Some more reasons I am not a hrc supporter

[Leftyforever]

Travelgate
Vince Foster's Death
Whitewater - Jim & Susan McDougal
Hillary Care
Cattlegate - James Blair - Refco
Filegate
The Clinton Legal Defense Fund
Chinagate
IRS Abuses
Pardongate - Marc Rich - Denise Rich - Hugh Rodham- Carlos Vignali - FALN Terrorist

Election Fraud - Peter Paul - Norman Hsu
Fundraising - Jeffrey Thompson
The Clinton Foundation - foreign contributions

** Feel free to investigate these for yourself

[sufrommich]

1. I hope for your sake that this is a lame

attempt at a joke.

[Leftyforever]

2. Interesting choice of words sufrommich... almost like a threat... is there

something wrong with what I said... ???

[sufrommich]

3. Carry on. nt

[Leftyforever]

5. Please stop trying to intimidate me... there is nothing wrong with my OP

Say what you mean please

[FSogol]

6. Your post would be perfectly fine on FreeRepublic.

Your post is nothing but RW talking points.

[Leftyforever]

15. Are you kidding... I am a Proud Progressive... and I am sick of the Clinton scandal machine

Let's move on... time to make a Progressive change...

[FSogol]

17. If I believed you, I would ask: Why not promote your candidate rather than try & tear down other

Democratic candidates using RW crap?

[Leftyforever]

19. first of all go Terps! 2nd I have promoted Bernie plenty...thankyou 3rd.. ad-hominem

attacks...won't erase the abuse of power patterns of the clinton years.. argue the points and stop attacking me

[FSogol]

21. LOL: "Stop attacking me" Why not Stop flooding DU with RW crap?

[Leftyforever]

25. I am a Lefty!! This is not RW crap... the clintons play heavy politics... it's

reality...

[FSogol]

30. I hope you have time to investigate Obama's birth certicate too! I hear he was really born on

the Hawaii Island of Kenya and isn't a US citizen!

[Leftyforever]

34. funny.... but do yourself a favor... look into some of the pardons clinton did... they were payoffs

in my opinion... quid pro quot... come on ... think for yourself...

[Renew Deal]

57. Who did Hillary pardon?

[SCantiGOP]

74. OP is both

RW talking points and stupid, boring crap.

I love the whine: But I'm a lefty!!

[oasis]

20. Vince Foster, Whitewater. Tops the "progressive" outrage list.

[Leftyforever]

23. I don't want to revisit the scandal ridden clinton years...time to go Progressive..

[oasis]

26. You don't want to revisit what you just revisited. Got it.

[Leftyforever]

33. play with my words and meaning...it was clear what i meant is I do not want another

clinton presidency... I want a change

[oasis]

43. The only thing that is clear is your animosity toward the Clintons.

You asked those who replied to you to investigate the 20+year old "abuses" on your list. Surely you can post the results of those endless official investigations of long ago. They are still available. Show some initiative.

[Renew Deal]

61. Many of those don't even involve Hillary.

[oasis]

71. Nothing on that list should be the concern of a "progressive". nt

[Renew Deal]

73. Agree

Long time DUers should be careful about embracing some of the things showing up on DU.

[sufrommich]

9. I think I'll just leave this here for all of DU to see:

The original OP:



Some more reasons I am not a hrc supporter

Travelgate
Vince Foster's Death
Whitewater - Jim & Susan McDougal
Hillary Care
Cattlegate - James Blair - Refco
Filegate
The Clinton Legal Defense Fund
Chinagate
IRS Abuses
Pardongate - Marc Rich - Denise Rich - Hugh Rodham- Carlos Vignali - FALN Terrorist

Election Fraud - Peter Paul - Norman Hsu
Fundraising - Jeffrey Thompson
The Clinton Foundation - foreign contributions

** Feel free to investigate these for yourself

[Leftyforever]

16. Thanks... ivestigate some of these..and tell me there isn't a wiff of abuse of power....

quid pro quot...
time for a change...

[Renew Deal]

7. Where did you copy it from?

The only sources I can find are World Nut Daily and the sort.

[NCTraveler]

14. Please elaborate on what you view as a "threat" in that post.

Can't wait to hear this VF like right wing spin.

[Blue_Adept]

76. "But I'M the victim here!"

