Some Bernie supporters wonder how Hillary got their contact info after October security breach

[Flying Squirrel]

http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?584-On-FB-in-quot-African-Americans-for-Bernie-Sanders-2016-quot-Clinton-emails-Bernie-supporter


On FB in "African Americans for Bernie Sanders 2016" Clinton emails Bernie supporter
René Upshaw‎ to African Americans for Bernie Sanders 2016

11 hrs ·


How does this happen?
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Carolyn Breedlove
And then there's the interesting fact that lots of people who have never in any way contacted or solicited the Hillary Clinton campaign, in fact have unsubscribed from DNC mail due to Debbie Wasserman Schultz's corrupt regime, in fact have -- on the contrary -- donated only, directly, to the Sanders campaign, have since the earlier downing of the NGP VAN firewall in October 2015 started receiving direct email from Clinton.
Inquiring minds would really, really like to know HOW she obtained our addresses. Hm? You know the computer experts' analysis of the most recent, highly publicized (by the DNC) dropping of the firewall specified that when down, all the data was visible to any of the campaigns. The same was true before.

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This is just the beginning, folks....

[Kalidurga]

1. Phone book?

Just kidding I know they aren't using the white pages and calling everyone or sending mail to everyone in the phone book.

[ViseGrip]

22. They say direct "email" to Bernie supporters from Hillary campaign

[pnwmom]

91. The basic DNC database includes available email addresses for all Democrats,

according to the Sanders' campaign lawsuit.

All three campaigns have access to this basic database.

Next question?

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[JustAnotherGen]

133. pnw JAG here - I got one

ETA Sent on December 15th - forwarded to an account I can acces from my iPad on -
December 21 - at 5:06 am

------- Original Message --------
Subject: I don’t want Donald Trump to represent me
From: Madeleine Albright <[e-mail]>
To: 
CC: 

JAG -- 

Let's not mince words: If any of the Republican candidates debating tonight are elected in 2016, it would be a foreign policy disaster.

This isn't something to play games with. We can't allow a reality TV star with unconstitutional (and xenophobic) policies to represent us on the global stage. It is a risk to our national security, and it's not funny or entertaining.

What's worse: Donald Trump’s Republican opponents are just as extreme and bombastic as he is -- they're just less good at getting attention for it. But we have to take them seriously, because one of them will be the Republican nominee for president. 

There's one candidate who's ready to beat these guys: Hillary Clinton. But she's not going to do it without our help. Pitch in $1, and let's get to work:

Jag, donate $1

Thank you,

Madeleine

You know I'm supporting O'Malley in the primary - correct?

This email account is one I now only use for online purchases. I've only had it for a year and a half - so post the 2013 Governor's race in NJ.

I'm okay with an Albright sponsorship email from Clinton's campaign but if the Sanders campaign intrudes I'm going to be pissed.

Something has happened - not sure what - but only my direct donations to O'Malley, his PAC, Harris, and Edwards have been attached to this email. My two Clinton donations came from my maiden name email account and I've received duplicates there. There are two others that came this weekend too.

Can't blame the campaign - if they attach the other email to old NY Senate emails it's easy to see I'm the same person. I was the only person in America with my first and old last name which was not common. Obviously I'm extremely likely to vote for Clinton in a G.E.

I still don't believe this is Clinton though. I'm so soured on DWS and feel like she's wrecking the Democratic Party - all three candidates get a free pass from me st this point. *tiptoes off the thread*

[pnwmom]

135. I think what has happened is that the DNC has collected contact info for anyone who

has ever donated to or expressed interest in any Democrat, ever.

And put all that info into their huge database. Then individual candidates can rent the database and do additional research, by reaching out to the people in it.

So I would expect you to hear from Bernie at least once, to see if you're supporting anyone in the primary. Hopefully once you tell them you're firm on O'Malley they'll leave you alone.

[JustAnotherGen]

139. I think so too

Notice I updated my post with the correct date I received the email.

I'm just not going to skewer any three of the "Campaigns". It make us ll look weak.

[pnwmom]

142. As the candidates at the debate said more than once

all three of them are great. Despite individual differences, they're all light years beyond the clown car on the other side.

[Motown_Johnny]

184. Email addresses in a phone book?

That is a new one to me.

[Kalidurga]

185. Just wait it's gonna happen

[Thinkingabout]

2. Maybe the same way Sanders camp got my email and has been asking

For donations.

[grasswire]

27. please post proof of this

an email with your address blacked out, or something like that.

[Thinkingabout]

30. No, I am going to entertain sending an email and posting it on DU.

I am not required to post a link on every post. BTW, I did not see a link on your post.

[grasswire]

33. I didn't claim to get an email from Hillary.

You claimed to get an unsolicited email from Bernie. I'll have to assume that was a story.

[Thinkingabout]

34. I did not see a link.

[rhett o rick]

67. It's best not to interact with them. Put them on ignore if you have to. nm

[Agschmid]

69. Doesn't work...

Then you all just get to make ludicrous claims unchallenged.

IMO the best thing is to keep everyone off ignore and just watch it all happen.

