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DNC Rips Off Sanders: Wasserman Schultz is Untrustworthy and Must GoDemocrats need a chair who doesn't favor candidates, fix the nomination and alienate voters
By Brent Budowsky Observer
12/22/15 9:27am

U.S. Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL 23rd District) and chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) (Photo: Andrew Burton/Getty Images)
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Democrats should replace Debbie Wasserman Schultz as chair of the Democratic National Committee because she has used the DNC to help Hillary Clintons campaign for president, hurt Bernie Sanders campaign for president, and insulted the liberal wing of the party by trying to prevent large numbers of voters from watching the Democratic presidential debates.
Ms. Wasserman Schultz is doing something no party chair should do, which is taking sides in a presidential campaign, and she is not doing what every party chair should do, which is building the party by registering voters and strengthening the Democratic grassroots organization in ways that help all candidates for president, Congress and governors.
Any high school student taking civics could figure out Ms. Wasserman Schultz and the DNC organized the presidential debates in ways that were deliberately designed to minimize the national audience and thereby help Ms. Clinton defeat any progressive insurgent candidate.
When Ms. Wasserman Schultz and other DNC spokespersons state that the times for the debates were decided long ago and therefore were not aimed to influence the Clinton-Sanders contest they are being disingenuous and dishonest. It was known that Ms. Clinton would be the frontrunner and favored candidate of the Democratic establishment, and that she would almost certainly be challenged by a more progressive populist candidate such as Mr. Sanders or Senator Elizabeth Warren.
The low rated Democratic debate last Saturday was only the latest example of a deliberate DNC strategy to prevent any progressive populist candidate from receiving the large national audience that a debate should bring. How many presidential primary debates have ever occurred on a Saturday night when television audiences are so low? How many national parties have ever gone to such great lengths to limit the total number of debates?
Note that the next Democratic debate, which will be the final debate before the Iowa caucus, will occur on January 17Sunday night of the three day weekend of Martin Luther Kings birthday and also on day of a major AFC football playoff game. If Ms. Wasserman Schultz and the DNC could have gotten away with scheduling a debate at 2 a.m. on Christmas Eve they probably would have tried.
The corruption of the Democratic debate process by the DNC hurts Democrats in three different ways:
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More: http://observer.com/2015/12/dncs-glaring-favoritism-wasserman-schultz-is-untrustworthy-and-must-go/
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... seats. Yet some here are still defending her. Which side are they on?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)on the Street of Easily Negotiable Virtue.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Send all that "you gotta support the D" crapola to Debbie DINO.
cannabis_flower
(3,932 posts)Response to cannabis_flower (Reply #22)
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InAbLuEsTaTe
(25,518 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)Problem is Hillary needed a good buddy in this position and to hell with the rest of it.

Matariki
(18,775 posts)by all rights, she's doing a 'hell of a job'
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Gothmog
(179,869 posts)If the Clinton campaign had done this to Sanders, the Sanders supporters would be going nuts
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)that they drop rather than try to polish that particular turd?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)I think the people who want to ignore or minimize the damages caused by DWS are going to continue 'polishing that particular turd' until the cows come home.
HRC and her supporters would do well to realize that not ONLY has Bernie Sanders awakened and energized many of the Hoi Polloi, he has ALSO given us HOPE--which serves to highlight how broken and co-opted is our political system. Many, many people are posting herein, and in other venues, that they plan to write in Bernie's name if he isn't our nominee. Many, many people are asserting that they "will not vote for the lesser of two evils." HRC (and DWS) should be aware that -- even if HRC wins the nomination -- quite a few people have asserted that they are NOT voting for her. This situation should be critical to the HRC campaign.
(And, please, alert-prone DUers: note that I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE NOT VOTE FOR OUR DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!)
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)he's waking a sleeping giant, and that's the source of their fear...
tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)You don't have to. The DNC and Clinton are doing it and have been doing it and will continue to do it.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)not the only ones to notice.
(I perceive this as further evidence of that one's tendency towards deceit, particularly when it serves as a means to an end.)
