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[BooScout]

1. *sigh*

[ismnotwasm]

2. Yeah.

[MADem]

9. Do not let this sort of silly flail trouble you...

Chalk it up to "Desperate times call for desperate measures!"

[liberalnarb]

12. How is it silly?

Its just shows who's been fighting the good fight the longest.

[guillaumeb]

3. Some facts about the CRA of 1964

1. More Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act than Democrats

In the 1960s, Congress was divided on civil rights issues -- but not necessarily along party lines.
Most people don't realize that today at all -- in proportional terms, a far higher percentage of Republicans voted for this bill than did Democrats, because of the way the Southerners were divided," said Purdum.

The division was geographic. The Guardian's Harry J. Enten broke down the vote, showing that more than 80% of Republicans in both houses voted in favor of the bill, compared with more than 60% of Democrats. When you account for geography, according to Enten's article, 90% of lawmakers from states that were in the Union during the Civil War supported the bill compared with less than 10% of lawmakers from states that were in the Confederacy.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/politics/civil-rights-act-interesting-facts/

It was after the passage of the CRA of 1964 that the Democratic South became the GOP South. Many Southern Democrats changed parties and became GOP Congress members.

[CorporatistNation]

4. History Is CLEAR on This Comparison!!!

Hillary was a ... YOUNG REPUBLICAN FOR GOLDWATER...

What is Hillary Now??? Record NOT Rhetoric...

[Thinkingabout]

33. A very young "Republican", in fact she was a 16 and had just become 17 a few

Short days before the 1964 election.

What was Sanders doing for Civil rights in 1957?

[yeoman6987]

5. 100 percent true

My gosh the democratic governor of Alabama was on the wrong side of history.

[MADem]

11. Gee, so HILLARY was on the right side of history in 1964, supporting the Civil Rights Act....

AND on the right side of ending the Vietnam War, with her support for Gene McCarthy, in 1968~!!!

[Thinkingabout]

34. Yes, a good post.

[okasha]

6. Funny how people change.

One of the candidates applied for conscientions objector classification in the draft, then hotfooted it to Israel several thousand miles away from his draft board until he was past eligibility at 26.

That same one time "conscientious objector" now supports outrageously expensive war machines, including drones , which kill indiscriminately.

Funny how people change.

[Ino]

26. Please provide a link...

showing that Sanders "hotfooted it to Israel...until past eligibility"

The timeline I find...
Graduated college in 1964
After graduation, spent 6 months on a kibbutz
Married between 1964-1966
Applied for conscientious objector status (cannot find a date for this application)
Application for CO status was rejected, but Sanders was already 26 by then (he was 26 in 1967)

I don't see that he was in Israel between the six-month stint after his 1964 graduation and turning 26 in 1967.

The only place I see the (unanswered) question raised "did Bernie go to Israel to avoid the draft" is on FREE REPUBLIC.

Please provide a credible source for your assertion.

[Thinkingabout]

36. When the marriage exemption left he had a son to continue his exemption.

[JonLeibowitz]

64. Are you implying he was intentionally draft dodging?

By the by, have you ever registered for the selective service? It is truly a terrifying thing to do.

Here is Jim Webb tackling the issue. Perhaps it can give you a little perspective

COOPER: Secretary (sic) Webb, you served in Vietnam. You’re a marine. Once a marine, always a marine. You served as a marine in Vietnam. You’re a decorated war hero. You eventually became secretary of the navy. During the Vietnam War, the man standing next to you, Senator Sanders, applied for status as a conscientious objector. Given his history, can he serve as a credible commander-in-chief?

WEBB: Everybody makes their decisions when the time there is conscription. And as long as they go through the legal process that our country requires, I respect that. And it would be for the voters to decide whether Senator Sanders or anyone else should be president. I will say this, coming from the position that I’ve come from, from a military family, with my brother a marine, my son was a marine in Iraq, I served as a marine, spending five years in the Pentagon, I am comfortable that I am the most qualified person standing up here today to be your commander-in-chief.

[Agschmid]

7. So Hillary is a racist then?

Merry Christmas to you too...

Another big unrec.

[liberalnarb]

14. Thanks for the kick

Merry Christmas

[MADem]

8. Sanders also left the country. Hillary was a kid. Funny how you try to pretend they are of the

same generation because they aren't. While she was pleasing her father as a high school kid, he had already graduated from college and stashed himself abroad:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.674364
http://forward.com/news/320344/my-quixotic-hunt-for-bernie-sanders-kibbutz/

It's odd how Sanders does not want to talk about this.

By 1968 Hillary was supporting EUGENE McCARTHY.

