Seattle 500 Bernie Bumper Stickers - Zero Hillary Bumper Stickers Seen - Hillary Leading? Really?

[Yallow]

I live in Seattle, and see a Bernie bumper sticker on one out of every 50 or so cars I see. Just a guess, but probably pretty close. Maybe it is 1 in 100. What I don't see is any Hillary bumper stickers. Not a single one. Zero passionate supporters for Hillary in Seattle.

Same with signs. I see Bernie yard signs all over the place, and not a single Hillary yard sign. Zero. None. Period.

Don't tell me Hillary has any kind of huge lead.

I think the polls are pure bullshit.

Every single person I know supports Bernie, even though they mostly all like Hillary as well.

Folks, we are being lied to.

Someone else thinks so.....

"Hillary Clinton does not lead the Democratic Primary!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251934699

There is no way Hillary has anywhere near as many supporters in Seattle, or anywhere else as Bernie.

We are being lied to folks.

Obviously.

[peacebird]

1. Bingo!

[seabeyond]

2. Really? Bah Ha Ha Ha Ha ha. With that, I am off to dinner. I love Seattle.

[Yallow]

5. Me Too

Betcha will see 20 Bernie bumper stickers, and zero Hillary ones on your way to the restaurant.

Have a good time.

[msongs]

3. you should visit his forum on DU, he wins 100% of the votes there nt

[BlueCaliDem]

4. In 2007-2008 we didn't see many Obama stickers, either. Guess who won reelection with over 51%?

I rest my case.

[Yallow]

9. Rest? I Had An Obama Bumper Sticker, And Was An Obama Delegate

And I never had a single bad thing to say about Hillary.

I like the Clintons. A lot.

[BlueCaliDem]

24. I live in SoCal and I barely saw a sticker or yard sign with Obama/Biden. I saw a LOT of Romney/Ryan

bumper-stickers and yard signs, though.

I, myself, never have bumber-stickers or yard signs. Neither do the members of my political group.

I don't know if I can say I "like the Clintons a lot". I just believe Hillary Clinton would make an outstanding successor to President Obama. She'll even have the clout within Congress to get more things done than President Obama was able to (although he did and continues to do an amazing job!) even though - IF she wins - she'll face the same - or worse - obstructionism than President Obama has had to cope with.

[pangaia]

30. Wait... there was no 're-election.' in 2008.

Oh, you mean ELECTION. Gotcha.

or. primaries,, I'm confused..

Anyway...

But, that still completely misses the point. Hillary was AHEAD then, right, in the primaries.? And Obama, with few bumper stickers came from behind to beat her.'


Now Hillary is again ahead but has FEWER bumper stickers. It is the guy behind with all the bumper stickers.

get it?

[BlueCaliDem]

43. In 2008 Hillary Clinton was neck-and-neck with Obama. I don't believe she was consistently ahead.

Sometimes she was ahead. Sometimes he was ahead. But Obama then had more delegates than she did. There were, however, bumper-stickers and yard signs with Obama everywhere. In the end, they both won about 18 million votes, and it were delegates that broke the tie and broke for Senator Obama.

Sanders has two delegates, plenty of yard signs, plenty of bumper-stickers, even murals...but he has almost no support among minorities and other demographics in the Democratic Party. He has plenty of support among the fringe on the Left, like anarchists, communists, socialists, Greens, and Naderites, but they rarely if ever vote Democratic anyhow, and they won't win him the nomination. Democrats, by and large, don't have faith he's strong enough to go toe to toe against any Republican who wins the primary.

In 2012, no bumper-stickers, no yard signs...and yes, even a call from Sanders to primary him...but President Obama won re-election against all those odds and despite massive unfavorable news coverage...because of the minority vote.

Sanders will not win the nomination. Bookmark this post and should I be wrong, please rub it in my face after the primaries.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Here in the People's Republic of Minneapolis

I have seen exactly one Hillary sticker. I haven't counted Bernie stickers, but I see several each time I go anywhere, along with several lawn signs. I have not spoken with anyone who admits to supporting Clinton; every Dem I know is a Bernie supporter. I hope it makes an actual difference; since Minnesota is a caucus state I'm expecting Bernie to make a good showing because caucuses draw more enthusiastic and committed supporters.

