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“We have demanded a full investigation from top to bottom,” the adviser said. “Hillary Clinton agreed to it in the debate Saturday, and the DNC continues to stonewall a full investigation....”
The dustup over a data breach that briefly erupted in the Democratic presidential primary last week isn’t over as far as Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and his team are concerned. In a conversation with Yahoo News, a top Sanders campaign adviser made a series of explosive allegations about how the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and a political technology company that works with the party handled the incident. According to the Sanders adviser, the DNC and NGP VAN, a firm that has a contract with the party organization to operate a voter file, have responded to the data breach by “leaking information” and “stonewalling an investigation” into the matter.
“We have demanded a full investigation from top to bottom,” the Sanders adviser said.
Sanders’ adviser noted that a lawsuit the campaign filed in federal court about the data breach last Friday, Dec. 18, is still ongoing, and described it as an attempt to get answers despite the party’s lack of cooperation. According to a blog post published by NGP VAN, the data breach occurred on Wednesday, Dec. 16. The company said it involved a “bug” in the software NGP provides to the DNC. NGP VAN software is used by the DNC to operate a massive file of voter data that is shared by the party and all of the Democratic presidential campaigns. Both campaigns also rely on NGP to store their private files. The data in the shared and private files is essentially the lifeblood of a modern presidential campaign. It includes information vital to campaigns’ day-to-day organizing and strategy, including potential supporters they are targeting and how many voters they expect to turn out in key primary states.
Because of the software issue, members of the Sanders campaign were able to access information that belonged to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. On Dec. 17, news of the incident broke and the Sanders campaign announced it had fired its national data director, Josh Uretsky, for taking advantage of the breach to access data belonging to Clinton. The top Sanders adviser told Yahoo News one of the remaining concerns is that Uretsky was recommended to the campaign by people with ties to the DNC and NGP VAN. “It’s not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual … who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN,” the adviser said. According to the adviser, one of the references that Uretsky gave when he applied to work with the campaign was the DNC’s National Data Director Andrew Brown, who works closely with the shared voter file program. “Andrew Brown spoke to us and gave him a positive review, as did this guy Bryan Whitaker,” the adviser said. The adviser identified Whitaker as the COO of NGP VAN. Whitaker is no longer with the company. His LinkedIn page lists Whitaker as having left the firm for a job at another political data company in August of this year. Uretsky’s LinkedIn says he began working on the Sanders campaign in September.
“I just think it’s utter hypocrisy on their part,” said the adviser. “I mean here we are being attacked for the behavior of an individual, which we ultimately fired. We agree he acted improperly, but it’s just amazing to me that this … individual that actually caused this trouble in our campaign was recommended by these guys.”
The adviser suggested the DNC and NGP VAN are “ignoring their own responsibility,” arguing that Uretsky’s references from people linked to the party and the company show both the DNC and NGP VAN “bear responsibility” for the incident. The world of progressive political consulting is a small one, and, as in other professions, it’s common for people to provide recommendations for those in their network. Still, given what happened with the breach, the adviser suggested Brown’s recommendation of Uretsky could be evidence of a conspiracy. “I don’t know how you can more centrally connect this thing than those two entities,” the adviser explained. “Here we are being attacked by both of those entities when, in fact, they recommended this guy to the campaign.” Though Sanders’ team has not denied there was wrongdoing by members of its staff, it has objected to the fact Clinton’s team went public with its concerns. Sanders’ campaign also has described the DNC’s decision to close it out of the shared file as draconian and part of a pattern that shows the party is unfairly working to help protect Clinton’s frontrunner status in the primary. According to the adviser it was ”outrageous” the Clinton campaign was given the audit logs that it showed to the media and Sanders’ team was not. The adviser said these logs were unquestionably given to the Clinton campaign by NGP VAN or the DNC.
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Segami
(14,923 posts)
madokie
(51,076 posts)Hillary fought dirty in '08 and will continue to fight dirty
Don't get me wrong I'm a 100% Democratic Party Member and will vote for our nominee in the general election but I won't vote for Hillary in the primary. And its shit like what dws and hrc are doing now as the main reason. You can bet your bottom dollar that this is a rovian type trick designed to do exactly what they're doing, They being HRC and DWS
Segami
(14,923 posts)WHY did the DNC, almost immediately, leak this breach to the press all the while "..with the logs in hand, the Clinton campaign was able to make detailed public allegations about improper activity by members of Sanders’ team?..."
WHY didn't the DNC contain this breach quietly and deal with both campaigns privately?
WHAT was there to GAIN by showing 'detailed log activity' by Sanders staff members to the press?
madokie
(51,076 posts)so to speak. I'm not saying literally, rather figuratively
There's some underhanded shit going on and it ain't coming from the Sanders camp, is what I'm saying. In case anyone has a problem understanding what I'm getting at.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)with a halfway open mind that is ... then I'll know I've either met a very dim mind, OR
that the person has NO objectivity whatsoever abiding in their psyche.
On edit: oh, and yes, the "threesome" reference is also totally figuratively speaking.
JEB
(4,748 posts)
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)released the logs without first showing them and providing them to the Sanders campaign.
That's dirty politics if there ever was dirty politics.
I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot -- but not for
Hillary. Not even in the 2016 general election. She does not represent the ethical standards we need in the White House.
The DNC and Hillary need to apologize for their handling of this matter.
Bernie Sanders would not pull such a trick on Hillary's campaign.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Fight on, Bernie!
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madokie
(51,076 posts)Hillary supporters don't want to admit that their candidate is compromised, in so many ways, Many of us remember her from years gone past. if you'll remember one of the first things Hillary admitted upon walking in to the oval office with Bill was she wanted to be in the lead one day. Everything she's done since has been to build a resume that she felt she could ride into the white house on. Nothing she's done is because of any reason other than to build that aura of being presidential, none of it was because it simply was the right thing to do. Evidenced by her many stances on so many different issues. The girl's head must be on a swivel other wise it would have broken off a long long time ago.
