get to the truth?

In all fairness I believe the Sanders campaign jumped the gun in firing the campaign data director until a thorough audit could occur, rather than simply suspending him pending review.

The DNC dramatically overreacted before an audit occurred punishing an entire campaign without any proof except anecdotal reporting.

Hillary supporters are happy. Sanders supporters are agitated. O'Malley supporters are silent.

Not the finest moment in terms of justice for the Democratic party. Even this poll is an opinion of people who are reliant on a media which doesn't have much in the way of the questions above, but are generally relying on favorite candidate or incomplete news coverage.

[Motown_Johnny]

18. They fired someone for it so it is pretty hard to say it wasn't done.

Beyond that, we know very little at this point.

[EndElectoral]

20. They fired him becasue they were trying to avoid any perception of impropriety.

He says he did nothing wrong. That he did NOT export data. The Sanders campaign fired him anyone, not suspended him, which would have been a more appropriate action.

But as you say we really know very little at this point, so this poll is kind of meaningless.

[VanillaRhapsody]

27. except of course...WE DO KNOW

there is such a thing as server logs....it will provide the digital version of a paper trail.

[questionseverything]

39. and a clinton loyalist controls those logs

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

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[VanillaRhapsody]

40. hahahahahaha

Is that the talking points? Denial is not a river in Egypt...

You realize those DO exist physically right? It appears your answer is:

Nuh Uh!

[merrily]

34. Firing a guy doesn't mean he did it. Better to fire first, ask questions later and, if warranted,

make amends. You can always reinstate with back pay if it turns out the guy did nothing wrong. Then he just gets extra paid time off. However, if an investigated uncovers shenanigans, good thing you got him out the door fast, before he did more damage.

(This is a general statement, not limited to this guy. It could well be that this guy confessed wrongdoing to the Sanders campaign I have no idea.)

[Cali_Democrat]

62. But 40 people on DU say it wasn't done.

See the poll results.

[VanillaRhapsody]

26. They must be having a very bad day

because they KNOW that they did...there are server logs!

[dlwickham]

55. just stop posting and confusing them with facts

let them live in their own little world of ignorance

[Fawke Em]

72. That YOU don't know how to read. eom

[notadmblnd]

28. I think if they did, they did it at the direction of their boss Josh Uretsky

whom I read was affiliated with HRC's 2008 campaign.


on edit I mis-spoke. It is the vendor who was affiliated with HRC's 2008 campaign.

"Turns out that Nathaniel Pearlman, the CEO of NGP-VAN, the company that is responsible for the data leak that got Sander's campaign banned by the DNC from seeing Democratic party voter roles, was the chief technology officer of the Clinton 2008 campaign."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathaniel_Pearlman

Josh Uretsky was hired by Sander's campaign in September

He has also been involved in politics for several years-
Uretsky has been involved in Democratic politics for several years, his LinkedIn profile shows.

He worked as a staffer on Patrick Murphy’s Congressional campaign in 2006. From 2007 to 2008 he was a “grassroots leader for Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign in Philadelphia,” serving as a co-chair of Philadelphia for Obama.

He has also worked on local Pennsylvania campaigns, and was the Pennsylvania Data and Targeting Manager for America Votes from 2011 until he was hired by the Sanders campaign.

“Prepared and presented data driven analysis of partisan political opportunities and needs using SQL, VAN, GIS and other tools. Determined key regions for electoral program and competitive districts,” he wrote of his role with America Votes. “Managed voter file access for partner organizations and their consultants including administration, security, training and technical assistance. Managed deputy staff.”


http://heavy.com/news/2015/12/josh-uretsky-bernie-sanders-campaign-national-data-director-fired-photos-bio-age-who-improperly-accessed-clinton-data-democratic-dnc-system-access/

[MrWendel]

29. Well...

Bernie and his supporters wanted more media coverage.

[merrily]

37. Apparently, you did not understand the stories about the Tyndall Report or the Tyndall Report itself

[MrWendel]

45. The active conspiracy and collaboration...

to under report Bernie between the corporate networks? Nope not at all. Good thing Martin O'Malley has nothing to complain about right?

[merrily]

48. Instead of repeating yourself pointlessly, you should be trying to understand the things

referred to in Reply 35.

[MrWendel]

49. What I do understand completely...

is that if Bernie if ever invited to someone's house, DO NOT use the good silverware!