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)The data stolen by the Sanders campaign was data that could really be used by the Sanders campaign to gain an advantage over the Clinton campaign. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/index.html
What was accessed
Two senior Democrats familiar with the program and the investigation told CNN that the Sanders campaign accessed turnout projections for Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary, a key piece of strategy the Clinton campaign has been working on with modeling and analytics.
The Sanders team, which consisted of four people, ran multiple searches in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina and about 10 March states, including Florida and Colorado. In Iowa and New Hampshire, the Clinton campaign has ranked voters on a scale of 1-100 for turnout, enthusiasm and support, the senior Democrats said. The Sanders campaign ran two searches: "Show me all the Clinton people rated higher than 60" and "Show me all the people rated less than 30." This would be a key way of knowing who Sanders should target in the final weeks before voting: Ignore those above 60, while focus on those below 30, because they are looking for a Clinton alternative and might be open to Sanders.
The investigation into what information was lifted should only take a few days as there are audit logs and trails of the activity, which took place beginning around 10:40 a.m. and lasting for about 40 minutes, the senior Democrats said.
They added that the Clinton campaign views this as a big deal but will not say so publicly because it will fan the flames of liberal groups trying to fight with the DNC.
In a statement released Friday afternoon, the Clinton campaign called for the Sanders campaign and the DNC to "work expeditiously to ensure that our data is not in the Sanders campaign's account and that the Sanders campaign only have access to their own data."
Here is a link to the actual data logs http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/12/18/merged_document.pdf
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)klook
(13,600 posts)Thanks.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)No one claimed that voter files were exported but the searches and information stolen by the Sanders campaign dealth with sensitive data about strategy and voter targeting. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019
Clintons top strategist and pollster-in-chief, Joel Benenson, who oversaw two successful Obama campaign operations that set records for maximizing core-voter turnout, says his staff is eagerly awaiting the results of a third-party audit into the hack of the Democratic National Committee-housed lists. The DNC said it is just beginning the process of securing an independent audit by a data security firm.
The Clinton campaign also wants to learn basic details of the narrative like why, for instance, Sanders campaign manager didnt tell his candidate when he learned of the breach last Wednesday; Sanders was only looped in a day later, after DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz called him personally with the news. Jeff Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager, told POLITICO on Saturday he withheld the information from Sanders because he at first believed the breach was a staff-level concern that could be dealt with in-house. My field director informed me, he recalled. I said, Let everyone know that no one is to do anything with the Clinton data.' It was not clear immediately there was any problem on our side.
On Saturday, it was still not clear to the Clinton campaign how much damage had been done. "I don't think any of us will know until this audit is completed how serious this all is, Benenson said after the debate at Saint Anselm College adding that the value of the information is less about the specific voters being targeted than hints about how Clintons campaign plans to deploy its resources.
All of [the data] is extremely valuable; it is work produced by tens of thousands of volunteers," Benenson said, adding that "it is part of a road map to how we are running and strategizing in our campaign and how we get to the totals we need to win in Iowa and New Hampshire, especially, his voice rising with exasperation.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019#ixzz3v593pugl
The article cited does not help your cliam.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)That turd has lost its sheen. Time for a new shiney object.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Gothmog
(179,869 posts)The Texas Democratic Party IT person and I discussed the VAN a while back and it was interesting to see that the VAN has similar software as is used in electronic data rooms. When you sell a company you put all relevant documents into an electronic data room for people to access and copy the documents. The software tracks who and when accesses each document in the data room. According to the TDP, the VAN has similar features and so the system administrator can tell which files are access and what was done to the file. The logs show that the Sanders people access and attempted to export a number of files http://time.com/4155185/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-data/
According to data reviewed by TIME, the Sanders campaign appears to have obtained files with lists of voters that the Clinton campaign had cultivated in 10 early states including Iowa and New Hampshire.
Beyond simply reviewing the data, the logs show the Sanders staffers took deliberate steps to harvest and store the information. According to the logs, the Sanders staff created from scratch no fewer than 24 listsconsisting entirely of data pulled down from the Clinton campaigns databaseand saved them to their personal folders.
The logs show the Sanders campaign accessed the Clinton data for nearly one hour beginning around 10:40 p.m. Wednesday. The Sanders staffers were apparently able to view unique voter information along with accompanying information about how likely the voters were to vote for the various candidates, crucial information that the Clinton campaign has likely spent millions of dollars to collect.
