Which SIDE Are You On? Third Way (Hillary) vs. FDR (Bernie)

[Segami]

Richard Eskow, Bernie Sanders Campaign/The Zero Hour joins Thom. Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders made sure that the differences in their policies are clear to voters - but they also made it clear why any Democrat would be better than any Republican.

[NCTraveler]

1. Clinton all the way. nt.

[Segami]

2. So, you're a Third Way supporter?

[NCTraveler]

6. I'm a Clinton supporter. You can define me how you would like.

I don't think you get that I'm not impressed with all of your finger pointing, attacks, and yelling. Just not my thing. If I'm going to be attacked for simply supporting Clinton on this site, so be it.

[Segami]

8. Hold up a mirror to yourself before you

start lobbing lame insults against others as you have.

You might learn something.

[NCTraveler]

9. lol. You went to the look in the mirror routine?

Love it. Merry Christmas.

[Segami]

13. Routine?...No, just reality.

Entertain some self-reflection in your own life.....you might find it rewarding. Being a clever wordsmith might impress some.........anyway, in the spirit of the season...


Buon Natale....

[NCTraveler]

17. Your finger pointing is impressive.

Do you notice each of your posts here have been finger pointing? Then you drop something about self reflection. It keeps getting better and better.

[Segami]

20. 'Whistling'.......

[NCTraveler]

23. Is fun. nt.

[hobbit709]

3. You must love corporate rule.

[NCTraveler]

7. I must. lol. nt.

[99Forever]

4. K.R

[Rebkeh]

5. I'm on the side of democracy

therefore, I'm on the Bernie/FDR side.

[brooklynite]

10. I'm supporting a mainstream Democrat...twice elected as a US Senator in a Blue State...

...who served as SOS to a twice elected Democratic President...who was supported by half the Democratic voters in 2008...and who appear to have greater support today.

[brooklynite]

11. So, a Russian propaganda TV channel gets to define US political candidates?

[Scuba]

19. Yellow flag ...

Attacking the source instead of the argument? Lame.

[Armstead]

25. Hartmann is one of the best political analysts around....And the ony reason her is on RTV is...

because he is too honest for the mainstream media.
And lest you dismiss him as some ultra leftist Commie, he is basically a traditional Democratic liberal. He supports Democrats against the GOP. But he is clear eyed, and is frustrated by the Biog Money Conservative faction of democrats.

Hatrtman is one of the most knowledgeable and clear eyed commentators around. If you took off your partisan glasses, you'd probably agree with on a whole lot of things.

[Duval]

64. Armstead, you are absolutely Correct!

We've been listening for years. He is also on for three hours at UNC/Chapel Hill radio. He does a lot of investigating before he opens his mouth and I have never heard him speak anything but the truth. Our MSM is Corporate. Free Speech TV is not...it depends on donations from listeners. He has explained his contract with RT which I would think, would be on his website.

[CorporatistNation]

88. Well Said...

As My motto says... "Ignorance is our greatest threat..."

[xocet]

39. Your counterargument is fallacious as you attacked the source not the argument. Pathetic... n/t

[Duval]

68. Would you please go to his site and find out about his contract with RT?

You'll see you are wrong about this "Russian propaganda" bs.

[fredamae]

77. Thom Hartmann is Always

and quite Clearly saying and reminding his listeners (paraphrasing) "I think Hillary would make a Fine president and if she is the nominee I will fully vote for/support her". He goes on to say (paraphrasing again) that while he disagrees with some of her positions..he believes she is a good politician with honor and integrity.

[Agschmid]

12. Not an accurate portrayal...

Unrec.

[farleftlib]

14. There are stark differences between these two candidates

In all good conscience I can only support Bernie for POTUS, not the status quo, oligarchic candidate.

[Android3.14]

15. I support democracy, which means I can only support Sanders

Support for Clinton is just support for a slower descent into fascist mediocrity than the GOP is pushing.

[hack89]

16. Clinton with no reservations. nt

[comradebillyboy]

18. False choice

Bernie is hardly FDR and Hillary is a progressive not a third way. Your premise is absurd.

[Segami]

22. Did Hillary tell you that she's a progressive?

Hmm?,....

[daleanime]

28. And she will tell you that...

as long as you caught the right speech.

[notadmblnd]

58. I love the way they've co-opted the term progressive

I've always thought of neo-liberals aka 3rd way-ers- as conservative democrats.

[Roland99]

56. Hillary? Progressive???

[Jackilope]

62. But , she told us she was!

Not that I ever took her word for it......

[Roland99]

84. Her word? Her word changes more than the wind direction

all depends on what the polls of the month are saying she should be saying.

[Punkingal]

21. Bernie.

I have been a Bernie fan for years. He is not a newcomer to me.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. O'Malley

[fbc]

42. Martin O'Malley is tearing this party apart!

[TIME TO PANIC]

45. I would put that blame on Debbie Wasserman Shultz,

but O'malley's behavior at the last debate wasn't cool.

