Whoa II... Shit Just Got Real... 'Dear Hillary, Let Me Introduce You to My Abuela' - HuffPo

[WillyT]

Dear Hillary, Let Me Introduce You to My Abuela
Barbara Sostaita - Latin Voices/HuffPo
Posted: 12/23/2015 9:08 am EST Updated: 12/23/2015 9:59 am EST



<snip>

Dear Hillary,

Yesterday, a post appeared on your blog titled "8 Ways Hillary Clinton Is Just Like Your Abuela." Many Latinxs took offense to this article. My friends at Latino Rebels published a response to your blog post, including a round up of Twitter reactions, found here: http://www.latinorebels.com/2015/12/22/just-when-you-thought-hillary-clinton-couldnt-hispander-any-more-she-did-it-again/

Your post also troubles me. Not only because it says you "care about children everywhere," yet you once said Central American refugee children "should be sent back." Not even because you've once again appropriated our language and our culture when it's convenient for your political agenda. I'm upset because of my real, flesh-and-blood abuela, because your narrative erases her reality.

Let me introduce you to my abuela.

My abuela grew up in Buenos Aires in the 1930s and '40s. An orphan, she lived in a nunnery until the age of 18 and, later, with the family whose children she nannied until she met and married my grandfather. My abuela lived through Argentina's Great Depression, through a violent military coup in 1976, through thousands of deaths and disappearances during what is now known as the "Dirty War."

She cried when Evita died. She cried when her husband died of cancer. She cried when she heard that thousands of young boys who could have been her sons died in a failed attempt to save Las Islas Malvinas from the United Kingdom. My grandmother's life was not just the pain of imperialism and the suffering brought on by a cruel political system, however. In 1964, her only son -- my father -- was born.

In 1983, she returned to the polls to choose a president in the new democracy. In 1990, she saw her son marry the love of his life. The next year, she held her first grandchild in her arms for the first time. You see, Hillary, my abuela is nothing like you.

In 1999, my abuela was once again left orphaned when my parents, my sister and I were pushed out of Argentina for economic reasons and forced to resettle in the United States. While Hillary lived in the White House, my sister and I lived apart from our only living grandmother.

Separated from her for six years, we were unable to feel our abuela's love. Meanwhile, she was kept from the only family she had left. In 2005...

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More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-sostaita-/dear-hillary-let-me-introduce-you-to-my-abuela_b_8865684.html

[thereismore]

1. But but Hillary ate at Chipotle!

Seriously, Hillary is kind of tone deaf on ethnic issues. It was so off-putting in 2008 and she is still doing it.

[Bubzer]

10. LOL...Chipotle... oh...my sides! LOL

The disconnect runs strong with that one...

[Enthusiast]

16. But eating at Chipotle entails a real element of risk. So cut it out!

[Bubzer]

21. lol

We're on a roll tonight

[Fuddnik]

44. There's snipers in them thar burritos!

[FrodosPet]

58. Microbial snipers

Gut retching kidney destroying bacterial snipers!

Free of GMOs =/= free of E. Coli

Hopefully they fix that soon. I like the concept of Chipotle. I like the menu. But hopefully they can pull back on the arrogance and snark, and fix this problem before the chain implodes.

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2015-chipotle-food-safety-crisis/

Getting back to Sen Sanders vs Sec Clinton - I hope Sen Sanders wins, as he cares the most about working folks like me. But I will enthusiastically support whoever the nominee is, and I hope the rest of Sen Sanders' supporters will as well.

[Ken Burch]

62. Hillary SURVIVED Chipotle, then. n/t.

[Divernan]

99. Ducking for cover as she dashed for the Ladies' Room

And damn! There was an O'Malley staffer already in one of the stalls! The indignity of it all! Having to share!

[MissDeeds]

15. But she can speak in Black dialect

I've heard her do it!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Cringe-worthy every time Hillary does it... talk about tone deaf!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[arcane1]

31. It's not too late to hire Romney's makeup person

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. ROFL

[840high]

50. Yes she did - she has a video - lol

[Scuba]

51. While ducking sniper fire!

[CorporatistNation]

68. And, Hillary Was Named After Sir Edmund Hillary as well... Lest We Forget That...

[Juicy_Bellows]

2. Stay tuned for the next round!

5 ways Hillary is just like your Bubbe.

7 ways Hillary is just like your MeMaw.

6 ways Hillary is just like your Babushka

5 ways Hillary is just like your Nonna.

