Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 03:53 PM Dec 2015

NGP VAN says they were never alerted to such a problem,

-snip-

Just one problem: NGP VAN says they were never alerted to such a problem, and in interviews on Friday afternoon, the former Sanders data director, Josh Uretsky, says the glitch being referred to wasn’t even with the VAN. It was a different program. So not only did the Sanders campaign commit a lie of omission in their fundraising email, it appears they outright lied about the earlier problem to the press. Or, at the very least, this was yet another instance where many people inside the Sanders campaign don’t seem to be on the same page.



Link: http://iowastartingline.com/2015/12/19/sanders-campaigns-reckless-reaction-to-data-breach-is-a-danger-to-all-democrats/

47 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
NGP VAN says they were never alerted to such a problem, (Original Post) JaneyVee Dec 2015 OP
Oh come on, you know someone about to lose their job for gross impropriety wouldn't lie. Hoyt Dec 2015 #1
LOL. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #3
Ahem ejbr Dec 2015 #2
Having been in the software business for 35 years, Jarqui Dec 2015 #4
their CEO is a Clinton campaign operative Doctor_J Dec 2015 #5
Certainly glad I took the time to read the entire article. dgibby Dec 2015 #6
The prior glitch was not about the VAN. nt SunSeeker Dec 2015 #7
Given the OP's less-than-stellar track record, this does not shock me one bit. WIProgressive88 Dec 2015 #8
Why would the DNC notify NGP VAN if the prior problem was not with the VAN? SunSeeker Dec 2015 #11
Sanders Campaign’s Reckless Reaction To Data Breach Is A Danger To All Democrats Cha Dec 2015 #17
Nice to hear from you, Cha. dgibby Dec 2015 #21
If you call that whining about someone else's OP because she didn't include what you wanted. Cha Dec 2015 #22
LOL! dgibby Dec 2015 #25
Time for an investigation...an Independent one...open up the files guys. libdem4life Dec 2015 #9
"Uretsky says the glitch being referred to wasn’t even with the VAN." SunSeeker Dec 2015 #10
The Sanders campaign reported the breach to the DNC... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #12
Yesterday Weaver said they reported to vendor. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #13
I was referring to the October data breach... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #16
It wasn't a VAN breach in October! JaneyVee Dec 2015 #18
Whether or not it was a different database... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #19
Are you kidding, they purposefully searched: JaneyVee Dec 2015 #20
At this point, you are purposefully shuffling back and forth... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #24
It's simple... JaneyVee Dec 2015 #33
Bernie needs to get control of his campaign staff itsrobert Dec 2015 #14
+1 nt NCTraveler Dec 2015 #15
Thus far Bernie is the only person who has held anyone to account. He fired the responsible Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #28
so is that what DWS nephew who is the VP of NGP VAN claims? azurnoir Dec 2015 #23
Except he's not her nephew. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #41
That's not her nephew is also a counter rumor that has been circulating azurnoir Dec 2015 #45
He says he's not her nephew. Dr Hobbitstein Dec 2015 #47
Hey Janey, didn't NGP VAN also say they could maintain a secure database with strong firewalls? Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #26
Let's not take their word for it .... let's go to court and see what Discovery brings to light Leftyforever Dec 2015 #27
bernie's team Sabotaged their own campaign and now they're trying to bluster their way out. Cha Dec 2015 #29
+1 NurseJackie Dec 2015 #32
Mahalo, Jackie! Cha Dec 2015 #37
Users do not set their own permissions. Sysadmins set users permissions. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #38
bernie team Sabotaged themselves. Cha Dec 2015 #39
Actually I think the DNC and Wasserman-Schultz sabotaged themselves attempting to sabotage Sanders notadmblnd Dec 2015 #40
The BS team stole data from Hillary Clinton's files. Cha Dec 2015 #42
The court will let us know notadmblnd Dec 2015 #43
Ethics. (Or lack thereof.) NurseJackie Dec 2015 #46
Maybe the DNC didn't tell them jfern Dec 2015 #30
I see you confused the DNC with NPG-VAN - it's easy to, since they're all friends and family! reformist2 Dec 2015 #31
Nope. No record of any reports. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #34
Nope, no confusion. Just obsfucation from the bern camp who Sabotaged their own campaign. Cha Dec 2015 #36
Boy you went deep into the cornfield for that one, didn't you? notadmblnd Dec 2015 #35
Bottom line the BS team stole from Hillary Clinton and they Fired Josh Uretsky so far. Cha Dec 2015 #44

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
2. Ahem
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:01 PM
Dec 2015

[Update: However, Wasserman Schultz seemed to indicate in an interview in CNN last night that they did know about the October issue, and seems to imply it was with the VAN. I’ll check to see if this is really the case, or if she didn’t understand which database she was talking about.]

Things on the internet change quick! Please refer back to source

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
4. Having been in the software business for 35 years,
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:35 PM
Dec 2015

it's really easy to deny something if the client doesn't have any proof.