[CrispyQ]

4. I think you forgot 'bimbo eruptions.'

You managed to include everything from that repulsive right wing cartoon except for "bimbo eruptions." You want to know what I dislike most about HRC? Her vote for the Iraq war. And you know why it's not on your list? Cuz you took the list from the fucking cartoon. Right wingers don't care about the Iraq war. They supported it.

I'm still pissed that post was allowed to stand. This one is almost as bad. Grow the fuck up. You aren't doing Bernie any favors, & I'm a Bernie supporter.

[Leftyforever]

8. I have no idea what cartoon you are talking about.... If you read the OP it says here are some

MORE reasons I am not a hrc supporter... in my previous post about this subject.. her Iraq vote was my number one reason....

[CrispyQ]

12. Yeah & I have some prime waterfront property...

<Insert flip-the-bird smiley here.>

[NCTraveler]

10. Love your parody of right wing idiods. Spot on. They look like fools.

It's why Clinton becomes more popular the more they speak. While not Colbert worthy, well done.

[Renew Deal]

11. It's always interesting to look at who is reccing such posts.

[seaglass]

22. Yep, I think that is the only positive that came out of the imbecilic jury vote. n/t

[MineralMan]

13. Your list of right-wing attacks on

Hillary is out of place here, despite the ruling of the jury 3-4 to leave it. This is Democratic Underground, not a right-wing discussion forum.

[Leftyforever]

18. Wow.... if you only knew me... you don't think there is a pattern of establishment abuse of

power...please... you are burying your head...
it's time for a change

[MineralMan]

24. I know you in the same way I know all DUers:

I know you from what you post on this website. What you have posted are bogus attacks on the Clintons that were created by right-wingers. You posted what you posted, and encouraged people to go look for more info on those attacks.

Personally, I'd suggest that you self-delete this, if it doesn't represent who you believe yourself to be. Your choice.

[Leftyforever]

28. Again.... would you like... as two free thinking people...discuss any of the points... have

you actually looked into the situations regarding some of the pardons bill gave out... please... it is politics as usual.. and I would like to move away from that kind of strong arm politics... a government for the people...

[MineralMan]

35. I'm not going to do that. I remember all of them from

long ago when they were being put forward by right-wingers. There's nothing to discuss. You posted a bunch of right-wing attack points. You defend them, if you wish. I'm not interested in any way, other than to object to their posting here.

Do as you please.

[Leftyforever]

36. There are facts in these cases...fbi investigations, arrests, large fines... bury your head if you

like...

[MineralMan]

39. You're on your own.

The floor is yours. Please proceed.

[Bubzer]

83. I totally agree that right-wing attacks are out of place here.

We shouldn't have a problem with debunking them when brought up, however.

[MineralMan]

84. Read the DU TOS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Bubzer]

87. There's somthing in there that says we shouldn't rebut talking points?

There's this assumption that if someone on the left says something, and it's parroted on the right, that somehow it magically transforms into a RW talking point. That's just not the case. He claims to be a progressive... he's made an argument... right or wrong, no one's bothered to refute it outside of saying it's a RW talking point. Granted, he hasn't provided any links or citations to be back his assertion, but no one else has provided any to show his argument is RW either. It's possible he may not actually know it's RW position. Maybe he does. Either way, we should still refute it if it's wrong.

[comradebillyboy]

91. Don't you think the person making the assertion has a duty to

provide evidence to support it? Throwing out a bunch of 20 year old bullshit that was thoroughly refuted in the 90s is ok with you?

[Bubzer]

95. I agree with you, he does have a duty to provide supporting evidence.

If you look down the thread, you can see I've asked him to do exactly that a couple of times.
I honestly don't know enough about most of his claims to be able to say if he's posting garbage or legitimate points. Without more evidence one way or another, I cannot have an informed opinion on the subject.

[LonePirate]

27. Just another day I can't tell the difference between DU and FR.

Did you get your bookmarks mixed up?

[Leftyforever]

29. It's funny how no one is talking about any of the specifics.... ostriches...burying there heads...

the clintons play hardball establishment politics and I would like to move to a more progressive democratic party... time for a change

[LonePirate]

53. Any time Vince Foster's death is included in a list of complaints, the entire list becones tainted.

Are you sure you wouldn't be happier on FR? Your views seem to align pretty well with theirs.

