Hillary is WALKING HER TRUMP LIE BACK!

[berni_mccoy]

Now she's really done. She lied. Was called on it. And now she's walking it back. She is not going to win a general election campaign if this is how she's going to play. This is why Sanders needs to win the nomination. He knows how to handle the clown called Trump.

[randys1]

1. This post CANT be on Democratic Undergound, can it?

I have seen it on rightwing sites, rightwing media sources like Daily Caller, but here at DU also eh.


WOW

[berni_mccoy]

2. Hillary can't be our front runner can she?

[randys1]

3. This is a fucking joke...Whoever owns this board MUST change the name

[berni_mccoy]

6. And Hillary should change parties.

Running on the conservative platform she is.

Hawkish, anti-worker, pro-corporate, lying and cheating DLCer.

[KamaAina]

27. I'll give you hawkish, anti-worker, and pro-corporate

but I don't think she lies or cheats more than most other pols.

[berni_mccoy]

29. She certainly makes stupid ass lies... like SNIPER FIRE IN BOSNIA

And there are many others.

She does cheat excessively so. Robocalls to disenfranchise African American voters during 2008 comes to mind.

[KamaAina]

39. "Robocalls to disenfranchise African American voters during 2008 comes to mind."

Deets, please?

[berni_mccoy]

54. Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251758204

[KamaAina]

57. Ouch. I have never been a big HRC fan, but that hurts.

[Hekate]

130. Pretty much authored by yourself

[berni_mccoy]

132. Supported by facts 100%.

Prove anything wrong if you can.

[Hekate]

133. I don't try to prove negatives, nor argue with those whose minds are closed. And you...

...appear to be badly outnumbered on this thread, for a change. Perhaps you yourself should walk it back.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

121. I hafta agree with you there... Hillary is just your average politician when it comes to lying. Bernie, a real straight shooter, is pretty much the exception - love his honesty!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[KamaAina]

122. I hadn't even thought of Elizabeth as VP!

But two New Englanders?

[merrily]

35. Jury results

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And Hillary should change parties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=938827

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Seriously? Seriously, will we allow it to get so bad on GDP that this language about one of our candidates is allowed? There is hyperbole and then there is whatever this is.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 22, 2015, 05:28 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Don't hide. Rebut.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Liar seems mild in comparison with accusing Sanders of aiding and abetting pedophiles, favoring rape, etc., all of which were allowed to stand.
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Explanation: Ms. Clinton is a Dem. This post is over the top.
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Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
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I vote to hide it because it is pure meta

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[Godhumor]

48. There is only one Democratic candidate that joined the party this year for political expediency

And it wasn't Clinton.

[dlwickham]

55. joining the party after he has attacked it for years

[roguevalley]

113. all you do is flail. tell us why she deserves our vote. all I see is flailing

when her own actions and words come back on her.

[NYC Liberal]

117. This is why I am voting for her

It’s true that Clinton sat on the Wal-Mart board for six years while her husband was governor of Arkansas, where the chain has its corporate headquarters. She was paid about $18,000 a year for doing it. At the time, she worked at the Rose Law Firm, which had represented Wal-Mart in various matters.

But according to accounts from other board members, Clinton was a thorn in the side of the company’s founder, Sam Walton, on the matter of promoting women, few of whom were in the ranks of managers or executives at the time. She also strongly advocated for more environmentally sound corporate practices. She made limited progress in both areas. In 2005 she returned a $5,000 contribution from Wal-Mart, citing “serious differences” with its “current” practices.

Reich was even more gladdened by Hillary's passionate condemnation of corporate-executive compensation—one of the Labor Secretary's favorite populist topics. "These are real issues, Bill," she said, pointing out that the average CEO of a big company "is now earning 200 times the average hourly wage. Twenty years ago the ratio was about forty times ... People all over this country are really upset about this." When Bill demurred, saying he couldn't be "out front" on such issues, Hillary said sharply, "Well, somebody in the administration ought to be making these arguments," turning to Reich. "I agree," replied Bill with a nod.

Let’s finally do something about the growing economic inequality that is tearing our country apart. The top 1% of our households hold 22% of our nation’s wealth. That is the highest concentration of wealth in a very small number of people since 1929. So let’s close that gap. Let’s start holding corporate America responsible, make them pay their fair share again. Enough with the corporate welfare. Enough with the golden parachutes. And enough with the tax incentives for companies to shift jobs overseas.

We need diversion, like drug courts. Non-violent offenders should not be serving hard time in our prisons. They need to be diverted from our prison system. We need to make sure that we do deal with the distinction between crack and powder cocaine. And ultimately we need an attorney general and a system of justice that truly does treat people equally, and that has not happened under this administration.