[99Forever]

39. It's gonna draw me.

And I ain't voting for Hillary. (49th District)

[wyldwolf]

7. Yay! Bernie wins the Seattle bumper sticker primary!

[zappaman]

8. You think "1 out of every 50 or so cars" is a "pretty close guess", but "maybe it is 1 in 100"?

ok

[pangaia]

32. You missed the point..

Whether it is one in 50 cars, one in 100 cars, or whatever, the OP'er is seeing BERNIE bumper stickers and NOT Hillary bumper stickers.

[aidbo]

42. "1 out of 50 vs 1 out of 100" is the same as "1 out 100 vs 2 out of 100"

Or if percentages make more sense to you: 1% vs 2% (a small difference.)

[Matariki]

10. Hey!

We're practically neighbors!

[sufrommich]

11. Exchange "Bernie Sanders" with "Ron Paul" and

this is practically word for word what they were claiming. And they were right,there were Paul stickers everywhere.

[reformist2]

16. So you're saying Hillary is the Mitt Romney of the 2016 campaign.

[sufrommich]

18. No,I'm saying counting bumper stickers is nonsense.nt

[ismnotwasm]

52. the fading Ron Paul ones are still around in Seattle

I just don't see what the OP sees. Not sure where he's getting his data--Seattle isn't the city people think it is.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. November 5, 2012

Peggy Noonan's Blog

11:35 am ET
Nov 5, 2012 UNCATEGORIZED
Monday Morning


But to the election. Who knows what to make of the weighting of the polls and the assumptions as to who will vote? Who knows the depth and breadth of each party’s turnout efforts? Among the wisest words spoken this cycle were by John Dickerson of CBS News and Slate, who said, in a conversation the night before the last presidential debate, that he thought maybe the American people were quietly cooking something up, something we don’t know about.


There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.


Of all people, Obama would know if he is in trouble. When it comes to national presidential races, he is a finely tuned political instrument: He read the field perfectly in 2008. He would know if he’s losing now, and it would explain his joylessness on the stump. He is out there doing what he has to to fight the fight. But he’s still trying to fire up the base when he ought to be wooing the center and speaking their calm centrist talk. His crowds haven’t been big. His people have struggled to fill various venues. This must hurt the president after the trememdous, stupendous crowds of ’08. “Voting’s the best revenge”—revenge against who, and for what? This is not a man who feels himself on the verge of a grand victory. His campaign doesn’t seem president-sized. It is small and sad and lost, driven by formidable will and zero joy.

I suspect both Romney and Obama have a sense of what’s coming, and it’s part of why Romney looks so peaceful and Obama so roiled.

http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/

[Yallow]

15. On PBS I Saw A Guest On A Panel Say There Is No Way Romney Could Win

The other guests freaked out. Why they asked him. With a straight face he said the Obama campaign had so much dirt on Romney they could easily destroy him. Only one person in the whole lead up to the election claimed this.

I think it is 100% true.

Romney made his money bankrupting companies, moving jobs offshore, and robbing people of their pensions.

Am I the only one that understands this? With a few ads, I wouldn't be.....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. It was pretty clear that PBO was a 2-1 favorite by August of 012...

It was pretty clear that PBO was a 2-1 favorite by August of 012 though there were some shaky moments after the first debate. It's hard but not impossible for a Republican to win the White House when he or she is losing nine out of every ten black votes and seven out ten of Asian and Hispanic ones.

[Yallow]

13. Every Single One Of My Democrat(ic) Friends Supports Bernie

Something just doesn't smell right folks.

[Bjornsdotter]

34. Same here

Plus my friends are over 50 and most are women. Interesting stuff.

[reformist2]

14. I guess Hillary supporters don't "do" bumper stickers - or rallies, or twitter, or message boards...

or those dreaded "online" polls!

[Yallow]

17. Or Exist

Imaginary supporters.

Just seems odd I haven't met any Hillary supporters, and know dozens of Bernie folks.

