If all DNC data was available to all candidates... Hmmm

[TheProgressive]

I am sure the Clinton campaign downloaded Sander's data.

It just that DWS and the DNC will not admit that Clinton accessed
other candidates data.

As another poster stated - this is pure Rovian tactics.

Pure evil on the part of the DNC and DWS....

How can any decent Democrat accept this?

[fredamae]

1. Sanders Camp Alerted Months Ago

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/263730-report-sanders-campaign-told-dnc-of-data-issue-months-ago

His Own info was compromised...and even perhaps MOM info.

[NCTraveler]

2. All current facts seem to go against what you are saying.

At the same time, we are clearly early into this. From what we have heard, that would involve the Clinton campaign also stealing Sanders aides credentials to access the information. Where have you heard that happened?

[notadmblnd]

57. No. No one from the Sander's campaign stole anyone from Clinton's campaigns credentials

If you believe that, you need to prove it. In fact, a DNC spokesperson specifically said on MSNBC this was not a hack.

Access to HRCs info was left accessible by the company (a company whose owner has connections to both DWS and HRC) hired to administrate that data. Which also means that people on the HRC side could also access Sander's info.

Unfortunately Sanders has no way of finding out if anyone accessed his data as his campaign has arbitrarily and wrongly been denied access to his data. Data that his campaign paid the DNC thousands to gain access to. The DNC is in violation of their contract with the Sander's campaign and Sander's campaign is rightly sueing for that access back.

This is a DNC generated shit storm and it's going to make HRC look bad if she does not step up and display her leadership abilities by admonishing DWS and the DNC for thier agregious error.

[comradebillyboy]

3. Assertion without evidence, kind of slanderous I think

[TheProgressive]

10. Do you think DWS or Clinton would admit accessing Sander's data?

There is enough evidence that DWS and Clinton will do anything to win...

[Hepburn]

18. Slander is spoken; libel is written.

If you are gonna insult, at least use the correct terms. Sheeeeeesh...

[comradebillyboy]

27. Thanks for pointing out the distinction, I learn

something new every day. Happy Holidays to you!

[Hepburn]

30. Both are called as a general category "defamation," wether written and/or spoken.

No problem. Have a good one, too!

[wildeyed]

35. and it's "whether", BTW

Wether is a castrated ram.

[Hepburn]

36. Yep, a typo, thanks!

[senz]

40. I love your precision, Hepburn.

Clarity is a good thing.

[Hepburn]

53. Thank you!

I am waiting to see what the Feddies will do with this. IMO, there is no way it can stand because what the DNC did was not a term of the agreement.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. If it's true that Bernie's campaign downloaded Clinton's voter data...

....then most Dems will reject Bernie and his campaign.

The evidence indicates that Bernie staffers did indeed improperly access and download sensitive Clinton voter data.

[Dawgs]

6. Wow. You really don't get the Bernie voter, do you? n/t

[PatrickforO]

5. I don't accept this.

Clearly some money changed hands and the Clintons have accessed Sanders' database too. I know because I get Clinton emails and I've never, and will never, give her a dime.

But...'Patrick are you with me?'

No, I'm not. This infuriates me. A couple of Sanders underlings got fired for accessing Clinton's data, but NO one is saying anything about how much or how long the Clinton staffers have been doing the same. Especially considering the Sanders campaign reported this shit two months ago.

So, no Hillary, I will NEVER be with you.

[LiberalArkie]

9. I got a Hillary e-mail back in November at an email address I have only had for 4 months.

I have used it for Bernie but no other candidate.

[Hepburn]

19. Hmmmmmmm....

....veddy interesting!

So how did DWS and HRC get that addie?