[LonePirate]

64. FR = Free Republic, the RW counterpart to DU but without the intelligence and humor

The entire OP reads like it was lifted word for word from FR.

[Leftyforever]

66. NO.. I came up with these all by myself... ugh... if you don't look at these scandals and not see

a pattern of politics of quid pro quot..then ... you are not opening your eyes...

[LonePirate]

68. These aren't scandals. These are RW smears which evidently reeled you in hook, line and sinker.

[Leftyforever]

70. are you kidding.. you know in most of these there are court records... there are arrests, large

fines... oh my...how we don't know our history... means we will repeat the mistakes...

[Bubzer]

89. Could you link some examples that support your assertions?

[sufrommich]

31. There's some masks coming off here. On a daily

basis now.

[Leftyforever]

37. Check the records.. people were jailed, fined and reprimanded... check the fbi investigations...

ughhhhh.... think for yourself...

[Bubzer]

90. It's not really reasonable to expect people to check a nebulous record in order to defend your claim

You might gain more traction if you link the record you want people to check.

[grossproffit]

79. I spotted this one immediately. I must be psychic!

[redstateblues]

32. Freeper

[sufrommich]

38. Anybody have the jury results for this?

I would love to see what reasoning went behind allowing this to stand.

[MineralMan]

40. My alert was not the first one, so I only got the count:

4 to 3 to leave. I certainly hope we're not going to see more of these old right-wing attack talking points here, but my confidence level on that is low.

[sufrommich]

42. We'll see more,I have no doubt. nt

[Leftyforever]

47. You can think all you want that these concerns are only from the right wing... but you

would be terribly wrong...

[MineralMan]

52. Keep digging that hole, "Lefty"

[Leftyforever]

54. by expressing my opinion and concerns .... incredible...

[MineralMan]

62. Deeper and deeper...

[Leftyforever]

65. you are not going to intimidate me... I will voice my opinion... but nice try... silencing people

who disagree with you.... super bummer... very frustrating... you are one of the 5 or 6 hrc supporters who go around all day alerting alerting alerting... it certainly narrows the conversation

[MineralMan]

75. Actually, I rarely alert on any posts.

Only on disgusting right wing ones. I'm not trying to intimidate you, either. I have no power to do that. I'm trying to convince you that you're barking down the wrong hole. That doesn't appear to be working, though.

[comradebillyboy]

92. Smearing Clinton is totally OK at DU from what I can see.

Fits right in with DU posts defending Trump from Hillary's spot on critique of his Muslim bashing and demanding that she apologize. This is par for the course at DU now.

[seaglass]

41. I don't think "reasoning" is the word you're looking for...

On Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:25 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Some more reasons I am not a hrc supporter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251940935

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Vince Foster and whitewater? This is Rush Limbaugh bullshit posted on a Democratic site.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:33 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This poster is posting right wing garbage, everybody should judge for themselves if this is representative of Democrats or something else.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Tough one. There's bullsh*t in it, but I'm not sure bullsh*t is a hideable offense.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Wow. Was inclined to leave it till i read "Vince Foster" and "Whitewater".
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: GDP tends to get rough at times. I don't see anything over the top about this post. Stay out of GDP if it's too much for you.

[sufrommich]

46. Juror #7.

[FSogol]

48. At least 3 people alerted. I'm sure the admins will take note. n/t

[Leftyforever]

51. sad... sad.. sad... attempted censorship over this.. very right wing of you....

so frustrating......

[FSogol]

60. sad... sad.. sad... posting of RW talking points.. very right wing of you....

so frustrating......

[seaglass]

69. The only right-wing of anything on this thread is your OP. I see you are a very new member.

Perhaps you don't know that this board is not a free-for-all discussion but is very clearly stated by the Admins as "a diverse community of people holding a broad range of center-to-left viewpoints".

What you posted is not even close to center, never mind left.

[Leftyforever]

72. I disagree with you completely... If I think hrc is a corrupted politician..that means I am not a

democrat..or progressive independent..or god forbid a socialist... this defies logic

[MineralMan]

50. Juror one makes less sense.

Recognizes right-wing garbage attacks and leaves the post. Uff da!

