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Leftyforever

(317 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 10:47 PM Dec 2015

This is a serious policy question... Is hrc a neocon ?... please support your answers..

Quick definition

Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and promotion of American national interest in international affairs, including by means of military force, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism

Source: Wikipedia... just a slice of the definition...more can be found at ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
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This is a serious policy question... Is hrc a neocon ?... please support your answers.. (Original Post) Leftyforever Dec 2015 OP
How about a definition redstateblues Dec 2015 #1
Google it, dude. Scootaloo Dec 2015 #2
I updated the OP to include a snip it of the definition Leftyforever Dec 2015 #4
A definition that nicely steps around Neocon biases in the middle east HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #24
Oh, oh.... NorthCarolina Dec 2015 #3
hahah promotion of democracy...hahaha, thanks for the laugh wiki hibbing Dec 2015 #5
I associate the term w Unilateral Intervention, without coalition building/participation of the U.N. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #6
When the chips were down, she enthusiatically.... Armstead Dec 2015 #7
How cute. A Hillary Clinton attack post framed in a question by a Sanders supporter. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #8
it's what one expects. do u suppose bernie is anything like his fans on DU? nt msongs Dec 2015 #11
It isn't as nefarious as you are making it... I am a Bernie supporter, I am a Progressive, I am a Leftyforever Dec 2015 #15
I didn't before Jeff Weaver came out swinging and threatening a lawsuit against the DNC BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #25
Isn't it special? leftofcool Dec 2015 #17
She voted for the Iraq war. onecaliberal Dec 2015 #9
Pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-Keystone XL, pro-H1B Visas, pro-TPP, pro death penalty. Scuba Dec 2015 #10
That doesn't sound like a Progressive...??? Leftyforever Dec 2015 #16
+1 CharlotteVale Dec 2015 #18
Sometimes I feel like she is running for the President of Israel. Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #12
I think she is all about the promotion of Hillary. Live and Learn Dec 2015 #13
She's a crazy warmonger for wanting to take out Assad jfern Dec 2015 #14
You could have quit after four words. Scuba Dec 2015 #19
Taking out Assad is the dream of Al Qaeda and ISIS jfern Dec 2015 #20
She works for the MIC ... Scuba Dec 2015 #21
Will you vote for her if she's the nominee? grossproffit Dec 2015 #22
What business is it of yours? Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #23
Weren't you the one who said if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, you'll stay home and bake waffles? BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #27
See #23 Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #39
Your DU posts are easily looked up, and yes, you're the Waffle-DUer who stayed home BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #41
Oh, I forgot to add...Merry Christmas to you, too. BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #42
Also I never said I would "Bake" waffles. Katashi_itto Dec 2015 #40
Exactly.. haikugal Dec 2015 #31
I think this is a dumb question on a discussion board that is so divided liberal N proud Dec 2015 #26
But it helps with the Google! That's what these OPs are geared to do - smear Hillary Clinton BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #29
If you can't win on policy... liberal N proud Dec 2015 #30
Your side would never resort to that right? haikugal Dec 2015 #32
Only in defense. Or do you begrudge us that right as well? BlueCaliDem Dec 2015 #35
I begrudge you nothing. You feeling fragile today? haikugal Dec 2015 #36
It is impossible to get an unbiased answer on this board at this point in time liberal N proud Dec 2015 #37
grum grum grum... I've never seen unbiased... ever... anywhere... Leftyforever Dec 2015 #44
Well to say the question is dumb because people will disagree and hopefully state their reasoning... Leftyforever Dec 2015 #43
Neo-liberal rather, I'd say. Although there is a lot of overlap between Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #28
I'll second that... nt haikugal Dec 2015 #34
Serious question.... daleanime Dec 2015 #33
. Motown_Johnny Dec 2015 #38

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
24. A definition that nicely steps around Neocon biases in the middle east
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:15 AM
Dec 2015

I'm not at all sure this topic can be very deeply explored without invoking Israeil foreign policy and old NeoCon links there. Bringing democracy to the ME is a nice cover story, but it's a cover story. The rules greatly limit such general discussion

It's clear that the democratic candidates for the presidential nomination, all support action against Assad/Syria that has long been on the NeoCon hit list. Sanders does so with seeming less enthusiasm than Clinton.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
6. I associate the term w Unilateral Intervention, without coalition building/participation of the U.N.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:07 PM
Dec 2015

I think that wiki article is a pretty garbled mess, btw.

Both Sanders and HRC have emphasized coalition building when speaking about ISIL, so neither of them are proposing neo-con solutions. MOM as well. That's how Democrats in general approach things.

On the otherhand Republicans don't give a shit about the UN or international coalitions.

I am sure others will disagree with me, but that's fine.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
7. When the chips were down, she enthusiatically....
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:19 PM
Dec 2015

Supported the biggest neoconservative fuckup in the nation's history, the unnecessary invasion of Iraq.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
8. How cute. A Hillary Clinton attack post framed in a question by a Sanders supporter.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:24 PM
Dec 2015

You're not transparent.