The Clinton campaign called for a clear accounting of the breach
frylock
(34,825 posts)In fact, they have ties to the Clintons. You'll have to excuse me if I don't take their word at face value. Is there a reason that you would be against a comprehensive investigation from an independent third party?
randome
(34,845 posts)Most vendors have, I would guess. To say that NGP Van is biased disregards that all consulting firms work for any and all clients. I bet it would be impossible to find a vendor that had no previous ties to anyone associated with the Democratic party.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)I'm sure they could find someone who wasn't on Clinton's IT team in 2008.
randome
(34,845 posts)Software contracts are, by their nature, non-political. No vendor is going to risk losing its reputation by putting in a 'fix' for one side over another. There is nothing to be gained and everything to lose.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)Don't mean Anything when so much corrupt money is sloshing around for anyone willing to play the game. Reputation be damned if one can be set for life. Nothing new though.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Thus there is a conflict of interest, as always when the DNC is involved.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)We don't know what Hillary's campaign was doing during this time.
For example, had they known that the databases would be merged, would appear as one database at the time, they could have run a search on the entire database then after the breach was discovered, run the same queries on the database that was only Hillary's. The data that did not appear in the just Hillary's database searches would have belonged to Bernie.
So this needs a real investigation.
I'd like to know whether and what searches Hillary's campaign made during the relevant time.
The databases were merged. The proprietary information for each campaign appeared as part of the other's database I should think.
The NGP Van website blog on security says that theperiod of the bug was brief and that nothing was exported. Is someone claiming that is untrue?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)
On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.
Now maybe NGP Van, the vendor involved, does not know what happened at its own database and website. But it clearly states that the Sanders campaign could not save or act on any of the information it viewed for a short time due to the vendor, NGP Van's failure to secure the databases and maintain the firewall between them.
Please, Hillary fans, please inform yourselves about what really happened. Check with the vendor that the DNC chose to maintain the firewall and the databases.
This event was not the fault of the Sanders campaign. The Sanders campaign did not deliberately or with malice enter Hillary's database.
NGP Van "release[d] VAN code . . . that contained a bug." That's what NGP Van says on its website. Until it changes its message on its website, that is what happened. Hillary suffered utterly no damage from this.
There were too many names and too much information for anyone to remember. They viewed lists. NGP Van says that Bernie's people could search and view Hillary's information "but not export or save or act on" it.
Please end the hysterical exaggerations about what happened.
Let's have an independent, and thorough investigation and let the chips fall where they may. If the vendor is wrong and something happened that they do not admit to, then we need to get that corrected. What happened should not be swept under the rug.
Terrible aspersions have been cast upon the Bernie campaign. A thorough investigation will clarify what really did happen and determine whether breaches due to bugs in NGP Van or other vendors' releases happened that have not been revealed.
Bernie is a candidate of integrity. Even if bad things are discovered about his campaign, he owns up to them and apologizes. We shall see what else has happened.
Also, we need to know whether the DNC has favored or disfavored candidates so that we can repair our primary process and make it one that ALL OF US, progressives and conservatives alike can trust.
Right now, the trust between Bernie supporters and the DNC is gone. A thorough investigation of the DNC's handling of the primary -- the planning of the debates, the organization of the databases and choices of vendors -- needs to be discussed and reviewed openly.
Openness is one of the keys to integrity. Right now, the Debbie Wasserman DNC has lost the confidence of many Democrats in its ability to manage a campaign with integrity.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)No one claimed that voter files were exported but the searches and information stolen by the Sanders campaign dealth with sensitive data about strategy and voter targeting. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019
Clintons top strategist and pollster-in-chief, Joel Benenson, who oversaw two successful Obama campaign operations that set records for maximizing core-voter turnout, says his staff is eagerly awaiting the results of a third-party audit into the hack of the Democratic National Committee-housed lists. The DNC said it is just beginning the process of securing an independent audit by a data security firm.