But you go ahead and think/believe what you want because we will be waltzing into the white house along with Bernie without you. Bet on it!
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Just like she was before when she was crushing Obama, 'cept that wasn't the case then and isn't the case now.
Its going to be a rough day for you when you realize that what you thought just wasn't to be.
navarth
(5,927 posts)they just come back with more of the same.
madokie
(51,076 posts)but sometimes its fun
I like the excuses some come up with
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Seriously we are not losers yet. Let's see how the primary goes eh? And Clinton supporters are?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Team Clinton looked at the polls where she was considered dishonest so they attacked by claiming Bernie was dishonest.
Just look at the absolute GLEE her supporters demonstrated with that attack.
Some even claimed Bernie supporters were defending criminal activity.
That's the kind of crap Republicans do.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)It must be clear to HRC, DWS, and their ilk that Bernie Sanders is getting more and more support through grassroots efforts. It must be frustrating to DWS that all her efforts to marginalize Senator Sanders are for naught.
When I think of HRC, I am reminded of one of my fave literary quotes:
Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practise to deceive!
(It's no longer surprising to me that the majority of US citizens think "LIAR" when they think of HRC...)
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)The Clinton campaign can only be pulling the bullshit they are because they see the writing on the wall.
It's '08 all over again, maybe by an even bigger margin.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Mitt had to be rejected twice before he took a hint.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Hopefully in a few months Hillary will just fade away from national politics like a cloudy sunset.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)"Frank Underwood." Thanks for that reference.
I watch as our Bernie dominates the social media. I listen to the younglings assert that they WILL be voting, and voting for Bernie.
Then, I see the HRC supporters doubling down on the "data theft," as though it's an issue that will cause people to view Bernie as dishonest. Their efforts are pathetic, and disturbing. Why are these pitiable folk so determined to vilify Bernie in order to support Hillary?
I will never view HRC as a progressive leader in the Democratic Party. Her ties to Wall Street and the corporate oligarchs only promise to increase the wealthiest .01%'s hegemony. That path leads to the complete disintegration of our democracy, and I cannot believe the vast Hoi Polloi will roll over and allow that to happen. I would much rather see Bernie lead us to a peaceful revolution, so we can take back our nation from the corporate megalomaniacs.
Go BERNIE!!!
creeksneakers2
(8,016 posts)for going public but I don't blame Hillary. Do you really think that if Clinton's campaign accessed Sanders files and Sanders found out he wouldn't have used it? If the upcoming audit makes the Sanders side's dream come true and reveals Hillary's people were in Sanders files, do you think the matter should be kept quiet?
I agree that the DNC shouldn't have given the Clinton camp any information that they didn't give to Sanders, and doing that is more evidence of unfairness.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I just realized how thick this plot just got.
You don't just go recommending someone who gets into trouble and as soon as he does, you finger is on the nuke launch button.... Not even due process.
Silly to say, but this shows an incompetence in carrying out dirty tricks. I'd have figured that Clinton handlers would have been a little smarter with their deviant behavior, really.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)The primaries?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It didn't happen.
Bernie is a fighter.
Hillary was really angry about the DFA vote to support Bernie.
She knows what that means for her campaign. It's downhill for her from here once the DFA group starts getting out there for Bernie.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)In fact, is it my imagination, or,, have you gone into overdrive !!!!
Segami
(14,923 posts)....Just taking care of business......
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)I do occasionally do business there.
gordyfl
(598 posts)
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)This whole thing just stinks like a duck pen (nothing stinks worse than duck poop)...and it ain't Sander's campaign that stinks. It's the DNC and Hillary campaign that stink.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)
appalachiablue
(44,026 posts)Thanks for the update.
Duval
(4,280 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Look for more of the same.
SamKnause
(14,899 posts)Yallow
(1,926 posts)You pay your taxes, and a huge percent of the money goes into the Swiss bank accounts of the oligarchs.
Untaxed.
It will take a herculean effort to change this in any way.
Welcome to Fascist Amerika USA!!!!
Bernie and his revolution (us) must be stopped at all cost!
Just ask any Wall Street exec who's job is to maximize profits, regardless of who gets hurt along the way.....
pangaia
(24,324 posts)AH AH !! The plot thickens.!
Bernie new exactly what he was doing when he filed suit!
I do NOT know FOR A FACT what has happened.
However, ,, dum dee dumm dumm.... The ants go marching ten by ten, hooraaaaah, hooraaah..
But.... I will say this.... I trust Bernie 100%.
Sick 'em dude !!!!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)1) No wonder the Hillarans were trying their damnedest on Christmas Eve to kill this story
in it's tracks, and miserably failed btw.
2) No wonder it was this guy Uretsky -- a DNC/NGP VAN plant -- who conducted the
breach, and used his position to instructe others to do so as well.
3) This is FAR from "over", as this amply illustrates.
4) Bernie has NOT "agreed to Kroll" as the "independent" auditor, contrary to what a bevy of
Hillarians' were emphatically insisting yesterday.
I KNEW there was much much more information that was going to come out about this, info
that would clearly point to this being a classic Rove-style set-up to try to discredit Sanders' integrity.
Thank you so much for this OP. It's helping greatly to make my Christmas even more merry. 
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)That could cause some major embarrassment-maybe worse to some DNC folks.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)to produce anything. Said she "was a court reporter" and knew about such things.
I know She's an avid Hillarian, so I took it with a grain of salt.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=945231
My sense is that the judge in the case could decide to expedite the process if they
so decreed, esp. given the gravity, time-sensitiveness and nation import of the case.
But bottom line I agree, it'll be interesting to see what new info discovery produces.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)to fight the system. That is why he is such a threat to them, and why we like him so much. There could not be a more perfect candidate for what this country needs right now.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)"Bernie is not afraid to fight the system." Bernie is running to be the President of that "system."
