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The DNC Data Breach: An Analysis
First and foremost, the Sanders campaign did not hack the DNC database. The DNC vendor negligently altered (one way or another) the database access parameters. The firewall in this case is just parameter and security settings. One setting says given a user access code, here is what data you are allowed to access.
The Sanders campaign informed the DNC in October that their usercodes permitted access to all campaign data. Was this just a DNC test to see what the Sanders campaign staff would do? Of course it was. The Sanders campaign staff did the right thing in October.
Lets also note that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC are in bed with the Clinton campaign. There is so much obvious evidence to support this: the debates, DWS denying data access to the Sanders campaign, DWS rhetoric about this instance. They would do anything to help the Clinton campaign.
Is this just cover for the Clinton campaign? There is no doubt in my mind that the Clinton campaign stole Sanders and OMalleys data. Clinton has little to no integrity or trustworthiness and a plot like this is not beyond their tactics. Ill do the actual stealing of data and them blame Sanders.
Remember that the DNC is tasked with securing the data. It is private data not public data. The DNC and their vendor can selectively produce any evidence they want, including access logs. Note that the audit is a compiled document a person had to read the actual audit log and interpret the data into an easy to read format.
The Sanders campaign and the public will never know what really happened because the data, audit log, and internal database workings is supplied by the DNC.
It is very suspect that the database was opened up to all campaign access right before the debates. The DNC and the Clinton campaign had from October to plan the next data breach. It is my belief that the DNC/Clinton persuaded the Sanders staffer to, this time, access the data and store it. This was the staffer who was immediately fired. Money does talk and the staffer obviously had no integrity.
What did it gain for the Clinton campaign? Clintons trustworthiness is in the toilet Sanders is highly respected and trusted. What a clever way to cast doubt on Sanders...
Every media outlet plastered the airways with the so-called Sanders data breach. The news media purposefully reported this in such a way as to harm the Sanders campaign: the informative quotes from the Sanders campaign spokesman were not aired, but rather non-informational quotes. You also see the media run with the compiled audit as if it was 100% factual. Once again, the DNC and their vendor compiled the audit.
You see, the news media has a lot riding on who wins these campaigns. The networks make a ton of money on political advertising. And who has the most money to spend? correct, the republicans and Clinton. Its all about the money. And absolutely nothing gets in the way when it comes to money.
We will never know what really happened because the DNC&Clinton are the ones who own the data and the ones who provide the information about that really happened.
This was nothing more than a DNC/Clinton entrapment plot that Senator Sanders has to apologize for. It was his staffers, with questionable integrity, that access the data and they were fired.
Just more dirty politics against the first statesperson in along time to be running for president. The real crime lies with the corrupt DNC who allowed this data access to occur.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)These are so amusing.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)I am a 35-year experienced software engineer and know something about database and software.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)ignore the peanut gallery.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Thanks for your support!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)unsourced biased propaganda agenda supporting BS.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)snide is about the best it deserves. Every assumption in the "analysis" is based on the poster's preference for Sanders. So the conclusions are fundamentally flawed given that it is all designed to come to a particular conclusion.
merrily
(45,251 posts)FWIW, I both agree and disagree with Juror 1. I think the level of discourse has dropped here at least in part because many smart people who made this board interesting when I first joined are no longer here. However, Juror 1 is not all wrong, either.
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Where Rove attacked Kerry for his strength (his military service) Hillary and her proxies are attacking Sanders strength - honesty and integrity.
Chickenhawk Rove successfully used the strategy to bring his opponent down to his level.
As an unrealistic a goal as that might seem, the DNC is attempting to do the same to Sanders.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)Yes, nothing but dirty and desperate politics from the DNC.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)The guy who waited until yesterday to sack TWO MORE STAFFERS over their illegal behavior regarding sensitive data?
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)...and I have no evidence to prove it.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)That's right Mr. brooklynite - the DNC who is in bed with Clinton.
Do you question that fact?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)own facts.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)So he screwed up, twice, in a way that benefitted her opponent and only her opponent?
Implausible.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Biased analysis like this has no value and is insulting to our intelligence.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)You know, Clinton has not performed badly in the debates at all, I don't think that the number of debates has anything to do with anything...
This type of stuff does not help with Sanders getting undecided voters (like myself, who feels kind of indifferent about the primaries at the point) and current supporters of Clinton.
I don't understand it.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)And I disagree with the debates. Less debates helps Clinton - More debates helps the American people.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)OK...
Personally, I'm very very very tired of super-long election cycles. The fewer debates, the better, I've discerned the similarities and differences between Sanders and Clinton pretty well already...perhaps more of a topic focus would help and seeing the reactions to events as they happen in real time helps (and Bernie has NOT come off well on that score)
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)And, shouting? That sounds like a clinton talking point...
