Thu Dec 24, 2015, 11:50 AM
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Author | Time | Post |
 15 Fundamental DIFFERENCES Between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton (Original post) |
Segami | Dec 2015 | OP |
| JackInGreen | Dec 2015 | #1 | |
| rhett o rick | Dec 2015 | #62 | |
| nxylas | Dec 2015 | #86 | |
| Android3.14 | Dec 2015 | #2 | |
| Matariki | Dec 2015 | #17 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #46 | |
| Fantastic Anarchist | Dec 2015 | #64 | |
| zentrum | Dec 2015 | #65 | |
| Katashi_itto | Dec 2015 | #3 | |
| awake | Dec 2015 | #4 | |
| Motown_Johnny | Dec 2015 | #5 | |
| Segami | Dec 2015 | #6 | |
| Motown_Johnny | Dec 2015 | #7 | |
| Segami | Dec 2015 | #8 | |
| JEB | Dec 2015 | #9 | |
| peacebird | Dec 2015 | #10 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #50 | |
| peacebird | Dec 2015 | #52 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #54 | |
| Proserpina | Dec 2015 | #76 | |
| Enthusiast | Dec 2015 | #79 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #83 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #82 | |
| Enthusiast | Dec 2015 | #78 | |
| fasttense | Dec 2015 | #89 | |
| BeanMusical | Dec 2015 | #75 | |
| peacebird | Dec 2015 | #88 | |
| CharlotteVale | Dec 2015 | #11 | |
| stillwaiting | Dec 2015 | #28 | |
| mmonk | Dec 2015 | #12 | |
| Fuddnik | Dec 2015 | #14 | |
| Bonhomme Richard | Dec 2015 | #22 | |
| mmonk | Dec 2015 | #24 | |
| Old Codger | Dec 2015 | #72 | |
| TekGryphon | Dec 2015 | #38 | |
| mmonk | Dec 2015 | #39 | |
| arcane1 | Dec 2015 | #51 | |
| DisgustipatedinCA | Dec 2015 | #74 | |
| Ned_Devine | Dec 2015 | #80 | |
| Divernan | Dec 2015 | #13 | |
| Segami | Dec 2015 | #21 | |
| stupidicus | Dec 2015 | #15 | |
| Still In Wisconsin | Dec 2015 | #16 | |
| Uncle Joe | Dec 2015 | #18 | |
| valerief | Dec 2015 | #19 | |
| TIME TO PANIC | Dec 2015 | #20 | |
| tokenlib | Dec 2015 | #23 | |
| Cal33 | Dec 2015 | #25 | |
| TekGryphon | Dec 2015 | #26 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #55 | |
| TekGryphon | Dec 2015 | #71 | |
| navarth | Dec 2015 | #73 | |
| beam me up scottie | Dec 2015 | #81 | |
| rhett o rick | Dec 2015 | #63 | |
| farleftlib | Dec 2015 | #27 | |
| Duval | Dec 2015 | #29 | |
| George II | Dec 2015 | #30 | |
| farleftlib | Dec 2015 | #31 | |
| George II | Dec 2015 | #34 | |
| farleftlib | Dec 2015 | #36 | |
| TekGryphon | Dec 2015 | #37 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #45 | |
| George II | Dec 2015 | #60 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #66 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #57 | |
| George II | Dec 2015 | #59 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #67 | |
| George II | Dec 2015 | #69 | |
| stupidicus | Dec 2015 | #35 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #56 | |
| Name removed | Dec 2015 | #32 | |
| bvf | Dec 2015 | #33 | |
| jalan48 | Dec 2015 | #40 | |
| uponit7771 | Dec 2015 | #41 | |
| Kokonoe | Dec 2015 | #42 | |
| EndElectoral | Dec 2015 | #43 | |
| JDPriestly | Dec 2015 | #44 | |
| Segami | Dec 2015 | #53 | |
| WillyT | Dec 2015 | #47 | |
| red dog 1 | Dec 2015 | #48 | |
| Broward | Dec 2015 | #49 | |
| senz | Dec 2015 | #58 | |
| bvar22 | Dec 2015 | #61 | |
| Scuba | Dec 2015 | #85 | |
| bvar22 | Dec 2015 | #90 | |
| Scuba | Dec 2015 | #91 | |
| antigop | Dec 2015 | #68 | |
| cascadiance | Dec 2015 | #70 | |
| Enthusiast | Dec 2015 | #77 | |
| Scuba | Dec 2015 | #84 | |
| Betty Karlson | Dec 2015 | #87 |
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 11:57 AM
1. I want to know where she stands on the omnibus
Response to Android3.14 (Reply #2)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:17 PM
46. So true. Instead of responses with substance arguing in favor of Hillary's views on the issues,
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #46)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 08:32 PM