[CharlotteVale]

5. This made me literally LOL.

[MisterP]

9. now that's worthy of a stitched throw pillow

[farleftlib]

11. Now that's funny.

You really nailed it.

On a serious note tho, nothing is too craven for this campaign.

[Duval]

20. We just laughed and laughed at this!

[Proserpina]

24. "Babushka" means head scarf and only in America.

"Babcia" is the correct word for grandmother in Polish.

[Juicy_Bellows]

26. It also means -

Babushka or baboushka or babooshka (from Russian: ба́бушка; IPA: [ˈbabʊʂkə], meaning "grandmother" or "elderly woman&quot

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babushka

Cheers.

[Proserpina]

27. It's slang/derogatory

Comes from Baba, meaning old woman or witch.

[Juicy_Bellows]

29. Well I see your sense of humor is somewhere in the ether.

Best to get it back, otherwise life is void of joy.

Cheers.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

32. Oh OK. That makes sense. Baba Yaga.

The witch who has the little house that walks on chicken legs.

I learned about her from reading stories in Jack & Jill magazine when I was little.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Yaga

[Proserpina]

34. My grandfather used it as an insult

[Manifestor_of_Light]

37. Thank you for informing me.

From the stories I read in Jack&Jill, I got the impression she was a Russian witch.

[Proserpina]

38. He spoke more Russian than Polish

It's a long story

[Fuddnik]

45. Well who is Baba O'Riley?

[notadmblnd]

52. I'm guessing Bill's mother

[Manifestor_of_Light]

70. I have been a Who fan since their early days.

And I have no idea. Lots of people call it "Teenage Wasteland" anyway.

I don't think Baba O'Riley means anything.

[CBGLuthier]

77. It is a takeoff on Meher Baba, Pete Townsend is a follower of his

Townshend showed no predilection for religious belief in the first years of the Who's career. By the beginning of 1968, however, Townshend had begun to explore spiritual ideas. In January 1968, The Who recorded his song "Faith in Something Bigger" (Odds & Sods). Townshend's art school friend Mike McInnerney gave him a copy of C. B. Purdom's book The God-Man, introducing him to the writings of the Indian "perfect master" Meher Baba, who blended elements of Vedantic, Sufi, and Mystic schools.

Townshend swiftly absorbed all of Baba's writings that he could find; by April 1968, he announced himself Baba's disciple. At about this time, Townshend, who had been searching the past two years for a basis for a rock opera, created a story inspired by the teachings of Baba and other writings and expressing the enlightenment he believed that he had received from them, which ultimately became Tommy.[98] Tommy did more than revitalise the Who's career (which was moderately successful at this point but had reached a plateau); it also marked a renewal of Townshend's songwriting and his spiritual studies infused most of his work from Tommy forward, including the unfinished Who project Lifehouse. The Who song "Baba O'Riley", written for Lifehouse and eventually appearing on the album Who's Next, was named for Meher Baba and minimalist composer Terry Riley. His newfound passion was not shared by his bandmates, whose attitude was tolerant, but who were unwilling to become the spokesmen for a particular religion. Few of the thousands of fans who packed stadiums across Europe and the US to see the Who noticed the religious message in the songs: that "Bargain" and the middle section of "Behind Blue Eyes" from Who's Next and "Listening To You" from Tommy were all originally written as prayers, that "Drowned" from Quadrophenia and "Don't Let Go The Coat" from Face Dances were based on Baba's sayings, that the "who are you, who, who, who, who" chorus from the song "
Who Are You" was based on Sufi chants, or that "Let My Love Open The Door" was not a message from a lover but from God.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Townshend#Spirituality

[Richard D]

35. I don't think so.

Babushka

Babushka, or granny, is the mother of a person's father or mother, but in this country the word has numerous shades of meanings. The very word babushka is a diminutive-hypocoristic form of the word baba – an ancient Russian word denoting a married woman. It is not by chance that today the word has acquired its pet suffix – it is in fact an illustration of just how special babushkas are to Russians.

[Ken Burch]

67. I hadn't known that.

Thanks for the info.

[Spirochete]

101. Tish! You spoke French!

[Proserpina]

102. How I love all incarnations (if that's even conceivable) of the Addams Family!

They are the greatest lovers in history.

[mhatrw]

43. 4 Ways Hillary is like your Aunt Jemima

[roguevalley]

55. OMG! BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAA!

[Ken Burch]

66. " 1) She wears a headscarf 'round the house"..."2) She appreciates good pancake syrup".

That's all I got.

[Ed Suspicious]

53. omg, rolling!