Sure is eye opening.

[rhett o rick]

73. Never once have I been challenged to debate an issue but only to be disparaged.

Show me an OP where a HRC supporter discusses issues. Best to put them on ignore so they can't tempt you to lash out. I think that's tactic number 7.

[Agschmid]

74. Yes you are right how could I be so blind...

No Hillary supporter has ever discussed an issue ever.

[AlbertCat]

93. No Hillary supporter has ever discussed an issue ever.

Well, they do spend a lot of time complaining about Sanders' supporters and not the man himself or his policies.

When they do talk about Sanders it's mostly unfounded and misleading memes like "He can't win" or "he's a misogynist" or "he's not a Dem."

It's usually about those meanie Sanders' supporters...because he's so angry, y'know....

[pnwmom]

108. No, it just appears that you are blind to any posts that don't agree with you.

It is no mystery, as the OP declares, to how a different campaign got hold of a Bernie supporter email address: the basic DNC database contains full contact info on all known Democrats, including email addresses.

Don't believe me -- it says this in the lawsuit the Bernie campaign filed on Friday.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[dgibby]

126. So, how'd they get my info? I'm not a Dem, but am a Bernie supporter.

I've never supported HRC (although I will vote for the winner of the primary).

[pnwmom]

127. Because at some point in your life you have requested information from or made a donation

to some other Dem.

[pnwmom]

106. I would be happy to discuss this with you. According to the Sanders lawsuit, the DNA database

that all three campaigns have been renting contains full contact information, including email addresses.

So there's no mystery about how another campaign could be contacting a Bernie supporter. All three campaigns are working with the same basic information; after that it's up to them to decide what to do with it.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[Agschmid]

114. They try to find conspiracy in everything.

It's sickening on some level.

[pnwmom]

105. And your post isn't just a story. It's a fantasy. The DNC database -- you know,

that huge database that is being rented out to all three campaigns -- contains email addresses.

That's why any identified Democrat could be getting contacted by all three campaigns.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[pnwmom]

92. The Sanders lawsuit document says the DNC database includes email addresses for Democrats.

Isn't that proof enough?

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[840high]

40. Somehow I don't believe you.

[Thinkingabout]

49. Somehow it happened, believe what you want.

[pnwmom]

94. If you're right then the Sanders campaign LIED in its lawsuit.

Because the lawsuit says the basic DNC database contains email addresses of Democrats.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[Dem2]

44. Same here

Haven't started giving this cycle, which means I've never given to Bernie since he's not from my state.

These are from the last 3 days:

* What's popular in the Bernie store right now

* I know it in my bones - Bill McKibben; [e-mail];

* Help us build a political revolution together

* Nope, they won't - Bernie Sanders

There's another 10 from this past week.

I'm not complaining, mind you, I know I'm on the list due to my supporting of Democrats over the years and I get email from a variety of Democratic sources. But I would never use these emails as evidence of anything.

[Thinkingabout]

51. They send the email and it has a DONATE box in the email.

[Dem2]

55. Generally yes

90% ask for a donation. Some involve signing a petition of some sort (and then, of course, is the donation ask after the petition is signed), and one I listed in the post above, the donation is in the form of purchasing Bernie swag.

[notadmblnd]

3. I'm very eager to see this lawsuit go forward

kick

[leftofcool]

8. Me too because I think there are more Bernie staffer thieves.

[notadmblnd]

13. along with the HRC staffer thieves

[leftofcool]

17. Not according to the logs

You do know that everything is logged right?

[notadmblnd]

19. The logs for that day- Wednesday December 16th

Oh yeah, I know everything is logged and I know this could have happened on more than one occassion. I think we should pull the audit logs of every day since at least September and see what is in those log files and who accessed what and when.

[peacebird]

152. You do know the data company is co owned by Hillarys 2008 tech guy, right?

There has to be an independent audit

[questionseverything]

177. you do know that hc's IT guy controls those logs,right?

if we get an INDEPENDENT investigation we will see what we see

[pnwmom]

95. Why? The lawsuit says that the email addresses are part of the basic DNC database.

So it's no mystery how ALL the campaigns are sending emails to each others supporters.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[leftofcool]

4. Sanders has my email too.

I also get mail from Obama, and several other Democrats.

[Number23]

7. As much as I love and adore the man, Obama is absolutely SPAMALICIOUS

For a while I was getting something from them every 3 or 4 days. But at least I donated to his campaign and it makes sense.

[mythology]

41. There are days when I get 3 or 4 emails

especially around the end of a financial quarter. I get that they need money and apparently the doom and gloom approach works for lots of people, but I'm one of those people who the doom and gloom approach really annoys.

[pnwmom]

110. The DNC database rented to all three candidates contains email addresses. So if you've ever donated

to any Democrat or signed up for any Democratic thing, you're probably on it.

[zigby]

125. Just another reason to give the finger to the DNC as long as DWS is in charge

And I say that for the betterment of ALL of the campaigns. I think it's slimy to sign away your email in fine print to spambots just because you were nice enough to donate or sign up for DNC mailing lists. Your email shouldn't become the DNC's property.