[LiberalArkie]

20. Well I only used it for Bernie, DU and DI. I just always assumed that DU or DI sold it.

[Hepburn]

23. Wow...now if that is true, it's very sad. n/t

[LiberalArkie]

25. I did not worry about it, I set up the address for the political season and always delete it

later on. You can't put an email address in anything without someone selling it for a penny or so. I don't know what it goes for any more. I know it did not come from DFA as I got the HRC email before the DFA started their poll. But I have an email for people I know, and one for banks and stores which go straight to trash and one that I set up for political. Really helps.

[senz]

48. I got an email from the Clinton campaign too

and now can't find it. At the time I dismissed it with the thought that they must have gotten my email from my re-election activity with the Obama campaign, and part of that came from the question "are you with me?" as it reminded me of Obama's "are you in?" question. I trashed the email with some annoyance but now will try to track it down. Hmm.

[JaneyVee]

7. Conspiracy theory alert!

[VanillaRhapsody]

8. Apparently it WAS

but only one campaign used it fraudulently!

[TheProgressive]

11. So, what did Clinton do with the data?

[brooklynite]

12. "I am sure".....based on no evidence what so ever

[TheProgressive]

13. Do you think DWS or Clinton would admit to accessing Sander's data?

[brooklynite]

14. Answer: yes

Add to which, you chose to thrown in money being paid.

[TheProgressive]

37. Funny how Clinton got similar data in 2008...

Check out the lawsuit that was filed...

23) Upon information and belief, a similar security incident arose with the NGP VAN
software during the 2008 national presidential primaries, resulting in the unintentional
transmission of Confidential Information to the campaign of Democratic primary candidate
Hillary Clinton (the “Prior Incident”).

[senz]

49. lol, looks like this is how they roll...

[wildeyed]

38. You will not answer a straight question, will you?

You are making a serious accusation. Prove it.

Here is a definition of Rovian tactics since you seemed confused about that:

adj. Of or pertaining to the political theory that a lie told often enough will be accepted as the truth, and that the truth is no longer relevant to democratic politics.

Here's a link with proof: https://www.wordnik.com/words/Rovian

Oh look, another!: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/04/opinion/04krugman.html?_r=0

So Rovian means spreading and repeating untruths to hurt your political opponent. Hmmmmm, who here has been doing that?

[TheProgressive]

42. All the data and facts to prove 'it' lies within the DNC...

The DNC supports only one candidate - Clinton....

[wildeyed]

46. No.

The assertion that the DNC supports only on candidate is a false premise. And the burden of proof lies with you since you are the one making the accusation. Link? Timeline? Something?

You can say "I think" or "I feel" to denote an opinion, but opinions are different than facts.

[JoePhilly]

43. Well ... Hillary did kill Vince Foster!!!!

It does appear that some of DU's loudest Bernie supporters are, at times, totally untethered from reality.

[treestar]

54. based only on wishful thinking

that would even the situation, so it "must" be true.

[Thinkingabout]

15. I have seem numerous posts today creating excuses, theories and making this out

To be more than it is. I understand Sanders campaign access has been denied. As far as the accusations of Hillary's campaign has accessed other candidates data should not be made until there is some evidence of such occurrence no more than you would appreciate a claim that Sanders is the he's of his campaign and ordered the data base to be accessed for by the fact he fired the guy already says he did not approve of this action.

The continuation of bringing this subject over and over is not helping Sanders and will probably result in distrust of Sanders. If he was my candidate I would not keep reposting this subject and give Sanders an opportunity to complete his debate coaching and then prepare a statement so as to put this to rest.

[TheProgressive]

16. Actually, it is Sanders to whom you should trust...

Look at all the evidence...Who has the most to gain? Who is DWS and the DNC
backing?

Do you really think that the DNC, who controls all the data and access, would
say that "oh, Clinton did it too"?

Contrast Sanders credibility vs. Clinton's. There's the answer.

[Thinkingabout]

17. From the excuses I am seeing on DU about the staffer is a

Whistleblower does not give me lots of confidence to believe much coming out of the Sanders camp....

[wildeyed]

39. That is not evidence.

That is your opinion and a bunch of bad rhetoric. There is a difference.