[JustAnotherGen]

47. Youth will do that ;-)

[NorthCarolina]

26. Like the majority of Americans,

I choose BERNIE!

[daleanime]

27. FDR.....

[AllyCat]

29. FDR

[Bonhomme Richard]

30. FDR...I'm on the side that wants to deal with......

what is causing the problems.

[cantbeserious]

31. Bernie - FDR - All The Way

eom

[phylny]

32. I will vote for Sanders in the primary,

and the Democratic presidential candidate in the national election.

[Duval]

69. And so will I. Well said, phyiny!

[EndElectoral]

33. FDR..thanks for social security and the fair labor standards act, and the FDIC, and NIRA and the CWA

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

34. FDR.......

All we have to fear is fear itself......and corporate control of the government.

[stupidicus]

35. I've been battling 3rdwayers online almost as long as I have their rightwingnut cousins

they'll stretch the concept of pragmatism to the point where the concept and claims of having principles is pretty much meritless and untenable.

That's why they prefer the war/clusterbomb-loving, single-payer-hating, etc, etc, etc, hispanic "Grandma" over the guy that is none of those things.

[Zorra]

67. Third Wayers, like their RW cousins, despise FDR because of

his progressive, anti-fascist New Deal policies.

A whole lot of center right Dems, who don't even understand their own beliefs that place them in the center-right of the political spectrum, and who grew up in the Reagan/Limbaugh era, are completely ignorant of both US and Democratic party history and constantly parrot RW talking points about FDR.

Roosevelt's New Deal programs focused on job creation through public works projects as well as on social welfare programs such as Social Security. It also included sweeping reforms to the banking system, work regulation, transportation, communications, and stock markets, as well as attempts to regulate prices. His policies soon paid off by uniting a diverse coalition of Democratic voters called the New Deal coalition, which included labor unions, southerners, minorities (most significantly, Catholics and Jews), and liberals. This united voter base allowed Democrats to be elected to Congress and the presidency for much of the next 30 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party

[stupidicus]

80. I think there's much merit to that

back before the 2012 election around here I went a few rounds with some of them, and came away with the impression that most of them were younger, like in the 25-45 or so range.

I don't know for sure if that's the case, but they sure aren't the old hippy type like me...lol

[George II]

36. Why does it have to come down to "choosing sides"? But since the "challenge"...

....has been put out there, I've already chosen the only viable candidate who has been a member of FDR's Democratic Party ever since she was old enough to vote (that should shut off the expected "but she was a Goldwater Girl!!!&quot , Hillary Clinton.

Sadly, if he was campaigning back in 1932, Sanders would probably be calling FDR an oligarch and 1%-er.

[Cali_Democrat]

37. FDR interned Japanese Americans

Things aren't as black and white as you would like people to believe.

[Duval]

72. If you want a "Perfect President", good luck.

They all have had their mistakes, some more than others.

[uponit7771]

38. FDR had an 80% progressive congress, Sanders hasn't outlined what he'll do to get past the...

... current "ideals vs country" first republican congress.

[fbc]

41. He will do the opposite of Hillary Clinton

And not lose every down ticket election due to a lack of enthusiasm.

Yes, I know you Hillary fans think it's just great that your candidate will "get things done" by compromising away social security and environmental protections etc, but I believe that is a bad thing.

[uponit7771]

48. The House is gerrymandered, the DNC can register 234 trillion people and we'd still lose...

... the house.

The problem with congress is the gerrymandering and safe seats for both sides...

There's no motivation to do anything with Sanders and even less with Clinton...

Both being the same in that area why take a chance on Sanders?

[TIME TO PANIC]

53. Why take a chance on Clinton?

At least Sanders will fight for what we need.

[redstateblues]

63. All those down ballot Socialists

Will be swept into office on Bernies coattails. There are some aren't there?

[TIME TO PANIC]

51. So we should vote for a more conservative candidate because congress is conservative ?

We've had a conservative democrat as president for the last seven years; how has that worked out? I'm not necessarily knocking Obama, he's had an obstructionist congress to deal with. What we need is a candidate that will motivate people to show up to the voting booth. That will help us down ticket and will gain us more seats in the House and Senate. This is the only way we will see any progressive change in the short term.

[fbc]

40. I'm on side of FDR/Bernie. (the good side for good people)

[tinrobot]

43. I'm on the side of the Democratic Party

...and I will vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

Pretty simple, huh?

[TIME TO PANIC]

44. I'm on the side of FDR (Bernie).

Bernie will be a more racially inclusive FDR.

[SammyWinstonJack]

46. FDR (Bernie)

[LexVegas]

49. How was FDR on race? nt

[NuclearDem]

74. He had to make certain concessions so he could secure the southern Democrats.

Oh, and a bit of a bad spot with Japanese Americans.

[WillyT]

50. FDR/Bernie !!!

[DinahMoeHum]

52. Hillary, Bernie, Martin, anyone of them is 1000 times better. . .

. . .than anyone in that clown car called the GOP.