[pnwmom]

128. Well, your candidate Bernie is happy that all these emails have been collected, because he's been

using them, too.

[zigby]

129. ?

[nc4bo]

5. It'd be super if more people spoke up about this!

Power in numbers they say!

[leftofcool]

9. Aw, it's just the new anti-Hillary site.

I hear it's all the new rage now. Reddit must be down.

[JonLeibowitz]

36. It is anti-Third Way. Clinton is simply a target because she chooses policies

backed by corporations and not for the best of the American People.

[mythology]

45. If you are reduced to calling your opponent Hitler, you've already lost the argument

Plus it shows that they really don't have a firm grasp on reality, so why should I take their claims (or the people making such claims) seriously? It's not just wrong and stupid, it's offensively so. And I will treat people who do so with the open derision they deserve.

[JonLeibowitz]

48. Did I call her Hitler?

I really do not think I have said anything worthy of open derision.

Anyway, How is opposing third-way politics and embracing a more progressive democratic platform displaying an unfirm "grasp on reality"? Thanks in advance.

[joshcryer]

98. Yeah, 30 posts to help Sanders win.

5 times that devoted to trashing Clinton.

Sounds about right.

Half of the posts there are people in my ignore list, and several of my stalkers. Fun.

[dlwickham]

10. you speak Southern!

[Flying Squirrel]

12. Sorry, did I link to Free Republic? Lemme check...

Nope!

And I didn't repeat the offending comment here, so I guess maybe you'd like to discuss the actual content I did post here, which originally came from the African Americans for Bernie 2016 website, or do you have a problem with them too?

Not all websites are like DU and will ban users for using a term that hurts some people's delicate little ears. That doesn't mean they are invalid sources of information. Nice try though...

[Flying Squirrel]

21. Your opinion, nothing more

It's a liberal website devoted to electing Bernie Sanders. To be expected that some users will be less than deferential when referring to Hillary Clinton, there is no jury system and not much moderation yet, but one such reference does not turn the entire site into a liberal version of Free Republic. The people running the website have clearly stated that they don't want this to happen and for the most part its users have followed their wishes.

[AlbertCat]

100. use right wing terminology such as "Hitlery"

Have they called her supporters "vile" and accused them of bigotry yet? Or accused them of actually being Republicans?

We see such class and wisdom thrown at Sanders' supporters here all the time.... alas....

[AlbertCat]

111. Hillary supporters never discuss issues

Never said such a thing.

"poor Bernie supporters are more picked on than Hillary's."

Nope, didn't say that either.

What I DID point out is that, on here, most of the time, not every time as you put it, Hillary supporters are complaining about Sanders' supporters and not Sanders...

And when getting one's panties in a wad over some silly snarky nickname you think is "right wing terminology", you should remember that Hillary lovers call Sanders' supporters vile and accuse them of actually being right wingers, right here.

Your fake outrage is moot considering....

Your over the top hyperbolic reading between the lines is also telling.


a lecture on class and decorum from such a place is laughable.

[CoffeeCat]

29. Typical attack tactic when you don't like the message

Attack the messenger. Attack the sources.

[JonLeibowitz]

58. The site does not exist to disrupt DU.

Please see http://jackpineradicals.org/showthread.php?682-Some-guidance-re-talking-about-other-forums-and-their-members&p=2542#post2542

I trust you simply commented in ignorance.

[JonLeibowitz]

65. That post was deleted, following swift criticism for such thuggery.

The TOS do not allow such posting, so the post was deleted.

[JonLeibowitz]

70. Seriously -- try to go to that forum and find it! It was deleted. I'll even help you out.

Here is the link to the forum it was posted in. http://jackpineradicals.org/forumdisplay.php?18-General-Talk

Thank you in advance for the link to the post. If you cannot provide one, I guess that just means it was deleted for violating TOS.

[JonLeibowitz]

72. Ok, I accept your apology; certainly that post we disagreed about was deleted. Have a nice evening.

[JonLeibowitz]

78. Well you posted an untruth (it wasn't deleted) and we now both agree it was deleted.

I think that concludes our conversation. Bye.

[JonLeibowitz]

80. You continue to maintain that the post was not deleted?

Then please post a link to it. Thanks in advance. Bye, until then.

[JonLeibowitz]

83. .

I say "That post was deleted, following swift criticism for such thuggery."

You reply "Uh huh".

How am I suppose to read that comment as anything other than doubt that the post was deleted?

[JonLeibowitz]

86. Ahh, well with such a lack of specificity, I really must take leave of this conversation. n/t

[LovingA2andMI]

54. African-Americans for Bernie 2016 FB Page!!!

Love that speaking truth site. Visit it often. Nice minds there and a truly welcoming place.....

[LovingA2andMI]

60. Uh Huh....

And the Site is Great Too! Both places ran by the same African-Americans supporting the Election of Bernie Sanders. Great Site(s) -- now plural instead of singular.