Except here.

Maybe some of the posters are getting paid......

[sufrommich]

23. Did you just accuse DUs Hillary supporters of being paid?

Do you realize how crazy that sounds?

[zappaman]

31. I'm not supporting anyone but if Hillary is paying...

sign me up and I'll start posting!

[sufrommich]

33. It's amazing how many thousands of people are in on this conspiracy.

[99Forever]

40. Doesn't sound crazy at all.

Sounds VERY Clintonish. Maybe you can get ol' Debby Downer to vouch that it isn't happening.

[retrowire]

56. are you seriously denying the existence of online informants?!

do you realize how naive you sound?!

[draa]

28. They don't have to, silly.

She's got this sewn up and in the bag. Except for that pesky FBI investigation thingy anyway. Or being within the margin of error in the Iowa caucus and getting blown out in the NH primary. Sewn up I tell you. Who needs enthusiasm when you've got all that.

[JaneyVee]

37. Neither do most working class Americans.

Who has time for that shit, we're working and raising kids. But we do got time to vote.

[Matariki]

47. Sure have time to respond to every single thread about Sanders on DU though!

C'mon, your posts are plastered over every post about Sanders. How do you expect anyone to believe you "don't have time for that shit"?

Do you have time to volunteer for Clinton? Go to her sparsely attended rallies? Or is it just DU for you?

[pangaia]

20. I am glad to hear that. And I agree with your view as to

how much support Bernie REALLY has.

But just to play devil's advocate, in Huntsville, Alabama, you will see pretty much all Hillary....... and Trump stickers.

And--
The 3 people I work with are republicans, two will vote for Bernie and one for.. some repub...

[PowerToThePeople]

49. Huntsville, one of the MIC hubs of the USA.

I believe you may be correct.

[pangaia]

51. Yes.. Fortunately, I do ot live there. :>)))

[hobbit709]

21. Went to a getogether of old Austin radicals Fri.

About half the people were old 60s style feminists. Not a single person there was for Clinton. About half the cars in the parking lot had Bernie stickers.

[NCTraveler]

22. You are correct.

Might I suggest cruise control?

[Dem2]

25. I assume this is a joke

Exaggerated anecdotal evidence vs polls? All anecdotal evidence does is measure enthusiasm. It also notes groups that are more aggressive. Where I live it's mostly Carly and Carson signs, yet they poll for shit here.

[MeNMyVolt]

26. Deep. I look forward to your next utterance.

[tishaLA]

27. this reminds me of the story about Pauline Kael

after Nixon won in 72, she allegedly said, "How could Nixon have won? Nobody I know voted for him"

[leftofcool]

29. Because bumper stickers vote.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. People who care enough about a candidate to go to the bother

of buying bumper stickers and putting them on their cars, or getting lawn signs and placing them on their lawns, are probably very likely to eventually vote for that candidate. Though not determinative, it is one measure of enthusiasm.

[procon]

36. The logic is woefully lacking in this assertion.

Back in my high school debate class this appeal to ignorance was a weak argument that relied solely on the perceived lack of any evidence to the contrary to sustain the false assertion. It got an automatic "F".

[NuclearDem]

38. The plural of anecdote is not data.

Maybe Clinton supporters just don't bother with bumper stickers.

[Yallow]

45. Maybe They Don't Exist?

Seems kinda strange I don't know any Hillary supporters, and I know hundreds of Democrats.

[Ned_Devine]

55. Besides being the first to respond to a Bernie post, what do they bother doing?

[artislife]

41. I work in Bellevue

I have seen multiple Bernie bumperstickers and finally last week I saw my first Hillary. That's it. I go shopping for clients at Whole Foods, too. These should be her people.

[Matariki]

44. LOL

"I go shopping for clients at Whole Foods, too. These should be her people."

Hi neighbor! You are so correct about that. While I'm not surprised about Seattle favoring Sanders, Bellevue is a whole other thing. Definitely should be her people.

[artislife]

48. Cascadia! I love it.

I think we should be able to break BC, WA and OR away and declare our own little realm.