Kinda ruins your narrative.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/hillary-worked-for-goldwater/

Putting a high school kid in 1964 up against a college grad...yeah, that's real smooth!

[liberalnarb]

16. Well you don't to look much father back than 2003

when Hillary voted for the Iraq war. She also didn't evolve on gay marriage until 2010, she praised the repeal of Glass-Steagall. She supported the TPP and NAFTA. She opposed the carbon tax (Bernie PROPOSED the Carbon Tax). She also supported the wars in Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria. I don't care if there is a D next to her name now, shes still holding on to the way her parents raised her.

[MADem]

28. Yes, and every year after that, when Bernie voted to FUND that war--let's look, shall we?

Let's look at his his recent love affair with Lockheed Martin, too, while we're at it. He loves everything about them, from Sandia Labs, where they make atomic weapons, to their Predator drones....

But hey--since you foolishly think you're playing "GOTCHA" with the Goldwater Girl reference, why don't you watch this video:

See? That's a Big Bad SECRET to you, and you alone. It was asked and answered eons ago.

[liberalnarb]

29. Which war did Bernie vote to fund?

[liberalnarb]

37. My parents are republicans.

I knew I was a Democrat in Middle School. As soon as I found out what trickle down was, I began questioning it.

[Reter]

10. In one of my first elections, I was a huge Bob Dole supporter in 1996

I guess I'll be a piece of shit for the rest of my life.

[MADem]

13. You and Elizabeth Warren. She was a registered Republican in 1996~! She got over it, finally. nt

[liberalnarb]

15. Way to attack Liz!

Shows how progressive you guys are.

For the record considering Liz's record when it comes to the issues I don't care how long shes been a Democrat. On the other hand, Hillary is still hanging on to hawkish republican leanings.

[NCTraveler]

17. You can't even stomach your own argument.

Pure gold.

[Agschmid]

51. +1

[MADem]

38. Who's "attacking" MY SENATOR? Sounds like YOU are. Are you saying she lied, or what?

If you're going to accuse people of "attacking" you'd better know what you're talking about.

In this case it is quite obvious that you are at a loss when it comes to facts:


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/04/27/3431303/warren-left-gop/
Why Elizabeth Warren Left The GOP

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) told George Stephanopoulos Sunday that she left the Republican Party in the mid-90s because it was tilting the playing field in favor of Wall Street.
Warren has quickly become a populist hero to liberals. Stephanopoulos, host of ABC’s The Week, noted something in her background that “might surprise” her supporters: the fact that she has voted Republican in the past, and was a registered Republican in Pennsylvania from 1991 to 1996. Warren said she left the party after that because she felt it was siding more and more with Wall Street:

I was an independent. I was with the GOP for a while because I really thought that it was a party that was principled in its conservative approach to economics and to markets. And I feel like the GOP party just left that. They moved to a party that said, “No, it’s not about a level playing field. It’s now about a field that’s gotten tilted.” And they really stood up for the big financial institutions when the big financial institutions are just hammering middle class American families. I just feel like that’s a party that moved way, way away.

Now, what was that little slur on our "progressive" bona fides? Something wrong with telling the TRUTH, is that it?

I guess all those "Hawkish Republican Leanings"" you're babbling about came from her time working for Gene McCarthy and George McGovern....hmmmm? Or do you even know who those guys are...?

[liberalnarb]

40. No those hawkish republican leanings come from her support for the Iraq war and voting along side

the repukes all throughout her time in the Senate. A D.I.N.O at heart. Not too trustable.

[MADem]

43. Like Bernie's support for the Iraq war, EVERY. Single. YEAR. after he pompously voted "No."

Every year thereafter, he voted to FUND that war, to shovel all that money at the MIC.

Yeah, what a gutsy guy--he went quite quickly over the course of only a few years from anti-war representative to pro-weapons, pro-drones, pro-limited conflict, VERY best friend of Lockheed Martin!

[liberalnarb]

45. Bernie did not support the Iraq war. Thats bullshit.

He took a firm stance against the Iraq war in the senate and voted against it. Unlike Hillary, he didn't buy the Bush/Cheney rhetoric.

Hillary also added that she casted that vote in CONFIDENCE. Oops.

[MADem]

47. Oh, yes he did. If he didn't support that war, he wouldn't have voted to FUND it every year.

He had to vote yes, in order to cement his relationship with Lockheed Martin.

He's a pragmatist, that Bernie. Never met a drone he didn't like...especially if they're Predators.

[liberalnarb]

53. So Bernie voted to fund the Iraq war.

Please provide a link. Even so it still stands, him and Barack Obama were two out of a very small number of people with the guts to vote against the Iraq war from the beginning.