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)that instead of complaining about management- I should become a manager and then make the changes that I wanted to see.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)to his executive teams, i.e federal agencies within the executive branch
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)My point being- if you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem and don't just complain- act.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)then work with the legislative branch to get those policies enacted and funded. That's why the presidency is a leadership rather than a managerial position.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)The difference between managers and leaders (Presidents oversee executive functions). Managers manage tasks. [executive] Leaders manage strategy.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)and not a 'leadership' position. it may be popular and even historical to call the presidency a leadership position, however, it is more realistically a representative position.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)(and, ideally, NOT the corporations & their money.)
narcissists like to call it a leadership position. but candidates who intend to serve the electorate see the position as representative. in my view (sic) this is what america's forefathers intended.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)while some narcissists become leaders, there are a set of qualities associated with leadership.
The other misstatement you made was presidents representing the citizens who elected them. That's not true. When a president assumes the office he represents all citizens, both documented and undocumented.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)i do not have a phd in organizational management & leadership. primarily, be cause my preference is hands on, grassroots work. my leadership training is through various seminars in a government position, rural healthcare management, and in community development. i have no corporate background & do not perceive leadership from this perspective. i appreciate your response.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)and to get rid of the oligarchy and replace it with democracy. Sorry, everybody is not as disheartened as you and we will not let you take away our passion for a government run by the people for the people.
If you have not seen the party turn to the progressive views compatible with what Bernie, not Hillary, has been saying for years, then you have not been keeping up. Please catch up- vote your values, not your negativism, Go Bernie!
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)that means the same people who support candidate Bernie are really gonna have a hard time with a President Bernie.
Gman
(24,780 posts)yet.
They have a whole lot of nerve blaming the DNC for their own criminal activity. But then that's a Tried and true way to try to avoid criminal charges.
Doesn't always work.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I'm not sure what the truth is, but for someone doing the blaming, Bernie has a lot of balls. This is going to be interesting, but I really don't know how you can take your position. It's ok, we'll find out sooner or later. It sure is an interesting election cycle.
Gman
(24,780 posts)To me definitely the most interesting since 1968.
Bottom line, they accessed and queried data they knew full well they were not allowed to. And It wasn't just a query or two inadvertently. They did it for almost two hours. That's willful.
If nobody goes to jail it will only be because the HRC campaign fief my want somebody going to jail.
Ina lot of ways it's a lot like Watergate.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)There are too many strange things going on here. This guy knows better than to do what he did. And Going public the way they did.
Wow. I haven't had "entertainment" like this in ages.
I thought it was 40 minutes.
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)You are going to find there's a lot of hyperbole on the site.
Again, WELCOME!!!
thesquanderer
(13,012 posts)AFAIK, this is a civil (contract) issue, not a criminal one.
If you were to log into facebook and suddenly see confidential information on all your contacts, you would not have committed any crime. Even if you saved the information you saw.
I don't think any crime has been reported, nor anyone accused of criminal activity... so nothing anyone could go to jail for.
Gman
(24,780 posts)as its a lot less messy and controllable. Theft is a criminal matter. They accessed data they knew was prohibited. Took information that was not their's to take.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)concreteblue
(626 posts)Nobody "took information". The Shrillarie's intent on beating that dead horse at this point only shows the desperation and the depths to which they will stoop. If any laws were broken they would pounce to get Bernie out of the race. The reason she wants to "move on" is that discovery in this lawsuit will unearth some nasty business, maybe even criminal, on the part of the Hillary campaign and the DNC. But I understand. Shrilling is all you got.......
Gman
(24,780 posts)
murielm99
(32,989 posts)The repubbies wanted everyone to think that was a third rate burglary. Look where it led!
Some dork in the Sanders group had the nerve to say that the Clinton campaign had been caught with its drawers down. For something a Bernie staffer did!! LOL! That comment reminded me of what Mitchell said about Kathryn Graham getting her tit caught in a wringer. It took time, but we all know who was caught in a wringer. It wasn't Katie.
Keep squirming and squealing, bernistas. We know whose campaign was snooping, and it wasn't Hillary's.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)ad nauseam. It's almost as though some of HRC's supporters need to convince themselves it's true.
A video of HRC's "lies" has gone viral, yet not one of her supporters from this forum has discussed with me what we must do to prevent the Republicans from successfully derailing her campaign using these videos. If she wins the nomination (and, IMHO, that's a BIG if), we will have to contend with these and other issues, including the surveys that show that over 60% of those surveyed associate the word "liar" with HRC. That's just not going to garner support in the GE.
On the other hand, quite a number of people have become energized and engaged by Bernie Sanders' campaign. Senator Sanders has changed the political dialogue in our nation, and for that he has my undying gratitude. His awareness of the destructive and stultifying radical income inequity inflicted upon the vast Hoi Polloi by a handful of corporate hedonists (which for years has been a near constant concern for me and countless other US citizens, forced into marginalized existences by the corporate juggernaut) gives me hope that our nation can recover from this inequity, and provide a meaningful future for our younglings.
I consider this election the most critical one in my lifetime. Our younglings deserve a better future than the one we have thus far -- through action AND inaction -- bequeathed to them. I think Senator Sanders has a clear grasp of what needs to change, and I join the millions of other members of the vast Hoi Polloi in supporting him for our next President of these United States.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I trust Bernie to bring charges if the facts warrant after discovery.
Bring it.
cprise
(8,445 posts)When people have a record of reporting vulnerabilities, slapping them with charges is viewed by the IT industry as a cover-up tactic. Actively covering up vulnerabilities drives customers away. So, in addition to a massive credibility problem, the DNC would also be kicking some very long-time friends/cronies to the curb.
And that is why the vendor apologized emphatically to *both* the Clinton and Sanders campaigns.
Gman
(24,780 posts)That's all secondary to the fact that they accessed data they should have run from like the devil from holy watere and never run queries on.
cprise
(8,445 posts)They, they, they...what an obfuscating accusation.
