It is like Bernie supporters are being groomed by

[applegrove]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by BooScout (a host of the 2016 Postmortem forum).

psychopaths to think that they and their leader are perfect. That is the first step in getting people to scapegoat. The only adult way to be safe is to accept good and bad in yourself and your leaders. That way republicans in sheep's clothing on the DU and elsewhere will not be able to manipulate Bernie supporters into going into a frenzy destroying the Democrats. Mistakes were made by both the DNC and Bernie's staff. Hillary's campaign has done nothing here. She has made mistakes and will do so again sometime. Don't let GOP **** disturbers log onto the DU as Democrats and convince you that any campaign is perfect. None ever is. No person ever is. Stop the black and white thinking. Stop scapegoating Hillary for this. Stop thinking Bernie is all good. He's lovely but not an absolutely perfect leader. That only exists when psychopaths are around and they 'grow people down' to childlike thinking. We are all the Democrats. The Adults in the room. Let's act like it and accept we, and those who lead us with their campaigns, are never always 100% spot on with every act and thought.

[Cali_Democrat]

1. DU isnt representative of the real world

Polls consistently indicate that Dems would be happy with either Hilllary or Bernie.

[applegrove]

3. That's true for me and all the people I know.

[RKP5637]

103. Yep! Same here. I like both of them! n/t

[Iliyah]

22. I know, that goodness for that - LOL

[BlueMTexpat]

78. I keep having to remind myself of that.

But based on the OTT reactions by some Bernie supporters here - with nary a recognition that there was a cause for the DNC's action - I will have a very bad taste in my mouth if I have to vote for Bernie in the GE.

But vote for him I will if that is the case. I know what's at stake.

[Hepburn]

2. You really seriously think HRC had no in-put on this?

This set up reeks of Hillary. There is NO way that DWS would have done this without the consent and support of Hillary.

[NanceGreggs]

4. So post the evidence.

You made the statement - back it up with facts.

[Hepburn]

5. Oh, please...dirty politics and Hillary go hand-in-hand.

Even you have to admit that the truth some times...I would hope.

[NanceGreggs]

7. So you say.

If you have any evidence - besides "because I think so" - post it.

[bvf]

19. Said the poster

known for making statements and failing to back them up with facts.

[NanceGreggs]

23. Such as? n/t

[bvf]

31. Don't get dizzy, y'hear?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1014&pid=1290320

[roguevalley]

45. don't bother to answer. After all, we're all 'psychos being groomed' or

some such shit.

[bvf]

67. I find her non-answers to be sort of precious, actually.

There also seems to be a small clique hereabouts that curiously lapses into schoolgirl patois (e.g., "whatev&quot when stuck for an answer. This has become much more noticeable lately.

[NanceGreggs]

51. Your point being ....?

[merrily]

58. +1

[Leftyforever]

27. nancy please answer...

why do you think 2 of the 6 debates are scheduled on a Saturday night.... please honestly answer that question

[NanceGreggs]

34. I wouldn't know.

I would imagine the TV networks that carry the debates have the last say as to what time is available as per their schedule, especially at this time of year when "Christmas specials" have been booked far in advance, and sponsors have already paid for specific airtime slots.

I can tell you that for some people (myself among them), weekend debates are preferable to week-nights, due to work schedules. You can't please all the people all the time - and some people will always find timing to be convenient or not, depending on their own schedules.

Most importantly, though, in this day and age, there is no reason for anyone to "miss" a debate they want to see. Most people have DVRs and/or access to watching the debates - at a convenient time for them - on line.

I always find it amusing to see a poster here rant about how they "can't see" the debate because it's on a night when they have other plans - when that same poster talks about recording "The Walking Dead" so they can watch it when convenient.

You're either interested in the debates, or you aren't. And if you are, their original broadcast time is of no consequence.

[Leftyforever]

37. really...that's your answer..

please... that is insulting to my intelligence

[NanceGreggs]

39. Whatev. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

77. I'm also home on Saturday nights.

And I rarely have to be up at the crack of dawn on Sunday.

I also have one of them new-fangled recording devices, if something airs at a time that's inconvenient for me to watch.

So Saturday night debates are a problem? In what respect, Charlie?

[RoccoR5955]

96. Just because many of us have a social life

doesn't mean that people are not doing other things on Saturday night. For instance, many go grocery shopping on Saturday night. It is the last Saturday before Christmas to go shopping.
Besides, later on Saturday night there are so many discos to go to.
And I can't help it if you folks don't get invited to parties. Perhaps you might try changing your deodorant.

some sarcasm intended.