I have spoken out on my belief that we should have drug courts that would serve as alternatives to the traditional criminal justice system for low-level offenders. If the person comes before the court, agrees to stay clean, is subjected to drug tests once a week, they are diverted from the criminal justice system. We need more treatment. It is unfair to urge people to get rid of their addiction and not have the treatment facilities when people finally makes up their minds to get treatment.

• Voted YES on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jun 2007)
  
• Voted YES on making oil-producing and exporting cartels illegal. (Jun 2007)
  
• Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
  
• Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
  
• Voted YES on $3.1B for emergency oil assistance for hurricane-hit areas. (Oct 2005)
  
• Voted YES on reducing oil usage by 40% by 2025 (instead of 5%). (Jun 2005)
  
• Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
  
• Voted NO on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
  
• Voted YES on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
  
• Voted YES on removing consideration of drilling ANWR from budget bill. (Mar 2003)
  
• Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
  
• Voted NO on terminating CAFE standards within 15 months. (Mar 2002)
  
• Supports tradable emissions permits for greenhouse gases. (Aug 2000)
  
• Keep efficient air conditioner rule to conserve energy. (Mar 2004)
  
• Establish greenhouse gas tradeable allowances. (Feb 2005)
  
• Require public notification when nuclear releases occur. (Mar 2006)
  
• Rated 100% by the CAF, indicating support for energy independence. (Dec 2006)
  
• Designate sensitive ANWR area as protected wilderness. (Nov 2007)
  
• Set goal of 25% renewable energy by 2025. (Jan 2007)
  
• Let states define stricter-than-federal emission standards. (Jan 2008)
  
• Gas tax holiday for the summer. (Apr 2008)

I think we need to give people about $650, if they qualify--which will be millions of people--to help pay their energy bills this winter. There are so many people on fixed incomes and working people who are not going to be able to afford the spike in energy costs. And then we will have money for rebates, but let’s make them the right rebates. A lot of our seniors on fixed incomes don’t pay income taxes. But that doesn’t mean they’re immune from the energy costs.

• Count Every Vote Act: end voting discrimination by race. (Jun 2007)
  
• Voted YES on granting the District of Columbia a seat in Congress. (Sep 2007)
  
• Voted NO on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)
  
• Voted NO on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
  
• Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
  
• Voted YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
  
• Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
  
• Voted YES on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
  
• Voluntary public financing for all general elections. (Aug 2000)
  
• Criminalize false or deceptive info about elections. (Nov 2005)
  
• Reject photo ID requirements for voting. (Sep 2005)
  
• Post earmarks on the Internet before voting on them. (Jan 2006)
  
• Establish the United States Public Service Academy. (Mar 2007)
  
• Prohibit voter intimidation in federal elections. (Mar 2007)
  
• Prohibit 'voter caging' which intimidates minority voting. (Nov 2007)

Clinton’s foes say she doesn’t deserve credit for expanding federal health insurance, a claim Clinton has made literally thousands of times. She “got health insurance for six million kids,” according to one ad.

We review the record and conclude that she deserves plenty of credit, both for the passage of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) legislation and for pushing outreach efforts to translate the law into reality.

If you don’t start out trying to get universal health care, we know--and our members of Congress know--you’ll never get there. If a Democrat doesn’t stand for universal health care that includes every single American, you can see the consequences of what that will mean. It is imperative that we have plans, as both John and I do, that from the very beginning say, “You know what? Everybody has got to be covered.” There’s only three ways of doing it. You can have a single-payer system, you can require employers, or you can have individual responsibility. My plan combines employers and individual responsibility, while maintaining Medicare and Medicaid. The whole idea of universal health care is such a core Democratic principle that I am willing to go to the mat for it. I’ve been there before. I will be there again. I am not giving in; I am not giving up; and I’m not going to start out leaving 15 million Americans out of health care.

She bitterly condemned the greed of health insurers, who she said were pushing the United States “to the brink of bankruptcy.”