Did you not read the OP? Is it not clear that Uretsky "was recommended to the campaign by people with links to the DNC," and that HE is the 'THEY' of whom you speak?
Desperation causes some truly pitiable reactions...
Broward
(1,976 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)he had suspicians that his campaign's data had been breached.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)SNOOP TO BERNIE'S CAMPAIGN?!?!
They effing planted a mole and you think Sander's folks face criminal charges? What criminal activity?
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)either a mole or an idiot.
I still want to know about the October "another system."
creeksneakers2
(8,016 posts)in one part of the article. Shortly thereafter it says: " According to the adviser, one of the references that Uretsky gave when he APPLIED TO WORK WITH THE CAMPAIGN was the DNC’s National Data Director Andrew Brown,"
So it appears that Uretsky used to work for NGP and the DNC and included them on his resume. He came to the Sanders campaign on his own. The Sanders campaign called for a reference and got a good one. There isn't anything unusual about that at all and it's very far fetched to think there was a conspiracy going on.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)Perfectly.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Keep pushing chief, I'm gonna let the discovery process take it's course and I have no issues with that.
Sounds like you do.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Doesn't really matter anyway. It'll be a moot point by the convention and Sanders endorses Hillary.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I'm excited too!
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Which federal crime?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie's campaign was allowed to have access to the information.
It was the NGP Van company that was responsible. They admitted they had a "bug" in a release of software that allowed Uretsky to query the information.
I think his queries really were aimed at determining the extent to which Hillary's data had been made available to Bernie's campaign.
We shall see what happens with this.
But it is horrible that the DNC went public and to the press with accusations against Bernie's campaign without first allowing Bernie's campaign to see the queries that Uretsky did and without telling Bernie's campaign what the DNC's allegations were. That is just not above-board at all. It's really dirty politics.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)When someone steals your TV, and hot on because you forgot to lock your door, you don't let the thief explain first. That's stupid.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)Just for the sake of your ridiculous argument, let's suppose someone "steals your TV."
Why would you call the PRESS? Is that who you call when someone "steals your TV"?
Gman
(24,780 posts)Seems to me the DNC did Sanders a favor by not calling law enforcement.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)If you're truly concerned that the Sanders campaign broke a law, then I suggest you do your civic duty and call the FBI.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I don't understand how this could have been defined as a criminal act.
NPG Van had a bug in their software that opened up access to Hillary's information to Uretzky. Uretzky queried to ascertain that Bernie's campaign had that access and to test the extent and specificity of the access.
NPG Van retained ownership of the data and was able to regain control and separate Hillary's and Bernie's data once it discovered and repaired its bug.
I am asking under what legal theory did Bernie's campaign commit a crime. I don't think it did. I don't know why people are claiming a crime was committed.
If you walk into your house and discover that Hillary's stuff is strewn all over it, you try to figure out what is hers and what is yours. You are not stealing Hillary's stuff if you make lists of what is hers. That's not stealing at all. I think the accusations by Hillary's supporters are outrageous. But maybe I'm wrong. If you can explain the legal theory behind your accusation, please do.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Ok. Maybe people don't understand how to query a database.
Suffice to say that in order to get to Hillary's stuff they had to specifically ask for Hillary's stuff. And it had to come from probably a completely different database than Sanders. So they had to ask for specific data from the Hillary database.
So they knew what they were doing, they knew they weren't allowed the data. And they did it and took it. That's theft.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)NPG Van on its blog on its website stated that there was a "bug" in one of their releases of data that permitted Bernie's campaign to see Hillary's data.
Nothing of importance was "stolen" according to NGP Van although Bernie's campaign queried for Hillary's information and created folders on the NGP Van website to hold the information.
When I personally looked at the searches that were made by Bernie's campaign, it looked like the searches were intended to verify that Hillary's information was available to Bernie's campaign and the extent and kinds of data available.
Bernie fired one of his employees. I suppose it was because Bernie thought the guy should have reported the breach that was caused by NPG Van's error or bug in its release.
Bernie's campaign did what I think was a very natural thing to try to leave evidence of the failure on the part of the database managers of the security of the candidates' data.
The breach lasted about one hour and 40 minutes I have been told.
The really bad thing, the thing that was injurious was Debbie Wasserman Schultz's rushing to the press with wild accusations that have excited Hillary's base -- to the point of hystery.
I created and used to work with a database many years ago.
The database that NPG Van maintains must be just huge. It would be impossible to really get enough information from it in less than 2 hours to do a campaign much good. And NPG Van has stated that only one page was exported or taken off the site.
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz made a mountain out of a molehilll at the expense of the Sanders campaign team.
I am utterly disgusted with her and want her to resign.
Gman
(24,780 posts)You have to actually get into the HRC stuff and query it. The bug is what did not prevent them from accessing the data. Then they had to construct a query probably with the GUI software that wrote the SQL that looked something like
SELECT {ALL_THE_GOOD_STUFF}
FROM {HILLARY'S_DATA}
It probably had some qualifiers in the query to get specific info. And the database runs the query and returns the results. They saved the results and now the Sanders campaign has a lot of HRC's critical info.
Screw the vender. The vender abd the bug are a distraction. That much is very clear. Again, what they did was steal info. They should have logged out and never touched HRC's info just because they could.
This is a classic example of what the right wing does with people who are ignorant and don't understand how stuff works.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I believe of the queries was taken away.
When you search on Google, the information stays on Google. You could copy it, but you don't remove it from Google. Google maintains a record of your searches. NGP Van had the record and has the record of all the searches made. There was no way to hide that they had been made and no effort to do so.
I'm sorry, but your understanding of what happened is simply wrong. If you work with very large databases you understand this. They could have printed stuff out, but there would be a record.
It's a little like using Quickbooks or one of the search engines. It's like a universe of information in itself.
The Sanders campaign would have had to take screen shots to avoid having NPD Van record its searches and be able to determine just what Sanders' campaign searched for.