[betsuni]

107. Obviously my attempt at trying to be amusing has failed. I was being sarcastic.

Will delete if people continue to think I'm serious and an idiot.

[AgingAmerican]

85. Lipstick meet pig - "debate times dont matter!"

Spin won't undo it. Genies out of the bottle, and it ain't going back in!

Thanks to DWS/Hillary, interest in the debate tonight will be huge! Thanks for going a bridge too far, Blinky!

[NanceGreggs]

88. No, debate times don't matter ...

... in a world where anyone can record a debate to watch when convenient, or watch it on-line.

I'm sorry you feel that the fact that people use modern technology on a regular basis is "spin".

[AgingAmerican]

89. Yes they do

They knew exactly what They were doing, and so do you hence the hyper spin/defensiveness.

[NanceGreggs]

90. I don't see any need ...

... to defend the fact that people who want to watch a debate have access to it at any time that is convenient.

Many people right here on DU talk about how they record "The Walking Dead" or "Game of Thrones" to watch at their leisure - are those same people incapable of recording a debate?

[Unknown Beatle]

91. If that's the case, why won't DWS schedule

more debates? People have been asking her for more debates and on weeknights and she refuses to budge. Major organizations have asked for more debates but still she says no. Major publications think that DWS is doing it because it helps Hillary and I and many on DU think that's the case.

Debbie and Hillary are good friends and there's nothing more that DWS wants than for Hillary to be president. I mean, c'mon. It's out in the open and very obvious to all that DWS is trying very hard to get Hillary elected when she's supposed to be unbiased in her role as DNC chair.

[Chitown Kev]

13. and Hillary would have no more of an advantage

then she already has.

She's leading the national polls, she has money, she has a big lead in Iowa, within the MOE in NH, a huge lead in SC, she has debated well, she has all of the advantage. It was not to Hillary's advantage to concoct this BS with DWS...

[NanceGreggs]

24. But we are supposed to believe ...

... that the clear front-runner, who is waaaay ahead in the polls, would jeopardize her entire campaign, and her bid for the presidency of the United States, by engaging in "dirty tricks" in order to gain an advantage she clearly doesn't need.

Seriously.

[Number23]

25. This is why these "dirty tricks" comments make no sense. The woman is WIPING THE FLOOR with Sanders

She is up anywhere from 20-35 points in the polls. She has about 300 times the endorsements he has. The Dem base has her back something like 3 to 1.

I've not been bowled over by her campaign so far at all but there is no denying that Hillary's campaign is winning right now. Why any moderately intelligent person would allow themselves to believe that she would risk her candidacy to come after a man so far behind her it's ridiculous makes absolutely no sense.

[NanceGreggs]

38. Well, that's my thinking, too.

It makes absolutely NO sense.

But I guess that for some, any straw within grasp is worth grasping at - regardless of how senseless it is.

[BlueMTexpat]

80. + about a million. Or so. eom

[99th_Monkey]

40. The evidence would have been in the 'discovery' materials from the lawsuit, and may still be

which once DWS & Co. realized was going to come out into full public view if the DNC continued denying
Sanders access to his own data, that's when the worm turned and DWS decided to blink.

[NanceGreggs]

48. So .....

... the "evidence" doesn't exist - but "would have been" (past tense) in the discovery materials, when the discovery process has not yet begun?

In other words, the "evidence" that has yet to be disclosed is THE evidence - and we all have to wait around for it, and assume its existence in the first place.

[BlueMTexpat]

81. That is certainly a POV

worthy of Minority Report.

[merrily]

14. Of course, something like this is incapable of proof, unless HRC or DWS were to fess up, which is

highly unlikely. However, I agree that DWS would never have done this without, at a minimum, consulting with the Clinton campaign.

Who the DNC's candidate is has been blatantly obvious since 2012 to anyone with a brain. Whether said brain possessor(s) admit(s) it or not is another issue.

[NanceGreggs]

49. So HRC and DWS are guilty of using "dirty tricks" ...

... that no one can prove - unless they "fess up".

Good thinking.

In other words, HRC and DWS are guilty unless they prove their innocence - which they can't, if they are innocent of wrongdoing, because they can't prove a negative.

I hope you never serve on a real jury with that mindset.

