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Curious Choice of Auditor for Democratic Database FlapBy ADAM KLASFELD - CourthouseNewService
Wednesday, December 23, 2015Last Update: 12:25 PM PT
Described as a corporate CIA, the Manhattan-based private intelligence firm Kroll counts big names like Goldman Sachs and Chevron among former clients. Bill Clinton's inclusion on this list might raise eyebrows this election, amid claims that the DNC is playing favorites with the frontrunner in the White House race.
The investigation stems from a software bug that brought down a DNC firewall for 45 minutes on Dec. 16, giving the Sanders campaign a peek at Hillary Clinton's outreach strategies in key battleground states.
DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz retaliated by suspending the Sanders campaign's access a crucial database vendor, NGP VAN, effectively grinding outreach efforts to a halt at the heart of the primary season.
Jeff Weaver, a campaign manager for Sanders, publicly accused the Democratic party of "sabotage" the next day, and Bernie 2016 slapped the DNC with a federal complaint Friday afternoon.
As the candidates made their way to New Hampshire on Saturday for the final Democratic presidential debate of 2015, they and the party seemed eager to put the squabble to bed.
And...
Though hardly a dispassionate voice on the matter, Donziger said he would not classify Kroll as an "objective investigations service."
The firm takes on clients who "have a very specific agenda that requires particular results to be produced regardless of the actual facts," Donziger said in an email.
Neither the candidates nor the Democratic Party would respond to email and phone inquiries about the court case or Kroll's probe.
The DNC has not released any information about the expected length and scope of the audit, or who was responsible for selecting Kroll to lead it.
Link: http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/12/23/curious-choice-of-auditor-for-democratic-database-flap.htm
valerief
(53,235 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)same here.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)I can't think of anything worse at the moment.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)Kroll were responsible for revamping security at the World Trade Center after the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.[16][17] They also took on responsibility for security at Chicago's Sears Tower following the September 11, 2001 attacks.[18] Just prior to the September 11 attacks, Kroll Inc., with the guidance of Jerome Hauer, at the time the Managing director of their Crisis and Consulting Management Group,[19] hired former FBI special investigator John P. O'Neill,[20] who specialized in the Al-Qaeda network held responsible for the 1993 bombing, to head the security at the WTC complex. O'Neill died in the attacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroll_Inc.#WTC_and_Sears_Tower_security
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)LuvLoogie
(8,907 posts)Maybe they should get Uretsky to do the audit.
George II
(67,782 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(131,217 posts)stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Not at all surprised that the Clinton machine also utilizes the old spook network. They really are all part of the nomenklatura.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Good luck to you and your's, and may this be you best holiday season.
Merry Christmas! MMV.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)"You've had a good run here." - Implying it's over "here", or at DU.
People on DU don't generally speak like that. Talk like that sounds like veiled threats... as most here are well aware.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Very interesting comment indeed.
And not to imply that anyone is above a comment based on post counts, but that particular comment stands out due to the difference.
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)...by now, the DNC and NGPVan have manipulated all the audit/log data.
It would be easy to do...
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)as they were with fixing the data issue that caused all this.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)I don't consider this a 'bug'. My opinion, NGP knew exactly what they were doing...
Paulie
(8,464 posts)after it went bankrupt... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altegrity_Risk_International
After their bankruptcy, Alegrity settled with the U.S. Justice Department for $30 million over fraud charges.[4] ARI will become part of the Kroll, Inc. business unit under Altegrity, Inc., as part of a thorough acquisition integration process.[5]
and
Security failures
Altegrity is the company which vetted the security clearance of Edward Snowden.[6]
The U.S. government terminated two major contracts with the company after security intrusions said to be "state-sponsored".[6]
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)I don't trust Kroll. Poppy Bush/Kroll/Bill Clinton. This shit stinks.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)to spend a little of his campaign money to hire his own auditor to oversee things.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)looked at your journal. my spidey sense is tingling, too. this is not good.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)and Hillary supporters called me paranoid for suggesting that the oversight of the audit must be independent from the office of DWS in order to be credible.
I hate being right. Kroll isn't credible or independent on account of their ties to Bill Clinton.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)from one especially backward Clinton supporter, currently on time-out, who apparently has a thing for me. It's getting scary.
Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)My PMs from that member ended when I straight up asked why they were sending me PMs instead of arguing with me in open forum. (They weren't on a timeout then)
If that doesn't work, it's time for Ignore (you can just block the mail if you still want to see what they're saying in the forums.)
bvf
(6,604 posts)But an ignore won't be necessary at this point. Seems the hammer has come down, if I'm not mistaken.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)I think we're all feeling it and that's a good thing in my view.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)just must LOVE the appearance of impropriety.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)NJCher
(43,516 posts)Christie spent $8 million on an internal investigation on Bridgegate which found him completely blameless for shutting down the George Washington Bridge. The taxpayers footed the bill of the $8 million (no wonder my property taxes went up to $15,000 this year, on an ordinary middle class house).
I'm sure Gibson Dunn & Crutcher will be happy to take the job!

Cher
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)which grew out of the huge rift between Arthur Andersen and Andersen Consulting some years ago.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Just no. This is not a curious choice. It is a voice echoing the stupid judgement that made this investigation necessary. It is a fixed choice.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Otherwise, it's just hiring a Yes Man to rubber stamp and lend faux-credibioity to the DNC's
skullduggery.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Good to see.
bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)I love it.
Duval
(4,280 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Or Poe's law in action.
It won't matter anyway. When Bernie wins the damn thing they can all kiss our ass.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)I certainly hope Bernie didn't agree to that!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Uncle Joe
(65,515 posts)Thanks for the heads up, WillyT.
philly_bob
(2,433 posts)I would have rather seen a law firm chosen, not a military security outfit.
NJCher
(43,516 posts)Christie hired a law firm and they pulled a stunt that is so amateurish it would take your breath away: they did an investigation and took no notes!
See this link, where judge expresses disgust for this tactic:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/judge_slams_christie_law_firm_in_internal_bridgega.html

Cher
Blus4u
(608 posts)they hired a black bag ops fixer.
So the DNC doesn't even care about the appearance of impropriety.
They only care about the Clinton agenda.
Peace
Melissa G
(10,170 posts)Stinks to high heaven!
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Pay particular attention to #14...
Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
From Liberty Forum
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_constitution&Number=642
109&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1&t=-1
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)OUR ELECTION. Not the party's, not the corporation's, and not the Clinton's.
I am so sick of this shit. Everything is fixed. Everything has been fixed for so so long.
Merry Christmas
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)Melissa G
(10,170 posts)in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Calling Anonymous! Bernie needs you!
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)JeffHead
(1,186 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
AzDar
(14,023 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)If the Kroll/DNC audit shows it was the Hillary campaign they'll just bury it.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)It was in October 2015 that Sanders' campaign reported a security glitch in the software DNC was using to store proprietary campaign data.
pa28
(6,145 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-dnc-suspension/
The audit would determine who was responsible.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Is that allegation part of the Sanders' federal lawsuit?
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Come on people!
We all know this entire thing was a set up.
Did we really think that they would hire a firm that wasn't filled with their corporate henchmen buddies, who are known for producing pre-determined, concocted results?
What a joke!
More low-class shenanigans will only further galvanize Sanders supporters. These corrupt sociopaths serve to remind us how important it is that a good, decent, honest man like Bernie wins the democratic nomination.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)tbh, I am shocked that they would be that brazen. My god their contempt for us is stunning.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)mountain grammy
(29,208 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)the way we did before using both of the DNC numbers and shut them down again.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)NJCher
(43,516 posts)As to how Bernie reacts to this.
So far he has never disappointed me.
It will be most interesting.

Cher
WillyT
(72,631 posts)please_read
(11 posts)DWS needs an ousting.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)And...
Welcome to DU !!!
Glad ta have ya aboard.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)DWS is an asshat, btw.
George II
(67,782 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
George II
(67,782 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)the concept of objectivity, without which the prior concept of an audit means absolutely nothing.
Understand?
I didn't think so.
George II
(67,782 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)with more than sufficient understanding, thanks.
Want to compare notes? Go ahead.
cali
(114,904 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Sleazy folks absolutely hate it!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)on there instead of Bill Clinton? That wouldn't raise ANY alarms in your head?
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)auditor.
Each candidate's auditor can oversee the entire process. Sen. Sanders, being the outcast, should especially have his own team overseeing the process.
Otherwise it's all bullshit.
murielm99
(33,083 posts)shout about a conspiracy theory, yell that it is HRC's fault. Yet, the one guilty of the wrongdoing, namely Bernie's campaign, is as pure as the driven snow. We have fallen into bizzarro world.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Hillary/DWS could hardly have reached any deeper into the Dark Side on this one.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts).... they should conduct the independent audit via an on-line poll! Now that will reveal the truth!
Duval
(4,280 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Well, Doctor, what have we gota Republic or a Monarchy?