[senz]

50. You are wasting your breath (keystrokes)

on a diehard Clinton supporter.

[fredamae]

21. I am getting calls from HRC Camp

I couldn't figure where they got my contact info from as I have Not signed up for her camp anywhere.
I wonder if.......

[LanternWaste]

22. I'm pretty sure too...

"I am sure the Clinton campaign downloaded Sander's data..."

I too, am sure of whatever validates my biases. It also helps if I accuse non-existent players in this of Rovian tactics, Watergate strategies, and a clear affinity for eating not only babies, but the vernix caseosa they come git-wrapped in upon birth.

Just in case you weren't aware: the day we hold both candidates to the same standard is the day we cease being fans and become voters.

[TheProgressive]

28. Sorry, but I am a voter and holding candidates to the same standards...

First, my vote for Sanders is based on his positions, his life long positions.
His positions are for the people - not just the rich people.

Then add on the blatant bias of DWS for Clinton - it should send shivers down everyone's spine.
Highly un-Democratic.

This entire data thing and the DNC is a hit job and it is so wrong - it reminds me of what
republicans do...

[LanternWaste]

32. I admire both your fandom and your passion.

Allegations lacking evidence is little more than bias-confirmation and self-validation. The self-serving pretense that it's anything but that is what sends shivers from all the way from C1 down to L5.

I admire both your fandom and your passion.

[TheProgressive]

45. See my post #37

[wildeyed]

41. False premise,

then equating Clinton with Republicans. Hmmmm.... Proof? Link? Anything?

[mythology]

24. Pure evil?

Could you be a little more hyperbolic?

Genocide is pure evil. Rape is pure evil. Torture is pure evil.

It wasn't pure evil when the DNC imposed punishments on Florida and Michigan in 2008. It's not pure evil when they are imposing punishments on the Sanders campaign for breaking the rules.

[wildeyed]

44. Be afraid!!!!

Be VERY afraid Because people are saying she is PURE evil so it must be true!!!!! If I repeat it enough times, everyone will believe me. It is pure Rovian genius.

[Renew Deal]

26. You need to let go of the conspiracies

[TheProgressive]

29. It is always funny when one poster tells another poster what to do...

[LanternWaste]

33. Almost as funny as when one poster tells us what's decent and acceptable.

Almost as funny as when one poster tells us what's decent and acceptable.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other-- but that's often what happens when we hold two candidates to separate standards.

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. Weaver alluded to that in his press conference. They probably DID access Bernie's data files. In

October, they found the firewall down and had probably been down for hours. HRH isn't completely clean here, most likely.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[JoePhilly]

47. Hey look ... another candidate for DU High Priest of Liberalism!!!!!

So you want the job of declaring what "decent Democrats" should and should not accept.



A Bernie staffer got caught trying to cheat, sparky.

Now get down from behind the Lectern.

[notadmblnd]

52. First rule of Rove

whatever you are guilty of doing.... accuse you opponent of doing it first.

[bkkyosemite]

55. I got a Hillary email this last week wow the timing

I also told them exactly what I thought about their email...It's obvious. Never ever got an email from Clinton before not even when I was volunteering for Obama.

[randys1]

56. I dont see why this is even interesting enough to talk about.

So what if teapartiers who want to kill all prisoners at Gitmo or so what if teapartiers who want to bomb fictional Disney cities since Brown people live there might take the WH and all government and the courts if Democrats dont learn to play together.

So what if the party that wants to take the WH over hates Women and Gays and Blacks and Asians and Muslims and Jewish folks?

So what if the Democratic party cares more about the personalities within the party than the party and control of the WH itself?

Hell, I'm not worried.

I am a white, str8t male...dont bother me, well it did but when I was kicked out of BOTH SIDES of the party I work my ASS off for, I stopped caring.

Or actually I didnt because I am not an asshole.

So this NON Person will now do this