[comradebillyboy]

53. Now that's just mean

[still_one]

30. Ok I admit, kittens are nice

[itsrobert]

33. Didn't the Sanders' Campaign already admit they did?

Why would they fire people if they did not?

[Sheepshank]

38. Yes, they did. Yet look at the numbers that responded "no" to the poll nt

[tishaLA]

44. false consciousness nt

[Sheepshank]

35. Will Bernie win this on line poll? Nt

[upaloopa]

36. So far we have only some news reports

I am not sure at this point what the truth is. I think we will know for sure soon

[Fluothane]

41. Of course they downloaded the data

His campaign already admitted they "inappropriately reviewed and saved Hillary Clinton campaign data made available as a result of a software error"

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-campaign-threatens-to-sue-dnc-216942

This story however, is getting out of hand quickly. Bernie is a good person who has some interesting and inspiring ideas for change in America. It is a shame his staffers took part in this.

[Gothmog]

51. Statement from Clinton campaign

[Andy823]

54. Good statement.

Bernie should have said that he would do everything he could to make sure any data download was deleted. Whoever is advising him is making a big mistake here, and it won't help Bernie at all.

[MeNMyVolt]

56. They already admitted it.

[Cali_Democrat]

59. Well....if you look at the poll, 38 DUers don't think they accessed the voter data

Even through Bernie's campaign admits to accessing the data, Bernie supporters are saying they didn't access the data.

[Number23]

68. Which appears to mean absolutely fuck all to a number of people here

Which is of course disturbing, but in no way surprising.

[Gothmog]

57. Fired Sanders Staffer: We Saved Clinton Voter Data To Prove Breach

Here is the third or fourth story from the Sanders campaign http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/josh-uretsky-clinton-data-breach

The former data director for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)’s presidential campaign said Friday that staffers for the campaign accessed and saved voter information from opponent Hillary Clinton in order to prove to the Democratic National Committee that their voter information system had been breached.

In a phone interview, Josh Uretsky told MSNBC’s Steve Kornacki that the Sanders staffers “wanted to document and understand the scope of the problem so that we could report it accurately.” Uretsky was fired Friday after news of the breach broke.

He said that he and other staffers accused of accessing the confidential information “knew that what we were doing was trackable” and they did not “use it for anything valuable.”

The DNC has temporarily suspended the campaign’s access to all of their voting records, a move that the Sanders camp has vowed to fight in federal court if it continues.

[Cali_Democrat]

58. kick

[ismnotwasm]

61. Well it depends on what you mean by "downloaded"

"Obtained files" is so.. Open ended.

But yeah they got some shit.

[Blue_In_AK]

63. I voted "did not" just because I think this whole thing

was blown out of proportion and the DNC over-reacted.

[Cali_Democrat]

65. So you voted that they didn't access and save Clinton voter data......

Then how do you explain this:

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After Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign was disciplined by the Democratic National Committee for improperly accessing the Hillary Clinton campaign’s proprietary voter database, documents obtained and reviewed by NBC News appeared to show that at least four individuals affiliated with the Sanders campaign conducted searches and saved the Clinton campaign’s lists of potential voters over a period of more than 40 minutes.

NBC News has verified the authenticity of the documents, which appear to shed new light on the depth of the data breach, with a secondary source.

<...>

Another person familiar with the investigation also told NBC News that a total of four individuals affiliated with the Sanders campaign appear to have accessed the data, including Uretsky and Deputy National Data Director Russell Drapkin.

A series of documents outlining an audit trail maintained by the database company, obtained and reviewed by NBC News, shows that the four individuals spent a total of about 40 minutes conducting searches of the Clinton data. Those searches included terms that point to Sanders’ team gaining access to proprietary lists from more than 10 early voting states of Clinton’s likely supporters as well as lists for Sanders backers. That data was saved to personal folders.

It also appears that Drapkin “suppressed” two folders after the database company became aware of the breach.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data


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[Blue_In_AK]

71. I have no idea, nor do I care.

I doubt that the Sanders campaign would have filed a lawsuit if they were terribly worried about what might come out.

[NuclearDem]

69. I don't know. All that matters is a Sanders campaign staffer accessed it at all.

And I frankly don't blame the DNC for locking the campaign out. They shown they can't be trusted to act appropriately if given the opportunity.

[Cha]

70. Brawawaaaa 45 download truthers!

[Cali_Democrat]

73. LOL