[merrily]

50. Of course, that is not what my post said, just your usual games, as mentioned in my prior post.

BTW, do you get called to jury duty in France? I never thought about that. The French Civil Code system is so different from common law. I'd be interested to know if they use juries.

[NanceGreggs]

54. Why would I be called to jury duty in France?

[merrily]

55. Once again, not a reply to what I posted.

[NanceGreggs]

61. Okay, this sillyness here.

You asked me about being called to jury duty in France. I asked why I would be called to jury duty in France - and you call that "not a reply" to what you posted - about me being called to jury duty in France!

This is beyond ridiculous - but incredibly entertaining!

[merrily]

62. Please see Reply 60. Oh, and you misspelled "silliness."

I don't usually point out a mistake like that on the board, if at all, but you are "exceptional" in my willingness to do that.

[NanceGreggs]

68. Your Post #50 ...

... "BTW, do you get called to jury duty in France?"

My response at #51: "Why would I be called to jury duty in France?"

Your response at # 52: "Once again, not a reply to what I posted."

How is that NOT a reply to what you posted?



You are not making ANY SENSE whatsoever.

[merrily]

99. OMG. Maybe I gave you way too much credit? I never even considered the possiblity that you

actually don't get that asking me a question about yourself and posting a roll eye emote is not a reply to a question about whether France uses juries.

Still not sure if you really don't get it or not.

[merrily]

53. BTW, do you disagree with my comment that DWS would never have leaked this sh*t to media

without at least contacting the Clinton campaign first? You see, I don't know your answer to what I actually posted because your pretense at replying to my post pretended my post said something other than what it actually said.

Oh, and, FYI, a political message board is not a courtroom and you're no judge.

[NanceGreggs]

57. And I said a message board is a courtroom exactly where?

If you believe DWS did anything in conjunction with, on the advice of, or in collusion with HRC or her campaign, cite the evidence thereof.

Pretty simple stuff.

[merrily]

60. More non-responsive replies, disingenuousness and pretense about what my post said.

Your standard games are amusing only for the first few posts. They get tedious and tiresome fast.

[NanceGreggs]

64. Your replies ...

... are non-sequitars.

You ask me about jury duty in France (!) and when I respond about jury duty in France, you insist I am not responding to your post about jury duty in France.

Maybe it's time for you to call it a night, merrily - we can pick up this conversation when you stop insisting that my direct replies to your posts are non-responsive to what you've actually posted.

[merrily]

65. It's "non sequiturs," not "non-sequitars." Please see Replies 60 and 62.

[NanceGreggs]

69. They don't make any sense either. n/t

I'm still trying to figure out how my response to being called to jury duty in France is not responsive to your question about my being called to jury duty in France.

[seabeyond]

18. You have nothing to make that statement yet you do it anyway.

[merrily]

56. Now, that reads like an authentic seabeyond post again.

[roguevalley]

44. don't you just love the first sentence of the OP? What a sad day

that they feel such victimhood because we have another opinion? FALA! Love you. There's a scotty down the street from me. The owner named him VERN. BWAHAHAHAHA! I love that breed. They look just like adults when puppies.

[Trajan]

6. What a ridiculous thread ...

Really ... sad ....

[Hepburn]

9. Thank goodness for the "HIDE" feature!

[applegrove]

10. How is it sad?

[Demit]

95. It read as sad to me too.

Words like "psychopaths" and "republicans in sheep's clothing" in a post describing fellow DUers is sad.

[merrily]

102. True.

While "disgusting" or "deliberately offensive to the vast majority of DUers" may have been more accurate, but I don't believe in excessive nitpicking of a poster's word choice.

[merrily]

63. +1 Ya think!

[merrily]

8. Jury results.

It is like Bernie supporters are being groomed by
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251918109

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"groomed by psychopaths" jezus, really?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 19, 2015, 12:09 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[PowerToThePeople]

11. trashing thread.

eom

[Fumesucker]

12. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy

[merrily]

83. Thread win.

[Binkie The Clown]

15. Since this is the Democratic UNDERGROUND, and not the Democratic Establishment,

I feel I should be free to simply say I don't like Hilary, and I don't trust Hilary, and I don't want to vote for Hilary. I'm not saying I won't vote for her if she is the Dem candidate in the general, I'm saying if I have to vote for her, I will hold my nose and do so with much distaste and feeling no cause to celebrate when and if she becomes pres.

[Iliyah]

21. Feelng is mutual with BS

Alas tho, I'll vote for the Democratic Party's nominee.