[Matariki]

53. Amen to that. As long as we're talking *west* of the mountains.

because, well, you know...

[artislife]

64. We will just take their wine. nt

[JoePhilly]

46. Using your methodology, the next President will be ...

... an honor student from the local middle school.

Every car in the area has a bumper sticker about him!

[ismnotwasm]

50. I live in Seattle

And while I occationlly see a Sanders bumper sticker, and-- less often a Hillary bumper sticker as well as (ugh) Trump ones, even a Ben Carson or two, no where near "500". Do you drive for a living? And nope to a whole lot of Bernie yard signs--I know of a couple in Wallingford, a couple in Fremont, none in my neighborhood whatsoever. Haven't seen any Hillary yard signs at all although mine is on its way.

On edit--it would surprise me not at all if the East side were to support Sanders

[Yallow]

58. All Over The Place Is Not Correct (Bernie Signs) In North Seattle

I don't see a lot of Bernie yard signs. Maybe 15 or so total, and I drive around some. I just haven't seen a single Hillary yard sign. 4 or 5 Trump bumper stickers. Not been able to give them a hard time. I would if there is an opportunity.

If I saw someone with a Trump bumper sticker I would probably say something like this: "So the bigger the asshole the better"? How about "How's that birther crap working out for The Donald"? I really don't treat Republicans like they are human beings. I f-ing hate them. Buncha traitors if you ask me.

[ismnotwasm]

65. I'm in Southwest Seattle close to White center

It's multi-ethnic and multicultural to the point if you are white, you break even in population, rather than dominate it. But even in West Seattle proper where I would expect a ton of Bernie support, I just don't see much. Doesn't mean it's not there. It's just not that visible.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

54. In Iowa, the most common bumpersticker I see (either party) is Ben Carson

Everyone thinks the polls are BS when their candidate isn't winning.

[INdemo]

57. 2008? Again

For Hillary its 2008 all over again !!

[PoliticalMalcontent]

59. Hello neighbor!

Hellllllo from across the Sound!

I hear your sentiments and agree. I've seen quite a few Bernie bumper stickers, and one yard sign a couple of months back. I've seen maybe two Hillary bumper stickers. One supported her, the other said, "Hillary lied, people died." Anecdotally the grassroots campaign is alive and well. Clinton supporters don't seem nearly as enthusiastic.

Which reminds me... I've yet to grab any sort of bumper stickers/decals for my car.

Take care!

[Yallow]

62. Yeah, I Forgot - I Didn't Count Negative Hillary Bumper Stickers

Those far outnumber the Pro-Hillary ones.

I usually don't count what nut jobs think anyway.

Anyone that puts and Anti-Hillary bumper sticker on their Pickup is probably a dimwit anyway.

[PoliticalMalcontent]

66. Agreed. n/t

[CarrieLynne]

60. IKR! I'm also in seattle and..

I see bernie everywhere (i got a honk for bernie sticker on my car n ppl honk at me )

I see ONE trump sticker ever morning on a older blue minivan

I've seen a couple H's but few and far between....but bernie is everywhere

[Yallow]

61. Like I Said

I just noticed all the Bernie bumper stickers.

I can't see how Hillary can be so far ahead in the polls, and no one I know supports her over Bernie.

Something smells fishy.

[bigwillq]

63. I've seen very little of any candidate.

I live in CT.

[NanceGreggs]

67. This is by far ...

... the most entertaining conspiracy theory I've seen on DU - and this primary season has given birth to dozens of 'em, all worthy of yuks. But this one is truly outstanding.

The "polls are pure bullshit", and the overwhelming evidence in that regard is yard signs and bumper stickers, and the author's statement that "every single person" he knows supports Bernie.

Wow. It's hard to refute hard evidence like that.

[Yallow]

68. If Hillary Is So Far Ahead Where Are The Bumper Stickers - Passion - Supporters

Something stinks.

Something along with the practical media blackout of Sander's message.

[NanceGreggs]

69. "Bumper stickers are people, my friend."

[Betty Karlson]

70. Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Yeah, I went there. I actually quoted Stephen Colbert.