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another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:00 PM Dec 2015

If Secretary Clinton hasn't already done so . . .

She should waste no time in releasing a statement that supports the Sanders Campaign's continued access to the DNC's data base of likely Democratic voters. Noting that it could taint her potential nomination victory and alienate any number of Sanders-supporting Democratic voters, she should call for prompt reversal of the decision to block data base access. The last thing we need is thousands of Sanders Democrats staying at home on election day!

The Sanders Campaign staffer who hacked into private information on the Clinton Campaign has been fired and it really is unlikely anyone else will attempt to duplicate that bonehead's stupid move, so what is really to be achieved by denial of access anyway, revenge? That seems like a very lame excuse for the damage this move could do to Democratic chances next November.

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If Secretary Clinton hasn't already done so . . . (Original Post) another_liberal Dec 2015 OP
She should, but will she? fleur-de-lisa Dec 2015 #1
Blatantly obvious. Also how the HRC campaign acted in 2008. PufPuf23 Dec 2015 #22
You mean to appease the #BernieOrBust crowd? JaneyVee Dec 2015 #2
Call it what you will . . . another_liberal Dec 2015 #7
No -- because it an opportunity to show the graciousness that many have described her as karynnj Dec 2015 #14
I agree - I think she will upaloopa Dec 2015 #3
Thank you for the link . . . another_liberal Dec 2015 #8
If she sees an advantage in doing so, she will.... daleanime Dec 2015 #4
Pretty stupid not to if it means losing a big junk of his supporters. Dawgs Dec 2015 #10
ni and lose many of us she will. artislife Dec 2015 #13
It's a Catch-22. IF the Clinton campaign were to say "let him have the same access he had Monday" cherokeeprogressive Dec 2015 #5
Good point . . . another_liberal Dec 2015 #12
I don't think so, the SBS Data Director and four other people accessed data they knew they shouldn't uponit7771 Dec 2015 #6
You seem to have a more detailed source than I do . . . another_liberal Dec 2015 #9
I fully agree with your first paragraph. NCTraveler Dec 2015 #11
Yes, it would be the smart thing to do . . . another_liberal Dec 2015 #17
I wouldn't use the word "hacking" Eric J in MN Dec 2015 #15
So the offense was to look at what shouldn't have been available but was? another_liberal Dec 2015 #18
That would be pretty disingenuous, because she's probably behind the whole thing anyway. [n/t] Maedhros Dec 2015 #16
Exactly. nt 99Forever Dec 2015 #21
She made Bernie's data guy download those files? comradebillyboy Dec 2015 #23
She should also broker a deal on more debates, and soon! highprincipleswork Dec 2015 #19
Well said! another_liberal Dec 2015 #20

fleur-de-lisa

(14,704 posts)
1. She should, but will she?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:05 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie has come to HRC's defense in the past. I don't see her having the decency to do the right thing to help him with this issue.

I fear that HRC will do anything to win the nomination, and will, in the process, lessen our chances of winning the general.

PufPuf23

(9,855 posts)
22. Blatantly obvious. Also how the HRC campaign acted in 2008.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:35 PM
Dec 2015

"I fear that HRC will do anything to win the nomination, and will, in the process, lessen our chances of winning the general."

Agree.

karynnj

(60,968 posts)
14. No -- because it an opportunity to show the graciousness that many have described her as
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015

having. It is a huge gift to her actually that this happened. She can - with no loss to her campaign say that the DNC needs to do a better job on this and that she accepts that Sanders campaign has taken responsibility for this.

I suspect that in any campaign, there are things that happen - done by someone with enough access to do them - that the candidate would be very unhappy to know about. While it is true that the candidate sets the tone for the campaign, anyone who has read much about many campaigns knows that there are people - who energized working on the campaign ignore the actual values of the person running the campaign. (I seriously doubt that HRC herself would ever had said many of the really ugly things said by people running her campaign in 2008.) All any can do is fire anyone who steps too far over the line - whether "caught" or not.

Note that there is absolutely no indication that Sanders himself authorized this or would have approved of it. Now, if you want to say that this was poor management -- then ask if you hold HRC responsible for whatever any person reporting to her -- as Senator, SoS, or her campaign did.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
3. I agree - I think she will
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:07 PM
Dec 2015

If she does maybe people will understand that she isn't in league with the DNC to defeat Bernie

Here is the link to get a message to her campaign. Please be polite.

https://forms.hillaryclinton.com/contact

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
4. If she sees an advantage in doing so, she will....
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:07 PM
Dec 2015

if she thinks this could destroy the Sanders Campaign, she won't. Just like she launched the idea of Bernie as a sexist, then refused to confirm or deny it. It's all about what benefits Hillary nothing else matters.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
10. Pretty stupid not to if it means losing a big junk of his supporters.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:13 PM
Dec 2015

And, she will need every last one of them.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
5. It's a Catch-22. IF the Clinton campaign were to say "let him have the same access he had Monday"
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:08 PM
Dec 2015

and the DNC did? What would it say about who's calling the shots at the DNC?

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
12. Good point . . .
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:15 PM
Dec 2015

Still, I think the Clinton Campaign should take the high road and suggest access should be reinstated. It will pay off in the end.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
6. I don't think so, the SBS Data Director and four other people accessed data they knew they shouldn't
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:10 PM
Dec 2015

... be looking at.

Then, never called the vendor to inform them that this data was accessible so the vendor could take appropriate action.

Then blamed the DNC

...

I would sit back and see where this goes if I were Hillary

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
9. You seem to have a more detailed source than I do . . .
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:13 PM
Dec 2015

Any chance you might provide a link?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. I fully agree with your first paragraph.
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:13 PM
Dec 2015

She should add that an independent investigation should also happen. The Sanders campaign is giving conflicting stories.

But Clinton should without a doubt call for Sanders to have immediate access to the data.

Game, set, match; Clinton walks away with the election.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
17. Yes, it would be the smart thing to do . . .
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:22 PM
Dec 2015

Doing so will likely help her standing with undecided voters and even with Sanders supporters, if she is the Democratic nominee.

Eric J in MN

(35,639 posts)
15. I wouldn't use the word "hacking"
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:18 PM
Dec 2015

...for buggy DNC software showing one campaign the report-criteria used by another campaign.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
18. So the offense was to look at what shouldn't have been available but was?
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:26 PM
Dec 2015

It sounds like the DNC should be firing people as well as the Sanders Campaign.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
16. That would be pretty disingenuous, because she's probably behind the whole thing anyway. [n/t]
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:19 PM
Dec 2015
 

highprincipleswork

(3,111 posts)
19. She should also broker a deal on more debates, and soon!
Fri Dec 18, 2015, 04:27 PM
Dec 2015

As you say, but in reference to debates, "She should waste no time in releasing a statement that supports the Sanders and O'Malley Campaign's continued appeal for more debates. Noting that it could taint her potential nomination victory and alienate any number of Sanders and O'Malley - supporting Democratic voters, she should call for prompt reversal of the decision to block mass recognition of all the candidates, in order that a truly informed decision can be made by the electorate. The last thing we need is thousands of Sanders and O'Malley Democrats staying at home on election day!"

Couldn't say it better myself, and having been saying this for months. Typical reaction of Clinton supporter and DNC? Yawn.

But I know for sure that these actions will have counter-actions, if not remedied, and the results will likely not be pretty.

Party Unity through an observably and commonly agreed to be fair nomination process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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