I suspect but do not know and this is based on NPG Van's explanation that NPG Van released data with a bug in their program that allowed Sanders' team to see Hillary's data and probably the other way around (not for sure). The Sanders' team noticed that they got a little data from Hillary and probed to see whether that was true and how much and what kinds of data they were getting.
Beyond that, we need a independent investigation by a neutral investigator to figure out what happened.
But no. We can't say it was theft yet. We need an investigation. I strongly doubt that it was theft. Nothing was hacked. Check out the NPG Van blog on their website.
Gman
(24,780 posts)Doesn't matter in the long run to the campaigns. But he'll never work for Democrats again.
The GOP would love the guy.
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randome
(34,845 posts)No one in the Sanders campaign disputes what occurred. Only on DU is there a dispute about why it occurred.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Why do people think it was criminal?
I see it as at worst a breach of contract by NPG Van.
Bernie's campaign was given access to Hillary's data. They didn't hack into the database to get it. It was presented to them.
A lot of people don't understand how databases work.
I'm asking under what theory they are claiming any criminal act on the part of the Sanders campaign. I cannot see that at all.
randome
(34,845 posts)I just don't have a problem with the DNC making a public statement. Some (not saying you) seem to think that's another part of a grand conspiracy.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
gordyfl
(598 posts)Don't be surprised if the DNC writes out a check to the Sanders campaign to make this thing go away.
Gman
(24,780 posts)But he'll have to look elsewhere.
ejbr
(5,892 posts)Why can't you just admit that Bernie told this guy to take advantage of this breach? It's not like it would be the first time Bernie was underhanded...oh wait.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)want to know the truth. Not the laughable "truth" that was screamed high and wide by DWS and the DNC a day or two after the alleged breech. We want to know the REAL, un-contorted truth. And we want to hear it ALL before the primaries.
Since it's SO obvious that the DNC and Ms. DWS are gaming the system BIG time, I'd REVEL in seeing them crash and bern.
ValasHune
(38 posts)And now they're speechless..... This could get very very very ....VERY interesting.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Banks, beware
Wall St. beware
He's coming for you
zentrum
(9,870 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)About the "another system" in October quote. That should have been followed up. WHAT "another system"?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)I'm sure HRC's people will continue to Astroturf this, how it is all Bernie's fault (I learned a new word
)
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)and Bernie broke the frame. This is not going to go well for them.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)It is as if Debbie and the DNC is a subsiduary of the Clinon campaign.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)as often as I can to his campaign.
I am so sick and tired of the fucking bullshit games.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I believe he will exceed our expectations. How the future President will deal with difficult situations.
Kick ass and the some Bernie!!!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)WOW
No shit from anyone who deals in bad faith.
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts) You go Bernie! Fuck these guys!!MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)Since "Wasser" is German for "water"
Pharaoh
(8,209 posts)It's an Omen then!
Jarqui
(10,909 posts)they've got to take it to the next level soon
Either that or release the incriminating evidence they've got of their data being compromised last October about a week before Iowa.
The Clinton campaign and the DNC wanted to get down in the dirty mud ... well keep them there!
Just what Hilary needs .. another investigation of her campaign's suspicious behavior!
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)As you can tell, that quote has been bugging me.
Jarqui
(10,909 posts)on the DNC server.
The vendor for the "modeling" software is who reported the October security breach to the Sanders campaign who, in turn, reported it to the DNC. The breach was apparently cause not caused by the NGP VAN software - might have been a third application that caused it.
Some of my source for that is at the start of this video of the Sander campaign's first press conference on this:
where campaign manager Weaver mentions the modeling software company (not by name but by "modeling" as a type of software)
Some of it came from Josh Uretsky's MCNMS interview
http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/watch/fired-sanders-campaign-staffer-speaks-out-588356675888
- where he maintains the October breach came from elsewhere - not NGP VAN
- which was corroborated by NGP VAN's blog
http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy
Some of it came from subsequent media.
As campaign manager Weaver said in his press conference, they're "very confident" another campaign compromised the Sanders data last October. In light of that, it's hard to blame the Sanders campaign or Josh Uretsky for wanting to get to the bottom of it. The Clinton campaign may have accused the Sanders campaign of something they actually did ...
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,462 posts)Info like that can certainly lead to conspiracy theories.
But, at the very least, it should be pointed out that this wasn't some Sanders loyalist or insider. The guy only worked for the campaign for a couple months AND was there on the recommendation of of the DNC.
The idea that this guy was some sort of "plumber" working for Sanders is now beyond laughable.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)All I want is an independent audit. Whether my ideas are right or wrong, let the chips fall.
Segami
(14,923 posts) SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)as quickly as possible. I have my opinions, but am quite willing to let the chips fall.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)
pa28
(6,145 posts)Let's see if anybody else was hiding their own "integrity problem" and faking outrage the whole time.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)in her response to bernie's apology: "thank you for your comments." and, "we've agreed to an inquiry."
i guess the words "apology" and "audit" are too scary for hillary.
obfuscate much, hillary?
Karma13612
(4,982 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)the more that is revealed the stinkier this gets
Akamai
(1,779 posts)I don't know why it didn't, but it says there are problems with the website.
I tried twice but am not giving up!
Akamai
(1,779 posts)I hope no one else has been discouraged by difficulties with donating.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I'm tempted to go give more just to see.
Edited: No trouble getting to the initial page, so I'll just stick with my current monthly donation.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...they have a direct link to the ActBlue page you can use to donate. I've used it a few times, it has always worked for me (assuming the problem you experienced was at berniesanders.com or some other site).
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)
Renew Deal
(85,179 posts)
draa
(975 posts)I have no doubt Bernie meant his apology. That doesn't take away from the breach of contract Sanders alleges. That still has to be heard by a judge. Whether it goes any further is a different story and would ultimately depend on what the judge decides. (I think I read he'd given the DNC 3 weeks to reply (about 5 days ago) but I couldn't find the link Thursday when I searched so take that as you will). Thanks.