At 9:22 AM ET, Fri December 18, 2015, very early in this story, CNN reported Josh saying
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/

"This wasn't the first time we identified a bad breach," he said, confirming to CNN that the Sanders campaign reported another breach to the DNC in October.


In Weaver's press conference, he claimed they went to the DNC over a prior breach two months ago when the vendor who provided "modeling" informed them of a breach.


I don't think there's any really sinister there. Fast moving story. They and/or the media are not going to get everything perfect.
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
5. their CEO is a Clinton campaign operative
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:47 PM
Dec 2015

Which means he's probably a liar to begin with. I can't believe his company was put in charge of the server to begin with, given his obvious bias.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
6. Certainly glad I took the time to read the entire article.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:49 PM
Dec 2015

I encourage others to do the same.

Facts not included in this OP:

According to the article, the Sanders campaign notified the DNC in Oct, not the VAN. That means that if the DNC knew about the problem and didn't notify the VAN, then that was an egregious error(if it was an error) on their part, not the Sanders campaign.

The author of the article has worked with the VAN for years.

Although the author did have many positive things to say about Bernie, they were (not surprisingly) not included in this OP.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
11. Why would the DNC notify NGP VAN if the prior problem was not with the VAN?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:02 PM
Dec 2015

The point of the OP is that Uretsky admitted the prior glitch being referred to wasn’t even with the VAN. So the conspiracy theories are based on a lie, as usual.

Cha

(297,187 posts)
17. Sanders Campaign’s Reckless Reaction To Data Breach Is A Danger To All Democrats
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:24 PM
Dec 2015

Write your own OP and include what you want instead of whining about someone else.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
21. Nice to hear from you, Cha.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:39 PM
Dec 2015

I must be doing something right if you're giving me instructions. Best Birthday present ever! Thanks, and bless your heart. You have made this old lady's day (even if you didn't mean to-lol!).

Cha

(297,187 posts)
22. If you call that whining about someone else's OP because she didn't include what you wanted.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:43 PM
Dec 2015

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
25. LOL!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:00 PM
Dec 2015

I am nothing less than greatly honored that you've acknowledged me not once, but twice. Thanks! You're just the best!

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
9. Time for an investigation...an Independent one...open up the files guys.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

Who are Any of us to determine Anything as we are not part of the system. Everything is an Opinion, unless we are Directly Involved.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
10. "Uretsky says the glitch being referred to wasn’t even with the VAN."
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 04:58 PM
Dec 2015

Well that explains why NGP VAN received no prior complaints about the VAN!

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
12. The Sanders campaign reported the breach to the DNC...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:11 PM
Dec 2015

...not to PGN VAN or whatever that weird name is.

Did the DNC pass it on? Who knows? But the Sanders campaign never made any other claim than they reported it to the DNC. So if it was not passed on to the vendor, that's on the DNC, not on Sanders.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
16. I was referring to the October data breach...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:23 PM
Dec 2015

...and as for where I am getting my information, why, from post #4 in this very thread:

CNN reported Josh saying
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/sanders-dnc-data-breach-josh-uretsky/

"This wasn't the first time we identified a bad breach," he said, confirming to CNN that the Sanders campaign reported another breach to the DNC in October.

In Weaver's press conference, he claimed they went to the DNC over a prior breach two months ago when the vendor who provided "modeling" informed them of a breach.


Whether or not it was a different database, is for the vendor to deal with. Users don't always know when they are moving from one underlying database to another; it may appear just as different queries. But even if they do know, these security issues sound very similar if not identical, so you cannot dismiss October's notification to the DNC as being irrelevant. You don't know that. If the lawsuit goes forward, we will all have more information to go on.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
19. Whether or not it was a different database...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:30 PM
Dec 2015

...is for the vendor to deal with. Users don't always know when they are moving from one underlying database to another; it may appear just as different queries. But even if they do know, these security issues sound very similar if not identical, so you cannot dismiss October's notification to the DNC as being irrelevant. You don't know that. If the lawsuit goes forward, we will all have more information to go on.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
24. At this point, you are purposefully shuffling back and forth...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 05:55 PM
Dec 2015

...between "But it wasn't a VAN breach last time!", and, when that point is addressed, "Well they made SPECIFIC searches this time!"... I assume any response to this point will result in a rebuttal of
"Well, it wasn't a VAN breach in October, so there!" -- so at this point I'll leave you to it.

TTFN

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
33. It's simple...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:09 PM
Dec 2015

October wasn't a VAN breach which is why there is no record. This current breach was a VAN flaw that the Bernie campaign took advantage of and still didn't report it.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
28. Thus far Bernie is the only person who has held anyone to account. He fired the responsible
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:03 PM
Dec 2015

staffer and then he filed suit to get to the bottom of the matter. Seems to me he's hunting the ratfuckers down cold. Meanwhile the folks who deliver the occasional firewall are still taking the daily fees. Who hired that batch of bozos?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
41. Except he's not her nephew.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:34 PM
Dec 2015

They are not related. Just a lie that's been circulating and replicating.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
47. He says he's not her nephew.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

There's no proof that he's her nephew. Regurgitating things not based in fact is not helpful to any situation.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. Hey Janey, didn't NGP VAN also say they could maintain a secure database with strong firewalls?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:00 PM
Dec 2015

Yes they did. Have they proven able to deliver? No, they have not. Any chance their verbiage is designed to cover their precious bottoms?