[MADem]

55. Go to Thomas.gov and check for yourself. You'll see--he voted to fund that war every year. nt

[SunSeeker]

18. Hillary went to see MLK speak in 1962, long before Bernie did.

After hearing Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. speak in 1962, Hillary began to develop strong opinions about civil rights, social justice, and the Vietnam War. By 1968, she was exploring the political landscape and working for politicians of both parties. She supported Eugene McCarthy's (D-Minn) presidential campaign, served as a summer intern for the House Republican Conference (attending the Republican National Convention as a volunteer to draft Nelson Rockefeller), and witnessed the protests at the Democratic National Convention in Chicago. Before the end of that year, she decided to leave the Republican Party -- or as she later put it, "it left her."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/biography/clinton-hillary/

But hey, at least your graphic was corrected to say he "marched to" instead of "march with" MLK, since Bernie is the first to admit he did not march with MLK. He just went to hear him speak in DC in August of 1963, standing "way in the back" as Bernie puts it.

Hillary was introduced to politics by her Republican father. She never voted for Goldwater, she was too young to vote at that time. But you want to focus on a few years when she was a teenager and too young to vote, because it suits your anti-Hillary propaganda. When she became an adult, she chose otherwise. So let's talk about the candidates when they were actually voting adults, shall we?

Funny how you don't ask what our candidates were doing in the 1970s, when both were voting adults.

By 1972, Hillary was out in the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, registering poor Latinos to vote, working with the 1972 presidential campaign of Democrat George McGovern:

Even for a candidate who has been on the national stage for decades, Clinton’s history with Latino voters goes back a surprisingly long way.

In 1972, when a young Hillary and Bill Clinton were working the ill-fated George McGovern campaign, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-has-deep-history-with-latinos-and-theres-not#.hbDQ92JD9

What was 31-year-old Bernie doing in 1972? Penning a "stupid" (his campaign's words, http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/28/sanders-vermont-essay/28119669/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=) essay entitled "Man - and Woman" for an alternative Vermont paper. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/young-bernie-sanders-liberty-union-vermont

Hillary has been fighting for civil rights her entire adult life. Bernie appears to have drifted aimlessly until he was about 40 and became a politician.

[liberalnarb]

19. 1972?

Bernie was standing with MLK in 62. 10 years before 72. And Bernie ORGANIZED a separate march to MLK's speech.

[SunSeeker]

21. No, it was Hillary who was "standing with" MLK in 1962.

Bernie did not go see MLK until August of 1963, when MLK appeared in DC for his I Have A Dream speech. Did you even read my post?

[liberalnarb]

20. AND the graphic says that Bernie organized a march to the speech.

This is true. He organized a separate march to see the speech. I did not say he marched WITH MLK.

[SunSeeker]

22. Bernie did not organize MLK's march on DC in 1963.

He just went to it.

[liberalnarb]

24. Thats not what I said at ALL

I said he organized a separate march to get people to MLK's speech in DC

[SunSeeker]

25. I'm sure Bernie did organize his own transportation to DC. nt

[liberalnarb]

27. He organized a group of people who supported MLK's message and together they marched to the site of

the speech. I did not claim he was part of MLK's BIG MARCH. And no, he did way more than just "Organize his own transportation." sorry.

[SunSeeker]

30. So he went with friends. That's nice. nt

[liberalnarb]

31. No, He organized quite a large group.

But you go ahead and keep making annoyingly ignorant comments.

[SunSeeker]

35. No, an ignorant comment is suggesting Hillary is a racist, like your OP did. nt

[MADem]

41. They didn't "march" -- they likely either drove or took buses and trains.

They might have marched to the mall from the train station...

[liberalnarb]

42. Really. What do you have to back up your empty smear?

[MADem]

46. Show me proof that they "marched" from Chicago. I demand it. I INSIST you provide it.

And if you can't provide it, I will have to assume you invented it. Empty smear? Sounds like what you're doing is making unsubstantiated assertions (to put it politely).

Tick tock. I'll wait. Extraordinary claims--like "Bernie marched TO Washingon" demand extraordinary proof.

Cough it up.

[liberalnarb]

49. Fine.

"With fellow activists for his first-ever trip to Washington, D.C. He hears Martin Luther King Jr.’s historic “I Have a Dream” speech firsthand at the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom."
BernieSanders.com

http://pdafund.com/component/k2/item/70-25-things-you-may-not-know-about-bernie-sanders

[MADem]

54. How OLD are you? Don't you realize that the vast majority of the people on the mall that day did

not "march" anywhere? They took buses and trains.