[Ken Burch]

63. "7 ways Hillary is just like your MeMaw"

(I'm mentally hearing Sheldon Cooper reading that one to Wil Wheaton).

[JackInGreen]

82. If she was anything like my Gran

she'd have endorsed Bernie already!

[pangaia]

3. "8 Ways Hillary Clinton Is Just Like Your Abuela."

That line is so off-putting..
I mean, why not use Spanish for the entire thing? OR.. English. or..
And that is assuming the whole idea is acceptable.
It is not.

Who does she think she is,
JFK ?

[Scootaloo]

14. And the whole article does that. It's clunky and condescending.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

79. Hillary embarrasses herself again... I almost feel sorry for her (so out of touch).

Maybe Hillary should hire a couple hundred more advisors?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[JackRiddler]

25. JFK was not like anyone's abuela!

So I'm not sure what you mean. Just talk bold and look manly and confident and sexy and rich and generous, with a wife to match. That was enough back then, before niche marketing and viral bullshit.

[pangaia]

28. Not sure what you are getting at.

Ich bin ein Berliner. At least he spoke in a whole sentence.

[JackRiddler]

30. Ah. That wasn't obvious, I'm afraid.

Okay!

[roguevalley]

56. Ich bin ein Berliner

"I'm a donut. A donut. A fucking donut!" -Eddie Izzard

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[pangaia]

59. I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

[roguevalley]

74. He's coming to Anchorage this spring. My family will crawl on our knees if

necessary to see him.

[Divernan]

100. Lucky you! I adore that man.

Saw him live in Pittsburgh a few years back. He is so brilliantly funny!

[LuvLoogie]

4. Los pochos se pusieron muy triste. Pobrecitos.

[okasha]

106. Cuando dicen ellos

"Tengo un sueño, " es una tontería que todo el mundo les persiguen.

[99Forever]

6. K.R

[roguevalley]

7. this soften the candidate stuff usually backfires. She is rich and always

has been. she could never understand what it felt like for me to walk to school with card board in my shoes to hide the holes even though my dad worked from 3am to 9 pm five days a week driving a logging truck from southern oregon to northern california to get at least two logging runs in a day so he could earn $800 tops for a month's work and my mom split shift all week to try and provide for us earning 220$ doing it. She was my hero, my sweet mom and my dad ... oh god. There aren't words. This feels like appropriation of something that is sacred for us ... sacred and OURS, our parents and grandparents for cheap political gain. This is so bad. They are so tone deaf.

[artislife]

39. man they loved you.

Family.

Thank you for letting us have a glimpse.

[roguevalley]

54. it was so mutual, artislife. they died ten months apart, they were such a love

story. Take care and happy holidays.

[artislife]

91. Thanks. nt

[shawn703]

8. Usually only Republicans are that tone-deaf on race

Wow

[Sancho]

12. Huh..how many times is this story on DU? At any rate...

Here's the lineup!!!

http://soaps.about.com/od/Novelas/fl/Univision-Introduces-Four-New-Novelas-for-2015-2016.htm

Enjoy!

[Motown_Johnny]

13. WTF?

Is that link supposed to be some kind of joke?

If you are trying to imply something here please have the courage to spell it out more clearly.

Thanks.

[Sancho]

22. another soap opera...

stay tuned...

[Motown_Johnny]

48. and you picked Univision to make that point?

[roguevalley]

57. their abuela told them too, Motown_Johnny.

Tone deaf extends to supporters too apparently.

[Cassiopeia]

17. Hillary Clinton - Helping Bernie into the WH one day at a time

just by being herself.

It's about time the real Hillary stepped forward.

[artislife]

40. It is as if she is like the old cd clubs

She gifts Bernie at least once a month and sometimes throws in a couple of bonuses.

[DhhD]

96. American Imperialism to set up confiscation instead of a non-violent plan of resettlement and

growth of liberty and life. Whose purposes did Hillary Clinton serve when she was Secretary of State?

Warning: long link:
http://www.countercurrents.org/lucas240407.htm

Deaths In Other Nations Since
WW II Due To US Interventions

more at link

[Enthusiast]

18. I hate to break this to you but everyone that participated in this thread are hereby banned!

Hillary is not a laughing matter!

[Duval]

19. She won't be "UP" in the polls for long

Who on earth told her this was a good idea?

[KittyWampus]

36. "Central American children sent back": 70,000 children w/no parent were sent here.

Central American parents were sending their small children here ALONE.

It wasn't just a few children and it wasn't all children fleeing danger.

