Shouldn't Bernie have also apologized to Hillary supporters?

[JaneyVee]

I read a tweet by a Hillary volunteer who said her and her 2 kids ages 10 and 8 worked through the summer helping compile those lists. Not only was potentially millions worth of data stolen, but months of hard labor was also potentially stolen.

I know Bernie fans don't want this to be a big deal, and it probably won't be a big deal, but with new reports of staffers saving files then trying to cover it up there is literally no way of ever knowing what or how much was taken. Or for how long it was being snooped.

[Human101948]

1. Give it a break!

Why don't you apologize for Beghazi?

[JaneyVee]

2. Excuse me? Did you just demand I apologize for Benghazi?

You ok?

[Human101948]

4. Makes as much sense as your OP...

You should be ashamed of your self for using those children as props.

[JaneyVee]

7. Wow.

You should be ashamed you don't care.

[earthside]

12. Give it a rest.

Don't you have anything else to do?

[JaneyVee]

16. Ok, if you say so then.

[BlueCaliDem]

22. If you don't like the post, why respond to it? You should take your own advice. eom

[Wilms]

15. I care more if her Starbuck Latte was made right.

You know how some people get.

[BlueCaliDem]

25. She wasn't "using children as props". She was making A POINT.

Sad to see it went right over your head.

[JaneyVee]

30. Everyone is a victim except the victim.

[onehandle]

20. Republicanspeak at DU. Gungeoneer, of course. nt

[TSIAS]

3. Cry me a river

If HRC and the DNC cared so much about this poor volunteer they never would have allowed such a breach.

[JaneyVee]

5. I'm not the one crying.

And I was unaware HRC was in charge of cybersecurity.

[Nonhlanhla]

9. How was HILLARY responsible for the breach?

Just listen to what you are saying: Bernie's campaign goes snooping, but it's Hillary's fault.

[JaneyVee]

10. Exactly.

[Luminous Animal]

6. If people on the Sanders staff committed felonies, why did DWS go to the press

and not the police?

"Millions worth of data" means hard jail time.

[JaneyVee]

8. Lack of proof anything was taken.

I'm sure you would have been totally cool with her going that route, huh?

[Luminous Animal]

11. Weak. Cops investigates. And why does Hillary, her supporters, and the DNC state unequivocally, that

data was stolen when there is lack of proof?

[JaneyVee]

13. Because even just looking at it is breaking the rules...

Let alone saving folders and covering their tracks.

[Luminous Animal]

26. And this is proof that data was stolen?

[JaneyVee]

40. I'm the one who said...

There is a LACK of proof anything was taken, because we'll never know. But what we do know is pretty serious stuff already.

[Luminous Animal]

48. And yet you continue to assert data was taken. It is in your OP.

[ljm2002]

21. Wait, whut?

DWS went to the press and accused the Sanders campaign of stealing data, all the while lacking proof that anything was taken?

Wow. She's even more low-down than I thought.

[JaneyVee]

24. This issue may be over your head.

[ljm2002]

31. Too f***in' funny...

...Here is what YOU said was the reason DWS did not go to the police:

Lack of proof anything was taken.

You seem to be unaware that one of the functions of law enforcement is to INVESTIGATE.

However, instead of going for a proper investigation, DWS decided to go for trial-by-press.

That didn't work out all that well for her though.

Especially when a campaign that, according to her, had "nothing but bluster" to offer, somehow managed to get her to back down toot sweet when it was time to appear before a judge.

It speaks for itself.

[JaneyVee]

36. You seem to be unaware that...

Nothing has to be physically taken for this to even be breaking the rules. The rules WERE BROKEN, we just never know how much FURTHER the rule breaking went.

[ljm2002]

81. And you seem to be unaware that...

...DWS and the DNC were in breach of contract when they withdrew access to the data from the Sanders campaign, choosing not to follow the steps prescribed therein. They BROKE THE RULES, we just don't know how many MORE rules they may have broken.

In addition, there is some evidence that the DNC and their software provider were negligent in how they handled the data of all the campaigns.

This is why a full audit, from day one of the primary campaign, is called for.

[joshcryer]

100. If you think there isn't a federal investigation happening...

...I got a bridge to sell you.

If DWS even thought to openly go to the police or feds then not doing so was the smartest thing she's done. Going on CNN and yelling from the rooftops, "Hey, I want the feds to investigate the opposing campaign!" would be insane.

You don't fuck with a political campaign. All the ugly shit gets pushed under the rug and you move on. We saw this with how quickly Obama and Clinton made up after arguably the nastiest Democratic primary in history.

Give it time and arrests are going to be made.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Your posts are parody, right?

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[JaneyVee]

17. Lots of substance free posts, not much discussion from the Bernie crowd.

[ljm2002]

23. Well at least you're dishonest...

...ON EDIT: Added the "dis" since Ms JaneyVee decided to edit her subject line.

[Luminous Animal]

28. : )

[JaneyVee]

37. On edit: you're wasting your time and adding nothing of substance to this thread.

Honestly.

[Wilms]

44. Talk about wasting time...and adding nothing of substance.

This post...and the time you'll spend on it...is worth your time?