[pnwmom]

123. Actually, your pro-Bernie website does NOT ALLOW its members to say offensive things about Hillary.

So that website isn't a good place for people who want to go around offending people with "delicate little ears."

From your link:

This is a PRO BERNIE group. We are not anti-Hillary, anti-Obama, pro or anti-Black Lives Matters. Posts should be about Bernie and things tied to Bernie. It is directed toward African American people. Keep that in mind when posting. This is not the forum for anything you happen to come across that is black. While it's primary target is African Americans, we are not addressing black history here unless you can tie it to Bernie. Use good and decent judgment when posting. Offensive and unrelated posts will be deleted.

[notadmblnd]

20. Attack the messenger, Ignore the message

KKKral Rove play book pg 2.

[LovingA2andMI]

56. You know how it is...

Folks can't have other sites they visit on FB or Elsewhere without others judging it.

Let them. They have certain sites and Others Happily Have Theirs. Amazing how that internet thingy works.

[notadmblnd]

11. more....

Independent Underground News & Talk: Getting what from Hillary? Are you receiving emails from the Clinton Campaign?

Here is how that is occurring:

It starts with the NGP VAN. NGP VAN is a Database Clearing House that Sells (loans -- but technically sells) your email address to any campaign (i.e. The Hillary Campaign) willing to buy (loan) it.

Basically at some point and time during a campaign (could have been for a LOCAL office candidate) your email information you gave to that candidate was placed into the Data NGP VAN clearing house.

This could have happened as simple as visiting the local candidate for office site and filling in the pop-up form where it says "Subscribe to our newsletter/campaign information/to volunteer/or whatever else here" and you filled in the email address.

Then from there, candidates (i.e. -- The Clinton Campaign) who you NEVER GAVE PERMISSION in any form to use that email, did a "data dump" off all email addresses placed into the NGP Van -- to start sending you emails.

The only way this logically stops is two ways:

1). Send the Emails by Campaign Clinton to your SPAM FOLDER. Also mark them as SPAM.

2). Never, ever give a campaign your REAL EMAIL ADDRESS. Only give them a "throwaway one" -- i.e. one you never check and don't give a damn about who sends what there.

Independent Underground News & Talk

FROM THE OP ON REPLY:
Bernie Sanders is the only campaign that has my email after i mailed in a donation!

Im sending them to berine's campaign HQ in burlington, by mail after i print them.

OUR REPLY:
Independent Underground News & Talk: James, sadly that is likely how the Clinton Campaign received your email. The Sanders Campaign placed as they are required to do, the email data file into the NGP VAN and the Clinton Campaign accessing the NGP Van sent you an email.

FROM THE OP ON REPLY:
Is that legal?

OUR REPLY:
Independent Underground News & Talk: James, it's not illegal if that makes sense but the CAN-SPAM Law is the best means of dealing with it.

The best thing of course to do is ALWAYS when dealing with Political Campaigns -- give them a Throwaway email address -- regardless if you support the candidate or not. The NGP VAN Database Clearinghouse, makes that action a necessity.

In Other Words, It Appears on Surface The CLINTON CAMPAIGN was accessing Sanders Campaign Data from the NGP Van JUST LIKE they accused the Sanders Campaign of doing. Where is the Sanders Campaign Apology?

Have a feeling this (not this post above) but the whole kit and kaboole about the NGP Van IT Breech will break big on Monday and the Sanders Campaign did not in retrospect do ANYTHING different than the Clinton Campaign did.

[azurnoir]

15. seems Hillary and Co. just want to move on forget the whole thing happened

could this be why?

[notadmblnd]

18. Suddenly they want to put it all back in the can.

One of today's talking points seem to be the Rodney King "can't we all just get along" and move forward?

[draa]

32. They know what's going to be found.

Why do you think they've been on DNC's side recently.

Suddenly, the most hated group in our party is loved by them. Why you ask? I believe they know the DNC is in collusion with HC and that's fine by them. The last thing they want is an audit/investigation of the DNC.

[pnwmom]

147. No. All three parties have agreed to an independent auditor, some company named Kroll. n/t

[notadmblnd]

153. I'm aware and that is a good thing

But I'm still looking forward to what the Judge has to say.

[Luminous Animal]

182. Yes but an audit for this incident only. Bernie's campaign wants an audit done starting from day one...

He and his campaign have asked for an audit from day one. So far, crickets from HRC and the DNC.

[pnwmom]

186. Do you have a link showing Bernie's campaign criticizing the arrangement with Kroll?

I know they were insinuating lots of stuff when Weaver was huffing and puffing prior to Kroll being called in, but that's all it was -- bluster. And he mixed that in with lies about who did it -- just some "low level staffer" -- some passionate "young" person. So I don't take anything he said then very seriously.

[Luminous Animal]

187. I never said he criticizing the arrangement with Kroll.

Asking for a full audit is not criticizing the current arrangement. He has merely requested that the current arrangement be expanded. The campaign has requested a full independent audit PRIOR to the hiring of Kroll and Bernie proposed it in Saturday night's debate. During Hillary's response, she did not agree nor did she disagree. She simply did not address it at all.