[madfloridian]

17. "groomed by psychopaths"

That's insulting.

[applegrove]

20. GOP has done push polls by phone for a long time. You

don't think they would do essentially the same thing online? Use the very same tools of the psychopath on the DU? Stir the pot against Hillary in every way? Cause that is insulting to all of us. DU is smarter than that which is why the jury didn't hide the post.

[stillwaiting]

115. You got lucky with the post. That's it. Sometimes it happens. The post is horrible. nt

[Leftyforever]

28. +1

[Scootaloo]

26. Bernie supporters were white supremacists, now we're psychopaths?

Thanks, man

[applegrove]

30. Who said Bernie supporters were white supremacists? As

to psychopaths, the Republicans will spend billions of dollars and 30 years to make their base gullible enough to vote for issues that only help the rich and makes their base lead such harsh lives the base is dying in droves, and ending the IRS and medicare are on the agenda next. You either don't think they use/are psychopaths or you think there is a magic bubble around the GOP's enemies in the Democrats and that you don't think the GOP would manipulate democratic voters on the internet to serve their interest in 2016? Which is it you don't agree with? They are both obvious.

[Scootaloo]

74. You must have sat out the month off August on DU

you don't think the GOP would manipulate democratic voters on the internet to serve their interest in 2016? Which is it you don't agree with? They are both obvious.

I'll take your OP as an example of this.

[Indepatriot]

29. Most condescending DU post I've ever read

[applegrove]

33. Are you saying everyone knows the GOP like to stir the pot on the DU?

That, that is condescending? Or are you really saying that despite generations of GOPdirty tricks, that they'd never cross the line where their sworn enemies are on the DU? Maybe you are saying that it is condescending for me to assume that the GOP are using Bernie because you don't see Hillary as the front runner? But she is far ahead.

[winter is coming]

32. I haven't seen *any* Bernie supporters claim he's perfect.

But if you look at his record, you'll see that he's honest. Maybe that looks like perfection to some.

[applegrove]

36. Oh I do think he comes as close to a saint as one finds in politics. I loved

him on crossfire. He's a good egg. But his campaign did make a few mistakes here. People are human. It will happen.

[Fearless]

35. Oh now, calling DUer's psychopaths? Mature of you.

[applegrove]

42. Obviously I was referring to false flag Bernistas. You don't think

their is a bit of rigidity setting in to some posts? That things are turning black and white on the DU with Hillary all bad and Bernie all good. Even when his staff makes a mistake (DNC also made a mistake or two on this issue) Bernie is all light and Hillary is responsible for it all. I live in a world where the GOP are not so nice as to leave the DU and the Democrats alone online. And I feel sorry for you if you don't.

[Fearless]

43. I think you were calling DUers psychopaths.

Good night.

[applegrove]

46. The psychopaths are the ones giving the marching orders to stir

the pot. Sorry you do not want to think the GOP would be so crass. I do. I have no doubt they are stirring the pot on the Hillary side too.

[Fearless]

47. Again, I said I believe you called DU'ers psychopaths.

[Sherman A1]

79. It certainly comes across that way

in my view and I find that to be a very sad commentary.

[beam me up scottie]

97. Since you're "stirring the pot" with your op aren't you suspect as well?

The psychopaths are the ones giving the marching orders to stir the pot. Sorry you do not want to think the GOP would be so crass. I do. I have no doubt they are stirring the pot on the Hillary side too.

note to jury: don't blame the victim, I've been brainwashed by Bernie's army of psychopaths

[Kalidurga]

52. Oh my that's funny

People who have been lied to since 1992 are saying that Bernie's crew is doing some grooming now to make us think he is perfect.

[merrily]

98. To boot, many of same people who had a lot of problem with use the term "Stockholm Syndrome,"

which use was never intended to be taken seriously. Nonetheless, drama ensued and will probably be troll posted for years to come, much as almost even MannyGoldstein thread gets trolled about his having voted for Reagan at age 18, 35 years ago.

Sometimes this sh*te is amusing and sometimes, it isn't. Today, it's amusing.

[MohRokTah]

59. Thank you for risking a hide to post this truth. eom

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. What I don't understand is ...

Why anyone would take from the OP that Apple was calling Bernie supporters psychopaths?

I thought it was pretty clear, he/she was referencing the gop.

[MohRokTah]

71. It has been my experience that anything perceived in any way to be negative about Sanders

gets alerted.