Thousands traveled by road, rail, and air to Washington D.C. on Wednesday, August 28. Marchers from Boston traveled overnight and arrived in Washington at 7am after an eight-hour trip, but others took much longer bus rides from places like Milwaukee, Little Rock, and St. Louis. Organizers persuaded New York's MTA to run extra subway trains after midnight on August 28, and the New York City bus terminal was busy throughout the night with peak crowds.[53] A total of 450 buses left New York City from Harlem. Maryland police reported that "by 8:00 a.m., 100 buses an hour were streaming through the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel."[54]

The "event" in Washington, DC, on the mall, organized by MLK and a number of leading lights in our civil rights struggle, was called The March on Washington For Jobs and Freedom.


You still wanna die on that hill? Bernie organized a "march" from Chicago?

The overwhelming majority of those attendees "marched" from their buses to the lawn on the mall. If you want to say he organized that "march," you knock yourself out!

smh!

[Juicy_Bellows]

23. I'm liberal but to a degree

I want everybody to be free
But if you think that I’ll let Barry Goldwater
Move in next door and marry my daughter
You must think I’m crazy!
I wouldn’t let him do it for all the farms in Cuba!

[senz]

39. (: Still runs through my mind

[Juicy_Bellows]

60. Me too.

Any time Goldwater comes up!

[senz]

32. Bernie's values and convictions are real and lasting.

He doesn't operate from a sense of expediency.

[MADem]

44. OK, that was funny.

They're laughing up a storm in the Lockheed Martin boardroom!

[senz]

56. Lockheed Martin paid Hillary $250, 000 for arms export approvals

because she gives favors for kickbacks.

Bernie might approve a contract that helps the state of Vermont, but he doesn't take kickbacks for himself.

Hillary's all about the kickbacks. That's your candidate. You have to live with that. So live with it.

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

[MADem]

59. They didn't pay Hillary a dime. Even your link doesn't prove what you say it does.

You need to do better than to tell a falsehood and then provide a link that doesn't back up what you claim.

My candidate is all about real people and real solutions. Not pie in the sky and Free This and Free That, none of which will pass Congressional scrutiny.

[senz]

63. Not true, MADem. Direct quote:

In all, governments and corporations involved in the arms deals approved by Clinton’s State Department have delivered between $54 million and $141 million to the Clinton Foundation as well as hundreds of thousands of dollars in payments to the Clinton family, according to foundation and State Department records. The Clinton Foundation publishes only a rough range of individual contributors’ donations, making a more precise accounting impossible.

Again, I don't envy you having to make excuses for that person.

[NanceGreggs]

48. WOW!!!

I'm SO glad you brought this up - because no one knew that HRC worked for Goldwater when she was a teenager until now!

It's just like that IRW vote - that NO ONE knew about before DU started posting about it!

I predict this post will be that proverbial game-changer that finally causes HRC supporters to abandon Hillary and support BS instead!

[liberalnarb]

50. Don't forget that Hillary's IRW vote was casted

in "Great confidence" as she put it.

[NanceGreggs]

52. Casted?

But thanks for bringing it up. It's about time people learned about that super-secret vote - that NO ONE knew about before!

DU - always on the cutting edge or late-breaking news!!!

[liberalnarb]

57. I'm sorry, conviction was the word. "I cast it with CONVICTION."

[NanceGreggs]

61. This should be posted in LBN!!!

No one ever knew about this before tonight!!!

[MADem]

62. Perhaps he should Alert The Media....nt

[elleng]

58. Martin O'Malley was born on January 18, 1963.

the child of Barbara (née Suelzer) and Thomas Martin O'Malley.[4] Martin's father served as a bombardier in the U.S. Army Air Force in the Pacific theater during the Second World War, and said he witnessed the mushroom cloud rise over Hiroshima while on a routine mission.[4] Thomas later became a Montgomery County-based criminal defense lawyer, and an assistant United States Attorney for the District of Columbia. O'Malley's father was of Irish descent and his mother has Irish, German, Dutch, and Scottish ancestry.[5][6][7][8] He is a descendant of a War of 1812 veteran, and is an active member of the General Society of the War of 1812.

O'Malley attended the Our Lady of Lourdes School in Bethesda and Gonzaga College High School.[9] He went on to The Catholic University of America, graduating in 1985. Later that year he enrolled at the University of Maryland School of Law, earning his Juris Doctor in 1988 and passing the bar that same year.[10]

[Douglas Carpenter]

65. I support Bernie 100,000% but this is ridiculous

We want people to change their minds, don't we?

I've done and said lots of stupid stuff in my past.

[liberalnarb]

66. I'm Re thinking.

Time to self delete.