 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
15. It isn't as nefarious as you are making it... I am a Bernie supporter, I am a Progressive, I am a
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:10 AM
Dec 2015

liberal... As a Democrat who has been engaged in politics (paying attention more than most) I sometimes have a hard time identifying the difference between my parties main stream foreign policy and the neocon mantra... if hrc beats Bernie ( which I think might not happen) To vote for her....I need to know that hrc won't follow the same middle of the road bomb them first diplomacy.. so please.. Is she a neocon? please support your answer.. thank you & happy holidays

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
25. I didn't before Jeff Weaver came out swinging and threatening a lawsuit against the DNC
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:39 PM
Dec 2015

when the Sanders campaign was at fault. But I do now.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. Pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-Keystone XL, pro-H1B Visas, pro-TPP, pro death penalty.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:40 PM
Dec 2015

Yeah, she's a neo-con.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
13. I think she is all about the promotion of Hillary.
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:12 AM
Dec 2015

If she thinks people want a war, I think she will happily go along to promote herself. In fact, I think that has already proven to be the case.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
14. She's a crazy warmonger for wanting to take out Assad
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 02:25 AM
Dec 2015

When most of the rest of the country is controlled by ISIS or Al Qaeda

jfern

(5,204 posts)
20. Taking out Assad is the dream of Al Qaeda and ISIS
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:31 AM
Dec 2015

Why does she want to play into their hands?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
21. She works for the MIC ...
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 06:48 AM
Dec 2015

According to opensecrets Hillary is the #1 Presidential candidate in defense industry donations ...

http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=D&cycle=2016&recipdetail=P&mem=N&sortorder=U

Presidential Candidates
Rank Candidate Amount
1 Clinton, Hillary (D) $94,951
2 Cruz, Ted (R) $82,582
3 Bush, Jeb (R) $45,450
4 Graham, Lindsey (R) $36,275
5 Paul, Rand (R) $30,880
6 Sanders, Bernie (D) $28,500
7 Carson, Ben (R) $24,206
8 Fiorina, Carly (R) $19,665
9 O'Malley, Martin (D) $16,500
10 Rubio, Marco (R) $14,761
11 Santorum, Rick (R) $8,200
12 Christie, Chris (R) $5,900

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
27. Weren't you the one who said if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, you'll stay home and bake waffles?
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:41 PM
Dec 2015

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
41. Your DU posts are easily looked up, and yes, you're the Waffle-DUer who stayed home
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:13 PM
Dec 2015

having waffles when Mary Landrieu faced a run-off for her Senate seat. She had one less vote because of you, and it helped that Republican "Caligula but harmless pol", Cassidy - a move you appeared to be proud of, too. Although you edited your post to remove that part, thanks to SidDithers, it's preserved:

As someone who lives in New Orleans I must say I enjoyed staying home Sat. The waffles were great. Figure its practice for 2016. I am curious how far down the rabbit hole American voters take us now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5923373


And you've eluded as much that if Hillary is the nominee, it'll be waffles again.
"If Hillary is the Nominee. Yes Waffles."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6591738

With fair-weather Dem voters like you, Republicans will always hold positions of power. The sad thing is? You don't even see you're actually helping them.

Oh, and by the way? It IS my business since you've been posting all over DU what you'll do if your candidate fails (as he will) to win the Democratic Party nom. I know you've been far more cautious lately since Skinner has written that openly advocating to not vote for the Democratic nominee is grounds for PPR, as the Bugman and Goldenboy have been made to understand.

liberal N proud

(61,194 posts)
26. I think this is a dumb question on a discussion board that is so divided
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:41 PM
Dec 2015

You know who will say yes and who will say no and the support will only be rhetoric.

but carry on with the smear campaign.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
29. But it helps with the Google! That's what these OPs are geared to do - smear Hillary Clinton
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:42 PM
Dec 2015

on the Google, because the OP is a Sanders supporter...and it's showing.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
35. Only in defense. Or do you begrudge us that right as well?
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:50 PM
Dec 2015

I thought Sanders supporters were all for equal rights.

liberal N proud

(61,194 posts)
37. It is impossible to get an unbiased answer on this board at this point in time
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:54 PM
Dec 2015

Users are too biased and one side more so.

You can ask the question all you want, but the responses on this thread are worthless as two teats on a boar.

 

Leftyforever

(317 posts)
43. Well to say the question is dumb because people will disagree and hopefully state their reasoning...
Wed Dec 23, 2015, 03:46 AM
Dec 2015

is dumb lol happy holidays.... discuss the facts it's enlightening

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
28. Neo-liberal rather, I'd say. Although there is a lot of overlap between
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 01:41 PM
Dec 2015

neo-conservative and neo-liberal.

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