64. It reminds me of the reactionaries that only root, root, root for the home team ...
Response to Android3.14 (Reply #2)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 08:34 PM
zentrum (9,864 posts)
65. Oh Man—you said it!
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:00 PM
4. Still on the fence but this is making me lean Bernie's way
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:04 PM
5. #2 needs to be edited
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http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/bernie-sanders-was-full-gay-equality-40-years-ago
^snip^ CIVIL LIBERTIES Bernie Sanders Was for Full Gay Equality 40 Years Ago Letter from 1970s shows Sanders was way ahead of this curve. 
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Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:50 PM
10. 16. Sanders is honest. "We came, we saw, he died" is not. (Dodging sniper fire?)
Response to peacebird (Reply #10)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:37 PM
50. The mistakes that Hillary and Obama made in their policies in Syria, Libya and with their
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #50)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:11 PM
52. Oh my... That I had not read before. She is even more of a disaster than I imagined.
Response to peacebird (Reply #52)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:30 PM
54. Yes. I suspected this, but did not know the facts.
Response to Proserpina (Reply #76)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 01:56 AM
79. The most essential thing we could gain as a society is an ethical compass.
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #54)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 01:53 AM
78. Huge +1! You sure nailed this one, "Politics is partly storytelling. Mythmaking"
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The storytelling has reached a high level.
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Response to peacebird (Reply #10)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 01:22 AM
75. She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary too.
Response to BeanMusical (Reply #75)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:50 AM
88. Egads, she actually DID claim that....
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:55 PM
11. Bernie is on my side. Clinton is not.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:01 PM
12. Yeah, I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves
Response to mmonk (Reply #12)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:26 PM
22. Honestly I think it is fear of losing the general....
Response to Bonhomme Richard (Reply #22)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:32 PM
24. Truth. Change doesn't occur without risk.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:08 PM
13. Thanks for this concise, powerful list.
Response to Divernan (Reply #13)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:22 PM
21. Oh thank you Divernan!
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I am very touched by your kind words......let me also extend to you a most wonderful Christmas/Festive Holiday and I too, will be roasting and toasting the election of the future 45th President Of The United States, Bernie Sanders!
Thank you and cheers....   |
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:18 PM
Uncle Joe (55,224 posts)
18. Kicked, recommended and bookmarked.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:21 PM
20. The line in the sand couldn't be clearer.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:30 PM
23. I'd add Social Security expansion vs Third Way entitlement deform..
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:48 PM
26. This is like "Baby's First Politics"
Response to TekGryphon (Reply #26)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:42 PM
55. Please provide links to Hillary's positions if you think they are not properly represented.
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #55)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 10:19 PM
71. I got to #2 and I'm already smelling BS.
Response to TekGryphon (Reply #71)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 02:04 AM
81. Link to your proof that Bernie "opposed marriage equality" like Tarrant? Tia!
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:58 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
30. A rather selective and highly subjective group of "differences".
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For some of those points, where Sanders presumably was for or against something "sooner", Clinton wasn't in a position to publicly express an opinion at the time. Doing something "before" someone else is no big deal.
As for #8. "Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton did not." , do you think it's fAIR and REASONABLE to say that Clinton didn't introduce legislation to overturn a Supreme Court Decision that was issued AFTER she had already left the Senate? As for #11, that's not true (he has waged personal attacks) although he leaves most of that to his supporters. Here are a few more to ponder: Clinton has never lost a general election, Sanders has. Clinton earned more votes in her very first election (3.7 million) than Sanders has earned in his entire political career. Clinton has voted for gun control every chance she has, Sanders has not. Clinton is in favor of repealing legislation that protects gun manufacturers, Sanders is not AND he voted for that legislation. Clinton has been a DEMOCRAT for more than four decades, Sanders has not and he still doesn't consider himself a Democrat (although he's using the resources of the Democratic Party for "political gains"  .
See how easy it is to counter such "lists"? |
Response to farleftlib (Reply #31)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:14 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
34. Sanders has never respected ANY "wing" of the Democratic Party...
Response to farleftlib (Reply #36)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:32 PM
37. You're right. They're points. Talking points.
Response to TekGryphon (Reply #37)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:14 PM
45. So . . . which of the points in the OP do you disagree with?
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #45)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 07:21 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
60. Well, I pointed out a few that were questionable AND one that was absolutely...
Response to George II (Reply #60)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 08:39 PM
66. Here are my responses:
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As for #8. "Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton did not." , do you think it's fAIR and REASONABLE to say that Clinton didn't introduce legislation to overturn a Supreme Court Decision that was issued AFTER she had already left the Senate?