And it was grossly irresponsible to send a message this was appropriate.

Clinton drew a distinction last year between migrants who crossed the border illegally for economic or family reasons and refugees whose lives would be in danger if they were deported. She favored returning migrant children to “responsible adults in their families” back in Central America. But she also said that she would not deport children who had “a legitimate claim for asylum” and “would face some terrible danger if they return.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/05/omalleys-immigration-exaggeration/

[artislife]

41. My brother's girl friend

Proudly is working to liberate those kids as we post. They are looking for family here or sponsors.

That is humanity.

[Luminous Animal]

49. Nearly all of the children qualified for asylum even if "responsible adults" are found.

Last year, RAICES carried out more than 2,400 legal intakes for unaccompanied minors in need of lawyers. The group found that 63 percent of these minors were “obvious winners” for claims of asylum or other relief because their circumstances closely paralleled those seen in other, earlier cases in which asylum had been awarded. Even among the rest of the minors, Ryan said the vast majority still had a fighting chance to move forward with a claim for humanitarian relief.

Those assessments are playing out in court. RAICES has won 98 percent of the cases for unaccompanied minors its lawyers have taken on, Ryan says.

“Last summer, when politicians from both parties were making statements that these children were not refugees, that these children all needed to be sent home, my agency was busy speaking with these children,” Ryan told HuffPost. “The same statements that Clinton made last summer are the same statements being made to legitimize the family detention that she is now apparently against. Whether it’s [Republican presidential candidate] Mr. [Donald] Trump or Mrs. Clinton, these knee-jerk statements don’t do anything to protect children, and they certainly don’t do anything to protect vulnerable refugees.”

Ashley Feasley, the advocacy director for Catholic Legal Immigration Network, said her group has had a similar experience.

“We at CLINIC know from representing immigrant children that when they have access to legal representation, they’re usually able to obtain protection under U.S. law -- and that’s because in many cases, these children are fleeing persecution, targeted violence and gang recruitment,” Feasley told HuffPost. “The emergency for unaccompanied minor children is not over now that it’s moved away from the border. It’s now in our courtrooms. We have vulnerable children who cannot access justice in our legal system today. And that’s an emergency.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-child-migrants_55d4a5c5e4b055a6dab24c2f

[Matariki]

42. I admit, I don't get this

Is it somehow Clinton's fault that the economy in Agentina was bad and the writer's family was "forced to resettle in the United States".

The story of her grandmother's life is interesting, but I don't get the anger.

[Number23]

46. Alot of the comments there are saying the same thing that you did

I don't think the "Hillary as abuela" angle is a good tack to take (I don't think it's particularly convincing) but this young woman's post is borderline nonsensical.

The fact that the majority of Huff Post commenters are calling her out for this piece gives you a clue how bad it must be.

[Bonobo]

65. Whoah, Dude... Don't you know denying people's experiences is way bad. You need to listen, man!

Shit, the irony is almost too rich for me.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

72. They forget their hypocrisies from day to day; they think we'll forget too. Fat chance.

And thanks for noticing.

[Number23]

73. Yeah, that's exactly what I did

I said that this woman's experience never happened. I said she was crazy and wrong. I said she was full of it. I questioned her mental health and her very humanity.

I wish I could say that your deliberate attempt at "misunderstanding" what I wrote is ironic, but it's not. Not in the least.

And just in case your "misunderstanding" wasn't deliberate and grand enough, you even got the guy that called BLM activists "subhuman" agreeing with you! Could NOT have asked for a better representation of what passes for "legitimate discourse" from, wait for it... LIBERALS on DU!

Well done! All around!

[Bonobo]

75. You're such a partisan that I no longer take your opinion with much seriousness.

I'm sure the feeling is mutual.

[Number23]

76. BEYOND mutual. But it started eons before you lost your crackers over Bernie

And if you consider me "partisan" and it gets you to float on by the next time you see my moniker, I'll be the most partisany partisan you've ever seen. I will fill this forum with pro-Jesus, Hillary, Obama whoever posts from sun up to sun down. You can count on that.

[Number23]

84. I've never seen people with so little to say say it in such ridiculous ways

All of that overheated melodrama and you've said absolutely nothing.

You came into this thread for the sole purpose of pretending that I said and did something that I didn't do. Now I guess you've abandoned that tactic and have decided to launch this over the top mess as if anything you've said comes CLOSE to making sense or as though I have ever cared what you have to say about anything here.

I have been so loving all of the flame outs lately.

