2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2016 will be just like 2008, I predict.
It will be a new first for the presidency. In 2008, we elected our first black President. In 2016, we'll elect the first woman as President. Another historical election!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,461 posts)You never know. It will be historical in any event.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Pardon me, I have lox waiting with breakfast (no joke, jusr too damn great a timing)
PatrickforO
(15,420 posts)That's it!
I'm sure plugging for Bernie, and I'll be supporting him every step of the way!
artislife
(9,497 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)She's not running this year. #FeelTheBern
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)mwrguy
(3,245 posts)PatrickforO
(15,420 posts)Dan song, Midnight Cruiser.
The time of our time has come and gone,
I fear we've been waiting too long.
Tell me where are you going, midnight cruiser?
Where is your bounty of fortune and fame?
Great song, and it may be that Warren, like Teddy before her might become the new Lion of the Senate. I don't think she'll ever run for prez either.
Owl
(3,767 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Seriously, I laughed out loud.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,461 posts)and if she ran a second time she'd be 73. Not a whole lot of difference...
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I think that ship has sailed. She'll be 71 June 2020.
President Warren....would have been outstanding for US.
sonofspy777
(360 posts)GoBernieGo!!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)or at least check the batteries in the one you have.
MineralMan
(151,210 posts)Chicken entrails. Crystal balls are a distorted way to scry the future.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)scry
skrī/
verb
foretell the future using a crystal ball or other reflective object or surface.
MineralMan
(151,210 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)There are a couple of people here who send me to the dictionary often. I enjoy that aspect.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I thought it was a typo.
Filing the word away for future use.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The Party elites fight to keep progressives off the ticket like they did in 2000. They like the DLC/Third Way candidates that are beholden to the Oligarchy. Sanders has a much better chance of winning the general but the Democratic Party Elites would rather see another Bush than let a progressive win. Goldman-Sachs made it crystal clear that the Oligarchy supports either Clinton or Bush.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)yeah, the Democrats caused that clusterfuck...
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Of course their sponsors don't really care if Democrats win as long as progressives don't win. Goldman-Sachs, the Oligarch spokesperson for HRC says they will be happy with Clinton or Bush.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)this
was at how crazy your post was. you blaming the Democrats for the bush clusterfuck is one of the strangest things I've heard in a long time.
Response to one_voice (Reply #44)
rhett o rick This message was self-deleted by its author.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)lemme break it down for you..

mkay. I'm done now.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Owl
(3,767 posts)MineralMan
(151,210 posts)I haven't always liked the results, though.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Proud Public Servant
(2,097 posts)As the dull establishment figure who is terrible at campaigning and out-of-touch with ordinary Americans handily defeats the candidate generating all the enthusiasm. I just hope the general election doesn't also play out the same way as 2004.
niyad
(132,255 posts)PufPuf23
(9,826 posts)enter office with the momentum and support that Barrack Obama had in 2008.
Clinton does not bring out supporter rallies as did Obama much less Sanders at her campaign stops.
Clinton has high negatives outside of and within the Democratic Party unique to Democratic Party candidates for POTUS in the last 50 years.
Clinton as POTUS is the strongest recipe for a divided DP and divided USA and DP loss in 2020.
Clinton promises to be a weak POTUS because of lack of support and she has the inclination to be a War POTUS. Her voting record and public comments on war are repulsive.
Personally I would like a woman POTUS just not Hillary Clinton.
It is apparently more important to HRC and many of her supporters that she be candidate even if it means the DP loses the election (and has weaker down ticket support) and at best a POTUS with weak support.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)PufPuf23
(9,826 posts)If HRC should win the election, there is no chance she will enter office with the momentum and support Barrack Obama enjoyed after the 2008 election.
Historic election, yes; but also wounded POTUS from the start.
Hillary Clinton and the presumption that HRC will be the Democratic candidate for POTUS has blocked other potential candidates.
The problem is compounded because HRC is the candidate of Big Money, Big Politics, Big Media, and Neoliberal philosophy.
Unfortunately, HRC does not generate the in person rallies of Obama in 2008 nor Sanders in 2016.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)PufPuf23
(9,826 posts)All things being equal (and as stated), I would prefer and be excited to have a woman elected POTUS in 2016.
I apologize if you took my response as an attack.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,461 posts)If so, you assume incorrectly. I'm voting for the old grumpy Jewish guy, and so are all the other women I know.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,461 posts)Is it your assumption that all women and all non-Jewish men will vote for Hillary, therefore leaving only Jewish men as Bernie voters? Huh???
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Presidency, the turn out after Obama was elected.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,461 posts)And, I still don't get what difference it makes if someone is a woman or a Jewish man or whatever. Most people vote for, and thereafter (if that person wins) support, the candidate who most closely represents their positions. Most people, at least the smart ones, don't care about ethnicity, race, religion or gender in that respect. So I really don't understand what you're trying to get at.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Has the election already occurred?
Mumble, mumble, something about chickens, and hatching, no before they're hatched.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Hillary will not get the nomination and we'll have our first Jewish POTUS
840high
(17,196 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)"Reply hazy try again"
So there you have it. I'm happy I was able to settle the issue for all of you.
brush
(61,033 posts)A black president, a woman president, majority minority demographic.
Some peoples' head will soon explode.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Anyone thinking otherwise is in denial.
Things certainly could change, however. And that is the magic of politics.
Gothmog
(179,523 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(130,461 posts)Whatever greatness a POTUS might have will be irrespective of gender.