• Voted YES on overriding veto on expansion of Medicare. (Jul 2008)
  
• Voted NO on means-testing to determine Medicare Part D premium. (Mar 2008)
  
• Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
  
• Voted NO on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
  
• Voted YES on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
  
• Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
  
• Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
  
• Voted NO on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
  
• Voted YES on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
  
• Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
  
• Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)

• Voted NO on cutting $221M in benefits to Filipinos who served in WWII US Army. (Apr 2008)
  
• Voted NO on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)
  
• Voted YES on limiting soldiers' deployment to 12 months. (Jul 2007)
  
• Voted YES on implementing the 9/11 Commission report. (Mar 2007)
  
• Voted YES on preserving habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees. (Sep 2006)
  
• Voted YES on requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods. (Sep 2006)
  
• Voted YES on reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act. (Mar 2006)
  
• Voted NO on extending the PATRIOT Act's wiretap provision. (Dec 2005)
  
• Voted YES on restricting business with entities linked to terrorism. (Jul 2005)
  
• Voted YES on restoring $565M for states' and ports' first responders. (Mar 2005)
  
• Federalize aviation security. (Nov 2001)
  
• Rated 100% by SANE, indicating a pro-peace voting record. (Dec 2003)

Following two and a half years of study, members of Bill’s Advisory Co until on Social Security offered proposals for investing a portion of Social Security retirement funds in the stock market. Hillary reacted emphatically to the report, telling her husband, “We mustn’t let Social Security be privatized.”

Social Security is one of the greatest inventions in American democracy, and I will do everything possible to protect & defend it, starting with getting back to fiscal responsibility, instead of borrowing from the Social Security trust fund. We need to provide some additional opportunities for people to invest, on top of their base guarantee of Social Security, more of a chance to build their nest egg. The risky scheme to privatize would cost between $1 and $2 trillion. That would undermine the promise of Social Security.

Rated 100% by the ARA, indicating a pro-senior voting record

At a time when her contemporaries were challenging the authority of college administrators, she steered the antiwar movement at Wellesley away from the kind of confrontation that convulsed other campuses.

Still, Hillary and her class were responsible for greater changes at Wellesley than any in its history. Black Studies was added to the curriculum. A summer Upward Bound program for inner-city children was initiated, antiwar activities were conducted in college facilities, the skirt rule had been rescinded, grades were given on a pass-fail basis, and interdisciplinary majors were permitted. One of Hillary’s strengths as a leader, still evident, was her willingness to participate in the drudgery of government rather than simply direct policy.

I’m relieved that the intelligence community has reached this conclusion, but I vehemently disagree with the president that nothing’s changed and therefore nothing in American policy has to change. I have for two years advocated diplomatic engagement with Iran, and I think that’s what the president should do.

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[Hekate]

131. Thank you for some actual truth. I wish certain people would walk back THEIR lies.

But I am not going to hold my breath.

[AgingAmerican]

119. I keep seeing this talking point, but never examples

[Motown_Johnny]

7. I suggest DemocraticSocialistUnderground.com

Hopefully by January 2017.



For the sarcasm impaired >>------>

[randys1]

8. I have a better one "All things BASH and HATE of Hillary"

[Motown_Johnny]

13. Telling the truth isn't bashing or hating.

In a town hall in Iowa today she said that it is the videos of Trump being broadcast on Arabic Television that is playing into the hands of ISIS.

IMO that is an accurate statement. She should have done this late Saturday night so that the Sunday shows would not have been all over her for her misstatement.

Why it takes her so long to figure out the obvious is beyond me.

[randys1]

17. ALL Things to BASH and HATE Hillary right here in river city

[Motown_Johnny]

21. If you need to misrepresent the truth to support her

then maybe she isn't worth supporting.

[randys1]

23. ALL Things to BASH and HATE Hillary right here in river city

Endless attacks of Hillary here, endless bashing.

Day in, day out.

[merrily]

38. randys1 has always maintained that he supports Bernie Sanders.

I have seen him defend Hillary in literally hundreds of his posts. I have never seen him defend Bernie. As he points out, though, he has said a few times that Bernie would be better about Wall Street than Hillary.

[Android3.14]

50. Some Hillary supporters say a lot of things that are untrue

The rest don't say much.

[darkangel218]

60. They alerted on you

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Some Hillary supporters say a lot of things that are untrue
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=938980

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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The implication being that when Hillary supporters post it's inherently untrue?! A little reason would be a nice change here, guys.

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I voted to leave, of course.

[Android3.14]

74. Thanks for the heads up

It's unfortunate.

[litlbilly]

67. At least now we know where you get your talking points from.

[randys1]

70. Where I get MY talking points? What in the HELL are you talking about?

[rhett o rick]

64. The alerters are out in force.

Hillary is WALKING HER TRUMP LIE BACK!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251938809

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Really? On DEMOCRATIC underground? In support of Trump and the right wing? This should be hidden and this user banned. He clearly doesn't understand what the democratic party is all about. I am sure Bernie himself woul disavow the sentiment expressed in a heartbeat because he is an honorable man. Please hide this.