The Clinton campaign also wants to learn basic details of the narrative like why, for instance, Sanders campaign manager didnt tell his candidate when he learned of the breach last Wednesday; Sanders was only looped in a day later, after DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz called him personally with the news. Jeff Weaver, Sanders' campaign manager, told POLITICO on Saturday he withheld the information from Sanders because he at first believed the breach was a staff-level concern that could be dealt with in-house. My field director informed me, he recalled. I said, Let everyone know that no one is to do anything with the Clinton data.' It was not clear immediately there was any problem on our side.
On Saturday, it was still not clear to the Clinton campaign how much damage had been done. "I don't think any of us will know until this audit is completed how serious this all is, Benenson said after the debate at Saint Anselm College adding that the value of the information is less about the specific voters being targeted than hints about how Clintons campaign plans to deploy its resources.
All of [the data] is extremely valuable; it is work produced by tens of thousands of volunteers," Benenson said, adding that "it is part of a road map to how we are running and strategizing in our campaign and how we get to the totals we need to win in Iowa and New Hampshire, especially, his voice rising with exasperation.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019#ixzz3v593pugl
The article cited does not help your cliam.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)They were all specifically targeting Hillary lists. If you wanted that information and wanted to be sneaky about it you would do a search for all the data of that sort and then for Bernie data of that kind and then compare the two lists.
Nothing was downloaded or saved. They were just searches. That is what I understand from the vendor's statement.
The searches themselves were useful only for identifying that Hillary's information was on the website and that it was information that was important, strategic, etc.
The Bernie campaign had reported an earlier breach allegedly in October according to Weaver.
Hillary has acted like an overly emotional, hysterical woman. As a woman who has worked in a man's world, I am shocked at the Hillary campaign's reaction. It is embarrassing to me. The first thing a woman has to be is poised and composed if she wants to deal with men. I don't know how Hillary has gotten as far as she has.
As a woman, I am embarrassed for Hillary.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)The Sanders campaign stole proprietary information and the claim about the October breach is also bogus in that this was a different vendor.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)In fact it can be said that the Hillary data intruded into the Sanders data and was merged with the Sanders data. It all depends on your point of view.
We need a truly independent investigation, an investigation team with no ties to either campaign.
The queries as I saw them specifically identified that the searches were made on Hillary's data.
They were obviously intended to identify that Hillary's data was there and to identify what parts of Hillary's data were there.
Sanders' staff must have been shocked when they first realized that the database had been released as a single database and that the firewall was down.
If they had wanted to cheat, they would have done a search of Sanders' own data and then a search of the entire database and then compared the two.
The website manager NGP Van said nothing was exported.
I hope that we get a truly independent investigation of this.
If Hillary believes she has suffered from this event, she needs to address her complaint to the vendor, NGP Van.
The vendor NGP Van I strongly suspect had the duty to protect the privacy of the proprietary information of each of its clients. That is not the duty of either of the campaigns.
A provision to that effect should have been included in the DNC's contract with NGP Van.
That's why we have contracts -- to insure that the duties of the parties to an agreement can clearly identify which party had which duty if someone breaches.
I would be very, very surprised if Bernie's campaign was required to protect Hillary''s database.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Hey, it has as much relevance to the OP as your post does.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)getting calls from the Clinton campaign asking for money?
Gee, I really wonder where they got that list of names from.
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)I get e-mails and regular mail from a ton of different groups.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)No one claimed that voter files were exported but the searches and information stolen by the Sanders campaign dealth with sensitive data about strategy and voter targeting. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-breach-217019
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Plus as far as I understand the breech, the HRC camp may have had access. Wasserman's nephew works for the vendor and is the only one on their site with no bio. Kinda fishy, dontcha think!
Gothmog
(179,869 posts)Here are some facts for the Sanders supporters to ignore or not be able to understand http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/
"We didn't go out and take" information from the Hillary Clinton campaign.
Bernie Sanders on Sunday, December 20th, 2015 in an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press".
.....But in an interview the next day on NBCs Meet the Press, host Chuck Todd pressed Sanders on exactly what happened when a software glitch allowed his people to see some of the Clinton data. The system is run by the Democratic National Committee, and the DNC had temporarily blocked the Sanders campaign from using its valuable voter information.