[JaneyVee]

47. You're the one responding to it, multiple times.

[Wilms]

50. More like calling you out.

Just sayin'

[JaneyVee]

51. Another response. Just sayin!

[The Boss]

67. Reply to you

Now reply to me.

[pangaia]

77. Your OP has no substance.

Next question...

[ljm2002]

84. You're right, I am wasting my time...

...kind of like the old saw about not trying to teach a ... oh never mind.

[Attorney in Texas]

18. Sanders spends a lot of time on college campuses so he may not have met any Clinton supporters yet.

[JaneyVee]

27. Ah, more insults from the Bernie crowd.

How bougie to brag about how much education someone has.

[JonLeibowitz]

80. That is not the joke at all -- the joke is that young people prefer Bernie by a massive margin

But I think you may have known that.

[MoonRiver]

92. But the people who vote are Bernie's age.

Maybe he should make a few trips to Senior Citizen centers. And he could apologize while he's there.

[JonLeibowitz]

94. So you say, and are welcome to that opinion. I was simply addressing the misplaced outrage.

Let's try to address the point I was making, if you are responding. I'd appreciate it.

[AtomicKitten]

19. As soon as she apologizes to Obama supporters for doing the same thing in '08.

[highprincipleswork]

29. You are hysterical. Get your facts straight first, then let's talk.

[JaneyVee]

33. Yes I'm "hysterical". Riiiiiiiiight.

[highprincipleswork]

38. How about simply conducting an independent audit of the entire history of the IT vendor with DNC?

As Bernie has said, offered, and as the lawsuit stipulates.

Then we can talk about the facts, as they occur in that clear light of day, and not through various wordings through various parties on the way there.

[JaneyVee]

41. Were rules broken or not?

[Luminous Animal]

64. An independent audit of the entire system since day one would reveal how often the rules were broken.

I bet you've emailed your candidate to allow such audit to be conducted to see how deeply and egregiously the Sanders campaign has exploited the security breach since the beginning. It may even reveal that Bernie's staffers actually stole something.

[JaneyVee]

70. She has called for an investigation since day 1.

[highprincipleswork]

97. DNC breached its contract, that is what is most clear.

The contract between DNC and Sanders campaign does not allow them to simply discontinue service, without notification and ten days to rectify and problems.

I believe that most people on the Sanders side are very content to let the facts come out as they may. We know that Bernie was in no way involved in this, but that some people on his staff (now fired) took some unwise actions. How "illegal" they were or how far they went is still undetermined, and an independent investigation would surely uncover that.

At the same time, considering the close relationship between NGP VAN and the Clintons, and since they are the only ones that truly have control of the information, we need an independent investigation of not only this incident, but of the previous breach, of what the nature of that was and also why it was not fixed, of what caused these breaches, of why they are still in charge of this process after failing twice to protect the information, of their relationship with the DNC and the Clinton campaign, and about frankly all uses of the system by all sides, not just the Sanders operation. After all, it is freely acknowledged that the lack of firewall was just as dangerous for all parties, including the Sanders campaign, and there are many accounts that the Sanders people were just checking their own vulnerabilities during this process.

I am not saying this is the correct story, but let's have a mutually approved authority run an investigation of al of this, and get the facts out.

[840high]

32. Hillary got Obama's list in '08. Did

she apologize to Obama and his supporters?

[JaneyVee]

34. Probably.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

35. IM A VICTIM TOO GUYZ!!!!!

[JaneyVee]

43. Mature.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

59. Stupid statements deserve stupid responses.

...

[JaneyVee]

71. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!

[ForgoTheConsequence]

83. Salty.

Delicious tears.

[leftofcool]

91. That's pretty much what Bernie's staff acted like.

[Chemisse]

39. I must say - the DNC's response to the breach

Overshadowed the actual breach in my mind. At least that was my reaction (although that could be due to my anti-Wasserman-Schultz attitude).

But if others reacted the same way, Clinton would do best to not mention any of this ever again.

[emulatorloo]

42. No.

[JaneyVee]

53. You're the only one who gave an actual answer.

[emulatorloo]

66. I guess I should explain.

He apologized to his supporters because he promised them an ethical campaign that wasn't politics as usual. His rogue staff members violated that promise he made to >his supporters<. I"m paraphrasing what he said last night.

Apology to HRC was enough, IMHO. And she was very gracious. I think they were both very statesman-like. I enjoyed seeing them patting each other on the back several times, there seemed to be some genuine appreciation for one another.

[JaneyVee]

68. But HRC didn't go knocking on doors for it.

And thanks for an actual answer among this sea of immaturity.

[sadoldgirl]

45. I think that we should wait for the results

of the independent investigation, which Bernie wants.

[Kalidurga]

46. I would apologize personally to those two kids.

Here we go: "I am sorry your mother makes you compile lists for political campaigns when you are only 8 and 10 years old and have no way of really evaluating a political candidate for yourselves or deciding this is what you really want to do. And that instead of doing fun kids stuff over the summer you were stuck working at your mother's behest toiling away at making lists."