Uncle Joe
(65,163 posts)Thanks for the thread, Segami.
Beartracks
(14,609 posts).... Hillary's data, couldn't Hillary's team access Sanders'?
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Vinca
(54,002 posts)It seems the data breach guy came highly recommended by the DNC and their consultants, Bernie didn't go out searching to fill the position and accidently stumble upon him. All things considered, if this guy discovered the data breach, as he claims, he would have had the knowledge and common sense not to download information to the Sanders campaign. It's very fishy.
weknowvino2
(62 posts)Suddenly I'm getting emails from HRC, thanking me for my support & asking for $$.
Dec 22, Dec 23 & Dec 24. I have NEVER supported HRC or the DNC.
So-o-o-o, How did they end up getting my email address & assuming my support??
This is so stinky, I smell a Rove.
Beartracks
(14,609 posts)I just find it odd that the firewall goes down and everyone can access everyone's information, yet the focus has only been, "What did the Sanders team access?" There was so much hubbub about what his staff was or was not doing, stoked by Team Hillary's finger-pointing, that I haven't seen anything regarding what Team Hillary was doing during the breach.
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Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I have never supported HRC NEVER....and I have even unsubcribed from several Dem (like the Human Rights Campaign when they asked me to support HRC...and now they are hitting me up? They can bite me!
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)All I have to do is send a buck in and my donation will hire someone on the ground in Iowa.
Their people must work awful cheap.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)What did the Clinton campaign do with the data they took from Sanders on one of the several occasions when the firewall was down?
gordyfl
(598 posts)Hillary at the ABC Debate: "And so, now that, I think, you know, we have resolved your data, we have agreed on an independent inquiry, we should move on. Because I don't think the American people are all that interested in this."
So she thinks...
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
Proserpina
(2,352 posts) gordyfl
(598 posts)Ex-Obama adviser David Axelrod: DNC appears to be 'putting finger on scale' for Clinton
George II
(67,782 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts) raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Unlimited corporate and Wall Street money, manipulation by the media, election fraud and within the DNC...
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)supports the corporate back candidate over the People's candidate proves it. The Party is clearly split between the Progressive Wing that represents the People and the Corporate Wing that represents big money. And you want to call the Wing of the Party that represents the People DINO's. The DINO's are those that stand with Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street and agree with the Republicons most of the time.
This is a class war and Goldman-Sachs and their political puppets are not on the side of the 99%.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)One cannot be a Democrat and disagree with the basic notion that the Democratic Party, as a whole, is defined by the DNC.
In fact, arguing that the DNC is not Democratic fits the very definition of "Democrat In Name Only".
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)or how the party functions.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)I'd have to suggest the only DINO involved in this conversation would be you.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)We've been down this road, our party leadership doesn't always lead the way. 
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The majority of Democrats who vote do NOT disagree with them.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)It's happened in the past, what if it happens again. What happens to your premise? 
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)In fact, every indication is that Democrats favor the positions of the party leadership by a ratio of at least 2 to 1.
Those in the minority are very reminiscent of the Tea Party in the GOP in 2008. Loud, but ineffective and out of step with the vast majority of the nation.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Link? In regards breaking up the banks, reinstating Glass Steagall, in short the ways Sanders differs from Clinton?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Your vast majority of those who vote delivered the Senate to the Republicans in the last election. That does not make a strong argument for the excellence of the leadership nor for the consistency and sufficiency of this cohort you are part of. What State are you in?
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)In a vain and selfish attempt to "teach Obama a lesson" over their perception that Obama was a "traitor to the progressive movement" even though Barack Obama is the most liberal president in US history.
This allowed Republicans to take over multiple states and control redistricting.
Democrats were always going to lose the Senate in 2014 due to the fact that the far left always sits out midterms.
This is why the far left is considered an unreliable wing of the Democratic Party, unlike the far right in the Republican Party which always shows up for midterms.
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Am I understanding from your post that progressive Democrats are not welcome here? You only allow those that blindly follow the DWS party of the DNC?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)care if we all know it. The Oligarchy will do everything, legal or illegal to win. The supper wealthy don't like to lose especially to the People. The DNC is Democrat in Name Only. They don't care a lick about the 99%.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)In fact, the DNC represents those who are active within the Democratic Party and those who are fighting it are Democrats In Name Only due to the fact that they were not active within the party when the current leadership was democratically chosen by those who were active within the party at the time.
Did you attend your state Democratic Party convention in 2012 and express your opinion as to the party leadership?
I did. The DNC represents the wishes and values of REAL Democrats, and now the DINOs complain about it.
This is similar to how people who refuse to vote complain about the results of elections.
BTW, it's a conspiracy theory woo myth that there are Oligarchs in the US.
Gothmog
(179,958 posts)Have you ever voted on an election for someone to be on the Democratic National Committee? I have been to three state conventions and the process for getting someone elected to the DNC is very competitive and is not controlled by anyone but the people who are active in the party. The three DNC members I know are grass roots types who have been active in the party for a long time. One of these DNC members claims to have set the record for registering the most naked people in Austin between one AM and dawn and I believe him. The concept that anyone would consider him a corporate hack makes me laugh.
If you have not worked within the party, it is difficult to make claims about who are members of the DNC.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)of gold. The leadership doesn't represent the grassroots Democrats and it's time to throw them out. Some people love the oligarchy. They want the promise of warm security and are willing to let the 99% slide into poverty. I have news for them, the Oligarchy doesn't love them.
Gothmog
(179,958 posts)The only way to change things is by actually being involved. State conventions are fun and I am considering trying for a slot to the national convention.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)A Socialist becomes a DINO and attracts followers who have no clue what the Democratic Party is all about who then go on to call all of the real Democrats "DINOs" while ignoring the fact that the followers of the Socialist turned DINO are the only DINOs involved in the internal Democratic Party processes.