"As a result of a breach caused by the DNC vendor, not by us, information came into our campaign about the Clinton campaign," Sanders said Dec. 20, 2015.
"Magically," asked Todd?
"We didn't go out and take it," Sanders replied.
Really? In this fact-check, well explore whether the Sanders campaign staff didnt "go out and take" information from the Clinton campaign......
Thanks to a leak of the activity logs on the NGP VAN system, we have some idea. The Twitter user Iowa Starting Line posted them and you can see those logs here. No one has questioned their authenticity. Heres one example:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_jK82EMXBfkYtoQ0iJKshtsrxkVhEPtoHtLunkk6XnB1JzMXDXWSNqyXGOK6l4vJ4-We23G4ziOmHwD18SA5emNm63Wuft1aEGugG3Gk5mGf7T-wDLzfs5z3S8uFbU4DMYP8_LVG
These logs show Sanders people spent a bit under two hours in the data. During that time, they called up information from about a dozen states. They queried the database for the number of voters who met certain criteria. The "Turnout" variable shows on a scale of 1 to 100 how likely a person is to vote. A voter with a high "Priority" score would be someone the campaign will make every effort to contact.....
Our ruling
Sanders said that his campaign did not go out and take information from the Clinton campaign. From all accounts, it is true that the Sanders campaign did not attempt to break into the voter data of a rival campaign. The Sanders people stumbled upon a glitch.
But rather than reporting the glitch immediately, they probed the database for a bit under two hours. At some point, the staff produced a page of information that at the very least would show the count of certain voters.
Experts familiar with the Democratic voter data base say that the Sanders campaign would have gleaned valuable information. At the end of the day, they knew some things about the Clinton campaign that they hadnt known before, even if they didnt seek to crack into the Clinton data.
We rate Sanders claim that the campaign didnt "go out and take" information as Mostly False.
The facts show that the Sanders campaign did take proprietary information.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Your database administration credentials must be excellent.
Everyone from Hillary fans to the Washington Post has provided erroneous information about what happened.
NGP Van is the vendor that manages the database in question.
These are the facts as NGP Van presents them. I cannot quote the entire statement, so please go to their website and read their explanation.
First, Bernie did not break into Hillary's database. The combined, complete database that included SOME of Hillary's data was provided to the Sanders campaign due to a "bug" in the release of the information, a bug due to NGP Van's activities.
Per NGP Van:
On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.
The breach was brief:
Again, this bug was a brief isolated issue, and we are not aware of any previous reports of such data being inappropriately available. We look forward to supporting all our Democratic clients, and in particular apologize to the DNC, Clinton and Sanders campaigns for our bug Wednesday.
840high
(17,196 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Gothmog
(179,869 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)weknowvino2
(62 posts)Just received this email:
Welcome, and thank you for being a member of Hillary for America.
I cant tell you how much it means to me to know that youre with us. With your support, were going to grow this organization even faster and even smarter -- that means building new tools to communicate with supporters and hiring organizers who will knock on doors and make phone calls to earn each and every Americans vote.
Now will you chip in $1 or more to support this work?
This campaign isnt about me. Its about everyday Americans -- hard workers, problem solvers, and goal-reachers. Americans deserve a raise, and an economy that puts people first.
You need someone willing to fight for you. I want to be that fighter.
This team is growing every single day, and Im thrilled for each and every American who joins our campaign. Together, we can work toward the America that we believe in -- where everyone has the opportunity to get ahead and stay ahead.
Again, I want to thank you for your support. Taking this campaign all the way -- and defending ourselves against baseless attacks -- is going to mean everyone chipping in what they can, when they can. If youre with me, will you donate $1 right now and become an official donor to this campaign?
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/donate/
Youll hear from the campaign again soon, so keep an eye out for important updates. And thank you again. Im so glad that youre here.
Hillary
I've got NEWS for you Hill: I don't know how you got my email address, but I DO NOT SUPPORT YOU!
Never have, Never will. I don't like you!
According to vendor, this is entirely false. The 2nd part is why there's a lawsuit. Face it. Sanders is smarter, than Clinton and isn't neck deep in acquiring power at all costs for the sake of having power.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)A campaign staffer acted inappropriately and was fired. His three underlings are under internal investigation and two have been suspended.