A Republic, if you can keep it.
Link: http://www.bartleby.com/73/1593.html
glinda
(14,807 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)No one left to fight against it.
Did you ever think you would hear some defend the poor, innocent lil' predator bankie-wankies for the Great Crash of 07!? Instead they try to place the blame squarely on the prey.
Talk about trifling behaviors. That's what we're up against
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)Just the "appearance of impropriety" was avoided.
Not so much anymore.
Jarqui
(10,924 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:18 AM - Edit history (3)
Kroll, Our history
http://www.kroll.com/en-us/who-we-are/history
Kroll is currently owned by Corporate Risk Holdings, LLC, which is also the parent company of two separately-managed information service businesses: HireRight and Kroll Ontrack. The majority shareholders of Corporate Risk Holdings are certain investment funds, including funds managed by Third Avenue Management LLC, Litespeed Management LLC and Mudrick Capital Management LP.
Mark Williams, President & CEO of the related Kroll Ontrack is a 2016 Clinton campaign donor.
Michael Cabonargi, Associate Managing Director of Kroll is a 2016 Clinton campaign donor.
William C. Nugent, Regional Managing Director of Kroll was a 2008 Clinton donor
Third Avenue Management Holdings LLC donated to Hillary's 2008 campaign
http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/A_EMPLOYER_C00431569.html
These may well be various employees from the same company
THIRD AVE MANAGEMENT 6,900.00
THIRD AVE MANAGEMENT LLC 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE HOLDINGS LLC 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE MANAGEMENT 4,600.00
THIRD AVENUE MANAGEMENT LLC 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE MGMNT 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE MGMNT LLC 2,300.00
Martin J. Whitman, CFA, Chairman and Portfolio Manager of Third Avenue Management LLC
http://thirdave.com/who-we-are/people/investment-team-2/
appears to have been donating to Hillary since 2000
Third Avenue Management may have been a lobbyist in 2006
THIRD AVENUE MANAGEMENT PRIVATE FOUNDATION (Third Ave Mgmt LLC is the contributor to this)
https://www.citizenaudit.org/261865570/
509(a)(1) Purpose of grantlcontribution General 8. Unrestricted -E .4 W I.
Name WILLIAM J CLINTON FOUNDATION
Street 610 PRESIDENT CLINTON AVE, 2ND FL City State Zip Code
LITTLE ROCK AR
- another Clinton Foundation Donor that is missed on the Clinton Foundation donor list
http://omegaworldnews.com/?p=16874
Jason Mudrick is a hedge fund manager and the founder and current President and Chief Investment Officer of Mudrick Capital Management. who gave Clinton $2,700 in 2008 and 2016. And he managed to scrape up $50,000-$100,000 for the poor, cash starved Clinton Foundation.
http://omegaworldnews.com/?p=16874
That looks a little fishy for an impartial auditor, doesn't it?
EDIT: (I didn't see any of them donating to Sanders - could have missed one ..)
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Thanks for posting.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)From an article dated 12/19, right after terms to restore access to the master list were decided:
As part of the agreement, the Sanders campaign agreed to an audit of its data, which will be carried out by corporate investigation firm Kroll, according to a Democrat familiar with the outcome. The Democrat also told POLITICO that the Sanders campaign had agreed to sign an affidavit attesting to the actions of its staffers during the data breach.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/sanders-campaign-threatens-to-sue-dnc-216942#ixzz3vD8TC5Lz
But I'm sure an established, respectable outfit like "Courthouse News" wouldn't resort to clickbait outage for page views...
Wait, how many recs does this thread have again?
murielm99
(33,083 posts)I couldn't tell much about them. Do you know anything? I wondered why this source was being used, instead of something better known.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)murielm99
(33,083 posts)It told me very little, but thank you for your reply.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)After it says "agreed to an audit of it's data" there's a big fat COMMA, before continuing
"which WILL be carried out by .. Kroll" so technically this does NOT say Sanders
agreed to Kroll as the choice, or even that he knew who was going to do the audit, just that
he agreed to the audit.
pengu
(462 posts)This is disgusting but hardly surprising.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)They never do the right thing.
LuvLoogie
(8,907 posts)The Revolution will not be compromised!
MineralMan
(151,540 posts)Please name your favorite. Thanks.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Hopefully Sanders isn't buying this..
treestar
(82,383 posts)How does all the complaining get him any votes?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Not a good quality for a presidential candidate.
Unknown Beatle
(2,691 posts)Never do anything honestly.
DWS must definitely go and go now! She's ruining the party from the inside out.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)
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