The Hillary campaign has not addressed it. The DNC has not addressed it and Hillary's supporters on DU have not addressed it.

Why?

[pnwmom]

188. But has Bernie complained about the lack of a longer audit period SINCE the arrangement with Kroll

was made?

[Luminous Animal]

189. Again. He is not complaining about Kroll doing an audit of this incident.

He merely wants to expand it. His campaign brought up the proposal for a full INDEPENDENT audit prior to the agreement with the DNC (which included hiring Kroll) and Bernie brought up the proposal to expand the audit during the debate which was after the agreement with the DNC.

It seems like a reasonable proposal. Clearly, the company has no business running a system that has security holes. A full audit might reveal how egregious their security may be.

Wouldn't we all want to know this?

Also, a full audit might reveal that the Sanders's campaign has been exploiting security holes for months.

Currently, the lawsuit is still on the table. I think the Bernie campaign is using it as leverage to get the full audit that they want. And I think that Wasserman-Shultz and the Hillary campaign shouldn't be given a pass for not responding to the Sanders's campaign proposal.

[pnwmom]

190. Again. What is he saying or not saying NOW about the lack of any additional arrangement?

You keep saying what he wants without providing any current links. Since he and the DNC came to the understanding about Kroll, has he issued any complaint that the arranged audit will not cover a long enough time period?

I think you would have answered my question by now if he had.

[Luminous Animal]

191. Did you watch the debate?

Here is Sanders asking for a full investigation

SANDERS: Fourthly, I work -- look forward to working with Secretary Clinton for an investigation, an independent investigation, about all of the breaches that have occurred from day one in this campaign, because I am not convinced that information from our campaign may not have ended up in her campaign. Don't know that.

Here is Clinton ignoring the request.

CLINTON: I very much appreciate that comment, Bernie. It really is important that we go forward on this.

I know that you now have your data back, and that there has been an agreement for an independent inquiry into what did happen.

Obviously, we were distressed when we learned of it, because we have worked very hard -- I said in the beginning of this campaign, we want to reach as many voters as possible, and we have tens of thousands of volunteers doing that, and entering data all the time to keep up with what people are telling us.

And so, now that, I think, you know, we have resolved your data, we have agreed on an independent inquiry, we should move on. Because I don't think the American people are all that interested in this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debate-transcript-clinton-sanders-omalley-in-new-hampshire/

[pnwmom]

195. That was prior to the Kroll arrangement. So the answer is no. Thanks. n/t

[Luminous Animal]

197. The debate was after the Kroll agreement. As Hillary acknowledged in her response.

Would you support a full investigation from day one?

[840high]

43. Let's make sure they don't move on.

[mythology]

50. Good lord is that an absolutely stupid analysis

I've gotten on many mailing lists that I didn't sign up for because somebody I did sign up for bought a mailing list. I got added to a list for a candidate in California. I had never heard of her before, I've never lived in California and never signed up for it. But somebody, the DNC, OFA, or one of the local politicians I signed up for sold/rented a mailing list.

These people are just really really stupid. They have a conclusion they want to reach (Hillary Clinton is evil and Bernie Sanders and his campaign are purer than Snow White) and then fit a scenario to support that conclusion, whether or not the facts actually fit. It's disingenuous and only appeals to those who want to believe it. To be fair, given how poorly many of those same people understand scientific polling, I suppose it's only appropriate that they not understand that the conclusion comes after the evidence, not the other way around.

[LovingA2andMI]

59. The NGP VAN...

Does work where emails that are placed in the database that are available for Loaning (Borrowing, Buying and All That Jazz) for campaigns. Usually, one does not send emails to their opponents campaign -- especially if they (the voters that is) Lean Towards the Opponent -- unless there is a data breech.

Facts are amazing things.

[Dem2]

63. But begging the question is fun and popular!

Don't you want to hang out with the "cool kids"?

[pnwmom]

101. And they are SO stupid it hasn't occurred to any of them that the DNC database

includes email addresses.

But it's listed right there in Friday's lawsuit, filed by the Sanders campaign.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[stevenleser]

149. Which is why I hope the folks who started that website stay there.

At some point DU became about trashing Democrats and spurious assumption based OPs instead of facts and links. The folks who started and participate in that website are many I see as responsible for that.

Let them stay there and promote nonsense like the OP and the efficacy of online polls.

[notadmblnd]

155. Oh c'mon. I know you can do better at name calling than that.

nt

[Dem2]

89. Bernie uses NGP VAN and got my email address the same way as you describe

But this isn't the salient issue, is it? I thought the data breach involved more important information such as strength of a voter's commitment to a particular candidate (and similar useful targeting data), correct?

[pnwmom]

96. More complete IDIOCY. The Sanders campaign own legal document says that email addresses

are part of the massive database that the DNC has been renting to the three candidates.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[notadmblnd]

154. If you had a basic understanding in regards to databases you would

know, that no one is disputing who has access to email addresses in the database. Both campaign have access to the database. What both campaign should not have is ACCESS TO EACH OTHER'S DATA IN THAT DATABASE. If everyone was able to access each other's data in there wouldn't be a problem now.