Our candidate acted appropriately and ethically, even if members of his staff did not. I'm proud of him.
In spite of her protests to the contrary, DWS has used the DNC as an extension of the Hillary for President campaign. She apparently does this by taking action without consulting her co-chairs. That is neither appropriate nor ethical, and made all the worse by her acting on her own.
DWS must go.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.
The Sanders campaign did not hack Hillary's information. They had a short window in which they applied searches that informed them that the Hillary information was mixed in with that of Sanders.
Please stop the hysteria.
I am a woman, but the hysteria of the Clinton campaign, their apparent (at least according to NPG Van, the vendor) exaggerations about what happened, make Clinton herself look unprofessional and emotionally unfit to govern.
As a woman, I am offended that the Clinton campaign and Debbie Wasserman's DNC so quickly and unwisely lost their cool and over-reacted to what the vendor for the databases, NPG Van says was a brief incident in which nothing of significance happened.
The vendor was hired by the DNC. So if they are unaware or less than truthful about what happened, that too looks very bad for the DNC.
We should have a thorough, objective, independent investigation of the DNC's relationship to this event, to its vendors and its handling of the entire primary campaign.
If Hillary does not want such an investigation, if she fears such an investigation, it suggests that there may actually be a problem.
I certainly hope not.
But I do not like the fact that the Hillary campaign and some of its supporters are, through their hysterical conduct, casting doubt on the emotional stability of women and our ability to govern.
Let's settle down, have an investigation and determine what really happened here.
The vendor, NPG Van seems to think it was nothing, run along. The Hillary supporters are jacking it up for all it is worth. There are two views on this. A thorough investigation that goes back to the beginning of the campaign is needed.
This is Hillary's chance to prove how honest and how much integrity she and her campaign have. Let's see Hillary and her voters support holding a truly independent investigation of the DNC's handling of this primary campaign.
We need to do this in order to rebuild the trust in the Democratic Party.
Duval
(4,280 posts)Gothmog
(179,869 posts)Here are some facts that show that your claims are wrong http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/
So then the question is, what did the Sanders campaign staff do?
These logs show Sanders people spent a bit under two hours in the data. During that time, they called up information from about a dozen states. They queried the database for the number of voters who met certain criteria. The "Turnout" variable shows on a scale of 1 to 100 how likely a person is to vote. A voter with a high "Priority" score would be someone the campaign will make every effort to contact.
The NGP VAN statement said the Sanders campaign could not see actual lists of voters. All that would be visible would be tallies of people. The sole exception was "a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user."
That would correspond to the final item on the log above where at 11:41 a.m. there is a notation for "Hits counts and cross tabs 4 times."
It is unclear if that page was printed out or copied. But it was created because a Sanders staff member took specific actions.
Two people who know the NGP VAN system told PolitiFact that even the most minimal data gleaned from the Clinton campaign would have been valuable.
David Atkins, a campaign consultant and county official in the California Democratic Party, told us that the information would give the Sanders campaign some idea of how the Clinton campaign was targeting voters. And it would offer "a sort of polling snapshot to see how well or poorly she was doing in certain states."
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he has been hurt the most by her bias and collusion.
and i take issue with the article's use of the term insurgent...its definition is "rebel".... bernie and martin are legitimate candidates, and to suggest that they are rebels is to suggest the sovereignty of something to rebel against. just more language to trick the people into the inevitability myth or the idea that no one has the right to run against hillary.
note..i realize the term was used by the author and not the poster. no complaints against willyt, its a great post!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)pretty much one entity. And yes, the chasm between Progressive/Liberal and Centrists/Conservative is a tough order for a Party Chairman, But we need one that Can do that.
tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)Doing a heck of a job.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and assorted other ignorant or dishonest means of avoiding those ugly truths.
Apparently they are at least subliminally aware that the collusion with the HC camp on such matters is really a disqualifier for the top job should it be adequately proven.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Read their entire post.
http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy
On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.
NPG Van says that Sanders could not save or act on the limited information they accessed.
Stop the hysteria. It makes females (like me) look unfit to govern.