 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
27. Let's not take their word for it .... let's go to court and see what Discovery brings to light
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:02 PM
Dec 2015

Feeling the Bern

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
40. Actually I think the DNC and Wasserman-Schultz sabotaged themselves attempting to sabotage Sanders
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:31 PM
Dec 2015

Huge fail BTW. However, I'm looking forward to hearing (as I'm certain you must be also) the judge's opinion when the court looks at the suit.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
46. Ethics. (Or lack thereof.)
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:44 PM
Dec 2015

They knew that what they were doing was wrong.

People continue to use the excuse that "they turned themselves in" (or words to that effect) as if it were some sort of proof that they meant no harm. Complete nonsense!

It means, most likely, that once they realized that their activity and identities had been detected, they had no other choice than to do so. (I'm reminded of when a convenience store's security video is released on local news ... the perpetrators know that it's only a matter of time before someone turns them in ... so they do so themselves, "voluntarily," to help minimize any punishment that's coming their way.

In truth, if these actors had been merely trying to "prove a point" or demonstrate a proof-of-concept or the methods that could be used, then they'd likely have used their iPhone to make a video recording that documented their activities. (I also know that there's real-time screen-capturing software that makes an actual video of the on-screen activity.)

Why didn't they do that? What better way to demonstrate to the world that they meant no harm and that it was just an innocent demonstration of the system's vulnerabilities?

Well, I'll tell you why. No, rather... their highly targeted and specific search queries speak for themselves!!

People continue to make hay (or try to) about the claim that "no files were downloaded" (or words to that effect). But that's a lame and transparent parsing of words. Meaningless splitting of hairs.

For example, as I access this website, I can save page after page of data. I can cut-and-paste, I perform screen-prints and save the image to file, I can save HTML files that contain an exact copy of the data that I view on the screen.

Am I "downloading" this site's entire database? Of course not!

Am I "saving system files" from this web site? No.

Do I still have the data that I wanted to keep? Well, duh! Yeah I do!

Even the initial examinations have shown that these actors have saved the data!! What more do you need?

My other favorite parsing of words and muddling definitions are the ones who claim "well her data is still there, so nobody actually 'stole' anything". Totally absurd on the face of it, yet they seem so proud at having thought-it-up all by themselves. (Oh, gag me!)

The other responses of blaming Hillary, setting-them-up, DWS collusion with Hillary, yadda-yadda-yadda, it's just misdirection and deflecting ... pathetic attempts to change the focus and change the discussion.

They reality of all this is that they have NO defense, so they only thing left at their disposal is to put up a good offense. (And by "good" I actually mean "lame".)

What a madhouse this place has become!



jfern

(5,204 posts)
30. Maybe the DNC didn't tell them
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:04 PM
Dec 2015

But the DNC and VAN are both Hillary loyalists, so I wouldn't trust either of them.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
31. I see you confused the DNC with NPG-VAN - it's easy to, since they're all friends and family!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

It's quite the incestuous bunch over there, running the DNC these days.

Cha

(297,187 posts)
36. Nope, no confusion. Just obsfucation from the bern camp who Sabotaged their own campaign.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:13 PM
Dec 2015
"The proof data is critical to a campaign is how devastating the DNC’s punishment was to Bernie’s campaign. Given that, do you understand how the Clinton camp feels knowing their data was accessed by their opposition? If the shoe was on the other foot, the level of hysteria would be outrageous."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=922340



Patrick Dillon ?@mpdillon
Hard to see how this is just a campaign helpfully trying to alert a vendor of a problem. http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-18/sanders-campaign-fires-data-director-after-breach-of-clinton-files

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/18/the-presidents-press-conference-4/

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
35. Boy you went deep into the cornfield for that one, didn't you?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:13 PM
Dec 2015

About Us

Iowa Starting Line is a news site devoted to bringing readers breaking news, in-depth analysis, and general coverage of Iowa Caucus and Iowa political news. Founded in January of 2015 by Pat Rynard, Starting Line works to provide a unique take on the Iowa political scene that others may not be covering.

Pat Rynard is a former Democratic campaign staffer who has lived in Iowa for the past 12 years. Rynard chose to attend Drake University in order to move to Iowa and get involved in the caucuses. In his first month as a freshman he got to drive John Kerry around the state, which quickly enamored him to the ease in which you can get involved in the state. He later went on to work for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, and has worked on a number of state legislative races in field and management roles, including serving as the statewide field director for the Senate Majority Fund.

Rynard lives in West Des Moines with his wife and their puppy.

For more, see our Welcome Post http://iowastartingline.com/about-us/


Nice, credible, unbiased source you used there
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»NGP VAN says they were ne...