Citizens United was decided, I believe, in response to a lawsuit filed by Hillary. But she has not stood really strongly in favor of the constitutional amendment required to change that decision. She is not weak on this issue, but Bernie is much stronger. As for #11, that's not true (he has waged personal attacks) although he leaves most of that to his supporters. Bernie has not waged personal attacks. He has defended Hillary. We voters have the responsibility for differentiating between the candidates. When we criticize a candidate, it is part of our job as voters. Bernie does not wage and has not waged personal attacks. Here are a few more to ponder: Clinton has never lost a general election, Sanders has. Neither candidate has run in a general election. Sanders lost elections in the early years of his career. He was elected mayor of Burlington, Vt. 4 times. He has served in Congress since the very early 1990s. Hillary ran twice for the Senate and served one term plus a portion of a second term. In terms of election success, Bernie is by far the better candidate. He learned from his early failures. Hillary lost in 2008 in the primary -- lost big. Clinton earned more votes in her very first election (3.7 million) than Sanders has earned in his entire political career. Irrelevant. Bernie has won far more times, far more different elections and based on a much longer personal record of public service than has Hillary. Clinton has voted for gun control every chance she has, Sanders has not. Sanders did not vote for gun control measures that he believed were deficient. I agree with his view on gun control. I have family members who live in rural areas and hunt for food, for sport and to protect their properties. Clinton is in favor of repealing legislation that protects gun manufacturers, Sanders is not AND he voted for that legislation. Gun manufacturers are entitled to the same legal protections as other manufacturers in my view. I favor background checks although I have some difficulty with the idea of declining gun ownership based on mental health issues because many mental health issues should not disqualify people from being able to protect themselves in their homes and diagnoses can be wrong. Also, some people outgrow certain mental illnesses. I don't think that some of the most dangerous attitudes and mental problems are not easily or often diagnosed. So the refusal of a gun permit based on a mental health diagnosis may be quite useless. It may miss people like some of the right-wing terrorists and in an overbroad way include people who are harmless. Do you really think that a racist, a rabid racist should be allowed to have a gun while someone who is perhaps confused but not angry should not? I'm just not sure that will help much. Still I support gun licensing. As for gun manufacturers, if there is something wrong with the gun or if it was manufactured so as not to meet basic safety regulations and standards, then the manufacturer should be liable. Otherwise not. That's the same as the law for all manufacturers although there are exceptions for certain manufacturers other than gun manufacturers. The purpose of a gun is to kill. We should not make gun manufacturers liable just because their product does what it is made to do. We should educate the public about the problems with guns and rely on their self-interest to cause them not to buy or have them unless they need them. Clinton has been a DEMOCRAT for more than four decades, Sanders has not and he still doesn't consider himself a Democrat (although he's using the resources of the Democratic Party for "political gains" .
Irrelevant. Sanders has caucused with Democrats for years -- and voted with them. More troubling are the people who call themselves Democrats and belong to Democratic organizations but vote with Republicans. Lieberman was a prime example. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #57)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 07:15 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
59. Are you saying Sanders never said these things?
Response to George II (Reply #59)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 08:53 PM
67. No. I'm saying that considering the corruption in the Democratic Party now, I really don't
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #67)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 09:46 PM
George II (67,782 posts)
69. Those statements were made decades ago (the first back in 1986, 29 years ago!)
Response to George II (Reply #30)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:53 PM
56. Hillary has only run for election two times, and only after her husband served in the White House.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:50 PM
jalan48 (13,692 posts)
40. To me the biggest difference is that Bernie doesn't think it's his turn.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:03 PM
uponit7771 (88,623 posts)
41. Hillary beats Sanders hands down if the things Hillary voters value is on that list.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:05 PM
42. Enough with the Hillary does not support me threads!
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:13 PM
43. Hillary supports military regime change while Sanders does not.
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:10 PM
44. What a bout free college tuition at state colleges -- Sanders has introduced a bill to provide
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #44)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:27 PM
53. Thanks JDPriestly....
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Absolutely!....more differences.
I hope others will continue sharing and posting more Bernie/Hillary differences. In a couple of days, I will collect all the postings and update this list and re-post it to this board.  
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Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 04:25 PM
49. Clinton supporters are aghast that some Bernie backers said they won'vote for Hillary in the general
Response to Segami (Original post)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 07:32 PM
61. You could edit your OP, and everywhere you said "Hillary",
Response to Scuba (Reply #85)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 02:12 PM
90. It is shocking to se that list of Hillary's Issues,