[JaneyVee]

49. Yeah we wouldn't want to get kids involved in activities with mommy.

[Kalidurga]

60. I took my kids to protests

I have done a whole lot of things with them. Every weekend we would go on a field trip. But, I would never make them do something as boring as compiling lists.

[JaneyVee]

62. Congratulations, I guess you're just a better mother than this lady.

Although to her credit, there probably aren't many protests to join in Iowa.

[Kalidurga]

65. Thanks I already asked my daughter

the youngest she agrees. I will ask the other two when I see them.

[Luminous Animal]

58. When my daughter was that age, she was a political activist. She read the newspapers, she

was pretty savvy about the issues. She even belonged to a political youth group. I was doing similar when I was young.

Yeah, I raised her so much of our politics were aligned at that age but I didn't quash her independence or try to convince her to do what I wanted her to do when our interests diverged.

[Kalidurga]

61. Would she be happy making lists?

I have one daughter that would have been happy making phone calls. I have one that might have been happy making signs. My youngest though forgetaboutit she ain't doin' nuthin'.

[Luminous Animal]

73. She was happy doing any work that was asked of her.

At age 10, she was doing data entry from handwritten volunteer lists for the Ralph Nader campaign. Boring. But she was set up with a boom box with her favorite music and off she went.

[JaneyVee]

74. No protests for your kids?

Nah just kidding.

[Luminous Animal]

87. When she was 13, she wanted to part of the protests to shut down downtown San Francisco

I was already on a planning committee to do such. The chances of arrest were high and her dad and I were afraid for her safety if we became separated. Fortunately, for our own peace of mind, chief of police announced that all juvenile peaceful protesters would be taken to Valencia Street station AND NOT PUT INTO A HOLDING CELL (this was key… we did not want her behind bars) and released to a pre-approved adult, we went to the station and submitted names and numbers of friends that could secure her release. We copied her passport, birth certificate and CA ID, put them in her pocket with the list of our friends phone numbers and let her go.

What she didn't know is that I was already decided to let her go without all the protections. My own family let me go with my aunt to a huge May Day protest in DC in 1971 when I was 14. My husband wasn't convinced that my own experience was enough to allow herself to put herself at risk.

This was so important to her. We watched shock and awe together. She fell to her knees with her head in my lap. Sobbing. She knew that innocents were being slaughtered.

Letting her protest… trusting that she would practice civil disobedience was a real defining moment for our family. She wasn't a just a kid anymore. She was taking steps to be an adult.

[Kalidurga]

75. Well I am glad she figured out a way to make her work fun.

My youngest can do things like that. But, not for making lists even at the age of 21 she wouldn't be keen on that. But, yeah she will listen to music and clean out a freezer at work.

[cherokeeprogressive]

63. Win. Drop the mic and walk. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

52. Whack.. Whack... Whack...

Beat it some more.

[hobbit709]

89. That dead horse ought to be puree by now.

[cherokeeprogressive]

95. Soup. LOL nt

[Hiraeth]

54. NOT GOOD ENOUGH, BERNIE !!!!!

[JaneyVee]

55. Can't believe I forgot to add that in my post.

Good addition.

[Hiraeth]

56. well then, hop to it !!!!!

[beam me up scottie]

57. This thread is full of win!

[AgingAmerican]

69. Shouldn't DWS apologize to the country?

For blatant corruption?

[JaneyVee]

72. Corruption has an actual legal definition.

Just like hyperbole does.

[AgingAmerican]

93. I don't think she has the capacity to be sorry

[catnhatnh]

96. So does millions of dollars worth of data.

And you claim hyperbole?

[polichick]

104. DWS and HRC both.

[pangaia]

76. No.

[Ed Suspicious]

78. No.

[Lil Missy]

79. Oh please. He apologized sincerely. Drop it.

[bigwillq]

82. No

He apologized to the person he needed to apologize to.

I am so glad Bernie and Hillary handled that situation like adults last night.

[PeteyPal]

85. Why does this post appear so many times?

Is there a glitch in DU software or are you just reposting it about every 20 min? It is really cluttering DU.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. Yes, let's have a long conversation about IT security, shall we?

[leftofcool]

88. He should have but that's not how he rolls

His campaign staff are thieves and thieves don't care about other people's hard work. They steal then cry victim. Democrats are not buying it.

[MoonRiver]

90. Yes, especially since he apologized to HIS supporters!

[cali]

98. He should have to publicly eat dirt and crawl to each supporters door. That wouldn't be enough for

Jamey.

[JI7]

99. NO

[merrily]

101. Unless Sanders uses the info taken, for what should he apologize to Hillary's supporters?

How would a data breach hurt Hillary's supporters if Sanders never uses the data IRL?


The potential damage is to his campaign. Hence the apology to people like me, who have donated to it.

[Android3.14]

102. November cannot come too soon when the Clinton Cicada are quiet once again

Like a special 8-year locust, they only appear on DU to destroy the efforts of those who have tried to bring political sustenance to a tormented world.

[bowens43]

103. No. He shouldn't have apologized to hill either.

[polichick]

105. True - too nice, too decent in a world of corruption.