The odds heavily favor at least one Sanders supporter will be on the jury and will vote to hide.

I have seen posts that were nothing but full and precise quotes from Sanders himself get hidden because Sanders own words painted him in a poor light.

I wonder what the jury vote will be on this post of mine?

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. Oh, believe me I know ...

But, the rush to self-victimization is baffling.

[Iliyah]

93. They see the H and automatically trash the thread and alert

"Democracy' not with them.

[Demit]

101. She stops short, but the implication is there. They are in danger of becoming psychopaths.

If Bernie supporters—who apparently are very childlike in applegrove's mind—aren't careful they will be manipulated by DU "republicans in sheep's clothing" into going into a "frenzy." She is advising Bernie supporters to try to be adults so they can be "safe" from becoming psychopaths.

The purple language might be an effect of posting late at night, but it's really unfortunate.

I try not to get into this vicious stuff between the two camps here, but Jesus Mary & Joseph, what a post!

[1StrongBlackMan]

111. Interesting ... More "implications" ... okay.

[Demit]

117. Yes, 1StrongBlackMan, heavy implications.

And they stink, in my view. Do you think it was very clever of applegrove to not come right out and call Bernie supporters names? Are you saying aha! as if she got away with something? It's obvious she wants to slag Bernie supporters and that's what she did, in cringeworthy, overwrought language.

I don't understand the viciousness. I really don't.

[1StrongBlackMan]

118. Okay. Who am I to question your interpretative abilities.

Even, when I see it differently.

[Douglas Carpenter]

66. more input from the kook fringe of the right-wing- They are not happy enough

that they have the Republican Party in their back pocket. There eyes are set on controlling both parties with their extremist demagoguery.

[Betty Karlson]

72. So now Sanders' supporters are psychopaths?

I never thought camp Clinton would sink to the lowest of low accusations, but there you have it.

Way to act like the adults in the room, guys!

[yuiyoshida]

75. "and their leader are perfect"

and their leader is perfect.

[BlueMTexpat]

86. Just couldn't resist ...

out of context correction.

"... they and their leader are perfect."

The OP is correct.

[AgingAmerican]

82. Too late for that nonsense!

Cats outta the bag! Genie won't go back in the bottle! It's a huge gift to Sanders!

[demmiblue]

84. Well, this is low (but not surprising). Unrec.

[beam me up scottie]

92. First it was Stockholm Syndrome and now DUers are being brainwashed by psychopaths?

Congratulations, you made the Big Book of Bernie Smears! Way to keep it classy!


According to Hillary's supporters on DU Bernie is Israel's #1 shill, a pro gunner that thinks women enjoy being raped, racist, gun nut, scheming little sneak, drooling, sweating old fool, scumbag, pandering phony braggart with some kind of emotional instability, tool for the NRA, Republican man with his head between women's legs, who protects the minutemen militia, pedophiles, racist cops, has rape fantasies, thinks that orgasms prevent cancer, wants the guns in the streets, is supported by Stormfront and has his supporters groomed by psychopaths.






























*note to jury: this post is a direct result of being brainwashed by Bernie's psychopaths, please don't blame the victim

[sarge43]

108. Damn. You're good

Thanks for posting all these blasts from the past. Definitely a keeper for future reference.

[Vattel]

94. Are you calling my hair stylist a psychopath?

[RoccoR5955]

105. Mine is.

his name is Sy Copath.

[sarge43]

109. I don't think mine is.

Comes across as a sweet grandfather. But wait. So is Bernie. There's a pattern here.

[Cosmic Kitten]

100. THIS is what a *well groomed* psychopath looks like

[RoccoR5955]

104. I don't know about you, but I was groomed by wolves and hyenas!

With some killer whales and scorpions thrown in for good measure!
I am still a lifelong Democrat though.

[whathehell]

106. 'Psychpaths'... Really?

Hyperbolic much ?

[DonCoquixote]

110. Don't let GOP **** disturbers log onto the DU?

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Look, I do not put ANY low past the GOP. If they have to do things that would make Stephen King lose his lunch, that would make Hitler, Stalin and Mao look like Camelot's Knights of the Round Table, they will. Part of the reason why I affirm again and again that I will vote for WHO-EV-ER the Democrats nominate is because Florida was a perfect example of GOP using misguided people to win. I have been yelled at many times on this site because people who were NOT in Florida keep telling me that Nader was not a trick used to steal the election. The really hateful part of my soul wishes that these more liberal than thou people could be forced to listen to all the Talk Radio, Smarmy local news, and Water Cooler talks where people BRAGGED about how easy it was for them to pretend to be principled liberals, only to rip their mask off on Wednesday morning. This was the trolling that filled the waves of Tampa radio from, among others, then local radio jock Glenn Beck. He went from being a low rated show to being promoted to where he makes MORE money than Rush Limbaugh, because many people that called pretending to be "principled liberals" called to brag "hey, I was a republican ALL ALONG Glen!"