[Leftyforever]

49. Freedom of ideas ... would have been my reason not to hide it.... i am not a republicon...

these concerns of the clinton power politics isn't only from your right but also from your left... deal with the issues

[leftofcool]

44. Gee, you left out Monica!

[Leftyforever]

67. oh right... that was sure fun...please give me more of that drama... no thank you...

[Leftyforever]

45. Don't ignore the obvious.....

Source: H. A. Goodman / Huffpost

In addition, Sanders should address all of Clinton's controversies, from foreign donors to weapons deals and other issues. There's a lot to work with, and to ignore the obvious won't help Democrats or the future of our nation. This is a presidential race and Sanders would only be addressing relevant issues with judgement, not "going negative."

Not everything is Benghazi. The FBI isn't part of the GOP. My motivation to write and vote only for Bernie Sanders is explained in this YouTube segment. I'm not getting paid by the Sanders campaign. For the record, I have a great deal of respect for everything Hillary Clinton has accomplished, however I have serious concerns about ongoing scandals and other issues pertaining to a possible Clinton presidency.

If the shoe were on the other foot, and Hillary Clinton faced an opponent whose personal server and emails were being investigated by the FBI, it's doubtful the Clinton campaign would refrain from addressing an ongoing scandal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-should-address-all-of-clintons-scandals_b_8486818.html

[Renew Deal]

55. We're not

[MineralMan]

58. H.A.G. again? OMG!

He has truly jumped the shark again. One of these days, that shark is going to get him...

[leftofcool]

59. HA Goodman=Rand Paul supporter.

But, thanks for playing.

[Leftyforever]

63. It's the same old people trying to strong arm and intimidate folks that don't toe their line of

thinking... sad .. sad .. sad..

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

88. Truly sad

Rush Limpballs has invaded DU

Vince Foster's death.....unfuckingreal.

[grossproffit]

77. I knew it was only a matter of time.

[Leftyforever]

78. Check the fbi records... count the arrests... the inditements.. the fines..

only a matter of time because corruption smells...

[Betty Karlson]

80. Once more: Clinton supporters do not take criticism of their candidate serious.

Maybe it is because so many unfounded allegations have been made against their preferred candidate, that they have become impervious even to legitimate concerns.

And maybe they just want to mock their opponents, because they have no other argument than to shoot the messenger and ridicule the message.

[Leftyforever]

81. finally some logic

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

93. There are unfounded allegations right in the OP

Vince Foster? Half of these are Ken Starr allegations. And Ken Starr was a lying right wing sack of shit.

Oh no, I smeared Ken Starr "Forever Lefty". come defend his honor!

Seems someone is mixed up.

[Betty Karlson]

97. I thought the OP was an attempted parody of an honest OP posted earlier this week?

Your response kind of proves my point: Clinton supporters no longer see the difference between baseless and actual criticism of their preferred candidate.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

98. You thought wrong

Go back and read some of the OP's replies. They clearly treat Vince Foster seriously.

I'm also not a Hillary supporter. I'm a Democrat who is sick and tired of right wingers trashing us with bullshit for 25 years because they haven't owned the White House like they think is their birthright!!!!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

82. Obvious troll is obvious.

[Bubzer]

85. Some links might help stave off the claims that your using right-wing talking points.

[left-of-center2012]

86. You're not blaming her for crop circles?

Or "New Coke"?

[tammywammy]

94. Sad that this shit of an OP has five recs. n/t

[Babel_17]

96. There's no there there regarding the sad case of Mr. Foster's suicide

It was investigated to the extreme. He was torn apart at how depressingly ugly the politics of personal destruction were inside our nation's capitol. I'm sure he had other things on his mind but it was a straight up suicide.

I lived through that era and the use of that accusation, and others like it, (yeah, ironically, David Brock comes to mind) ultimately backfired on those who were seen as obviously overplaying their hand.

"Here ruining people is considered sport."

"Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr"

After a three-year investigation, Starr concluded that Foster's death was a suicide. CNN stated on February 28, 1997, "The Starr report refutes claims by conservative political organizations that Foster was the victim of a murder plot and coverup," but "despite those findings, right-wing political groups have continued to allege that there was more to the death and that the president and first lady [Bill and Hillary Clinton] tried to cover it up."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Vince_Foster

Having Starr saying nothing is there is like if Senator Warren said a particular investment group was clean.