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)6 debates should do it. I think the timing of the debates is suspect, to say to the least, but what more do I need to know about Bernie's and Hillary's and Martin's positions at this point?
Between the debates, the websites, the examination of their records, and how they think on their feet, I know what I need to know...I'm kind of "meh" about much of it, at this point.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Listen, in the end we should all be going for party unity, no matter how hard that seems these days.
Sanders and O'Malley and their supporters (I am one) think the handling of the debates is weird, suspicious, rigged, counter-productive, not in the best interests of the party, etc. More debates at reasonable times helps inform the public as to what our choices are here. So they can make up their own mind, form their own opinion, through a lot of exposure not a little, and not from what they simply hear from the mass media or other hearsay. Without proper broad exposure for the other candidates, we might as well just nominate Hillary and be done with it. That is not the proper way to ensure we have either the best choice or the most democratic choice.
Furthermore, the debates bring our candidates to the general public, people even outside the party. The Republican debates have drawn huge audiences, the Democratic not so much. And the last one drew the least of all.
People who are more informed, like you, can obviously make up their minds sooner, and so may not wish to watch if and when they are more debates.
Finally, in the interest of party unity, DWS, Hillary Clinton and all should agree to more debates for the good it will do the party and their campaign. She is doing well in them anyway, and this way they can help get rid of these accusations of impropriety and help restore any Democratic support for the DNC and all other Democratic candidates and institutions.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)But maybe the voters have had enough "proper broad exposure"...is there any polling that indicates otherwise?
Define "proper broad exposure". Hell, if DWS had decided on 30 debates, people (including myself) would probably be fed up about there being to many debates.
I think the woman is an incompetent politician performing a horrific job, personally...but good candidates (and I don't think that there are enough candidates) can overcome those flaws in the process.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)There are a lot of people who consider themselves Progressive who are supporting Bernie Sanders and don't trust Hillary, DWS, DNC, or the party at large to listen to them or take care of their needs or concerns.
Especially since Hillary has such a polling lead, since she is doing well at debates, and for the sake of resolving possible charges of collusion, why not have more debates? Those who don't want to watch don't have to and won't. And there will be an opportunity created for more people to tune it.
Why not? What's so hard or damaging about it?
It would truly help to soothe the feelings of those who think the relationship is too close and unfair between DWS, DNC, and Hillary.
I swear, the convention, the general election, all that will go a lot smoother if Hillary wins if they would just work out that debate detail to some satisfaction from Sanders and O'Malley.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)not from the behavior that I've seen here.
Now, what you can do is to win the primaries that need to be won and there will be more debates.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... report.
That's not what happened, four of them continued to do searches on this data for 40 mins...
That's more than just viewing something to see whats wrong.
The DNC and Hillary and everyone else is not at fault, an open door isn't an invitation to come in
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)The second time, the staffer and other staff continued the searches.
I question the staffer's motivation, i.e was he bribed?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... should know better or filter out the data that shouldn't be seen in the other queries.
emulatorloo
(44,116 posts)Of course Josh was not bribed. Seems like a good guy, just made a poor judgement call. Which resulted in his firing by Bernie, and two of his employees suspended by Bernie last night.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)I would like to read this...thanks..
emulatorloo
(44,116 posts)I don't know how I could find the one for Jeff Weaver because he did multiple ones.
However Josh Uretsky only did one, so I did find the phone interview w Josh. Will have to dig around a bit, but should be able to find it in a little bit. Will come back and edit in a link.
ON EDIT: Here's a link to Josh's phone interview w Steve Kornaki:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/josh-uretsky-clinton-data-breach
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)More conspiracy theory swill.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)At first it was a single low level staffer. It turns out it was four staffers at least two of which were high level staffers.
At first they had notified the vendor back in October, but it turns out that isn't the case.
It was accidental and nothing was saved. Except they did many very specific and useful searches that they did save.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Let's stop with this conspiracy theory.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)It is the DNC. Is there *any* question about these facts?
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)coverage.
They know which candidate is most keen on overturning Citizens United aka; the mother-load of campaign dollars rolling in from all corners of the earth buying our elections and in turn a corporate supremacist supporting government and which candidate thinks that kind of corruptive and destructive policy is perfectly OK for our nation or will only give lip service in opposition.
Thanks for the thread, TheProgressive.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)I forgot about Citizens United and that money too. Also Senator has
openly criticized the news media as well.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)They are trying to minimize it now, to make it go away. DWS didn't think that maybe this stunt would backfire on her. Too late now, can't get the genie back into the bottle.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)And not this one that NGP VAN works with?
The two are NOT related. People keep conflating what happened in October as being with the same exact thing as what happened this past week.
If that's the foundation, then the whole thing falls apart.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)In fact, he could have been part of the plan along.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.
― Upton Sinclair,
I think this quote is significant.