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[Codeine]

51. Dude, they're fucking linking to Daily Caller now.

DU is giving Tucker Carlson love nowadays.

Wtf is going on?!

[randys1]

53. Yep, they are. And if it were up to me, that would be allowed, the problem is when

an actual liberal like myself is silenced for pointing out racism or supporting the Democratic Party.

[OilemFirchen]

59. It's been a go-to source since Obama's inauguration.

Because... issues.

[Number23]

116. Yep. Attack, attack, SCREAM, attack because... principles.

And the more obvious it becomes that no one is listening, the louder the screams and attacks become.

[ljm2002]

63. Well we have plenty of posts here defending DWS...

...who is one of the most DISLOYAL Democrats in the whole party! So yes, there are a lot of surprising things here at DU...

[randys1]

65. I am no fan of DWS, but she is showing loyalty to the leader in the polls, exactly

what a party chair is supposed to do.

I think she has blundered many times, but there is a lot of immaturity around here as to how people think political parties operate.

[ljm2002]

66. I have not heard of ANY other pol...

...who as an officer of their own state's party, refused to support candidates in their OWN party and attended fundraisers for members of the OTHER party.

Disloyal and corrupt to the core, is DWS. Also: amateur hour, judging by this latest imbroglio.

Also: you really think that "showing loyalty to the leader in the polls" is the DNC chair's job? So you, too, are agreed that the DNC is really just an extension of the Clinton campaign. Odd, I thought primaries were where we sorted out -- largely through VOTERS -- who the party's standard bearer would be in the general.

[Omaha Steve]

92. Actually there is a rule of neutrality for the DNC period

Somebody else already broke that rule.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/impartial-dnc-finance-chief-helps-hillary-clinton-118558

In an apparent violation of party rules requiring Democratic National Committee officers to remain neutral in presidential primaries, the DNC’s finance chairman has been raising money for Hillary Clinton’s campaign.

Henry R. Muñoz III, a former fundraiser for President Barack Obama who became DNC finance chairman in 2013, is helping organize a Wednesday fundraising event for Clinton in San Antonio, Texas, according to longtime Democratic operative Gilberto Ocañas and Bexar County Democratic Party Chairman Manuel Medina.

“I know he’s made a few calls to raise money,” Medina said of Muñoz on Tuesday. “He’s certainly taking it upon himself to make tomorrow’s fundraiser a success.” Muñoz was also present at a Clinton campaign kickoff breakfast in San Antonio last month at which local supporters met the campaign’s national political director, Amanda Renteria, and other staff, according to Ocañas.

DNC rules, designed to ensure all candidates get a fair shake in presidential primaries, state: “The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and even-handedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.”

[Recoverin_Republican]

71. they're from th same people. GOPers for Bernie. notice no links, typical RW claims w/o corroboration

no links. Just say their's a dragon that "everybody" sees but no articles, no links, no sense....LOL

...I recognize these techniques from the bad ol' days.

[randys1]

72. But apparently I have talking points LOL

[AlbertCat]

76. I have seen it on rightwing sites, rightwing media sources like Daily Caller,

I saw it on regular news ...which is not so impartial...but...it's not some RW meme.

[Old Codger]

88. The truth

Isn't allowed here??? that explains a lot of what I have seen lately then..

[trueblue2007]

91. yeah this filth can be posted cuz the OP is a republican.

[George II]

99. Right - no specifics about "the lie", no source, or what the "walk back" is. Amazing.

[Hekate]

129. Naked and unashamed, as it were

[Gman]

4. Seriously??

This is why?? Seriously??

[LuvLoogie]

5. Berni is tRump's Champion

GO BERNI!

[Human101948]

9. Experts say: She's absolutely correct...

Asked for com­ment, the Clin­ton cam­paign poin­ted to nu­mer­ous news re­ports and se­cur­ity ex­perts who noted that Trump’s com­ments are be­ing used by IS­IS. And in­deed, there seem to be plenty of know­ledge­able people who agree that Trump’s com­ments are be­ing used by IS­IS as a re­cruit­ing tool.

“They fol­low everything Don­ald Trump says,” Rita Katz of the SITE In­tel­li­gence Group, an or­gan­iz­a­tion that keeps tabs on the so­cial me­dia activ­it­ies of Is­lam­ic ter­ror­ist groups, told NBC News. “When he says, ‘No Muslims should be al­lowed in Amer­ica,’ they tell people, ‘We told you Amer­ica hates Muslims and here is proof.’”