Hillary supporters need to please stop the hysteria and the exaggerations.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)of like defaming kind, in both the baselessness of the lie itself and the tenacity of those that continue to cling to and spew it.
pnwmom
(110,261 posts)You keep asking to audit NGP all the way back till October, but according to the passage you keep citing, they weren't even involved then.
P.S.
Other than the paragraphs you don't quote from, that page on NPG has not been updated since Amy Dacey exhibited the database logs that prove that NPG was NOT correct. Data was saved into Bernie files and even exported.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)So there is a question as to why the NGP Van vendor wasn't especially warned about avoiding such breaches. That's my guess.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Go, Bernie!
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...just another piece of human garbage. (I believe that's strong enough)
TryLogic
(2,291 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)KG
(28,795 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)The ACTIVISTS say something then the rabid female dogs (I got in trouble for using the 1 word version) go and jump on board a day, a week or months later. They make it sound like it is their idea, when it actually came from the REAL radical activists in the party.
FloridaBlues
(4,669 posts)She's a good debator so yea lets have 10 more so she goes higher in polls
There's only so much a candidate can repeat a stump speech without it getting boring to the audience
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)THAT would make sense.
Hiding from debates does not,
and makes Hillary appear to be afraid of a 2008 redux.
DUbeornot2be
(367 posts)... that there is a window of opportunity here for Bernie and O'Malley to take advantage of the public support and outrage at dws and the 'stacked-deck' called the dnc to force another debate or two into the mix.
The dnc has shown its hand, having failed to perform their contractual agreement to provide a secure environment for the data and then again by disregarding the ten-day notice... And we know the restricted debates work against a well informed populace.
I would think the dnc might be open to putting a few more debates into the mix because it would go a long way to show there's really no bias... that it is really just coincidence... yes, an unfortunate misperception that it looks like the debates were scheduled during times when many in the AA community might be otherwise occupied by programming on stations owned by some of Hillary's biggest supporters. "The Wiz" live the weekend before Christmas and Sunday night MLK weekend programming... really makes one wonder who they care about informing. Is this another example of the institutionalized racism everyone is talking about?
Bullies need to be stood up to, which is what we saw last week with the lawsuit. Now it's time to bully them back...
Regardless, they will soon...
"Feel the Bern!"
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)draa
(975 posts)I've read more "the DNC sucks and is screwing Sanders'" stories over the past few days than all of the previous media coverage of Sanders combined. Good to see this isn't being ignored any more.
Uncle Joe
(65,137 posts)Thanks for the thread, WillyT.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)be out of character for her as she supports Repubs in her own state over Dems.
But she won't be going anywhere, she is doing the job she was hired to do, that seems pretty obvious at this point.
lark
(26,081 posts)pacalo
(24,857 posts)
Bernie supporter and have checked in deeply with myself: If this kind of thing was happening to HRC and in Bernie's favorI would be equally outraged. It is not what Democrats do to each other.
Also, since I'm protective of the larger democratic party projectI would never jeopardize it for one candidate.
I have never once heard of an HRC supporter being angry or appalled at what the DNC has done by suppressing viewer eyes on the debates. Our candidates are head and shoulder above the Repugs and hardly any one is seeing them. It's beyond stupid.
HRC supporters should give a damn that BS does better than HRC against Trump and all other Repugs.
The HRC branch of the DNC is not making political sense any more.
Call the DNC and tell them DWS must go: 202 863 8000
pa28
(6,145 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 22, 2015, 10:41 PM - Edit history (1)
Following the latest mid-term election catastrophe in 2014 the DNC issued a post mortem report to turn our fortunes around.
It's a document compiled by party elites reinforcing the idea of a party led from the top down. The report suggested more leadership recruiting, better tech infrastructure and getting out the vote on election day.
https://uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/DVTF_FinalReport.pdf
What it didn't suggest was giving rank and file Democrats a place at the table or once again becoming the party working Americans could rely on to defend their interests.
They are clueless and we're going to lose elections and alienate voters until we go the way of the Whigs.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)She needs new make-up. I haven't seen that much pancake since the last time I ate at IHOP!
Yallow
(1,926 posts)I am getting sick of getting my threads locked.