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Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:40 PM Dec 2015

PolitiFact on Democratic Debate

In summary,
Hillary: FALSE - (SHE MUST HAVE KNOWN SHE WAS TELLILNG A LIE! She had nothing to back it up when they called and checked!) How does this help her numbers with 'distrust'?


PolitiFact: Fact-checking the Democratic presidential debate
• Angie Drobnic Holan, PolitiFact Editor
Sunday, December 20, 2015 2:53pm

Democratic president candidates Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley, debate at Saint Anselm College on Saturday in Manchester, N.H. (Photo by Andrew Burton/Getty Images)
ISIS and terrorism were major topics at the Democratic debate on Saturday night at Saint Anselm College in Manchester, N.H. Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton used the venue to take a shot at Republican primary frontrunner Donald Trump, saying that his rhetoric is a gift to ISIS.

"We also need to make sure that the really discriminatory messages that Trump is sending around the world don't fall on receptive ears," Clinton said. "He is becoming ISIS's best recruiter. They are going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists."

Not having heard that before, our eyebrows went up when we heard Clinton's comment, and we weren't alone. The Twitter sphere, on both the right and the left, picked up on Clinton's statement and questioned whether she had any evidence for it.

Extensive Google searches did not turn up any evidence. And the response from the Clinton campaign did not point to any specific videos. The campaign pointed to an NBC News story quoting Rita Katz of the SITE Intelligence Group, which monitors the social media activities of Islamic terrorist groups.

"They love him from the sense that he is supporting their rhetoric," she said. "They follow everything Donald Trump says. When he says, 'No Muslims should be allowed in America,' they tell people, 'We told you America hates Muslims and here is proof.' "

The article also quoted David Phillips, director of the Program on Peace-Building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights, saying that "Trump's incendiary anti-Muslim comments will surely be used by ISIS social media to demonize the United States and attract recruits to fight in Iraq and Syria."

But while such quotes support the notion that ISIS could be making recruiting videos, or will do so, they do not support Clinton's contention — offered in the present tense — that they are doing so.

Vox.com tweeted at J.M. Berger, author of the book ISIS: The State of Terror, and Berger tweeted back, "I would be surprised if they had and we didn't hear about it in a big way."

For now, it seems that Clinton has turned speculative left-of-center rhetoric into fact. At PolitiFact, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. We'll update our fact-check in the event solid evidence emerges. But for now, that evidence does not exist. The Clinton campaign did not provide any evidence that this is happening — only that it could be happening, or that it may in the future. If ISIS was using Trump for recruitment videos, we would expect a frenzy of media coverage over it. We rated this statement False.

O'Malley, Clinton and gun control
Former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley said he has the best record on gun issues among the Democratic candidates.

"Secretary Clinton changes her position on this every election year, it seems, having one position in 2000 and then campaigning against President (Barack) Obama and saying we don't need federal standards," O'Malley said.

We found that O'Malley does have a point that Clinton's rhetoric and her position on a few specific gun control measures shifted from 2000 to 2008, and then from 2008 to 2015.
In 2000, in the wake of the 1999 Columbine, Colo., school shooting, Clinton was emphatic about her support for gun control. In 2008, she dropped her support for a gun license and registration proposal and positioned herself to the right of her major opponent, then-Sen. Obama. While Clinton also advocated for leaving some gun control to the states, she still advocated for federal gun control efforts, and she never said "we don't need federal standards."
In 2015, Clinton has been more forceful with her support for gun control than she was in 2008 — closer to her rhetoric in 2000.

While her positioning has shifted, it wasn't nearly as dramatic as O'Malley made it out to be. We rated his claim Half True.

Sanders on health care spending
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is a longtime supporter of a single-payer U.S. health care system and he used some international comparisons to bolster his proposal.
"We spend almost three times per capita as to what they spend in the U.K. — 50 percent more than in France," Sanders said.
Data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development back him up. In 2013, total spending on health care in the United Kingdom was about $3,200 per person. France spent about $4,100. In the United States, spending topped $8,700. Do the math and Sanders is right.
We rated this claim True.

Angie Drobnic Holan is the editor of PolitiFact. Contact her at aholan@tampabay.com. Follow @AngieHolan.
PolitiFact: Fact-checking the Democratic presidential debate 12/20/15 [Last modified: Sunday, December 20, 2015 11:09pm]
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PolitiFact on Democratic Debate (Original Post) ViseGrip Dec 2015 OP
Stating the video remark about Trump the way she did was not a good move for Hillary... Punkingal Dec 2015 #1
Motherfucker gets attention from the stinking mainstream media everyday bigdarryl Dec 2015 #4
Yeah, he does and democrats shouldn't assist... Punkingal Dec 2015 #9
Can I get a link, please? The Boss Dec 2015 #2
Here. aidbo Dec 2015 #3
If ISIS hadn't thought of that yet, as appears to be the case, NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #5
Like ISIS doesn't use the internet. countingbluecars Dec 2015 #6
Despite all evidence to the contrary. frylock Dec 2015 #8
They checked just one fact on each candidate? Buzz Clik Dec 2015 #7


(9,522 posts)
1. Stating the video remark about Trump the way she did was not a good move for Hillary...
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:44 PM
Dec 2015

No doubt ISIS uses his remarks, but she should have said it in a different way. She gave him ammunition and he is getting all kinds of attention this morning because of it.



(13,190 posts)
4. Motherfucker gets attention from the stinking mainstream media everyday
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:58 PM
Dec 2015

And I have no problem what Hillary said.That's the democrats problem we always want to play nice without offending anybody while the rethugs can go around and call our President and first lady all kinds of names.


(9,522 posts)
9. Yeah, he does and democrats shouldn't assist...
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 03:46 PM
Dec 2015

and Hillary needs to be careful how she says things, in case she adds to the lack of trustworthiness issue she has. I can't stand him...I wish they hadn't even mentioned his name.



(11,197 posts)
5. If ISIS hadn't thought of that yet, as appears to be the case,
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:10 PM
Dec 2015

it's probably a smart thing that she mentioned it. Save them some brainstorming time.


Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. They checked just one fact on each candidate?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:25 PM
Dec 2015

Did they not check into Sanders's little fibs about the data issue?

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