Can you even imagine the fallout if Clinton's camp had gotten into Sanders data

[arely staircase]

instead of the other way around?

Holy Shit.

There would be Congressional hearings.

[NCTraveler]

1. Protest would already be planned. Nt

[99th_Monkey]

2. For all we know, Clinton did get into Sanders data

the firewall failure rendered it permeable in BOTH directions, and Sanders people were
simply trying to determine the nature and extent of the breaches and to get DWS & DNC
to fix it, as they had already alerted them once 2 months ago of a similar firewall failure.

The malfeasance is on the part of DWS, DNC and the vendor (who's also conveniently very
cozy with the Clintons, worked in Clinton WH, etc.) for their incompetence in maintaining
the security of the data; not on the part of Sanders' campaign, for trying to fix it.

[libdem4life]

18. This ^^^ and are looking at ti at this time. Duh.

[boston bean]

29. You don't know. Even sanders said there was no evidence of it.

[99th_Monkey]

30. I think Sanders said he "hadn't SEEN any evidence" so far, but

there IS an investigation going on, so we don't know what that will turn up.

[boston bean]

31. hang your hat on that with attempts at deflection. He knows of no evidence..

It's like a 7 year old saying well, you know Tommy might have done it too? Parent: Did he? Tommy: I don't know. But doesn't it make what I did better cause he might have and no one knows.

You can't have an intelligent conversation with people making claims like this. It's impossible. Believe what you want.

[99th_Monkey]

32. If you don't like this conversation, then stop posting.

If you are claiming that Sanders personally has perfect knowledge at this point that NONE of his
data was stolen by Clinton staff, then why even bother having the ongoing investigation about
it, to determine what all went on, when, and by whom? You make no sense on this point.

[artislife]

36. They already did this once in 2008....

I can't remember, did they turn themselves in or was it Obama's side that discovered it?

[99th_Monkey]

38. I don't recall either. this is the first I'd heard about the 2008 thang. nt

[nc4bo]

41. Exactly and, there is past history there.

MORE IMPORTANTLY and what should trouble everyone is, NGP VAN is not trustworthy and displays a disturbing incompetence with protecting the sensitive data entrusted to it.

Why the hell isn't the vendor's competence questioned?

May be its time candidates as well as other clients of NGP VAN find another, more competent company to their data.

[99th_Monkey]

42. Incompetence .. or worse.

I agree that NGP-VAN is at the very least incompetent (and should be given their walking papers), but I strongly suspect there's way more to it than that. And it is more than a little odd, than in all the commentary on the M$M, no one to my knowledge has even brought this up, and questioned this vendors repeated failure to keep the data secure ... but instead keep finger-pointing in Sanders' direction as the 'culprit'.

[Starry Messenger]

3. There'd be blood on the walls here.

Clinton is the actual wronged party in this debacle, and she's still getting the blame. Unreal af.

[Number23]

7. I expect nothing less from this place and I am STILL stunned that not only are people are blaming

Hillary (it is the fastest way to get those all important recs, you know) but are somehow laboring under the illusion that this is good for Sanders or for ANYBODY on the Dem side.

There's confirmation bias and then there's... whatever the shit floating around DU is. This is unreal.

[Blue_Adept]

8. It's reminding me of this

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[Number23]

10. That or much, much worse. A word definitely comes to mind...

[Starry Messenger]

13. Weaver has been tossing around theories that get passed around here and elsewhere.

"Weaver said it was likely that other campaigns accessed Sanders’ voter files, but he did not provide evidence." http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/

I used to give the Sanders campaign the benefit of the doubt, that they weren't responsible for some of the reckless theory-spinning that spreads around the internet among their supporters, but recently I've noticed that these theories tend to come from the campaign leadership. Really baffling.

[Number23]

14. I refuse to believe that the Sanders campaign did anything wrong until given evidence otherwise

But ANYONE that thinks that any of this makes him or his campaign look good is flat out lying to themselves. No two ways about it.

Though that Time article you linked to is damning and it looks bad. Which means one thing -- that our good friends here will very likely be more spittle flecked than usual.

