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Bernie Sanders and the DNC: It's war
By Dan Merica, Tom LoBianco and Dan Berman, CNN
Updated 8:11 PM ET, Fri December 18, 2015
Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook let loose Friday evening, with Mook described the incident to reporters Friday evening simply "as a very egregious breach and our data was stolen. And he noted Sanders' petition email, which could be seen as a fundraising pitch for the Vermont senator.
"This is incredibly disappointing," Mook said, before driving the knife deeper. "This is someone who said he was going to run a different kind of campaign. Their staff stole data from their campaign and they are now fundraising off it"
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-national-committee-civil-war/index.html
earthside
(6,960 posts)Sanders will win in a knockout.
The DNC chair who led the party to the 2014 election debacle ... a DNC chair of obvious bias.
The DNC has to surrender or lose this "war" or their credibility is going to lead to another election disaster for Democrats.
Cha
(296,853 posts)Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Why we ever let an unprincipled man like that into the party to run for the nomination is beyond me.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That decision is coming back to haunt the democratic party
daleanime
(17,796 posts)PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)I mean, Clinton is your candidate and you say Bernie is unprincipled???
panader0
(25,816 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Dishonest and lacking character, too.
Cha
(296,853 posts)President Obama.
BS isn't the pure entity his fans make him out to be. And, now his team has sabotaged their own campaign and trying to weasel out of it.
Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)He spent years attacking the DNC and Democrats, then became a Democrat only after he decided he wanted to be president because he needed access to the party's fundraising apparatus.
Sanders wants it both ways: he wants to be seen as the "anti-establishment" candidate, but wants access to the money and fundraising apparatus of said "establishment."
He's been a member of the party only for the last 6-8 months of his 30-year political career, yet he wonders why the DNC isn't moving heaven and earth to support him?
If the DNC actually does favor Hillary, maybe it's because she's been a member of the Democratic Party for 45 years, has worked her ass off that entire time to support and elect Democratic candidates all over the country, and brings in millions of dollars to support those candidates.
Roy Ellefson
(279 posts)another reason why this lifelong Dem who has voted for Carter, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, Obama, Feingold, Baldwin, Proxmire, Nelson, Obey, Kind etc. etc. etc. etc. will absolutely never ever ever vote for HRC
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)It's your candidate I expect this will ultimately take out of this race.
Cha
(296,853 posts)the party.
Now he's a hypocrite whose team sabotaged their own campaign so he sues the DNC.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Cha
(296,853 posts)would they have to steal Hillary's data?
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Cha
(296,853 posts)Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/
morningfog
(18,115 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)our party right before the 2016 election.
What a man.... !!
That integrity is just fuckin' blinding me.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)shit ain't it?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)before being allow to participate in the 'Democratic' Party.
And yeah, I can see you have a hard time dealing with integrity. Hope you feel better soon.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)and yes, on this issue, you better believe I'm questioning your integrity.
Especially since the investigation has just began.
I just hope your not successful in killing the party with this, which I see as a very likely outcome. But I suppose as long as Hillary gets elected that all that matters.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)which was yours I believe.
Of course I could be wrong about that, are you still yourself? And if you're not, who are you?
Well, who ever you are try to get a good nights sleep, the next few week look to be very interesting. See you in court.
Number23
(24,544 posts)campaign "reported" the flaws in the system to the DNC, that somehow makes their deliberate accessing of files they knew they should not be accessing okay.
DAMN. I wish the whole worked this way.
"Officer, I told the guys running this liquor store their security camera was broken. Why y'all coming after me just because I exploited the defective security system and helped myself to a couple hundred bottles of MD 20/20??!"
SERIOUSLY,
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)priceless. Truly.
Hey, woman. It is great seeing you. I have not run into you since I got back.
Happy holidays to you all.
Number23
(24,544 posts)This whole thing is a clusterfuck of spectacular proportions. Sanders was already down 30+ points in the polls. This is the last fucking thing IN THE WORLD that his campaign needed and in-fighting is the last thing the Dems need.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Hekate
(90,560 posts)Bernie is a Dem only for convenience. He currently gets all the perks that come with running as a member of OUR party -- and make no mistake, that DNC data base is a BFD that individual candidates cannot AFFORD to replicate, much less someone like Sanders the Independent from Vermont.
His campaign staffers screwed up royally, and they did it all by themselves. It's not Debbie Wasserman Schultz's doing, much less Hillary Clinton's.
Yet watch the faithful go ballistic....
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)busts ass to destroy it.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Hekate
(90,560 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)His hyperbole is ridiculous - "they are now fundraising off it. " How does this clown know that?
A Sanders-Clinton war could lead to a Cruz or Trump presidency, with a fully Repuke Congress.
emulatorloo
(44,070 posts)There was a big red CONTRIBUTE button at the end of the email.
So that emal I guess is what Mook is referring to.
But that CONTRIBUTE button is on EVERY e-mail I get from the campaign.
So as far as I,m concerned I don't see any problem, obviously a template or something
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)The Clinton campaign should distance itself from this and let it play out between the DNC and the Sanders campaign. I get that he's angry, but I think this is a tactical error.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Piling on is not a good idea.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)if Clinton's camp did this?
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)And I will give you some empathy when someone proves her campaign suffered damage.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)GusBob
(7,286 posts)The guy is a loser
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Let them regret the day they ever thought they could get away with this unmitigated bullshit.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)Debbis Wasseman Schultz. For the Clinton Campaign this is taken directly from the Republican campaign style play book.
For Robby Mook..you sound just like Karl Rove when come up with Bull shilt like this .
This is Atwater tactics even....
You should be ashamed.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)As you would know if you were involved in the Democratic Party.
Sanders' campaign is suffering a purely self-inflicted wound. Heads will -- or should -- roll in HIS campaign, because THEY screwed up.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)he fired Howard Dean.
But you are saying DWS did nothing wrong?
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)and Clinton is dominating the Democratic race, leading 59%-26% nationally, according to a Monmouth University poll Wednesday."
This was LITERALLY the last thing in the world his campaign needed.
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Cha
(296,853 posts)Ha! bern says a lot of things.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Cha
(296,853 posts)the one who's doing the "screwing".
Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files
http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/
jfern
(5,204 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)on the online polls, meanwhile HRC is over 55 % and better.
kathysart_decoration
(86 posts)I can't believe that anyone would be buying this man's - and the HRC campaign's - FAUX outrage. There is great transparency here if you are willing to look it straight in the eye. It's depressing
INdemo
(6,994 posts)What the Clinton campaign is doing(Campaign manager Robby Mook) now is taking this issue turning it around and making it appear as if this is all Bernie Sanders campaigns fauilt.
This is how the Republicans actually won in 2010,and in 2012 ,and they tried this BS in 2012 by taking the budget crisis and other issues of 2007-2008 then the AFC 2010 and in 2012 other issues and failures the Republicans screwed up on and blamed it all on the on the Democrats. It worked.
What the Clinton campaign is doing now with this "breach" issue is turning this around and blaming Sanders.
This is right out of the Karl Rove,Lee Atwater, Reince Priebus and Cheney's playbook.
The difference here is then the Democrats didnt fight back,(wonder why)2011 Debbie became DNC chairman .
But now the Sanders campaign will fight back and DWS and the Hillary campaign will lose on this issue