But I agree pure IDIOCY on the part of the DNC and Wasserman-Schultz. See what happens when one works themselves into a frenzy? She got angry, worked herself up and made bad decisions. Now the DNC and their vendor look like IDIOTS.

[AtomicKitten]

16. I've always thought she got Obama's mailing list of donors.

I've just ignored the spam I get from her campaign. I'll be interested to know if she got my info by other means.

[artislife]

28. That's right...I would get emails from her in 2008.

Whatever.

[pnwmom]

166. All 3 candidates rent the DNC database that contains all the names

of Democrats and leaners they've collected from all the official campaigns. This is a way all Democrats help each other.

[pnwmom]

165. The DNC database rented by all 3 candidates contains Obama's donors.

There's nothing nefarious here, and there's no reason for her to obtain the same list from two sources.

[brooklynite]

23. This is ridiculous...clearly the information came from the NSA.

[leftofcool]

24. Because Hillary is in bed with the NSA.

[brooklynite]

25. Well, President Obama runs the NSA and picked DWS who's allegedly in bed with Clinton...

...I figure, if you're going to concoct a conspiracy theory, at least be creative.

[JonLeibowitz]

61. She is openly disrespectful of the 1st amendment when it comes to encryption

So color me not surprised if she is in bed with the NSA.

Completely unfit to serve.

[leftofcool]

75. Woosh!

[JonLeibowitz]

76. The sound of my civil liberties vanishing with an authoritarian Hillary as president? n/t

[Historic NY]

26. Duh the campaigns share mailings lists..............

with the DNC.

[pnwmom]

103. And duh, the DNC database they're all sharing contains emails.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[BlueCheese]

31. The conspiracy-minded theories here are way out of control.

If you donated, contributed, or signed up with any Democratic organization or candidate before, chances are your contact info was saved and given to someone else. It's why I got email from Obama after Kerry endorsed him; it's how Planned Parenthood got my info, it's how an organization I never knew existed, the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee (or something) got my email.

For heaven's sake, it's how Macy's gets your info.

I always Democrats were supposed to be the reality-based party. Now here we are, accusing a candidate of theft based on the flimsiest of circumstantial evidence. It's freaking embarrassing.

[stevenleser]

150. Yep, you beat me to it. See my #149 above. Nt

[AzDar]

35. K & R

[creeksneakers2]

37. Campaigns buy mailing lists

And there are thousands of outfits selling E-mail lists. Put your name on a petition and you'll get a never ending supply of E-mail. Are you sure you never sent an E-mail to anybody but Bernie?

[pnwmom]

118. And all three are renting the DNC database -- which contains email addresses.

But these geniuses think there's some big conspiracy going on . . .

[PADemD]

39. Your email may have been obtained by signing a petition.

I have noticed, when signing petitions, that they are sometimes sponsored by non-profit organizations who would like to add you to their mailing list. There is usually a little check box at the end of the petition, before you hit the submit button. If you do not want to be included on a particular organization's mailing list, you must unclick that box before you hit submit.

[pnwmom]

116. Or a thousand other ways. The basic DNA database all 3 campaigns are renting

contains full contact info, including email addresses.

But it's so much more fun for some to spread conspiracy theories than to look for simple facts.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[LovingA2andMI]

42. Oh, yeah...We Know...

NGP Van.... Details on this post (in the thread) as there are only so many things we can type here.....

[840high]

47. TY

[LovingA2andMI]

53. You're Welcome!!

[pnwmom]

99. No, you don't. The lawsuit describes the DNC's massive database -- the one all three candidates

have been renting from the DNC -- as including email addresses.

One more conspiracy theory bites the dust. But I'm sure it will rise again, like a zombie.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[LovingA2andMI]

121. Trying and Failing....

We don't fall for the okey dokey failed "rope a dope" strategy so Bye-Bye. We have bigger fish to fly then getting baited in a ocean as big as the internet. It is nice the internet is such a BIG FISH and we speak our minds quite often on it -- and folks listen too. 3 Million and counting......

[pnwmom]

122. "Okey dokey"? Is this post supposed to be making any sense?

I explained that the mystery of the OP is solved -- the email addresses come from the DNC database.

And you reply with gibberish . . . okey dokey.

[leftofcool]

137. Say what?

[LovingA2andMI]

158. Says Scroll Up....

[stonecutter357]

62. Sanders campaign improperly accessed Clinton voter data

[pnwmom]

68. Duh. The addresses came from the DNC database all the candidates have access to.

You know, that shared database that was temporarily withheld from the Sanders' campaign until they assured the DNC that they weren't going to use the stolen proprietary HRC data.

[JDPriestly]

82. Yes. This is only the beginning of the revelation of the extent of the corruption in the DNC.

[pnwmom]

97. No, it's just more conspiracy hysteria. The truth is in the Sanders legal document

that was filed on Friday, that describes the massive DNC database that was being rented to all three candidates: and it includes email addresses.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[merrily]

84. At least two DUers have posted similar experiences.

Problem is, the vendor is heavily involved with the DNC and the Clintons. Do the math.