That sen­ti­ment has been re­flec­ted widely by for­eign policy and na­tion­al se­cur­ity ex­perts and journ­al­ists: Dav­id Phil­lips, dir­ect­or of the Pro­gram on Peace-Build­ing and Rights at Columbia Uni­versity’s In­sti­tute for the Study of Hu­man Rights, told NBC that Trump’s com­ments “will surely be used by IS­IS so­cial me­dia to de­mon­ize the United States and at­tract re­cruits to fight in Ir­aq and Syr­ia.” And Ted Kop­pel,on ABC’s Night­line, called Trump IS­IS’s “re­cruit­er-in-chief.”

http://www.govexec.com/management/2015/12/clinton-says-isis-using-trump-recruiting-tool-she-right/124665/

Why are people boosting El Trumpo on this site?

[Motown_Johnny]

16. This new statement is correct, the one made in the debate was not.

Why couldn't she just have done this 2 and a half days ago?

[Human101948]

20. Do you really think that ISIS supporters are not sharing Trumo videos? We do right here.

It's a ridiculous splitting of hairs by a compulsive liar--Donald Trump.

[Motown_Johnny]

26. The media started it, and my assumptions are not the point.

Making a statement that can't be verified is a mistake. She made a mistake and then failed to correct her mistake in a reasonable period of time.

[840high]

138. Hillary has videoitis.

[ucrdem]

10. With all due respect Hillary rolled over Bernie in the first minutes of the first debate.

And that was that. Why would you think he'd fare any better against Trump?

[Motown_Johnny]

19. Your hero worship clouds your vision and judgement.

Every focus group felt that Bernie won that debate. Only the people who answer their landlines for pollsters disagree.

Why do you think she will do any better against Trump?

[ucrdem]

41. To some extent you're right -- Cooper tripped him up and Hillary delivered the coup de grace

and it was all over by 20:00:

She was ready, Bernie wasn't. Game over.

[Katashi_itto]

49. Lol...you keep beliving that

[ucrdem]

52. That was just the first question. Then came guns and she did it again:

"Senator Sanders did vote five times against the Brady Bill." That was at 28:00 and that was the end of Senator Sanders.

[AlbertCat]

95. "Senator Sanders did vote five times against the Brady Bill."

That didn't send us into war with Iraq did it?

From Wiki:

The original legislation was introduced into the House of Representatives by Representative Charles E. Schumer [3] in March 1991,[1] but was never brought to a vote. The bill was reintroduced by Rep. Schumer on February 22, 1993 and the final version was passed on November 11, 1993.

So it obviously went thru some revisions. No doubt there was some ridiculous stuff that needed to go in the versions Sanders voted against. Stupid stuff like making manufacturers liable for crimes committed with their product which Sanders also didn't like.

Here's a very good assessment from Politifact of his stance:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/

the conclusion from the article:
An attack ad said, "Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Bill -- background checks and waiting periods."

The Brady bill imposed a five-day waiting period for would-be purchasers of handguns. Between 1991 and 1993, Sanders voted against it five times. He did, however, vote for a version of the bill that imposed instant background checks, and against an amendment that repealed state background checks.

Experts noted Sanders’ votes were representative of Vermont’s gun owners and gun laws. Since the 1990s, his record on gun control is mixed.


Since I'm not a one issue voter, I'm not too concerned about Sanders' votes on a complicated, and multi-revised law. He's hardly a gun nut.... even if Hillary tried to paint him as one.... in the early 90s anyway... over 20 years ago. Of course it's not the 90s now.

[ucrdem]

107. Politifact: Sanders "voted on it numerous times, virtually almost always in opposition"

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generation-forward-pac/did-bernie-sanders-vote-against-background-checks-/

I think Clinton's claim is accurate. Yes, he had reasons, but that doesn't count for much in a debate. In any case the same could be said for Hillary's vote for the Iraq AUMF -- which was not, let it be noted, a declaration of war.

[AlbertCat]

136. Yes, he had reasons, but that doesn't count for much in a debate.

Only in Clinton-land perhaps. Depends on the reasons.

One line bumperstickers and platitudes are useless for deciding who to vote for.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Compelling

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. If you had to go to WAR with Trump which Democratic candidate would you choose, sir?

Thank you in advance.

[berni_mccoy]

22. Absolutely, Bernie.

[peacebird]

31. Bernie Sanders! No question at all.

[NorthCarolina]

36. Bernie without hesitation, and without a doubt.

"He touches our humanity" ~ Cornel West

[Hoyt]

12. She has immaterially refined the truth to appease her picky critics desperately looking

for something to pin on her. It's laughable.

[tularetom]

85. "immaterially refined the truth", eh?

I like that.

"Vote for Hillary Clinton, she will immaterially refine the truth"

That'll look good on a bumper sticker.