Now..
THAT being said.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is someone who has a strong track record of FAILURE, who has lost the 2008 Hillary bid, and TWO mid-terms, which gave congress to the GOP. Need I bring up how in Kentucky, Alison Blunders and Crimes ran a campaign demonizing Obama, where she refused to admit that she even VOTED for the man the country did, and acted like she was Joan of Arc being interrogated by the Inquisition. Do I need to bring up how Mitch McConnell went from being vulnerable to going right back into action? Need I bring up Florida, my home state, where she ran Chain gang former vocal GOP Charlie Crist as governor, or for that matter, for good friend Alex Sink, who initially lost to Rick Scott. Need I mention how she is opposing Alan Grayson, the one election night success story in Florida, and trying to get yet another former GOP to run for Congress?

The fact is, Debbie wants to hide the fact that she is a FIASCO, not just incompetent, a FIASCO. Just because she is "loyal" Hillary is letting her drive one of the most important elections in our nation's history. Of course is Debbie going to be competent and honest, NO! She is not only going to cheat, she will be incompetent about cheating, and the result of course will be feeding the GOP tons of ammunition for the general! Keep in mind, every purple state, including Florida and Ohio, are going to need to face stiff resistance in November, including:efforts to make sure anyone not white cannot vote, "lone wolf gunmen" walking around with guns, cops that want to be the next Cop to kill someone and get slapped on the wrist, and we are not even touching the fact that Florida's votes are still easily stolen, especially with Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio more than willing to "help." The very problems Debbie should have been focusing on are still there, made even worse by the fact she is so desperately trying to prove she is not the best good luck charm the GOP has had. And what is the battle cry, but a whip crack, given by DWS, to the people who know she will betray and insult them, yet again, seconds after the finish line.

We will gladly erect the gallows for the GOP, but that is demoralizing knowing Debbie cannot wait to hang us on it before the corpses of the GOP get cold.

and of course, there is Hillary. Yes, I will admit there are far worse his party would offer, but constantly, we are told "no other choice", and it sure does not help to hear many of the 2008 faithful slam and abandon Obama, as if the past eight years were some interregnum until the Holy Queen returns to her rightful throne. Her book "Hard Choices", aka "why I would already be in war in Syria, unlike the man my Husband called a 'wuss'" was a blatant f*** you backstab to a person that frankly, saved her career. If Obama did not take her in, many people would have CHEERED. It sure does not help that in every issue from Syria to Ferguson to KXL to TPP, Hillary only speaks after massive poll taking and foot dragging. Granted, I can get used to 11th hour changes from positions she supported, but do not yell at us for not feeling confident when it is apparent Hillary will only swerve out of traffic at the last second. Add to this that because Debbie is "loyal" (gee Hillary, ask Florida Dems how loyal she is), she is letting Debbie drive this Bus.

And I will say this to sum: again, we do NOTNOTNOT need another self sanctimonious temper tantrum vote or stay at home non vote, which is every bit a GOP vote as the ones your idiot GOP relatives and co workers are waiting in line to cast. But as I said earlier, people who really love this party, and indeed, who want to HELP any nominee, Hillary included win, are not going to just say "yes" to everything. Elvis was not helped by all his yes man goons that kept getting him drugs and fried peanut butter sandwiches.

[sarge43]

112. Great post, sir and right on the money

Of course, you're right. In the pale dawn of the morning after, there is regret. Yes of course, if Clinton is nominated, I will vote for her, but I'll take no joy in it.

[Chan790]

113. Your post serves as perfect evidence of the mirror theory in psychology.

People often accuse opponents they feel threatened by of the very behaviors they are themselves guilty of.

Kleptomaniacs accuse other people of theft.
Liars shout "liars!" at people they've lied to or about.
Hillary supporters suspect Bernie supporters are being groomed to be just like them.

[NCTraveler]

114. K&R nt

[Scuba]

116. I don't think bernie is perfect, just light years better than Hillary.

[BooScout]

119. Locking...

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