[Betty Karlson]

90. This is why Clinton's numbers "improved" after October: DWS allowed

a security breech to exist and camp Weathervane acted (allegedly) like a kid in a candyshop.

[pnwmom]

102. So you swallowed the crap, too, huh? The email addresses are part of the DNC database

that all three campaigns are renting from the DNC.

Don't believe me -- it's in the Sanders' campaign lawsuit document.

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460273748/bernie-sanders-campaign-locked-out-of-key-voter-file-after-data-breach

[Betty Karlson]

107. I don't believe the e-mail addresses were the only thing...

Can't wait for that independent enquiry. Maybe we can have some fair primary process afterwards.

[pnwmom]

109. Email addresses are the subject of the OP. Can you ever just keep to the topic at hand? n/t

[Betty Karlson]

119. I try to see the bigger picture. n/t

[pnwmom]

120. You try to change the subject. n/t

[leftofcool]

124. That's quite an accusation!

I am assuming you have proof of this? The logs show only the Bernie camp downloaded and saved Clinton's data. I will await your solid proof.

[rjsquirrel]

113. Lol it's a conspiracy I tells ya!

Where on earth could a campaign find someone's phone number!!!

Paranoia runs deep among some here.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

115. We received a Hillary letter here out of the blue.

[pnwmom]

117. So what? The basic DNC database that Bernie and Hillary and Martin are renting

contains full contact info, including email addresses.

[Lucinda]

130. I admire your perseverance on this one

Hopefully some of them will start paying attention.

[Karma13612]

145. I'm supporting Bernie but did start getting lots of HRC and

DNC mailings and emails recently.

HMMMMM

Nada from O'Malley tho.

[pnwmom]

146. That's why. They're all able to access the same DNC database. O'Malley probably

has fewer resources to put into mass marketing. I would expect he's aiming everything at Iowa and NH at the moment. Are you in one of those states?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

160. You don't see any problem at all with the hypocrisy....

It's okay for Hillary to use the donor list from Bernie for a mass mailing.

You're fine with that.

[pnwmom]

161. You don't understand. She didn't use BERNIE'S donor list.

They ALL rented the DNC's massive mailing list that contains names the DNC has collected from all candidates everywhere.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

172. LOL!!! Yeah, cuz wez all SHARES everything so wutz da fuss?

[pnwmom]

174. What is the fuss? This massive database was part of the well-organized, computerized GOTV process

that put Obama into office in 2008 and 2012.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

175. So that all belongs to Hillary now?

[pnwmom]

176. No, it doesn't "belong" to her. She rents it. And Bernie rents it. And Martin rents it.

It belongs to the DNC.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

179. Yup. And they are the ones that are responsible for the firewall between the campaigns.

[pnwmom]

180. They are responsible for the actions of their staffers. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

196. Nobody has denied he shouldn't have looked to see how bad things were....

That should have been the vendor.

This is NOT a fight between Bernie and Hillary. This should be BOTH campaigns against the sloppy security of the DNC and the Vendor.

BTW: The DNC and the Clintons are NOT the same thing. It just seems that way.

Maybe because DWS was the head of the Hillary campaign in '08. The vendor did Hillary's campaign in '08 too.....and DWS is his aunt.

Keep in mind that there is not supposed to be even the APPEARANCE of bias.

[Karma13612]

183. No, so that confirms your theory. Thanks for the clarification! Happy Holidays! eom

[Spitfire of ATJ]

159. LOL!!! So why the freakout from Hillary supporters that Bernie looked at her stuff?

[pnwmom]

162. You don't understand this part either.

There are two sets of data. (1) There is the massive DNA database containing contact info for all known possible Dem voters. Each of the three candidates rented that database.

Then, using that database, they went out separately and based on further research, (2) added their own proprietary information related to the likelihood of the person voting for their candidate. That was the work of each separate campaign and was supposed to be viewable only by each separate campaign.

For a short while, the firewall that was supposed to be up between the 3 campaigns came down. So it was possible, if you took multiple DELIBERATE steps, to view not only the basic database plus your own campaign info -- but also the other two campaigns' info.

According to the audit, the Bernie staffers were the only ones to take advantage of that vulnerability and actively delve into Hillary's private information -- and they downloaded it and exported it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

168. Bernie's people found Hillary's stuff mixed in their own like someone put it there by mistake...

It's like if you worked in a cubicle and someone dropped off a file in your inbox meant for someone else.

The Hillary people really need to hope this goes away soon.

It's going to be used by Republicans to attack her as they will link it to their fake email scandal. They will claim she can't even protect her private stuff from a friend and we're supposed to trust her to protect America?

Then the media will play this over and over....

Ramp up the fear to make everyone RUN to vote for the Republican.

[pnwmom]

169. No, they did not. They took "deliberate steps" to view her data

once the vulnerability occurred. They just didn't accidentally view it mixed in with their own.