[Hoyt]

90. There was a time when Democrats would renounce Trump's racist screed, not one who criticizes him

for it.

Whether there is a video some rebel in the desert is passing around, or a video of Trump's racist screed on news shows, is immaterial except to someone desperate to pin something on Clinton. Trump is still inciting terrorists -- Islamic and home grown white wing racists. You ought to be criticizing them.

[zeemike]

108. There is no honer in calling out a liar with lies.

Even if they are "immaterial"...you simply lose the moral high ground.
And it don't go away by just diverting attention to the big liar and tell people to go after him instead.

[Hoyt]

110. No honor in taking Trump's side either. You should be ashamed.

[zeemike]

115. Well I am not ashamed because I did not take his side.

You my friend presented a false dichotomy...if you call out a Clinton lie you take Trump's side. It's the same thing as saying if you criticize Bush you support the terrorist,

[vixengrl]

15. She did not lie when she said that what Trump says

could stir up terrorism--we don't need to have Daesh *make* their own videos of Trump's inflammatory comments for them to exist courtesy of CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and all of them. And in any event, he certainly is stirring up US white supremacists, who have targeted peaceful Muslim folks living here with terroristic threats and acts.

If she clarified her comments to pacify a dopey media that has to frame things in the stupidest possible way--I won't blame her. If you have to frame it that way--seriously? I'm pro-Sanders, but guess what? I hate what Trump is doing more than I could ever dislike Clinton's campaign. If you want to make Trump's bs okay just to make Hillary Clinton look bad, I don't know what that is.

[NuclearDem]

18. Free Republic is thataway.

Fuck Donald Trump.

[JoePhilly]

25. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. You are a braver man than me and have my respect./nt

[JustAnotherGen]

84. Amen n/t

[stage left]

123. Yes, Indeed

Fuck him.

[JoePhilly]

24. Trump's speechs ARE recuitment vidoes for ISIS.

ISIS doesn't even need to publish or edit them.

They go straight to youtube.

Trump says Americans should hate ALL Muslims. ISIS says Americans hate ALL Muslims.

Trump and ISIS have the exact same message.

And yet here you are, covering for Trump.

Sad.

[JustAnotherGen]

86. +100

[Mass]

30. Seriously, you have a problem with a candidate behaving like an adult?

Personally, I am waiting for somebody stating clearly that the problem with Trump is that he is a bad business man who behaves like a toddler. This needs to be said again and again. We need adults to lead the country and Trump is neither an adult nor successful.

So, it would be nice for our candidates (all three of them) to state what should be obvious again and again. Trump is a mediocre business man behaving like a toddler, not a leader. All the rest of his problems come from there.

[randome]

32. Your gleeful screech does nothing but raise your blood pressure.

Could you do that somewhere else, please?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. As a Sanders supporter I have to say

this is a bit much. How about discussing the issues instead of just dogpiling on stupid shit like this? What she said was true enough - Trump encourages ISIS with his slanders of Muslims.

[comradebillyboy]

77. Wouldn't it be lovely

if there was less poo flinging at DU. Alas I think our hope is in vain. But Happy Holidays to you anyhow.

[emulatorloo]

34. Why not append this to your earlier over-the-top thread?

I get you support Bernie for President, so do I.

But I don't see how multiple threads promoting disingenuous nit-picky MSM 'fact'checks that give Donald Trump a pass on his jihadist-creating rhetoric promotes the candidacy of Bernie Sanders.

I am also unclear how encouraging the cash grabbing 24-hr cable news cycle, which specializes in making a mountains out of molehills, promotes the candidacy of Bernie Sanders.

As I said in your other thread, these same slimy nit-picky tactics the MSM is employing to attack HRC and prop up Trump will be employed against Bernie 24/7 once he wins Iowa and New Hampshire.

I hope you will dampen your enthusiasm for these tactics when Bernie is the target.

[cwydro]

40. Good post.

[OilemFirchen]

61. "I get you support Bernie for President..."

Is that actually in evidence? This poster's contributions today suggest otherwise.

[Voice for Peace]

37. Hillary would be excellent, I think, as head of Homeland Security.

Utterly serious.
Her plan for active involvement in the Muslim communities stood out for me in the debate.

A close friend supports her for the sole reason of fear... he thinks Hillary will protect us from Isis. Not much common sense can get past that bogeyman.

[madaboutharry]

42. Dear bernie_mccoy,

It really is counter-productive to go down this road of hating all things Hillary. She may very well be the nominee and if Democrats, like you Sir, do not go out and vote for her it is as if you are voting for the Republican nominee.