[Metric System]

17. Perfectly put.

[Thinkingabout]

4. There would be fire in the eyes. Hillary's campaign does not need to access Sanders database, they

Are running a good campaign. Hillary is getting endorsements and do not need to write those who have not endorsed her. Her numbers are up in the polls, she is doing well in the debates, she does not to crank up a scandal.

[JaneyVee]

5. End times.

[mhatrw]

6. LOL. A Clinton staffer wrote the program and has full unfettered access to the database! nt

[Hepburn]

9. And you KNOWN Team HRC Coronation has not gotten to the Sanders data?

How about a few facts supporting the premises that HRC and her toddy DWS along with others have not done this?

[NurseJackie]

11. It would be a madhouse ... well ...

... even MORE of a madhouse.

[Bernin4U]

12. Cronyism does have its drawbacks

DNC and NGP VAN both run by fmr Clinton staffers.

Question for you is, if the tables were indeed turned, would both of these groups have reacted the same against her campaign?

[arely staircase]

23. If the tables were turned the rending of garments by Sanders supporters

and media Hillary haters would be 24/7. The wailing and gnashing of teeth would be cranked up to eleven.

[panader0]

15. Seriously--you know they did.

Hilly's buddies run the joint--the firewall issue has been known for months.
You really, I mean Really believe the HRC campaign didn't knowingly exploit the breach?
There's one born every minute.

[Dragonfli]

16. Nothing would have happened (a similar event happened in 08, very interesting)

23) Upon information and belief, a similar security incident arose with the NGP VAN
software during the 2008 national presidential primaries, resulting in the unintentional
transmission of Confidential Information to the campaign of Democratic primary candidate
Hillary Clinton (the “Prior Incident”).

32) Upon information and belief, no action was taken in response to the Prior Incident
in 2008, nor was any candidate’s access to Voter Data suspended as a result of that Incident.

As in Orwell's novel "all animals are equal but some are more equal than others"
Not every animal has the DNC in their pocket to make the same issues result in such different outcomes

[libdem4life]

19. Seems to be a pattern...twice in this campaign...both reported by the Sanders Campaign. Hmmm.

Now we need to look deeper...and who do we find at the center of it? She Who Is Not Trusted Very Much. Let the investigations begin. Really shouldn't take too long. Just another reason she will Never Ever be President. Sorry folk, she just can't help herself. It's just plain habit.

[libdem4life]

20. And how would we know? It was the Sander's campaign who reported the breaches..all Three of them

And I'm no IT specialist, but I'm pretty sure the "breaches" don't go just one way. So, in answer to your "what if" is simple. They wouldn't bother to report it. See how easy that was?

[Nye Bevan]

21. GD-P would be exploding.

I doubt that the website could cope, even after the server upgrade.

[Samantha]

22. Sanders legal filing asserts he has information and belief his data has been breached as well (nt)

[treestar]

24. Yep. Everyone now saying it is no big deal

or not even the Bernie staffer's fault would be saying how corrupt Hillary Clinton is and how this is proof.

[Ino]

25. I did notice at the debate...

when Bernie said there would be an independent investigation because he doesn't know how much of HIS data was accessed by Hillary's group, she did not say anything about that statement at all. So stay tuned.

[Lil Missy]

26. OMG, there would be nuclear fallout!

[cantbeserious]

27. Who Is To Say That This Did Not Occur - This Citizen Would Not Put That Dirty Trick Beyond Them

eom

[Punkingal]

28. We would not have heard about it.

It would have stayed inside the DNC.

[MoonRiver]

33. It would be epic!

[Betty Karlson]

34. Who says they didn't?

They just didn't mention to the DNC that they had the ability to do so.

[Kalidurga]

35. No there wouldn't be

Because Bernie wouldn't have gone to the press. Bernie isn't in cahoots with Derpy Whatta Schmuck (thanks Scootaloo), and Derpy wouldn't have shut Clinton's campaign down if one of her staff members had accessed some of Bernie's files. We don't even know if Clinton would have fired the staffer or not.

[cali]

37. We would never have known about it.

[morningfog]

40. We would have found out is DWS had litigated it.

Instead she folded. Because.....

[morningfog]

39. I would bet money that an investigation would show she did.