Edit: Would love the jury results on that hidden post if anyone has them

[Cha]

86. Ha! I was just coming to post them anyway..

On Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:30 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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"You're like a cannibal" is straight from the Rush Limbaugh playbook. Number23 is African-American and has an avatar of Coretta Scott King to remind anyone who might have forgotten. This is offensive.

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Excellent reply to him at the end there..

[Number23]

87. Damn, Cha! I swear you are like on every third jury around here!

The wailing and gnashing is just getting ridiculous around here. Like I said, I never seen people with nothing to say have to choose such melodramatic and ridiculous ways to say it.

But to the alerter: I really appreciate your help but that is NOT Corretta Scott King in my avatar!! What on earth were you thinking??!

This is Corretta: (isn't she absolutely STUNNING??)

Here she is a bit older showing that black TRULY don't crack:

My avatar is the famous Portrait d'une Negresse

created in 1800 by French artist Marie-Guillemine Benoist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie-Guillemine_Benoist

Big, BIG difference there, alerter! Happy Christmas to you anyway! Happy Christmas to you too, my sweet Cha.

[Cha]

89. Coretta Scott King is beautiful then and now, 23~ It's really nice to know who your avatar is..

I hadn't heard of the painter Marie-Guillemine Benoist.. wow what an amazing talent she had.

d'une Negresse is a stunning work of art.. and only 215 years later she's represented in your avatar on the internet.. Mind boggling!

Happy Christmas to you, Number23~


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[sabrina 1]

83. Good point Bonobo. Situational ethics comes to mind. Our dirty wars, everywhere, have created

havoc in the lives of mllions, more probably, those who survived them and Hillary, war hawk that she is, thinks people don't get that when American politicians pretend they identify with large voting blocs while at the same time advocating for the US to be the policemen of the world regardless of the horrors we inflict in that, they are not just being ridiculous, they are insulting the intelligence of those whose families suffered under their policies.

Airc, Hillary is a huge admirer of Henry Kissinger. While it appears we have people who don't know a whole lot, or care for that matter when it comes to their biases, about how our foreign policies have affected the people whose nations we have been intervening in, mostly on the side of dictators.

[senz]

103. Please Bonobo

be careful. Just came in and saw what they did to you.

You're a valuable commenter, so please don't let be baited by nasty remarks. It just gives them what they want.

We need you here.

[JunkyardAngel83]

81. I agree.

I have an abuela who I've only been able to meet twice (she lives in Jalisco, I'm in the SF Bay Area) and I think her post is pretty ridic TBH. It would be fine if she were simply sharing her family's story, but it's like... Literally what does any of this have to do with Hillary Clinton? It's not Hillary's fault this young lady's family had to leave her abuela behind in Argentina while the Clintons were living in the White House. Borderline nonsensical is being generous IMO.

[Number23]

85. Even non-unhinged Sanders supporters are saying they don't understand the anger in this OP

Literally what does any of this have to do with Hillary Clinton?

That seems to be the over arching question.

[TheDebbieDee]

47. You're supposed to hate Hillary and not vote for her

because this post convinces you that Hillary doesn't care about anybody's children but her own..... and she lived in the White House, too!

[Dawson Leery]

61. I will be glad when Bernie

loses the primary. The pro-left are just as bad as the Trump supporters.

[Kentonio]

88. What a rude and completely inappropriate smear

If Hillary does win the primary, then I look forward to you getting out the vote by basically calling us racist scum.

[artislife]

92. They think we will just fall in line

There are so many topics they really are seeing through rose colored glasses.

[murielm99]

97. Dawson makes a rude and inappropriate smear?

Oh, that's good, in a thread that is nothing but a rude and inappropriate smear of Hillary. You people need to look in the mirror and listen to yourselves. This thread is the usual bernista hypocrisy. And Merry Christmas to you, too.

[Dawson Leery]

110. +1,000,000

The same bs from 2008. The proleft needs to be slapped down hard.

[WillyT]

60. They Are Talking About Keeping Families Separated... I'm Sure There Are Far Worse Stories...

The dreamers... are NOT happy.

Neither are their families.

This woman is a Yale student going for her Masters...

Imagine the feelings of Latinxs not so fortunate.

[Ken Burch]

64. It's about an privileged Anglo appropriating an intimate bit of Hispanic culture.

And doing so in ways that are sometimes just weird...

I mean, "She reads to you at night"?

[okasha]

90. How strange that you consider it strange

that a Hispanic child''s Noni would read to her/him at night. You seem to be suggesting that older Hispanic women are either unable to read or don't recognize the cultural and educational value of the activity.