Don't believe me. Look what happened in Iowa in the last mid-term election when all the Democrats stayed home because the Democratic nominee was some uninspiring state senator. What happened is named Joni Ernst, a far-right extremist nut job from the Twilight Zone of Wackoville.

There is going to come a day when the party will need to unite in solidarity. And if Hillary is the nominee, demonizing her now is going to make that a lot harder.

[Schema Thing]

43. Jeez dude, as a Bernie supporter, I beg you, dial it back a notch

Hillary didn't "lie". It's fair and smart speculation to assume ISIS uses Trump's words to recruit. WTH wouldn't they?


And if she's playing it wrong, well, enjoy. But don't go dirty.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Bernie's TRUTH -Trump's a "PATHOLOGICAL LIAR", True, true, true.

There's really no need to make shit up. Trump delivers a boatload of pure crap 24/7 that can be used against him. FLAT-OUT LIES aren't required!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[silenttigersong]

45. Okay

What about the "WE CAME, WE SAW ,HE DIED"video?I am sure any thing will be used for recruitment.

[Skidmore]

46. Really? Seriously?

Lie? I think Hillary is handling Trump just fine. And perhaps you need to walk it back. Remember that your candidate is now a Democrat too.

[99th_Monkey]

47. Lawrence O'Donald Disagrees

Check it out, it's spot-on relevant
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017316797

[Douglas Carpenter]

56. OH PLEASE!! I have been a Sanders supporter before most of America ever heard of him

and I am no fan of the Clintons. But this is ridiculous. As someone else said, please, please dial it back. Bernie would be ashamed of this.

[Persondem]

82. Thank you. I think you are correct; Bernie would be ashamed. nt

[zappaman]

58. Only 3 OPs from you today about this?

Slacking...

[stevil]

62. Your opinion....

My opinion is that Hillary already knows how she will win this thing and has been keeping her powder dry. And yet you choose to indirectly defend Trump to justify an attack pulled from thin air. What the hell?

[Bleacher Creature]

68. What on earth are you talking about?

All I can tell from this thread is that this is some sort of right wing talking point being regurgitated by Sanders supporters. Since I don't read right wing sites, I have no idea what this is about.

Interesting company some people keep. You should be very proud.

[cwydro]

69. I haven't seen that at all.

Watching CNN, and they said she had no intention of apologizing, "walking back," or any of that.

[NCTraveler]

73. I'm sorry to see you doing this. Nt

[napi21]

75. Sorry Bud. It's not the first time I've heard that Trump's commens were enhancing ISIS.

He's confirming exactly what ISIS is telling all recruits. America HATES Muslims and wants to kill them.

[Dawson Leery]

78. Trump has supports on this board.

[Gothmog]

79. Clinton stands by claim that Trump helps ISIS recruitment

Really? http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/22/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-isis-recruiting/index.html

Hillary Clinton on Tuesday stood by her claim that ISIS uses videos of Donald Trump to recruit terrorists, but offered more explanation than she did when she first made the comment over the weekend at the Democratic debate.

On Saturday, Clinton claimed that ISIS is "going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists." The claim was roundly panned, with fact checks labeling it false and Republicans knocking her for lying.

But Clinton didn't back away from the claim at a town hall event here, explain instead that videos of Trump are regularly played on Arabic television.

That appears to be the worse walkback that I have seen.

[Kelvin Mace]

80. Dude, this is not helping the cause

And I say that as someone who has ZERO intention on voting for HRC.

[Gothmog]

81. Plays Right Into Her Hands

Josh Marshall has a simple explanation as to why this is not a bad issue http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/plays-right-into-her-hands

Perhaps this is stating the obvious. But the new Clinton-Trump 'feud' over being the top recruiter for ISIS plays completely into Clinton's strategy which is, in essence, to bring the Republican primary battle to a close with Donald Trump as the winner.

I agree with Josh that this is a good move for Clinton

[Persondem]

83. Of course. It makes sense to play offense and let Trump & the media keep talking about

whether or not trump's over the top rhetoric is or is not a recruitment tool for ISIS. It works because it makes sense that Trump's remarks are exactly the type of thing that ISIS would use.

[Persondem]

87. It's actually a great strategy for CLinton. See post # 83. nt

[trueblue2007]

89. DEMOCRAT IS BEING TRASHED. the OP offered no truth whatsoever. what is the proof?

[ejbr]

93. I hardly thinks she is done

EVERYONE with a brain believes that Teump's mouth is a recruitment tool for ISIS. I would claim hyperbole, but not a lie.