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MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Your rejection of that truth demonstrates how far from truly Democratic values you have strayed.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Seems like a petty reason to alert. I likely would not have alerted on Elmer's post either.
Eta....it was just made clear to me that Elmer did call Mok a liar. Not sure how I missed that before. It was a good hide. I misjudged the jury in this case.
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My post was 100% truthful and accurate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=947780
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
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If you hid my post right above the post I'm alerting on, you should have to hid this one too! This place is getting nuts!
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 26, 2015, 05:42 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: How is this post over the top? Posts aren't hidden based on your emotional feelings.
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Explanation: Stop....just stop with the assinine alerts
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Babel_17
(5,400 posts)People avoid posting in a thread so they can be part of the jury for it. Afaik that's one way for a faction to game the system. There are other, less obvious ways. Creating bogus alerts so that your faction can avoid serving on the resulting juries and thus depleting the jury pool for alerts you do want to serve on.
Or whatever. It's just terrible for the sense of community if there's gaming the system going on. And of course all sides eventually give in to it, to a lesser or greater degree. The only cure is for a determined bunch to refuse to sink to that level. That's the start.
onecent
(6,096 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I am surprised the party hasn't just decided to ask you who should be our candidate and forgo the primary altogether.
By the way, I don't think chasing Democrats out of the party is a really useful strategy.
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Docreed2003
(18,714 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)"the followers of the Socialist turned DINO are the only DINOs involved in the internal Democratic Party processes."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That identifies the sub-set of followers to which the poster refers.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)"A Socialist becomes a DINO and attracts followers who have no clue what the Democratic Party is all about who then go on to call all of the real Democrats "DINOs" while ignoring the fact that the followers of the Socialist turned DINO are the only DINOs involved in the internal Democratic Party processes."
Where's the qualifier?
"the followers of the Socialist turned DINO are the only DINOs involved in the internal Democratic Party processes." stands for itself.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Make themselves out to be a victim ... at least I hope to never understand.
For your benefit ... he qualifier starts right after "and attracts".
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Not much of a qualifier at all, which is why I said "only very strongly suggests" in the earlier post. A real qualifier is easy enough to include. We all do it, and quite often, when posting at DU. "Some", "A few", " A small percentage", "but not all", come to mind.
For my part, I'm dismayed by the constant deflection from the issues at hand.
Lol, but I do understand it. Different people react in different ways when they've got a losing hand to play. Maybe it's just about cold blooded tactics. I see posting in a forum as being personal, and not dispassionate warfare.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,784 posts)is all about?
You're telling me Bernie's followers -- that would include me -- "have no clue what the Democratic Party is all about," so I guess I'm missing something. Can you fill me in?
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)If they tried, the resulting ridicule would be overwhelming and extremely embarrassing to them.
freedom fighter jh
(1,784 posts)I thought just asking the question was enough to point out how ridiculous it is for them to say we don't know what the Democratic Party is about.
SunSeeker
(58,285 posts) whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)to clean up any spittle after yourself.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)
We NEED to know. I'm glad that Bernie is NOT giving up on the Law suit
40RatRod
(566 posts)...something I would expect from Fox News.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Until we get an independent investigation it will stay that way. I wonder if that's why DWS is fighting against having one?
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Indydem
(2,642 posts)He wants access to millions of user profiles, compiled over decades by Democratic Party loyalists.
He wants to utilize Democratic Party infrastructure paid for by decades of Democratic nominees.
He wants to use NGP-VAN, a Democratic Party vendor and staffed by Democratic Party loyalists.
He wants to seek a recommendation of staffing from the Democratic Party, and actually get a name.
And yet, he has contributed precisely zero effort or money to the Democratic Party. His supporters scream that the party is corrupt and all these party loyalists are just Hillary plants.
In the mean time, his supporters are literally trying to tear the party apart by refusing to contribute to the party, demanding the head of the party by fired in the middle of a presidential election, and threatening to vote for an independent rather than the party nominee.
If Bernie was a legitimate candidate for president, he would run third party, develop his own voter lists and staff. He wouldn't need the DNC if everything his supporters say about him is true. If you don't need the party's money - then why participate in the Party?
Sanders is a liar. Acting in bad faith. He is not a Democrat, and is going to set the party back 20 years if he wins the nomination.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Indydem
(2,642 posts)If the Democratic Party had done the right thing and said "Hey Mr. I-VT, why don't you contact the democratic socialist party and get their voter database. You are not a Democrat and have no business here."
Instead, they've given him access to the database that he never helped build and won't be contributing much to now.
If Sanders runs third party now he's going to show his true colors. If a bunch of DU members run after him, then they will show theirs too. Likewise, those in the Democratic Party that support third party I-VT Bernard, can find themselves out in the cold too.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)His campaign has been pouring tons of NEW information and contacts into that
database since the start of his campaign; which is probably a big reason Debbie
agreed for him to run in the Dem primary, so the DNC could co-opt all that new
information, while accusing Bernie of "stealing Clinton data". Which is why many
Bernie supporters on DU report suddenly getting DNC and/or HRC fund-raising
emails ever since this DataGate flap hit the news.
dragonlady
(3,577 posts)I've been a member of the Democratic Party for years, a party officer and campaign treasurer, a veteran of many lit drops and phone banks. I don't recall being asked my opinions on any candidate or issue before getting my membership card. One thing I've noticed about the party is its desire to grow the membership. In years past we have prided ourselves on being the party of the "big tent." In my opinion, Bernie Sanders is appealing to many citizens who have been disgusted with politics as usual, and his candidacy will cause a huge net gain in party membership. This is a bad thing?
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Bernie is still I-VT.
If he wants to be a Democrat, he should have thought of that long ago.
Part of being part of a party is contributing to it. Part of your re-election coffers support the party. You have your staff help the party. You help the party whenever and however you can for the betterment of the whole. (Sounds kind of Democratic socialist eh?)