Almost this whole thread is a silly exercise in whitesplainin'.

[artislife]

93. How you get that post from the one you are responding to is

very convoluted.

Noni, I believe is Italian from the word nonna. Different ethnicities.

Granted, dark hair and eyes for the most part.

[okasha]

95. I was born in Mexico and live on the Texas-Mexican border.

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in a Hispanic- majority city. A large number of my friends are Hispanic grandmothers whose nieto/as call them either Noni, Nona or Nana.

Your experience, of course, may differ. Indeed I'm sure it does.

[Ken Burch]

104. I meant the image of HRC reading to me at night, not a Hispanic child's Noni.

Hispanics find it offensive, and that settles it for me.

[okasha]

105. Millions of Hispanics remain unoffended.

Lots of white folks seem to be, though, including a few who seem to have suddenly acquired Hispanic relatives. Amazing, the transformations a political campaign can work.

Odd that you should interpret that remark as Hillary reading to you rather than to her own grandchild.

And BTW, Hispanics have a long, close history with Hillary and Bill Clinton, who registered S. Texas voters during the unsettled days of la huelga and la raza unida.

[nc4bo]

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[okasha]

108. Thanks, nc4bo!

Happy Holidays to you!

[nc4bo]

109. You're welcome and same to you! nt

[Nonhlanhla]

69. This is not Hillary's finest moment

But this response seems odd to me. Hillary was not suggesting that her life has been the same as that of this woman's abuela, just that she can relate to grandmotherly things. Hillary can be a tad awkward, and this is most certainly one of those cases. And yes, I can see why this can be perceived as condescending. She deserves to be criticized for this awkward business. But I don't understand this particular criticism.

As an immigrant (non-Hispanic) myself, I know what it is like to be separated from your loved ones. We too were driven here due to economic circumstances. I saw my dad only a handful of times in the last 18 years of his life, and spent only one Christmas with him in all those years. I see my mom every year or two, my cousins and uncles and aunts (to whom I am very attached) once every few years. My daughter is growing up without cousins or grandparents. That is tough. This is not unique to the experience of Hispanics. (Indeed, I envy them the rich cultural presence that they have in the United States. I don't know what it is like to have a community of immigrants that speak my own language all around me.)

From my own experience, I kind of get how this woman feels about her grandmother, but I don't really understand what she is trying to say. It's no more Hillary's fault that her grandmother had a hard life, than that my grandmother had a hard life. Now, to be sure, Hillary did not make an awkward ad about how she's "just like my ouma," so perhaps I just don't get it. But still, all that this ad shows is that Hilary tries too hard to soften her image (I feel kind of sorry for her when she feels she has to do that), and that she can be a bit tone deaf.

[artislife]

94. The immigrant experience is hard and wonderful..

no matter where you are coming from, no matter if it was happy choice or a decision to save the family.

I think this woman wrote this, not really to blame Hillary for the lives they lived because of the state of Argentina, but that it differs so vastly from Hillary and her immediate family's situation.

I am half Native American and Mexican from my father's side and Irish from my mother's side.

The history of my direct ancestors is one of hardship. The Irish side landed in N. Carolina in 1848. The Mexican side crossed the border in 1905 or there abouts and the Native side was pushed onto reservation in 1854 according to this;
http://redcliff-nsn.gov/divisions/TNRD/H.htm

We don't feel the reverberations of the Irish immigration, too many generations removed. The Native and Mexican is still felt. My grandparents lived through it. My grandmother, was naturalized in 1911 long before my grandfather was recognized as an American.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Citizenship_Act
1924.

My grandmother, mi abuela, didn't go to high school, she lived a poor but faithful to the church existence. She lived with my grandfather, who was so wounded by Indian School that he continued a cycle of violence to his son and then unto us. She could not leave him because of her faith, her family and society. She had few options.

We still feel the reverberations of scars, racism, imperialism, dislocation and shame of who we are.

This is not Hilary's experience. That is what I get from all of this "non-scandal" as some stupid poster wrote. It is only a non-scandal if you are not hurt. That is crazy. I empathize with the stories of immigrants all over this world. It is a tough thing to be an outsider to a hostile host.

[ram2008]

71. Not like my abuela... what's next?

Is she gonna show up to a Univision forum in tan-face like Romney did in 2012?

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[Divernan]

98. What about grandmothers of kids mutilated/killed by cluster bombs?

I'm sure they are really Ready for Hillary and would welcome a private meeting with her.