[DonCoquixote]

94. all right this is too far

I am not a fan of Hillary, but what she said about Trump is one of the few high, true moments, one I am in agreement. And for any liberal to defend trump calls judgement into question.

[Andy823]

96. Total right wing crap

[bigtree]

97. derp!

[George II]

98. And of course, now that you went on about this "lie", you don't want to say exactly....

....what the "lie" was or the "walk back" is, huh?

Interesting.

[still_one]

105. because it wasn't a lie, and the statement Hillary made was quite valid.

I am so glad that some feel that racists rants against Muslims couldn't be used as motivating factor to induce some into the realm of the of Islamic extremists.

[George II]

106. To be blunt...no shit. Throw something out and hope that it sticks with some people.

Now I wonder if that DUer will be forthcoming about what the "lie" is.

[riversedge]

109. I posted this a bit ago--Hillary is NOT backtracking....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251939133

[840high]

139. The lie is that there is no video.

[George II]

143. When Clinton made her statement, she was referring to videos of Trump trash talking Muslims.....

.....which could be used as propaganda to enlist more extremists.

[840high]

145. That's not what she said. Merry Xmas.

[jwirr]

100. People do not trust her already. Now she goes about teaching

them why they shouldn't - she thinks nothing of lying.

[840high]

140. I no longer believe anything she says.

[still_one]

101. It wasn't a lie, and the argument was quite valid in fact.

When anti-Islamic videos that have been associated with the riots in Libya, where a U.S. ambassador was killed, and the riots that occurred in Egypt, it was just a coincidence. I am sure the violence associated with the publishing of the cartoons depicting Muhammad in a negative way by a Danish Newspaper was purely coincidental, or the assignation of Pim Fortuyn had nothing to do with anti-Muslim rhetoric. Nothing to see here regarding the attack on Charlie Hebdo, or recent attacks in France.

I am thrilled that some feel that poor old Donald's racists rants against Muslims couldn't be used as motivating factor to induce some into the realm of the of Islamic extremists.

That in itself speaks volumes

[840high]

141. Muslim is not a race.

[Proserpina]

102. Which lie was it?

[AzDar]

103. Wasn't it the late Christopher Hitchens who said that Hillary lies even when she doesn't have to?

There is SO MUCH about Trump that is truly abhorrent, why make shit up?

[still_one]

111. oh, you mean the guy who thought that Saddam Hussein must go, and that only force could be

used to over throw him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/christopher-hitchens-dead-iraq-war_n_1154152.html
That's good, go with that guy to make your point

[AzDar]

124. Like Hillary, no? Yet he still recognized a liar...

[still_one]

126. I am not arguing the IWR, I am arguing the credibility of Hitchenson. I don't like to speak ill of

the dead, so I won't go into what I think of him.

My point is there are much more credible sources you could have used to support your premise

[AzDar]

134. My Mother-in-Law also thinks she is an habitual liar, and since, unlike Hitch or Hillary she did not

support the Iraqi Misadventure, I guess I could cite her to soothe your, uhhh... *concerns*?
Bottom line remains the same: Hillary lies repeatedly.

[m-lekktor]

135. Using Hitchen's support of Iraq war as proof anything else he says is faulty in attempt to prop up

Hillary who also supported Iraq war is truly something to behold!!

[JustAnotherGen]

104. It's good to be confident

[boston bean]

112. Are we fucking defending Trump now here on DU?

[leftofcool]

114. Well, some certainly are. Just looks at some of the posts in this thread.

[840high]

142. I don't think so. We are however

pointing out Hillary's lies.

[yardwork]

118. What is wrong with you.

[MeNMyVolt]

120. Cue person knocking on door....

Are you feeling okay?
(Wrong, do it again)
Time to go, time to go
Time to go

Are you feeling okay?
Time to go, time to go

[tammywammy]

125. You're losing it dude.

Step away from DU.

[EndElectoral]

127. Truthiness. Feels true, should be true, ergo it is true.

[Hekate]

128. Oh please. She did not "lie," and she has no need to "walk it back." The man is a walking billboard

...of recruitment for ISIS, and everybody knows it.

[Turn CO Blue]

137. I am caucusing for Bernie - I disagree with the premise of this OP. RW talking point. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

144. ...

"Trump Lie" !!11

Oh my.

[treestar]

146. Why is the misspeak always called a lie?

There is a difference. You are losing all objectivity. That is what extreme hate does. I know republicans who hate Hillary less

[rbrnmw]

147. HILLARY WAS RIGHT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251966400

[oasis]

148. ^^^^^Read it and weep ^^^^^

curses, foiled again!!!

[rbrnmw]

149. ....