This was all explained in Amy Dacey's statement.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

171. I guess you are the type to figure everything the other side says is a lie....

You have it in your head that the evil Bernie campaign hacked your wonderful Hillary.

[snot]

131. K&R'd!

[snot]

132. How the heck is it that only Sandernistas noticed & reported a problem???

And if Hillary's so concerned, why isn't she, too, calling for an independent investigation???

Come to the dark/light side, w/ Hamlet: http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

[leftofcool]

134. She did

[snot]

136. Great! This is the first I've heard. Where, what, etc.?

[leftofcool]

138. That was the first thing she said when she found out her data had been stolen

[pnwmom]

163. Some company called Kroll. I haven't heard any other details.

[pnwmom]

141. The Sandernistas didn't notice. The DNC called the Bernie campaign to say they'd seen

unusual activity, that Bernie people were diving into HRC data, and they needed to stop.

And then for 24 hours the Bernie campaign left Bernie OUT OF THE LOOP. He only found out 24 hours after the campaign got the call, when Debbie Wasserman called him directly. And he was furious, of course.

[MADem]

140. No, it's not "just the beginning." It's people who don't know how these databases work, making up

stuff to cause trouble and foment party discontent.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_12/an_explanation_of_what_bernie059035.php

...the Sanders camp’s reactions have been laughable. It was their team that unethically breached Clinton’s data. It was their comms people who spoke falsely about what happened. The Sanders campaign wasn’t honeypotted into doing it—their people did it of their own accord. NGPVAN isn’t set up to benefit Clinton at Sanders’ expense—and if the violation by the campaigns had been reversed, Sanders supporters would have been claiming a conspiracy from sunrise to sundown. What’s very clear is that the Clinton camp did nothing wrong in any of this. Sanders campaign operatives did, and then Wasserman-Schultz compounded it by overreacting. And in the end, the right thing ended up happening: the lead staffer in question was fired, and the campaign got its data access back.

It’s also another reminder that armchair activists speculating about news stories would do well to actually get involved in campaign field activities. If you want to be involved in politics, there’s no substitute for actually doing the work to gain a real understanding of how and why campaigns and politicians behave as they do. There would be a lot fewer overwrought conspiracy theories, at the very least.

[reformist2]

143. What's laughable is thinking that only a few people in one campaign peeked over the broken firewall.

Apparently everyone in all the campaigns knew there were problems with the security of the data. The idea that one campaign was and is as pure as the driven snow on this point is absurd.

[MADem]

144. You still don't understand. The Sanders campaign did NOT report this to the vendor or the DNC.

That fired guy LIED. He also lied about that October "report" as well. You are defending a fired LIAR, in essence.

They got caught because the database is continuously monitored. It was as good as being caught on tape. Here--straight from the horse's mouth:

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix.

We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to within the limited timeframe when the bug was live. Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy

[pnwmom]

164. This was a lot more than peeking. At least one staffer took multiple steps

to deliberately download and export data. But even just viewing the data required deliberate action.

And the DNC audit showed that neither Martin's campaign nor Hillary's took such action.

I know you're positive the staff of Bernie-so-pure are all better than anyone else, but it turns out they weren't.

[BlueMTexpat]

148. If you have ever contributed to a Democratic

candidate, your address is in the DNC database which can be accessed by all Dem candidates.

It even says that in Bernie's lawsuit, as several responses here have pointed out.

I am a Hillary supporter who has received information and requests for donations from all three candidates for the past several months.

[FloridaBlues]

151. Actually I was wondering the same I got email from sanders and I support Hillary

Hum makes me wonder

[ecstatic]

156. How would Bernie's contacts be helpful to Hillary?

Use a little common sense here.. Bernie supporters are not likely to switch teams prior to the GE. On the other hand, at least according to Bernie supporters, Hillary supporters don't know about Bernie yet, and are possibly open to switching.

[kenfrequed]

157. I don't think anything is going to be proven either way like this

I think we need an independent audit of the system for the last six months to be sure of anything.

[pnwmom]

167. It's already a known fact right that all 3 candidates

rent the use of the massive DNC database that includes the name of every known Democratic member or leaner, past or present.

So it's no mystery why people who support one candidate hear from supporters of another.

[kenfrequed]

170. hmm...

And all of the software vendors that do business with the DNC on behalf of these candidates should be audited for the last six months.

[sufrommich]

173. Where would the Sanders campaign be without

multiple conspiracies?

[Zen Democrat]

178. I received my only two ever emails from the Hillary campaign during November.

[onecaliberal]

181. This is a fact, I am one of them....

At the time, I thought, how in the hell did they get my information. I guess now I know.

[WillyT]

192. Yep... This Is Only Starting...

[99Forever]

193. I don't "wonder" one fucking bit.

I know how the lying, corrupt, hypocritical jerks got it, they stole it from Bernie.

Good luck ever getting a nickel from me, DNC.

I'd sooner Bern my money.

Oh yes I would.

[Dem2]

194. Many of us just became on Bernie's list how do you explain that?

Also, I would like proof of what you are claiming. I think if you slander like this, you should probably have some actual facts to back up what you're saying.