[LuvLoogie]

54. Clinton for President. Bernie for Senate

If Bernie ever gets the chance to vote on his 2013 Single-Payer bill (which he probably should have written in '09 while leveraging his vote to have it scored by the CBO), I'm sure Hillary would sign it if it passed Congress.

[FairWinds]

55. I try to stick to policy issues, not . .

innuendo, name-calling, ad hominem attacks, deflection, red herrings and

all the other immature crap.

Bernie is for single payer heath care, Ms. Clinton is not.

That is enough for me.

But there are other policy differences too - why in God's name can't we talk about them?

Veterans For Peace

[love_katz]

57. Bernie Sanders, all the way!

Feeling the Bern.

[yawnmaster]

59. sides. sigh. people will always have different opinions. We need to live with each other...

If one were able to eliminate the "other side" completely, those that deal with "sides" would just create two more sides.
Unify.
Find common ground.
Be positive!
It isn't us against them.

[turbinetree]

60. Democratic-Socialist............and Francis Perkins (FDR)....................progressive

Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

[Marty McGraw]

82. Francis Perkins!

What an Outstanding Sec. of Labor! A visionary well ahead of her time.

[turbinetree]

91. Yepper...............................

We need more just like her, now more than ever.................................
And I truly believe that Sanders has the vision that Sec. Perkins had when it came to helping this country and FDR made the right choice to have her there......................I got and millions of others got a safety net called Social Security because of her.

She is not spoken enough, on this issue and other issues that helped during the crisis in the depression, she was a visionary for the worker and the poor



Happy Holidays





Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016


It is about getting a progressive U.S. Supreme Court , Congress and state legislatures

[KansDem]

61. FDR

No more MOTS ("More Of The Same&quot

[CoffeeCat]

65. Our country was damn lucky to have FDR...

...and if you look at history an "FDR" candidate is very rare. A complete gift.

I am so grateful that we have an FDR-like candidate in Bernie Sanders. I had almost given up hope for our country and there were times I worried about the kind of world my children would experience. It's damn frightening, given the neocon agenda, the corporate corruption that has swallowed our government--because corrupt politicians take their money.

Then, Bernie comes out of nowhere and says that he will run.

We are all so lucky. This nation is so lucky, that Sanders would agree to take on such powerful, corrupt interests in this country.

He's a hero in my book.

We all need to not only support him, but work hard for his campaign. He can't do this alone.

The stakes have never been so high. Corruption has permeated both parties. Bernie is our last hope.

[Duval]

66. Bernie, of course. I am on the side of the one who cares deeply about the middle class,

about not supporting "regime change" wars, is in favor of breaking up the big banks, and giving everyone, regardless of class or economic income, a fair shake. Bernie speaks to and for the people. He is the FDR!!

[NCTraveler]

70. Oops. Still Clinton.

Name calling and gross generalizations doesn't seem to have worked. Who would have ever thought.

Democrats Rock!!!!

[Uncle Joe]

71. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Segami.

[FloridaBlues]

73. Not third way don't like the insult.

Hillary 2016!

[Motown_Johnny]

75. The Greater Good or The Lesser Evil...

Hmmm.....


I guess I will need to think about that for a while.

[NuclearDem]

76. Isolationists don't get to claim FDR. Period.

They were a thorn in his side all the way up to December 1941, and had DU existed back then, more than half of its members would be decrying him as a warmongerer and saying how Pearl Harbor was a false flag.

[longship]

78. I am a lifelong Democrat.

So I will vote for the party's nominee. I will very likely vote for Bernie Sanders in the MI primary.

But staying home, or voting for or writing in somebody other than the Democratic nominee is an absolutely horrible and indefensible idea.

Those advocating such things are not interested in what Democrats are about.

I really hope Bernie wins the nomination and the November election. But hell if I will stay home in November if he does not gain the nomination. I will vote for the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is. And I will also vote for all Democrats down ticket.

[BlueStateLib]

79. Bernie would of supported Al Smith not FDR

[dana_b]

81. Bernie's side!

And most of FDR's too (except for the Japanese internment camps).

[Hekate]

83. WHAT to do? What to DO?

[Andy823]

85. I am on my countries side

I will vote for O'Malley in the primary and whoever wins that primary in general election. I will do so because even if my candidate does not win, either of the other two would be a million times better than any of the GOP clown car, and that our country needs to keep on going forward, not back like the republicans want to take us.

[MeNMyVolt]

86. Not on your's.

Want nothing to do with you. Do wish you and your's the best during this holiday season.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

87. Bernie and other lefties

I don't like centrists

[wyldwolf]

89. since the 'progressive' left's view of FDR is mostly myth, Clinton is my answer.

[seabeyond]

90. FDR got things done. Sanders doesn't. Sanders is no FDR!

[ronnykmarshall]

92. any side to piss of the fucking Clinton haters in GD-B

Happy Holidays ....

[Enthusiast]

93. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[Freddie Stubbs]

94. How many Japanese-Americans would Bernie send to interment camps?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

95. José Martí: “Con los pobres de la tierra quiero yo mi suerte echar”

With the poor people of this earth
I want to share my fate

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