Instead he's never contributed time, money, or resources to the Democratic Party. To the contrary, he's said some pretty nasty things about the party over the years and has actively worked against candidates in some races.
Instead, he shows up now, wanting access to the party's voter database, names of staff to hire, and wants to plug into the party resources. Then, when the people in the party turn out to be lifelong Democrats with a history of serving Democrats, he and his followers get all pissed off that there aren't enough independents in the DNC. Really? It's a party for Democrats, not Independents.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)He's advocating for :
Equal pay for women
Higher minimum wage
Bust up the BIG banks
Hold Wall Street accountable
Single payer health care
etc
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)Indydem
(2,642 posts)He's a pariah in the very body in which he serves. He can't get legislation through committee as it stands, but if we make him the President, he will suddenly be able to get all his socialist agenda through a house and senate that are opposed to him and his policies?
How?
Oh right. Magic wands and unicorns. I keep forgetting.
SunSeeker
(58,285 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)OMG !
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)I don't see anyone complaining about Charlie Crist or any other number of Dems that were former Republicans.
That rationale is a TOTAL PILE OF SHIT! All these Ex Repubs are regarded as "Good Democrats" ... IF They win.
Bernie has espoused Democratic Progressive Values and Policies for 50 years... and some HillBill supporters criticize him?
Bernie has been way more of A Democrat than a majority of long term Democratic office holders. So STFU!
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Why is his affiliation as a senator still I-VT?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)According to the Sanders adviser, the DNC and NGP VAN, a firm that has a contract with the party organization to operate a voter file, have responded to the data breach by “leaking information” and “stonewalling an investigation” into the matter.
“We have demanded a full investigation from top to bottom,” the Sanders adviser said.
AND
The top Sanders adviser told Yahoo News one of the remaining concerns is that Uretsky was recommended to the campaign by people with ties to the DNC and NGP VAN. “It’s not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual … who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN,” the adviser said. According to the adviser, one of the references that Uretsky gave when he applied to work with the campaign was the DNC’s National Data Director Andrew Brown, who works closely with the shared voter file program. “Andrew Brown spoke to us and gave him a positive review, as did this guy Bryan Whitaker,” the adviser said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=946750
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Inquiring minds would like to know.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)P.S. When does my ballot come to vote for the next chairperson? Roughly the same time they vote for the next monarch, perhaps.
Historic NY
(40,045 posts)He's probably the same conspiracy theorist that has been on twitter....
Hillary Clinton is the one that should ask for a Justice Dept investigation since it was her files that were pilfered.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/22/bernie-s/Sanders-take-Clinton-voter-data/
treestar
(82,383 posts)they would be better off using that energy to canvass for Bernie.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Playinghardball
(11,665 posts)She if she get any speaking engagements from Wall Street after the elections...
bvar22
(39,909 posts)and fired the low level staffers involved.
Why is Hillary and the DNC and sandbagging?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)even published journalists and researchers; they're the ones hitting the ground and broadening their Asshole Uncles' political and economic perspectives, trying to break the hardest-shelled rightie out of the cliches they navigate the world with
(this is in response to the ironically-hidden http://www.democraticunderground.com/128090263)
George II
(67,782 posts)I'm not a Sanders supporter, I've never signed up on their website, and they should not have my email address.
The data breach took place on Wednesday, December 16.
Quite "coincidentally", starting on December 18 I started getting emails from the Sanders campaign in the names of Charles Chamberlain (2), Eden James (2), Jim Dean (1), Robert Reich (3), and Bernie Sanders "himself" (2). In barely a week I've now gotten TEN emails, all promoting Sanders and asking for money.
Now just how did that happen?
Here is part of one of the messages from "Sanders":
From: "Bernie Sanders" <info@democracyforamerica.com>
To:"George XXXXX" <XXXXX@XXXX.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 22, 2015 01:19 PM
If you haven't seen it already, please take a moment to read the gracious and stirring "thank you" note Bernie Sanders sent to you on Sunday, after learning about the record-breaking endorsement DFA members gave his campaign. We're proud to be a part of Bernie's political revolution, and we're looking forward to doing everything we can to amplify and empower this movement in 2016.
If you are inspired by Bernie's message below, can you pitch in $3 or more now to support his campaign -- and to make sure DFA has the resources we need to help him win? Thank you for your timely help at this critical moment, just weeks before voters go to the polls. - Eden James, Political Director, Democracy for America
George --
A successful national campaign is a massive undertaking, especially when we will be heavily outspent. It will require the active participation of millions of Americans in every community in our country.
In fact, as I talked about in last night’s presidential debate, it will require nothing less than a political revolution which combats the demoralization and alienation of so many of our people from the political process.
But if you listen to the Sanders spokespeople they're tell the world that they don't have any data taken from the Clinton database and if they did they wouldn't use it.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)All that stuff is in the party database that both sides have drawn from.
It is compiled from decades of Democratic candidates contributing information on interested parties, donors, and volunteers.
Bernie got access to all of that because he said "I'm a Democrat now, give me access to all the data."
George II
(67,782 posts)....several donations.
When I donated to Obama's two campaigns several years ago, I used a different email address. I haven't gotten and Bernie spam / junk mail at that address.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)A congressional race perhaps?
Don't know exactly how it works. Even current year info may be available.
George II
(67,782 posts)....it just started a day or two after the innocent "breach".
Indydem
(2,642 posts)I don't know why I'm trying to make excuses for Mr. (I-VT).
gordyfl
(598 posts)Bernie and his supporters might help the Democratic move in the right direction. It's not always good to just "fall in line".
Remember, political parties always evolve. Think Dixiecrats. Teddy Roosevelt Republicans.
red dog 1
(33,080 posts)DWS has to go!
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Sanders will have two chances to address this on Sunday morning. If he thinks there is some sort of conspiracy in place such as the YAHOO writer suggested then he can discuss it then. I'm sure Larry and Moe will find a way to bring it up, and try and twist it to Sanders' detriment.