2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn 2006, Bernie Sanders Voted In Support Of An Immigration Conspiracy Theory
A few months before Democrats swept the 2006 elections, an outcry raged in the fringier corners of the immigration debate. Treasonous American officials were tipping off the Mexican government about the whereabouts of Minutemen patrols, the argument went, making it impossible for the private army bent on preventing undocumented immigrants from crossing the border to do their jobs.
The outcry made it to Congress, where Georgia Rep. Jack Kingston, a Republican, introduced an amendment clearly directed at the Minutemen story. The amendment barred the Department of Homeland Security from providing a foreign government information relating to the activities of an organized volunteer civilian action group, operating in the State of California, Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona.
Kingstons amendment overwhelmingly passed the Republican-controlled Congress, including the votes of 76 Democrats, most of them from the partys then-strong Blue Dog conservative wing. Another person voted for the measure, too: Rep. Bernie Sanders, an independent in the midst of the campaign that would send him the U.S. Senate.
The Minutemen have long since faded from the the national conversation and from memory in an interview with BuzzFeed News, Kingston had to dig deep to remember the specifics of the vote, and other prominent Republican Minuteman supporters of the time didnt recall it at all but fears that the federal government is undermining efforts by local authorities to fight illegal immigration continue.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/in-2006-bernie-sanders-voted-in-support-of-an-immigration-co#.kld4YpWmw
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)But that's all good now right?
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)its almost as if HRC supporters are have run out of stories so its rinse and repeat
SunSeeker
(51,522 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)I've never heard of reuseable trial balloons before, but that's obviously what we have here.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)just to even up the media coverage and actually turn the debate to issues not style. I certainly never missed her or her Bernie will raise your taxes theme when she knows full well that Bernie plans to reduce our cost of living including taxes.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I swear, they should all sign up Green, they know how to recycle! (not meaning to insult any true greens, just a joke)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Tuesday that unaccompanied minors who crossed the border illegally in a massive influx over recent months "should be sent back" to their native countries, but also that they should be reunited with their families -- which sometimes requires them to stay in the United States.
"They should be sent back as soon as it can be determined who responsible adults in their families are, because there are concerns about whether all of them should be sent back," the potential 2016 presidential candidate said in an interview with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "But I think all of them who can be should be reunited with their families."
Clinton's answer mirrored the Obama administration's tough position on how to deal with unaccompanied minors, who are entering the country through the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas at rates some have called a "humanitarian crisis." Those minors are put into deportation proceedings by the Department of Homeland Security, but then are transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services. That department looks for family members in the United States who can care for the children, although that does not mean they won't be deported later.
But faced with reports of misperceptions in Central America that minors have a free pass to stay if they make it to the United States, the administration is playing damage control, repeatedly urging parents not to send their children. Clinton made the same point.
"We have to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay," she said. "So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/hillary-clinton-immigration_n_5507630.html
Q: None of the 9/11 terrorists entered the US through the Mexican border. Why build a wall there in the name of national security? You voted in favor of the border wall. Why on the Mexican border and not on the Canadian border?
A: I do favor much more border patrolling and much more technology on both of our borders, and in certain areas, even a physical barrier, because I think weve got to secure our borders. That has to be part of comprehensive immigration reform. I have championed comprehensive immigration reform, and it includes starting with securing our borders in order to give people the support they need to come over and support us when it comes to having a pathway to legalization. We all know that this has become a contentious political issue. We want to work in a bipartisan way to have comprehensive reform--employer verification, more help for local communities so that they can pay for schooling and hospital and other expenses that they have to bear because of the immigration crisis.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate on Univision in Spanish , Sep 9, 2007
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Hillary_Clinton_Immigration.htm
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)is a hypocrite. She states in plain terms what she thinks people coming into the country are. There is NO room for interpretation
Of course we'll here the she's evolved excuse. Well she sure has evolved on a lot of issues hasn't she?
SunSeeker
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)SunSeeker
(51,522 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)When your candidate wants to send migrant children back to their country of origin you have to try to make the other guy look bad.
Imo they don't really care about the issue, they're just playing games and trying to score points.
More of the same from those who support the conservative in the race.
Today it's BERNIE HATES IMMIGRANTS, tomorrow's recycled meme will be BERMIE'S A GUNS NUT!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)and not improving
Cha
(296,878 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sharing.
bl968
(360 posts)Not judging the fact that it was about the Minutemen. But would you want the U.S. Government reporting the location and whereabouts of Sierra Club Activists to Canadian officials. If it's not okay with them, it's not okay when done to conservative groups either. That being said there is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting such an amendment. If they weren't doing it then there was no harm prohibiting it, and if they were it would be highly suspect.
Since you are posting things back to 2006 I assume it's ok to target Hillary during the same time frames.
"When Honduran military forces allied with rightist lawmakers ousted democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya in 2009, then-Secretary of State Clinton sided with the armed forces and fought global pressure to reinstate him." - Institute for Policy Studies
What's worse Sanders vote, or Hillary supporting a right wing opposition which conspired with the military to depose a democratically elected president in Honduras.
Hillary Clinton was probably the most important actor in supporting the coup in Honduras. In part, perhaps, one would assume because one of her best friends from law school, Lanny Davis, who had actually run her campaign for a while, her presidential campaign against Obama, was hired immediately following the coup by the most powerful business group in the country, that supported the coup, as the representative for the Micheletti coup government in Washington.
In that capacity he was able to organize hearings in Congress through his friend, Eliot Engel, who at the time was the head of the congressional committee for Western Hemisphere Affairs, and he was able to directly have Hillary Clintons ear. And, what that meant was that whereas the initial signals from the White House, from Obama were that yes indeed this was a coup and that this was illegal, and that the coup administration wouldnt be recognized.
Hillary Clinton was able to veto that position, in effect, and alongside her friend, Lanny Davis, and the State Department took a couple of months to even admit that a coup had happened. But they made this, theretofore unknown differentiation saying that this had not been a military coup, it had just been a regular coup. Its a difference that didnt make much sense. The military, in effect, had carried out the coup.
Kinda like saying, "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
Clinton can't win an election for president. She is not honest or trustworthy and she's got a long list of dirt that will be ceaselessly shoveled on her in a never-ending stream.
I will take Sanders vote over Secretary Clinton actions any day of the week.